Americans prefer to live where they can own guns and protect themselves...thank goodness.....

[orogenicman]

Would there be handguns and automatic weapons in your utopia?

If there were no crime, there would be no need for guns now would there?

If there had been no guns last year in the U.S., there would have been 10,000 fewer gun deaths.

And if there had been no guns in the U.S. then there would have been 2 million more victims...on average........and those 10,000 fewer gun deaths would have been deaths by other means....

In what alternative universe? If there are no guns, there can be no gun deaths. And yes, there would likely have been deaths by other means. But there are no other deaths as efficient is death by gun. If you don't believe me, try killing someone with a knife. The fact remains that the nation with the lowest gun deaths (Japan) also has the lowest murder rate in the industrial world, and has the fewest guns in private hands.

If you want to understand the truth and reality of Japanese gun control...here you go...tell me you want these powers for American police officers......

Japanese Gun Control

III. A Police State

Illegal gun possession, like illegal drug possession, is a consensual offense. There is no victim to complain to the police. Accordingly, in order to find illegal guns, the Japanese police are given broad search and seizure powers. The basic firearms law permits a policeman to search a person's belongings if the officer judges there is 'sufficient suspicion that a person is carrying a fire-arm, a sword or a knife' or if he judges that a person 'is likely to endanger life or body of other persons judging reasonably from his abnormal behavior or any other surrounding circumstances'.[32] Once a weapon is found, the policeman may confiscate it. Even if the confiscation is later admitted to be an error, the firearm is sometimes not returned.[33](p.29)

In practice, the special law for weapons searches is not necessary, since the police routinely search at will. They ask suspicious characters to show them what is in their purse or sack.[34] In the rare cases where a policeman's search (for a gun or any other contraband) is ruled illegal, it hardly matters; the Japanese courts permit the use of illegally seized evidence.[35] And legal rules aside, Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much the more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police.[36]

'Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police...' explains the Japanese National Police Agency. In twice-a-year visit, officers fill out Residence Information Cards about who lives where and which family member to contact in case of emergency, what relation people in the house have to each other, what kind of work they do, if they work late, and what kind of cars they own.[37] The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure that no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.[38]

The close surveillance of gun owners and householders comports with the police tradition of keeping close tabs on many private activities.[39]For example, the nation's official year-end police report includes statistics like 'Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct'. The police recorded 9,402 such incidents in 1985, and determined that 37.4 per cent of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had sex 'voluntarily'. The two leading reasons for having sex voluntarily were 'out of curiosity' for 19.6 per cent, and 'liked particular boy', for 18.1 per cent.[40] The fact that police keep records on sex is simply a reflection of their keeping an eye on everything, including guns. Every person is the subject of a police dossier.[41]

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After the arrest, a suspect may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before the prosecutor brings the suspect before a judge.[42] Even after the 28 day period is completed, detention in a Japanese police station may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Rearrest on another charge, bekken taihö, is a common police tactic for starting the suspect on another 28 day interrogation process. 'Rearrest' may (p.30)occur while the suspect is still being held at the police station on the first charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge.[43] Courts approve 99.5 per cent of prosecutors' requests for detentions.[44]

Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a suspect in custody, and those meetings are strictly limited. In the months while a suspect is held prisoner, the defense counsel may see his or her client for one to five meetings lasting about 15 minutes each. Even that access will be denied if it hampers the police investigation. While under detention, suspects can be interrogated 12 hours a day, allowed to bathe only every fifth day, and may be prohibited from standing up, lying down, or leaning against the wall of their jail cells.[45] Amnesty International calls the Japanese police custody system a 'flagrant violation of United Nations human rights principles'.[46]

The confession rate is 95 per cent.[47] As a Tokyo police sergeant observes, 'It is no use to protest against power'.[48] Suspects are not allowed to read confessions before they sign them, and suspects commonly complain that their confession was altered after signature. The police use confession as their main investigative technique, and when that fails, they can become frustrated and angry.

The Tokyo Bar Association states that the police routinely 'engage in torture or illegal treatment'. The Tokyo Bar is particularly critical of the judiciary for its near-total disinterest in coercion during the confession process.

'Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions'.[49]

In Japan, the legal system is, in effect, an omnipotent and unitary state authority. All law enforcement administrators in Japan are appointed by the National Police Agency and receive their funding from the NPA. Hence, the police are insulated from complaints from politicians or other citizens.[50] There is hardly any check on the power of the state, save its own conscience.

What does the breadth of police powers have to do with gun controls? Japanese gun controls exist in a society where there is little need for guns for self-defense. Police powers make it difficult for owners of illegal guns to hide them. Most importantly, the Japanese criminal justice system is based on the Government possessing the inherent authority to do whatever it wishes. In a society where almost everyone accepts nearly limitless, unchecked Government power, people do not wish to own guns to resist oppression or to protect themselves in case the criminal justice system fails.

Extensive police authority is one reason the Japanese gun control system works.

And not having such extensive police authority wrt guns is why gun control doesn't work here.

 

[2aguy]

If there were no crime, there would be no need for guns now would there?

If there had been no guns last year in the U.S., there would have been 10,000 fewer gun deaths.

And if there had been no guns in the U.S. then there would have been 2 million more victims...on average........and those 10,000 fewer gun deaths would have been deaths by other means....

In what alternative universe? If there are no guns, there can be no gun deaths. And yes, there would likely have been deaths by other means. But there are no other deaths as efficient is death by gun. If you don't believe me, try killing someone with a knife. The fact remains that the nation with the lowest gun deaths (Japan) also has the lowest murder rate in the industrial world, and has the fewest guns in private hands.

And yes, there would likely have been deaths by other means.

Thanks...that pretty much makes your point silly.....you only care if a gun kills them......right?

If you don't believe me, try killing someone with a knife.

You do realize that more people are killed with knives than with all category of rifles don't you....but you want to ban the tool that kills fewer people...right?

That's because rifles aren't generally used for defense. But you knew that already.

The fact remains that the nation with the lowest gun deaths (Japan) also has the lowest murder rate in the industrial world, and has the fewest guns in private hands

1) they still have gun murders in Japan...you know that right?

Yes, In Japan, there were 11 murders by guns in 2008. You really want to compare this to the number that occurred in the U.S. that year?

2) it isn't that they don't have guns...it is that they live in a police state...the police can search you anytime they want for any reason at all...and they can search your home when they want and do so at least once a year....they can beat suspects into confessing and the judges don't care....and they can hold you without letting you see an attorney and when you see the attorney he is more interested in not offending the judge and the police than representing you...

It absolutely is that they don't have guns. Police state? Japan today is one of the most peaceful nations on the planet. Get real.[/QUOTE]


For you...so it will come up on your list...


Japanese Gun Control

III. A Police State

Illegal gun possession, like illegal drug possession, is a consensual offense. There is no victim to complain to the police. Accordingly, in order to find illegal guns, the Japanese police are given broad search and seizure powers. The basic firearms law permits a policeman to search a person's belongings if the officer judges there is 'sufficient suspicion that a person is carrying a fire-arm, a sword or a knife' or if he judges that a person 'is likely to endanger life or body of other persons judging reasonably from his abnormal behavior or any other surrounding circumstances'.[32] Once a weapon is found, the policeman may confiscate it. Even if the confiscation is later admitted to be an error, the firearm is sometimes not returned.[33](p.29)

In practice, the special law for weapons searches is not necessary, since the police routinely search at will. They ask suspicious characters to show them what is in their purse or sack.[34] In the rare cases where a policeman's search (for a gun or any other contraband) is ruled illegal, it hardly matters; the Japanese courts permit the use of illegally seized evidence.[35] And legal rules aside, Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much the more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police.[36]

'Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police...' explains the Japanese National Police Agency. In twice-a-year visit, officers fill out Residence Information Cards about who lives where and which family member to contact in case of emergency, what relation people in the house have to each other, what kind of work they do, if they work late, and what kind of cars they own.[37] The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure that no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.[38]

