'America Was Never That Great’

[bripat9643]

What would Europe look like today had the United States totally withdrawn from Europe following victory in WW2? Even today, if the United States withdrew all military support from Europe, could they maintain their socialist programs? Would Europe even be able to hold together at all? Would Europe face war again?

The United States was and is great. Not perfect, but definitely great. The existence of these critics is proof of America's greatness. It has been so long since the United States has faced a true enemy, that people have forgotten what that is actually like. Take a typical High School grad. They know the basics about Hitler. But, most have no idea who Stalin and Mao were or what they did, nor do they care. That is history from the last hundred years, not ancient Greece.

Think about it this way. I would speculate that most people believe the United States will exist forever and will never be confronted and defeated by a foreign power. Unfortunately, many take America's greatness for granted and would only realize how fortunate we are if that greatness is threatened.

I don't believe the US will last another 50 years.

45 will destroy it was before then.

How, by repealing all Obama's regulations?

 

[Reasonable]

Interestingly those countries also have socialist healthcare.

Healthcare in Japan is not socialist.

It is government regulated but privately provided. Like Fascist Care, it is mandatory.

https://yosida.com/forms/nationalins.pdf

The government oays 70% of the cost.
Health care system in Japan - Wikipedia

Our government pays 50% of the cost of healthcare. Not a significant difference.

So how's Trumpcare working out?

" Vote for me and we'll have affordable healthcare and everyone will be covered."

Just another of his 4,229 lies.

It was 2 years into the Obama administration before he got his health care signed into law so.. .

When's the last time you heard 45 even-mentioned healthcare?
He hates talking about his failures and there's nothing brewing on healthcare in the GOP Congress.

 

[Nosmo King]

"We have not reached greatness," he said. "We will reach greatness when every American is fully engaged. We will reach greatness when discrimination and stereotyping against women, 51 percent of our population, is gone, and every woman's full potential is realized and unleashed, and every woman is making her full contribution."

A more perfect union.

Please point out any discrimination against women that doesn't have consequences ?

Each and every example of discrimination against any American has consequences. Freedom only works when freedom works for everyone.

Bullshit. Furthermore, discrimination is an essential feature of freedom. If you aren't allowed to discriminate, then your freedom of choice and your freedom of association is eliminated.

So you believe there must be a second tier of citizen who deserves to be treated as such. And you call that essential to freedom.

No one said anything about "tiers." If I want to throw leftwing scumbags out of my restaurant, that is my right. If a black person wants to have a night club for black people only, that should be his right. That's called "freedom of association." It's an act of discrimination.

No one disputes your personal right to be an asshole. You freely exercise that right every day right here at USMB. But the state must never sanction discrimination in any form.

 

[bripat9643]

It serves the purpose of some to conflate the two.

That's my guess. But talk radio makes no distinction, so I wonder if they're just not exposed to the difference. It's a terribly binary universe.
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/——/ democRAT socialists don’t have to fund their national security. We do. They can afford the socialism.

Since I have no idea what your particular definition of "socialism" is, or to what you compare it, I have no idea what that means.
.

/——/ as outlined by the other poster Venezuela vs Europe

Great. What the Left wants is a Euro-social democracy.

So you don't have to worry about real socialism now.
.

The next step after "Euro social democracy" is communism, and don't think they won't start pushing for it.

 

[Reasonable]

What would Europe look like today had the United States totally withdrawn from Europe following victory in WW2? Even today, if the United States withdrew all military support from Europe, could they maintain their socialist programs? Would Europe even be able to hold together at all? Would Europe face war again?

The United States was and is great. Not perfect, but definitely great. The existence of these critics is proof of America's greatness. It has been so long since the United States has faced a true enemy, that people have forgotten what that is actually like. Take a typical High School grad. They know the basics about Hitler. But, most have no idea who Stalin and Mao were or what they did, nor do they care. That is history from the last hundred years, not ancient Greece.

Think about it this way. I would speculate that most people believe the United States will exist forever and will never be confronted and defeated by a foreign power. Unfortunately, many take America's greatness for granted and would only realize how fortunate we are if that greatness is threatened.

I don't believe the US will last another 50 years.

45 will destroy it was before then.

How, by repealing all Obama's regulations so what's left is exactly what we had in 2008?

mental patient doesn't know the word regulation is a synonym for " protection."

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Healthcare in Japan is not socialist.

