America: “You have the RIGHT to an attorney”.....but not a doctor right guys?

[fncceo]

No kidding. I'm surprised you used him as an example. The truth is for the average Canadian and other countries with socialist healthcare the waiting time for surgery is months.

And yet it isn't.

Oh, yes it is. You really should use your time and energy on naive college kids like Bernie does. Educated people aren't gonna fall for that shit.

We will have UHC, the only question is when.

I don't think so. The Democrat party isn't going for it.

Doesn't matter.

70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all—here's how single-payer could affect you

70% of Americans, if asked, would be in favor of single payer auto care too.

Everyone is in favor of free stuff if they think they won't have to pay.

 

[BS Filter]

I bet over 70% of American workers are in favor of lower taxes

 

[froggy]

Funny how US LAW dictates you are entitled, have a RIGHT to the service of an attorney...when you are accused of a crime. In fact if you cant afford one the govt literally says “one will be provided to you” free of charge. Wow. Thats pretty amazing.

But get sick? OOOOOHHHH NO....now you don’t have the right to someones service.

I get it now. I can CHOOSE to commit a crime, then im entitled to someones service. But I DONT choose to get sick, but when I do, Im no longer entitled to medical services.

And you wonder why PRESIDENT BERNIE SANDERS is going to happen? This is why. And its past due.

You had the right to stay healthy and to teach your kids to do the same

 

[BS Filter]

Government provided healthcare isn't a right.

 

[pknopp]

And yet it isn't.

Oh, yes it is. You really should use your time and energy on naive college kids like Bernie does. Educated people aren't gonna fall for that shit.

We will have UHC, the only question is when.

I don't think so. The Democrat party isn't going for it.

Doesn't matter.

70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all—here's how single-payer could affect you

70% of Americans, if asked, would be in favor of single payer auto care too.

Everyone is in favor of free stuff if they think they won't have to pay.

You can misrepresent it until you are blue in the face but it will happen.

 

[fncceo]

Oh, yes it is. You really should use your time and energy on naive college kids like Bernie does. Educated people aren't gonna fall for that shit.

We will have UHC, the only question is when.

I don't think so. The Democrat party isn't going for it.

Doesn't matter.

70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all—here's how single-payer could affect you

70% of Americans, if asked, would be in favor of single payer auto care too.

Everyone is in favor of free stuff if they think they won't have to pay.

You can misrepresent it until you are blue in the face but it will happen.

Please feel free to hold your breath.

 

[BS Filter]

Oh, yes it is. You really should use your time and energy on naive college kids like Bernie does. Educated people aren't gonna fall for that shit.

We will have UHC, the only question is when.

I don't think so. The Democrat party isn't going for it.

Doesn't matter.

70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all—here's how single-payer could affect you

70% of Americans, if asked, would be in favor of single payer auto care too.

Everyone is in favor of free stuff if they think they won't have to pay.

You can misrepresent it until you are blue in the face but it will happen.

Nope. Hold your breath and stomp your feet.

 

[hadit]

Good, then you would know that Germany hasn't been "punished" further. And you haven't addressed the obvious, that the countries around Germany would have much larger militaries today if we were not there.

Let them.

The point, which you labor to duck, is that if they spent far more on their militaries, they would not be able to afford socialized medicine to the extent they do, and you would not be able to point at them and say, "See, they can do it, so can we".

It's your theory not mine. We sure begged all these countries to use their militaries to help us out in Iraq.

Not that any of it did any good.

But you cannot refute my point, which is the size of our military presence in Europe makes it easier for European countries to spend more on socialized medicine.

I disagree. First because they are not spending more on health care. They are spending less than us but covering everyone.

Money is fungible. If they can spend less on a military, they can spend more on healthcare.

 

[hadit]

The point, which you labor to duck, is that if they spent far more on their militaries, they would not be able to afford socialized medicine to the extent they do, and you would not be able to point at them and say, "See, they can do it, so can we".