The close surveillance of gun owners and householders comports with the police tradition of keeping close tabs on many private activities.[39]For example, the nation's official year-end police report includes statistics like 'Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct'. The police recorded 9,402 such incidents in 1985, and determined that 37.4 per cent of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had sex 'voluntarily'. The two leading reasons for having sex voluntarily were 'out of curiosity' for 19.6 per cent, and 'liked particular boy', for 18.1 per cent.[40] The fact that police keep records on sex is simply a reflection of their keeping an eye on everything, including guns. Every person is the subject of a police dossier.[41]

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After the arrest, a suspect may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before the prosecutor brings the suspect before a judge.[42] Even after the 28 day period is completed, detention in a Japanese police station may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Rearrest on another charge, bekken taihö, is a common police tactic for starting the suspect on another 28 day interrogation process. 'Rearrest' may (p.30)occur while the suspect is still being held at the police station on the first charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge.[43] Courts approve 99.5 per cent of prosecutors' requests for detentions.[44]

Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a suspect in custody, and those meetings are strictly limited. In the months while a suspect is held prisoner, the defense counsel may see his or her client for one to five meetings lasting about 15 minutes each. Even that access will be denied if it hampers the police investigation. While under detention, suspects can be interrogated 12 hours a day, allowed to bathe only every fifth day, and may be prohibited from standing up, lying down, or leaning against the wall of their jail cells.[45] Amnesty International calls the Japanese police custody system a 'flagrant violation of United Nations human rights principles'.[46]

The confession rate is 95 per cent.[47] As a Tokyo police sergeant observes, 'It is no use to protest against power'.[48] Suspects are not allowed to read confessions before they sign them, and suspects commonly complain that their confession was altered after signature. The police use confession as their main investigative technique, and when that fails, they can become frustrated and angry.

The Tokyo Bar Association states that the police routinely 'engage in torture or illegal treatment'. The Tokyo Bar is particularly critical of the judiciary for its near-total disinterest in coercion during the confession process.

'Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions'.[49]

In Japan, the legal system is, in effect, an omnipotent and unitary state authority. All law enforcement administrators in Japan are appointed by the National Police Agency and receive their funding from the NPA. Hence, the police are insulated from complaints from politicians or other citizens.[50] There is hardly any check on the power of the state, save its own conscience.

What does the breadth of police powers have to do with gun controls? Japanese gun controls exist in a society where there is little need for guns for self-defense. Police powers make it difficult for owners of illegal guns to hide them. Most importantly, the Japanese criminal justice system is based on the Government possessing the inherent authority to do whatever it wishes. In a society where almost everyone accepts nearly limitless, unchecked Government power, people do not wish to own guns to resist oppression or to protect themselves in case the criminal justice system fails.

Extensive police authority is one reason the Japanese gun control system works.

 

[2aguy]

If there were no crime, there would be no need for guns now would there?

If there had been no guns last year in the U.S., there would have been 10,000 fewer gun deaths.

And if there had been no guns in the U.S. then there would have been 2 million more victims...on average........and those 10,000 fewer gun deaths would have been deaths by other means....

In what alternative universe? If there are no guns, there can be no gun deaths. And yes, there would likely have been deaths by other means. But there are no other deaths as efficient is death by gun. If you don't believe me, try killing someone with a knife. The fact remains that the nation with the lowest gun deaths (Japan) also has the lowest murder rate in the industrial world, and has the fewest guns in private hands.

If you want to understand the truth and reality of Japanese gun control...here you go...tell me you want these powers for American police officers......

Japanese Gun Control

III. A Police State

Illegal gun possession, like illegal drug possession, is a consensual offense. There is no victim to complain to the police. Accordingly, in order to find illegal guns, the Japanese police are given broad search and seizure powers. The basic firearms law permits a policeman to search a person's belongings if the officer judges there is 'sufficient suspicion that a person is carrying a fire-arm, a sword or a knife' or if he judges that a person 'is likely to endanger life or body of other persons judging reasonably from his abnormal behavior or any other surrounding circumstances'.[32] Once a weapon is found, the policeman may confiscate it. Even if the confiscation is later admitted to be an error, the firearm is sometimes not returned.[33](p.29)