It is government regulated but privately provided. Like Fascist Care, it is mandatory.

https://yosida.com/forms/nationalins.pdf

The government oays 70% of the cost.
Health care system in Japan - Wikipedia

Our government pays 50% of the cost of healthcare. Not a significant difference.

So how's Trumpcare working out?

" Vote for me and we'll have affordable healthcare and everyone will be covered."

Just another of his 4,229 lies.

It was 2 years into the Obama administration before he got his health care signed into law so.. .

When's the last time you heard 45 even-mentioned healthcare?
He hates talking about his failures and there's nothing brewing on healthcare in the GOP Congress.

Government run health care which all you lefty loons will except will always be a failure.

 

[bripat9643]

Please point out any discrimination against women that doesn't have consequences ?

Each and every example of discrimination against any American has consequences. Freedom only works when freedom works for everyone.

Bullshit. Furthermore, discrimination is an essential feature of freedom. If you aren't allowed to discriminate, then your freedom of choice and your freedom of association is eliminated.

So you believe there must be a second tier of citizen who deserves to be treated as such. And you call that essential to freedom.

No one said anything about "tiers." If I want to throw leftwing scumbags out of my restaurant, that is my right. If a black person wants to have a night club for black people only, that should be his right. That's called "freedom of association." It's an act of discrimination.

No one disputes your personal right to be an asshole. You freely exercise that right every day right here at USMB. But the state must never sanction discrimination in any form.

Wrong, asshole. The Constitution sanctions discrimination. The right to discriminate is a fundamental aspect of freedom. The government can't be allowed to discriminate, but it's an inherent right of every human.

 

[bripat9643]

What would Europe look like today had the United States totally withdrawn from Europe following victory in WW2? Even today, if the United States withdrew all military support from Europe, could they maintain their socialist programs? Would Europe even be able to hold together at all? Would Europe face war again?

The United States was and is great. Not perfect, but definitely great. The existence of these critics is proof of America's greatness. It has been so long since the United States has faced a true enemy, that people have forgotten what that is actually like. Take a typical High School grad. They know the basics about Hitler. But, most have no idea who Stalin and Mao were or what they did, nor do they care. That is history from the last hundred years, not ancient Greece.

Think about it this way. I would speculate that most people believe the United States will exist forever and will never be confronted and defeated by a foreign power. Unfortunately, many take America's greatness for granted and would only realize how fortunate we are if that greatness is threatened.

I don't believe the US will last another 50 years.

45 will destroy it was before then.

How, by repealing all Obama's regulations so what's left is exactly what we had in 2008?

mental patient doesn't know the word regulation is a synonym for " protection."

It's a synonym for corruption.

 

[Reasonable]

That's my guess. But talk radio makes no distinction, so I wonder if they're just not exposed to the difference. It's a terribly binary universe.
.

/——/ democRAT socialists don’t have to fund their national security. We do. They can afford the socialism.

Since I have no idea what your particular definition of "socialism" is, or to what you compare it, I have no idea what that means.
.

/——/ as outlined by the other poster Venezuela vs Europe

Great. What the Left wants is a Euro-social democracy.

So you don't have to worry about real socialism now.
.

The next step after "Euro social democracy" is communism, and don't think they won't start pushing for it.

Naaaaaa we're on the fast track to fascism under this POS prez. Funny you haven't noticed.

I asked 5 fascism experts whether Donald Trump is a fascist. Here's what they said.

 

[bripat9643]

Cuomo's spoiled rich ass owes everything to America. I swear, i can't stand pompous Limousine Liberal wankers.

Idiot forgets there’s no bigger spoiled rich ass than the thin skinned whiny little bitch pussygrabber.

Obviously you SHOULDN’T be able to stand your fuhrer but since you know you’ll never have another white supremacist prez again you’ll hold onto this one.

Trump doesn't prance around saying rich people are evil and that the government needs to confiscate their money.

 

[Reasonable]

What would Europe look like today had the United States totally withdrawn from Europe following victory in WW2? Even today, if the United States withdrew all military support from Europe, could they maintain their socialist programs? Would Europe even be able to hold together at all? Would Europe face war again?

The United States was and is great. Not perfect, but definitely great. The existence of these critics is proof of America's greatness. It has been so long since the United States has faced a true enemy, that people have forgotten what that is actually like. Take a typical High School grad. They know the basics about Hitler. But, most have no idea who Stalin and Mao were or what they did, nor do they care. That is history from the last hundred years, not ancient Greece.