It's your theory not mine. We sure begged all these countries to use their militaries to help us out in Iraq.

Not that any of it did any good.

But you cannot refute my point, which is the size of our military presence in Europe makes it easier for European countries to spend more on socialized medicine.

I disagree. First because they are not spending more on health care. They are spending less than us but covering everyone.

At what quality of care? How long do you have to wait for routine treatment that in this country you get right away? How often do you hear that you're too old to get treatment for something? These are all things we don't often worry about here.

Some get it right away. Some can't get it. As far as "too old" the new system will be the same one that "old" people are under now and yes, for profit insurance also denies coverages.

So, IOW, it's not really all that great care. Under today's system, age doesn't limit your treatment. It might cause a doctor to make a different recommendation, but you have the options.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

No kidding. I'm surprised you used him as an example. The truth is for the average Canadian and other countries with socialist healthcare the waiting time for surgery is months.

And yet it isn't.

Oh, yes it is. You really should use your time and energy on naive college kids like Bernie does. Educated people aren't gonna fall for that shit.

We will have UHC, the only question is when.

I don't think so. The Democrat party isn't going for it.

Doesn't matter.

70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all—here's how single-payer could affect you

That's why Warren's support cratered after she came out for Medicare-for-all.
But thanks for the 18 month old article. LOL!

 

[pknopp]

Let them.

The point, which you labor to duck, is that if they spent far more on their militaries, they would not be able to afford socialized medicine to the extent they do, and you would not be able to point at them and say, "See, they can do it, so can we".

It's your theory not mine. We sure begged all these countries to use their militaries to help us out in Iraq.

Not that any of it did any good.

But you cannot refute my point, which is the size of our military presence in Europe makes it easier for European countries to spend more on socialized medicine.

I disagree. First because they are not spending more on health care. They are spending less than us but covering everyone.

Money is fungible. If they can spend less on a military, they can spend more on healthcare.

We could spend less on the military and be a better country for it.

 

[pknopp]

It's your theory not mine. We sure begged all these countries to use their militaries to help us out in Iraq.

Not that any of it did any good.

But you cannot refute my point, which is the size of our military presence in Europe makes it easier for European countries to spend more on socialized medicine.

I disagree. First because they are not spending more on health care. They are spending less than us but covering everyone.

At what quality of care? How long do you have to wait for routine treatment that in this country you get right away? How often do you hear that you're too old to get treatment for something? These are all things we don't often worry about here.

Some get it right away. Some can't get it. As far as "too old" the new system will be the same one that "old" people are under now and yes, for profit insurance also denies coverages.

So, IOW, it's not really all that great care. Under today's system, age doesn't limit your treatment. It might cause a doctor to make a different recommendation, but you have the options.

Double speak.

 

[pknopp]

And yet it isn't.

Oh, yes it is. You really should use your time and energy on naive college kids like Bernie does. Educated people aren't gonna fall for that shit.

We will have UHC, the only question is when.

I don't think so. The Democrat party isn't going for it.

Doesn't matter.

70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all—here's how single-payer could affect you

That's why Warren's support cratered after she came out for Medicare-for-all.
But thanks for the 18 month old article. LOL!

Warren has always been for that. Warrens support never cratered. She never had the support the media claimed she had in the first place.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Oh, yes it is. You really should use your time and energy on naive college kids like Bernie does. Educated people aren't gonna fall for that shit.

We will have UHC, the only question is when.

I don't think so. The Democrat party isn't going for it.

Doesn't matter.

70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all—here's how single-payer could affect you

That's why Warren's support cratered after she came out for Medicare-for-all.
But thanks for the 18 month old article. LOL!

Warren has always been for that. Warrens support never cratered. She never had the support the media claimed she had in the first place.

Warrens support never cratered.

Examining Elizabeth Warren's Slide | RealClearPolitics

RealClearPolitics - Election 2020 - 2020 Democratic Presidential Nomination

 

[Redfish]

I've provided the link.

you provided a link to a propaganda site, not a valid link to factual data.

