America: “You have the RIGHT to an attorney”.....but not a doctor right guys?

[pknopp]

LOL. You can argue that they are different arguments but the OP is correct in what he said about the right to a lawyer. You arent even saying anything different.

Yes. It's the OP's implied conclusions that I'm disputing. The "right" to an attorney, before one can be prosecuted for criminal charges, is in no way comparable to the proposed "right" to the health care. It's a cheap equivocation and not valid comparison.

It's the least a Christian nation should do.

Whatever. We rejected theocracy. We need to reject socialism - for the same reasons.


No one has a "right" to the labor of someone else.

Outside of bankers, employers and corporate farms.

No, not for them either. Why would you want that?

Has nothing to do with what I want. I'm voting against it.

 

[hadit]

Show me how I'm wrong. It's after WWII. Germany has twice in a few decades attempted to overrun Europe, causing millions of deaths and devastating vast portions of the continent. The US goes back home, leaving no military presence.

You're the leadership of France. What do you do?

1. Build a massively expensive nanny state, assuming there will be no further problems from Germany and Italy. After all, they only did it twice.
2. Beg the US to maintain a military presence in the region to help contain any potential aggression, since the US is emerging as one of the world's true super powers.
3. Rebuild your military to be as strong as possible to ensure that you will never be overrun like you just were.

Go on, pick anything other than 3 and make a logical argument for it. prove me wrong.

The world was intent on Keeping Germany down after WWI. That is what led to WWII. That's what we do in countries all around the world. We destroy them. People who have nothing have nothing to lose.

Unless the desire is to attack and destroy other countries these countries have enough military to protect themselves.

Sigh. You're either terminally dense, determined to avoid the point, or desperately pretending to be dense.

I gave you three choices and you didn't even try to address the question.

I'll make this simple. You're NOT making your case. We ARE subsidizing their nanny states with our military expenditures.

LOL.........I gave the correct answer. Just because we want to destroy other countries does not make it right or something other countries wish to pursue.

No, you only attempted to avoid the question. It's very simple. I say we subsidize the nanny states in many European countries because our military presence allows them to spend less on their militaries and more on their nanny states. If you don't believe it, back it to with truth and logic. If you don't this time, you've lost and can't recover.

I have. "You say".......I really do not care what "you say". You assume they want to attack multiple countries over lies also.

I accept the surrender of your dignity and the point.

 

[hadit]

Actually, you aren't. That's the point I'm making. You just can't be prosecuted without representation. That's not a right, it's a limitation on government prosecution. It isn't remotely comparable to the supposed "right to health care".

LOL. You can argue that they are different arguments but the OP is correct in what he said about the right to a lawyer. You arent even saying anything different.

Yes. It's the OP's implied conclusions that I'm disputing. The "right" to an attorney, before one can be prosecuted for criminal charges, is in no way comparable to the proposed "right" to the health care. It's a cheap equivocation and not valid comparison.

It's the least a Christian nation should do.

Whatever. We rejected theocracy. We need to reject socialism - for the same reasons.


No one has a "right" to the labor of someone else.

Outside of bankers, employers and corporate farms.

You have to choose to put your money in a bank, so fail.

Employers have to pay for your labor and can't force you to work for them, so another fail.

You have to choose to buy products from a corporate farm, so failure three.

So much fail in just one of your posts.

 

[pknopp]

LOL. You can argue that they are different arguments but the OP is correct in what he said about the right to a lawyer. You arent even saying anything different.

Yes. It's the OP's implied conclusions that I'm disputing. The "right" to an attorney, before one can be prosecuted for criminal charges, is in no way comparable to the proposed "right" to the health care. It's a cheap equivocation and not valid comparison.

It's the least a Christian nation should do.

Whatever. We rejected theocracy. We need to reject socialism - for the same reasons.


No one has a "right" to the labor of someone else.

Outside of bankers, employers and corporate farms.

You have to choose to put your money in a bank, so fail.

Employers have to pay for your labor and can't force you to work for them, so another fail.

You have to choose to buy products from a corporate farm, so failure three.

So much fail in just one of your posts.

You have to choose to continue to allow those working here illegally to continue working .

 

[hadit]

Yes. It's the OP's implied conclusions that I'm disputing. The "right" to an attorney, before one can be prosecuted for criminal charges, is in no way comparable to the proposed "right" to the health care. It's a cheap equivocation and not valid comparison.

It's the least a Christian nation should do.