Think about it this way. I would speculate that most people believe the United States will exist forever and will never be confronted and defeated by a foreign power. Unfortunately, many take America's greatness for granted and would only realize how fortunate we are if that greatness is threatened.

I don't believe the US will last another 50 years.

45 will destroy it was before then.

How, by repealing all Obama's regulations so what's left is exactly what we had in 2008?

mental patient doesn't know the word regulation is a synonym for " protection."

It's a synonym for corruption.

I can never tell whether your a liar or just stupid.
So regulations in the meat packing industry to make sure you don't eat tainted meat is " corruption?"

 

[bripat9643]

/——/ democRAT socialists don’t have to fund their national security. We do. They can afford the socialism.

Since I have no idea what your particular definition of "socialism" is, or to what you compare it, I have no idea what that means.
.

/——/ as outlined by the other poster Venezuela vs Europe

Great. What the Left wants is a Euro-social democracy.

So you don't have to worry about real socialism now.
.

The next step after "Euro social democracy" is communism, and don't think they won't start pushing for it.

Naaaaaa we're on the fast track to fascism under this POS prez. Funny you haven't noticed.

I asked 5 fascism experts whether Donald Trump is a fascist. Here's what they said.

Fascism is what morons like you have been pushing for the last 100 years. What do you believe a heavily regulated economy is?

 

[Reasonable]

Cuomo's spoiled rich ass owes everything to America. I swear, i can't stand pompous Limousine Liberal wankers.

Idiot forgets there’s no bigger spoiled rich ass than the thin skinned whiny little bitch pussygrabber.

Obviously you SHOULDN’T be able to stand your fuhrer but since you know you’ll never have another white supremacist prez again you’ll hold onto this one.

Trump doesn't prance around saying rich people are evil and that the government needs to confiscate their money.

He goes around admiring dictators who don't have to answer to the people or ever have to step down.
Hasn't Fox told you that?

 

[Reasonable]

I don't believe the US will last another 50 years.

45 will destroy it was before then.

How, by repealing all Obama's regulations so what's left is exactly what we had in 2008?

mental patient doesn't know the word regulation is a synonym for " protection."

It's a synonym for corruption.

I can never tell whether your a liar or just stupid.
So regulations in the meat packing industry to make sure you don't eat tainted meat is " corruption?"

Notice the mental patient couldn't ever address me proving him wrong.
Same ole

 

[Reasonable]

Since I have no idea what your particular definition of "socialism" is, or to what you compare it, I have no idea what that means.
.

/——/ as outlined by the other poster Venezuela vs Europe

Great. What the Left wants is a Euro-social democracy.

So you don't have to worry about real socialism now.
.

The next step after "Euro social democracy" is communism, and don't think they won't start pushing for it.

Naaaaaa we're on the fast track to fascism under this POS prez. Funny you haven't noticed.

I asked 5 fascism experts whether Donald Trump is a fascist. Here's what they said.

Fascism is what morons like you have been pushing for the last 100 years. What do you believe a heavily regulated economy is?

My side has ALWAYS believed in democracy. Your fascist prez has us on the road to totalitarian rule and that's not just hyperbole.
Way to ignore my PROOF I just presented.
Same ole.

 

[bripat9643]

I don't believe the US will last another 50 years.

45 will destroy it was before then.

How, by repealing all Obama's regulations so what's left is exactly what we had in 2008?

mental patient doesn't know the word regulation is a synonym for " protection."

It's a synonym for corruption.

I can never tell whether your a liar or just stupid.
So regulations in the meat packing industry to make sure you don't eat tainted meat is " corruption?"

Yes. In the first place, they were passed based on a big fat lie. "The jungle" was a work of fiction. Sinclair Lewis never visited the inside of a meat packing plant.

Meat Packing Lies: Exposing The Fiction Of Upton Sinclair’s The Jungle

“The Jungle” is a pure work of fiction. It has absolutely no basis in reality. A 1906 report by the Bureau of Animal Industry refuted Sinclair’s severest allegations, characterizing them as “intentionally misleading and false,” “willful and deliberate misrepresentations of fact,” and “utter absurdity.” Quoting Mr. Crumpacker on Sinclair’s allegations of diseased meats, “the chief inspector said there was not a single animal that went into the slaughterhouses that was not inspected before it went on foot; and if one was diseased, had a lumpy jaw, or appeared to be out of condition, he was separated, and then a skilled veterinarian made a thorough examination of that animal after the rest had been passed; and then they had inspection on the inside.”

