America: “You have the RIGHT to an attorney”.....but not a doctor right guys?

[pknopp]

I don't think so. The Democrat party isn't going for it.

Doesn't matter.

70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all—here's how single-payer could affect you

that entire article is a lie from a far left website. To claim that 70% of americans support socialistic medicine is total bullshit.

Sure, we would all like to get medical care "free". But that is impossible. Someone has to pay and if you turn it over to the government everyone will pay through much higher taxes and the quality of care will go down significantly.

Exactly. The left lies.

I am pro-life. I fully support the 2nd Amendment. I believe we need a balanced budget amendment. But I'm "left" because I believe that a country founded on Christian ideas should see that everyone in the country can access affordable health care when they need to?

Government run healthcare isn't a Christian concept.

Come up with a better way to make sure everyone can access affordable health care when needed and I'll listen. Still waiting on Trump's plan he had ready to go that everyone was going to love.

 

[BS Filter]

Doesn't matter.

70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all—here's how single-payer could affect you

that entire article is a lie from a far left website. To claim that 70% of americans support socialistic medicine is total bullshit.

Sure, we would all like to get medical care "free". But that is impossible. Someone has to pay and if you turn it over to the government everyone will pay through much higher taxes and the quality of care will go down significantly.

Exactly. The left lies.

I am pro-life. I fully support the 2nd Amendment. I believe we need a balanced budget amendment. But I'm "left" because I believe that a country founded on Christian ideas should see that everyone in the country can access affordable health care when they need to?

Government run healthcare isn't a Christian concept.

Come up with a better way to make sure everyone can access affordable health care when needed and I'll listen. Still waiting on Trump's plan he had ready to go that everyone was going to love.

Trump's plan is to get rid of Obamacare. Get a job, there's plenty of them out there.

 

[pknopp]

Silly thread.

There's no such thing as a general right to an attorney. The Sixth Amendment is a limitation on government. It says they can't convict you of a crime unless you have legal representation.

That wasn't the argument was it?

Funny how US LAW dictates you are entitled, have a RIGHT to the service of an attorney...when you are accused of a crime. [/i[

Actually, you aren't. That's the point I'm making. You just can't be prosecuted without representation. That's not a right, it's a limitation on government prosecution. It isn't remotely comparable to the supposed "right to health care".

LOL. You can argue that they are different arguments but the OP is correct in what he said about the right to a lawyer. You arent even saying anything different.

 

[pknopp]

that entire article is a lie from a far left website. To claim that 70% of americans support socialistic medicine is total bullshit.

Sure, we would all like to get medical care "free". But that is impossible. Someone has to pay and if you turn it over to the government everyone will pay through much higher taxes and the quality of care will go down significantly.

Exactly. The left lies.

I am pro-life. I fully support the 2nd Amendment. I believe we need a balanced budget amendment. But I'm "left" because I believe that a country founded on Christian ideas should see that everyone in the country can access affordable health care when they need to?

Government run healthcare isn't a Christian concept.

Come up with a better way to make sure everyone can access affordable health care when needed and I'll listen. Still waiting on Trump's plan he had ready to go that everyone was going to love.

Trump's plan is to get rid of Obamacare. Get a job, there's plenty of them out there.

That isn't what he said. He let his mouth get in the way of that also.

 

[BS Filter]

Exactly. The left lies.

I am pro-life. I fully support the 2nd Amendment. I believe we need a balanced budget amendment. But I'm "left" because I believe that a country founded on Christian ideas should see that everyone in the country can access affordable health care when they need to?

Government run healthcare isn't a Christian concept.

Come up with a better way to make sure everyone can access affordable health care when needed and I'll listen. Still waiting on Trump's plan he had ready to go that everyone was going to love.

Trump's plan is to get rid of Obamacare. Get a job, there's plenty of them out there.

That isn't what he said. He let his mouth get in the way of that also.

You're lying again.
Trump administration to court: Get rid of Obamacare entirely

 

[pknopp]

I am pro-life. I fully support the 2nd Amendment. I believe we need a balanced budget amendment. But I'm "left" because I believe that a country founded on Christian ideas should see that everyone in the country can access affordable health care when they need to?

Government run healthcare isn't a Christian concept.

Come up with a better way to make sure everyone can access affordable health care when needed and I'll listen. Still waiting on Trump's plan he had ready to go that everyone was going to love.

Trump's plan is to get rid of Obamacare. Get a job, there's plenty of them out there.

That isn't what he said. He let his mouth get in the way of that also.

You're lying again.
Trump administration to court: Get rid of Obamacare entirely

McCain hammered him when they voted over Trump's mouth.

Fact.

 

[BS Filter]

Government run healthcare isn't a Christian concept.

Come up with a better way to make sure everyone can access affordable health care when needed and I'll listen. Still waiting on Trump's plan he had ready to go that everyone was going to love.

Trump's plan is to get rid of Obamacare. Get a job, there's plenty of them out there.

That isn't what he said. He let his mouth get in the way of that also.

You're lying again.
Trump administration to court: Get rid of Obamacare entirely

McCain hammered him when they voted over Trump's mouth.

Fact.

McCain is dead, just like Obamacare.

 

[pknopp]

Come up with a better way to make sure everyone can access affordable health care when needed and I'll listen. Still waiting on Trump's plan he had ready to go that everyone was going to love.

Trump's plan is to get rid of Obamacare. Get a job, there's plenty of them out there.

That isn't what he said. He let his mouth get in the way of that also.

You're lying again.
Trump administration to court: Get rid of Obamacare entirely

McCain hammered him when they voted over Trump's mouth.