Whatever. We rejected theocracy. We need to reject socialism - for the same reasons.


No one has a "right" to the labor of someone else.

Outside of bankers, employers and corporate farms.

You have to choose to put your money in a bank, so fail.

Employers have to pay for your labor and can't force you to work for them, so another fail.

You have to choose to buy products from a corporate farm, so failure three.

So much fail in just one of your posts.

You have to choose to continue to allow those working here illegally to continue working .

Before I obliterate yet another of your failed talking points, get back to the one I just destroyed. How do banks, employers, and corporate farms have a right to your labor?

Now, how do you intend to stop illegals from working?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I get it now. I can CHOOSE to commit a crime, then im entitled to someones service. But I DONT choose to get sick, but when I do, Im no longer entitled to medical services.

actually, food, clothing, and shelter are more important than health care so we must be entitled to those too-right??

Under Republican capitalism you must contribute to society before you can consumer, under socialism you are entitled to consume before you have contributed. Now you can see, given human nature, how socialism managed to just kill 150 million innocent souls.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

Now, how do you intend to stop illegals from working?

a wall and e-verify with criminal penalties, of course.

 

[pknopp]

It's the least a Christian nation should do.

Whatever. We rejected theocracy. We need to reject socialism - for the same reasons.


No one has a "right" to the labor of someone else.

Outside of bankers, employers and corporate farms.

You have to choose to put your money in a bank, so fail.

Employers have to pay for your labor and can't force you to work for them, so another fail.

You have to choose to buy products from a corporate farm, so failure three.

So much fail in just one of your posts.

You have to choose to continue to allow those working here illegally to continue working .

Before I obliterate yet another of your failed talking points, get back to the one I just destroyed. How do banks, employers, and corporate farms have a right to your labor?

Now, how do you intend to stop illegals from working?

We were talking taxes.

 

[hadit]

Whatever. We rejected theocracy. We need to reject socialism - for the same reasons.


No one has a "right" to the labor of someone else.

Outside of bankers, employers and corporate farms.

You have to choose to put your money in a bank, so fail.

Employers have to pay for your labor and can't force you to work for them, so another fail.

You have to choose to buy products from a corporate farm, so failure three.

So much fail in just one of your posts.

You have to choose to continue to allow those working here illegally to continue working .

Before I obliterate yet another of your failed talking points, get back to the one I just destroyed. How do banks, employers, and corporate farms have a right to your labor?

Now, how do you intend to stop illegals from working?

We were talking taxes.

How do taxes relate to your inability to back up what you say?

 

[Redfish]

Nearly every single site you can find will state the same thing.

There's no dispute that most bankruptcies are caused by illness or loss of job causing loss of insurance

wrong again, most bankruptcies are the result of the person taking on more credit than he/she can ever pay back. Most bankruptcies are the result of insufficient cash flow, not being sick.

Of course, being sick doesn't help the cash flow.

of course not, but that does not change the facts that there are no bankruptcies that occur solely due to medical bills as the previous poster claimed.

Your opinion is only that. Almost every single source will note it is the number one reason for bankruptcies in the country. You can try and spin that anyway you want.

wrong, thats not what they say. What they say is that most bankruptcies have some medical bills included in the filings. They do NOT say that medical bills are ever the primary reason for bankruptcy. Its not my opinion, its fact.

What amazes me is that you libs create this fake medical/bankruptcy thread and then cry for government run medicine which you, in your ignorance, think is going to be free. there ain't no free lunch, dude, or free doctors either. Somebody gotta pay and under socialized medicine we would all pay and pay a lot more. We might not be bankrupt, but the country would be.

 

[Redfish]

So, IOW, it's not really all that great care. Under today's system, age doesn't limit your treatment. It might cause a doctor to make a different recommendation, but you have the options.

Double speak.

On the contrary, quite true.

Sure, when your insurance is done paying the doctor will prescribe pain meds to ease your last moments.

Depends on the insurance you buy, a choice you don't get with socialized medicine.

It's not a choice for millions now.

of course it is, you can pay for a policy of your choosing, or you can take medicare or medicaid. NO one in the USA is being denied medical care. to say they are is a LIE

 

[pknopp]

There's no dispute that most bankruptcies are caused by illness or loss of job causing loss of insurance

wrong again, most bankruptcies are the result of the person taking on more credit than he/she can ever pay back. Most bankruptcies are the result of insufficient cash flow, not being sick.