The truth of the matter is that the large corporate meat packers had been lobbying for federal inspection mandates decades prior to Sinclair’s novel. There were several reasons why the large producers, like Cudahy, Armour and Swift, wanted federally mandated inspections. The major reasons were:

1. Government inspections added a large fixed operating cost to producers due to the administrative overhead. While this may sound counter-intuitive, this effectively serves as a large barrier to entry into the meat packing business. The smaller packers do not have the economy of scale to be able to absorb this fixed cost so they end up being run out of business by the large producers because the small guys necessarily need to raise the price of their meat higher to account for the additional fixed compliance costs.

2. The Europeans at the time had begun barring meat imports to protect their own meat producers profits under the guise of preventing “diseased meat” from being imported. So the Europeans were requiring that imported meats undergo an inspection process. Thus, the US meat packers had to have their meat inspected anyways by private inspectors if they wanted to be able to export their meat. By lobbying the US government to inspect their meat, the US large meat packers could pass some of the cost of this inspection process, that had to happen anyways, on to the tax payers. This served to socialize some of the inspection costs for the large US meat exporters, while simultaneously driving up the fixed compliance costs for smaller producers.

Since the smaller producers did not generally engage in export, they didn’t bother to have their meat inspected – thus, the smaller producers were able to compete with large producers in local markets. By forcing all meat packers to undergo inspection, the government basically ran the small meat packing operations out of business.

3. The inspection seal effectively serves as a fantastic marketing gimmick. It provides a false sense of security to US consumers and legitimizes the meat processed as being approved by the US government. Jonathan Ogden Armour, President of Armour and Company, one of the largest meat packing corporations in America, wrote the following in a March 1906 Saturday Evening Post article:​

 

[bripat9643]

/——/ as outlined by the other poster Venezuela vs Europe

Great. What the Left wants is a Euro-social democracy.

So you don't have to worry about real socialism now.
.

The next step after "Euro social democracy" is communism, and don't think they won't start pushing for it.

Naaaaaa we're on the fast track to fascism under this POS prez. Funny you haven't noticed.

I asked 5 fascism experts whether Donald Trump is a fascist. Here's what they said.

Fascism is what morons like you have been pushing for the last 100 years. What do you believe a heavily regulated economy is?

My side has ALWAYS believed in democracy. Your fascist prez has us on the road to totalitarian rule and that's not just hyperbole.
Way to ignore my PROOF I just presented.
Same ole.

Yeah, you believe in democracy. That's why you're trying to stage a coup against a lawfully elected president.

Your side is a vast fountain of horseshit.

 

[bripat9643]

45 will destroy it was before then.

How, by repealing all Obama's regulations so what's left is exactly what we had in 2008?

mental patient doesn't know the word regulation is a synonym for " protection."

It's a synonym for corruption.

I can never tell whether your a liar or just stupid.
So regulations in the meat packing industry to make sure you don't eat tainted meat is " corruption?"

Notice the mental patient couldn't ever address me proving him wrong.
Same ole

Notice that the big fat idiot stuck his great big foot in his mouth only seconds after posting his idiot question.

 

[bripat9643]

/——/ democRAT socialists don’t have to fund their national security. We do. They can afford the socialism.

Since I have no idea what your particular definition of "socialism" is, or to what you compare it, I have no idea what that means.
.

/——/ as outlined by the other poster Venezuela vs Europe

Great. What the Left wants is a Euro-social democracy.

So you don't have to worry about real socialism now.
.

The next step after "Euro social democracy" is communism, and don't think they won't start pushing for it.

Naaaaaa we're on the fast track to fascism under this POS prez. Funny you haven't noticed.

I asked 5 fascism experts whether Donald Trump is a fascist. Here's what they said.

Who says they're "experts" other than a bunch of partisan hacks like you?

 

[Doc1]

45 will destroy it was before then.

How, by repealing all Obama's regulations so what's left is exactly what we had in 2008?

mental patient doesn't know the word regulation is a synonym for " protection."

It's a synonym for corruption.

I can never tell whether your a liar or just stupid.
So regulations in the meat packing industry to make sure you don't eat tainted meat is " corruption?"

Notice the mental patient couldn't ever address me proving him wrong.
Same ole

Do you advocate violence to remove Rump?