It is true that most bankruptcy filings have some medical bills listed in them, But it is not true that americans are filing bankruptcy solely due to medical bills..

Nearly every single site you can find will state the same thing.

There's no dispute that most bankruptcies are caused by illness or loss of job causing loss of insurance

wrong again, most bankruptcies are the result of the person taking on more credit than he/she can ever pay back. Most bankruptcies are the result of insufficient cash flow, not being sick.

Of course, being sick doesn't help the cash flow.

of course not, but that does not change the facts that there are no bankruptcies that occur solely due to medical bills as the previous poster claimed.

 

[Redfish]

No kidding. I'm surprised you used him as an example. The truth is for the average Canadian and other countries with socialist healthcare the waiting time for surgery is months.

And yet it isn't.

Oh, yes it is. You really should use your time and energy on naive college kids like Bernie does. Educated people aren't gonna fall for that shit.

We will have UHC, the only question is when.

I don't think so. The Democrat party isn't going for it.

Doesn't matter.

70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all—here's how single-payer could affect you

that entire article is a lie from a far left website. To claim that 70% of americans support socialistic medicine is total bullshit.

Sure, we would all like to get medical care "free". But that is impossible. Someone has to pay and if you turn it over to the government everyone will pay through much higher taxes and the quality of care will go down significantly.

 

[BS Filter]

And yet it isn't.

Oh, yes it is. You really should use your time and energy on naive college kids like Bernie does. Educated people aren't gonna fall for that shit.

We will have UHC, the only question is when.

I don't think so. The Democrat party isn't going for it.

Doesn't matter.

70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all—here's how single-payer could affect you

that entire article is a lie from a far left website. To claim that 70% of americans support socialistic medicine is total bullshit.

Sure, we would all like to get medical care "free". But that is impossible. Someone has to pay and if you turn it over to the government everyone will pay through much higher taxes and the quality of care will go down significantly.

Exactly. The left lies.

 

[Redfish]

Oh, yes it is. You really should use your time and energy on naive college kids like Bernie does. Educated people aren't gonna fall for that shit.

We will have UHC, the only question is when.

I don't think so. The Democrat party isn't going for it.

Doesn't matter.

70% of Americans now support Medicare-for-all—here's how single-payer could affect you

that entire article is a lie from a far left website. To claim that 70% of americans support socialistic medicine is total bullshit.

Sure, we would all like to get medical care "free". But that is impossible. Someone has to pay and if you turn it over to the government everyone will pay through much higher taxes and the quality of care will go down significantly.

Exactly. The left lies.

today its just about all they do.

 

[hadit]

The point, which you labor to duck, is that if they spent far more on their militaries, they would not be able to afford socialized medicine to the extent they do, and you would not be able to point at them and say, "See, they can do it, so can we".

It's your theory not mine. We sure begged all these countries to use their militaries to help us out in Iraq.

Not that any of it did any good.

But you cannot refute my point, which is the size of our military presence in Europe makes it easier for European countries to spend more on socialized medicine.

I disagree. First because they are not spending more on health care. They are spending less than us but covering everyone.

Money is fungible. If they can spend less on a military, they can spend more on healthcare.

We could spend less on the military and be a better country for it.

Sure, and make other countries pay more for theirs and have less cradle to grave nanny states.

 

[hadit]

But you cannot refute my point, which is the size of our military presence in Europe makes it easier for European countries to spend more on socialized medicine.

I disagree. First because they are not spending more on health care. They are spending less than us but covering everyone.

At what quality of care? How long do you have to wait for routine treatment that in this country you get right away? How often do you hear that you're too old to get treatment for something? These are all things we don't often worry about here.

Some get it right away. Some can't get it. As far as "too old" the new system will be the same one that "old" people are under now and yes, for profit insurance also denies coverages.

So, IOW, it's not really all that great care. Under today's system, age doesn't limit your treatment. It might cause a doctor to make a different recommendation, but you have the options.

Double speak.

On the contrary, quite true.