Of course, being sick doesn't help the cash flow.

of course not, but that does not change the facts that there are no bankruptcies that occur solely due to medical bills as the previous poster claimed.

Your opinion is only that. Almost every single source will note it is the number one reason for bankruptcies in the country. You can try and spin that anyway you want.

wrong, thats not what they say. What they say is that most bankruptcies have some medical bills included in the filings.

Staggering medical bills are the biggest driver of personal bankruptcies in the US.

Staggering medical bills are the biggest driver of personal bankruptcies in the US. Here's what you need to know if you're thinking about filing for bankruptcy.

 

[FA_Q2]

LOL. You can argue that they are different arguments but the OP is correct in what he said about the right to a lawyer. You arent even saying anything different.

Yes. It's the OP's implied conclusions that I'm disputing. The "right" to an attorney, before one can be prosecuted for criminal charges, is in no way comparable to the proposed "right" to the health care. It's a cheap equivocation and not valid comparison.

It's the least a Christian nation should do.

Whatever. We rejected theocracy. We need to reject socialism - for the same reasons.


No one has a "right" to the labor of someone else.

Outside of bankers, employers and corporate farms.

No, not for them either. Why would you want that?

 

[bendog]

wrong again, most bankruptcies are the result of the person taking on more credit than he/she can ever pay back. Most bankruptcies are the result of insufficient cash flow, not being sick.

Of course, being sick doesn't help the cash flow.

of course not, but that does not change the facts that there are no bankruptcies that occur solely due to medical bills as the previous poster claimed.

Your opinion is only that. Almost every single source will note it is the number one reason for bankruptcies in the country. You can try and spin that anyway you want.

wrong, thats not what they say. What they say is that most bankruptcies have some medical bills included in the filings.

Staggering medical bills are the biggest driver of personal bankruptcies in the US.

Staggering medical bills are the biggest driver of personal bankruptcies in the US. Here's what you need to know if you're thinking about filing for bankruptcy.

But President Trump say bankurptch good

 

[dblack]

Yes. It's the OP's implied conclusions that I'm disputing. The "right" to an attorney, before one can be prosecuted for criminal charges, is in no way comparable to the proposed "right" to the health care. It's a cheap equivocation and not valid comparison.

It's the least a Christian nation should do.

Whatever. We rejected theocracy. We need to reject socialism - for the same reasons.


No one has a "right" to the labor of someone else.

Outside of bankers, employers and corporate farms.

No, not for them either. Why would you want that?

I suppose. It seems some people won't rest until the government has control of all the necessities.

 

[Jitss617]

America isn’t for everyone

 

[Redfish]

Of course, being sick doesn't help the cash flow.

of course not, but that does not change the facts that there are no bankruptcies that occur solely due to medical bills as the previous poster claimed.

Your opinion is only that. Almost every single source will note it is the number one reason for bankruptcies in the country. You can try and spin that anyway you want.

wrong, thats not what they say. What they say is that most bankruptcies have some medical bills included in the filings.

Staggering medical bills are the biggest driver of personal bankruptcies in the US.

Staggering medical bills are the biggest driver of personal bankruptcies in the US. Here's what you need to know if you're thinking about filing for bankruptcy.

But President Trump say bankurptch good

Trump has never declared personal bankruptcy, some of the businesses he was involved with have, and in every case that was the best option for the shareholders, the employees, the creditors, and the suppliers.

that article you cited is a lie.

 

[dblack]

America isn’t for everyone

Sure it is. I know that gnaws at you, but America has always been a refuge for people fed up with overbearing governments. And, despite, the whinging of the xenophobes, we're going to make sure it stays that way. Those are exactly the kind of people we need.

Let's hear it for the melting pot!

 

[Redfish]

America isn’t for everyone

Sure it is. I know that gnaws at you, but America has always been a refuge for people fed up with overbearing governments. And, despite, the whinging of the xenophobes, we're going to make sure it stays that way. Those are exactly the kind of people we need.

Let's hear it for the melting pot!

We all agree on that------------------But lets have them come legally. do you have a problem with LEGAL immigration?

 

[Jitss617]

America isn’t for everyone

Sure it is. I know that gnaws at you, but America has always been a refuge for people fed up with overbearing governments. And, despite, the whinging of the xenophobes, we're going to make sure it stays that way. Those are exactly the kind of people we need.

Let's hear it for the melting pot!

So stop complaining we are to racist for you lol can’t take the heat stay out of the kitchen