Fact.

McCain is dead, just like Obamacare.

I want it gone. We can't do the right thing until Obamacare is gone.

 

[WTH_Progs?]

Silly thread.

There's no such thing as a general right to an attorney. The Sixth Amendment is a limitation on government. It says they can't convict you of a crime unless you have legal representation.

That wasn't the argument was it?

Funny how US LAW dictates you are entitled, have a RIGHT to the service of an attorney...when you are accused of a crime. [/i[

How did you miss his point?

 

[pknopp]

Silly thread.

There's no such thing as a general right to an attorney. The Sixth Amendment is a limitation on government. It says they can't convict you of a crime unless you have legal representation.

That wasn't the argument was it?

Funny how US LAW dictates you are entitled, have a RIGHT to the service of an attorney...when you are accused of a crime. [/i[

How did you miss his point?

I quoted his point.

 

[whitehall]

If the government accuses you of a crime you have the right to an attorney to keep your dead ass out of the slammer. Does the spoiled generation have a problem with that? If you are injured you have a right to treatment in the emergency room regardless of your ability to pay. The U.S. supports about ten million illegal alien criminals who often seek medical treatment when they get across the desert and hospitals and small municipalities are going broke treating them. If y'all spoiled brats get your heads out of your asses and live in the real world you might learn something.

 

[BS Filter]

Trump's plan is to get rid of Obamacare. Get a job, there's plenty of them out there.

That isn't what he said. He let his mouth get in the way of that also.

You're lying again.
Trump administration to court: Get rid of Obamacare entirely

McCain hammered him when they voted over Trump's mouth.

Fact.

McCain is dead, just like Obamacare.

I want it gone. We can't do the right thing until Obamacare is gone.

The right thing is to get government out of the healthcare business.

 

[TheParser]

Let's tell it as it is: "Socialized" medicine is coming to the United States. It is just a matter of when.

And, as in England, people with enough money will continue to consult private doctors.


More and more people (including me) feel that medical treatment is a right.

And (as an 82-year-old), I wish that old people would not have to worry about expending their savings in order to pay for "retirement homes." Maybe I am wrong, but Obamacare originally raised this issue, but it went nowhere.

 

[pknopp]

That isn't what he said. He let his mouth get in the way of that also.

You're lying again.
Trump administration to court: Get rid of Obamacare entirely

McCain hammered him when they voted over Trump's mouth.

Fact.

McCain is dead, just like Obamacare.

I want it gone. We can't do the right thing until Obamacare is gone.

The right thing is to get government out of the healthcare business.

So that places like Purdue Pharmaceuticals can create another addiction crises?

 

[pknopp]

Let's tell it as it is: "Socialized" medicine is coming to the United States. It is just a matter of when.

And, as in England, people with enough money will continue to consult private doctors.


More and more people (including me) feel that medical treatment is a right.

And (as an 82-year-old), I wish that old people would not have to worry about expending their savings in order to pay for "retirement homes." Maybe I am wrong, but Obamacare originally raised this issue, but it went nowhere.

Obamacare was not about the people. It was about the insurance and pharmaceutical complanies.

 

[BS Filter]

Let's tell it as it is: "Socialized" medicine is coming to the United States. It is just a matter of when.

And, as in England, people with enough money will continue to consult private doctors.


More and more people (including me) feel that medical treatment is a right.

And (as an 82-year-old), I wish that old people would not have to worry about expending their savings in order to pay for "retirement homes." Maybe I am wrong, but Obamacare originally raised this issue, but it went nowhere.

Government provided healthcare isn't a right. If it was, then the founders would have instituted it when the Constitution was ratified or later by Amendment.

 

[hadit]

Money is fungible. If they can spend less on a military, they can spend more on healthcare.

We could spend less on the military and be a better country for it.

Sure, and make other countries pay more for theirs and have less cradle to grave nanny states.

I've said over and over that we should bring every single soldier home.

Which doesn't address the point, which is that we are subsidizing the nanny states of many European countries.

We begged them to help us out in Iraq.

Which continues to avoid the point, that we are subsidizing their nanny states. You should at least admit that instead of continuing to try to change the subject.

 

[pknopp]

We could spend less on the military and be a better country for it.

Sure, and make other countries pay more for theirs and have less cradle to grave nanny states.

I've said over and over that we should bring every single soldier home.

Which doesn't address the point, which is that we are subsidizing the nanny states of many European countries.

We begged them to help us out in Iraq.

Which continues to avoid the point, that we are subsidizing their nanny states. You should at least admit that instead of continuing to try to change the subject.

No, you have decided that they need larger armies, not them.

 

[hadit]

So, IOW, it's not really all that great care. Under today's system, age doesn't limit your treatment. It might cause a doctor to make a different recommendation, but you have the options.

Double speak.

On the contrary, quite true.

Sure, when your insurance is done paying the doctor will prescribe pain meds to ease your last moments.

Depends on the insurance you buy, a choice you don't get with socialized medicine.

It's not a choice for millions now.

If you make it a priority, you have options.

 

[hadit]

Sure, and make other countries pay more for theirs and have less cradle to grave nanny states.

I've said over and over that we should bring every single soldier home.

Which doesn't address the point, which is that we are subsidizing the nanny states of many European countries.

We begged them to help us out in Iraq.

Which continues to avoid the point, that we are subsidizing their nanny states. You should at least admit that instead of continuing to try to change the subject.

No, you have decided that they need larger armies, not them.

I started that they would have larger armies than they do if we were not there. That is true, and you have failed to refute it, only attempting to divert.