In practice, the special law for weapons searches is not necessary, since the police routinely search at will. They ask suspicious characters to show them what is in their purse or sack.[34] In the rare cases where a policeman's search (for a gun or any other contraband) is ruled illegal, it hardly matters; the Japanese courts permit the use of illegally seized evidence.[35] And legal rules aside, Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much the more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police.[36]

'Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police...' explains the Japanese National Police Agency. In twice-a-year visit, officers fill out Residence Information Cards about who lives where and which family member to contact in case of emergency, what relation people in the house have to each other, what kind of work they do, if they work late, and what kind of cars they own.[37] The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure that no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.[38]

The close surveillance of gun owners and householders comports with the police tradition of keeping close tabs on many private activities.[39]For example, the nation's official year-end police report includes statistics like 'Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct'. The police recorded 9,402 such incidents in 1985, and determined that 37.4 per cent of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had sex 'voluntarily'. The two leading reasons for having sex voluntarily were 'out of curiosity' for 19.6 per cent, and 'liked particular boy', for 18.1 per cent.[40] The fact that police keep records on sex is simply a reflection of their keeping an eye on everything, including guns. Every person is the subject of a police dossier.[41]

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After the arrest, a suspect may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before the prosecutor brings the suspect before a judge.[42] Even after the 28 day period is completed, detention in a Japanese police station may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Rearrest on another charge, bekken taihö, is a common police tactic for starting the suspect on another 28 day interrogation process. 'Rearrest' may (p.30)occur while the suspect is still being held at the police station on the first charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge.[43] Courts approve 99.5 per cent of prosecutors' requests for detentions.[44]

Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a suspect in custody, and those meetings are strictly limited. In the months while a suspect is held prisoner, the defense counsel may see his or her client for one to five meetings lasting about 15 minutes each. Even that access will be denied if it hampers the police investigation. While under detention, suspects can be interrogated 12 hours a day, allowed to bathe only every fifth day, and may be prohibited from standing up, lying down, or leaning against the wall of their jail cells.[45] Amnesty International calls the Japanese police custody system a 'flagrant violation of United Nations human rights principles'.[46]

The confession rate is 95 per cent.[47] As a Tokyo police sergeant observes, 'It is no use to protest against power'.[48] Suspects are not allowed to read confessions before they sign them, and suspects commonly complain that their confession was altered after signature. The police use confession as their main investigative technique, and when that fails, they can become frustrated and angry.

The Tokyo Bar Association states that the police routinely 'engage in torture or illegal treatment'. The Tokyo Bar is particularly critical of the judiciary for its near-total disinterest in coercion during the confession process.

'Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions'.[49]

In Japan, the legal system is, in effect, an omnipotent and unitary state authority. All law enforcement administrators in Japan are appointed by the National Police Agency and receive their funding from the NPA. Hence, the police are insulated from complaints from politicians or other citizens.[50] There is hardly any check on the power of the state, save its own conscience.

What does the breadth of police powers have to do with gun controls? Japanese gun controls exist in a society where there is little need for guns for self-defense. Police powers make it difficult for owners of illegal guns to hide them. Most importantly, the Japanese criminal justice system is based on the Government possessing the inherent authority to do whatever it wishes. In a society where almost everyone accepts nearly limitless, unchecked Government power, people do not wish to own guns to resist oppression or to protect themselves in case the criminal justice system fails.

Extensive police authority is one reason the Japanese gun control system works.

And not having such extensive police authority wrt guns is why gun control doesn't work here.

Do you want to be tortured by police so they can convict you....and have your lawyer be more concerned about offending the police, the prosecutor and the judge and not too concerned about your innocence.....?

 

[Brain357]

No not wrong that is about how many criminals are killed each year.

2 million is a fantasy number not supported by anything in reality. Everything in the real world makes it clear that number is false. Also the vast majority of gun studies say it is far less. The most accurate NCVS study says 108k.

No...you said shot and killed....there are many more criminals shot...and even more driven off......without being shot....

And brain...you keep showing that you aren't bright...the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a defensive gun study....and in fact does not ask people if they used a gun for self defense...you gun grabbers have to cling to it tighter than a bible or a gun because it is the only study that puts the number that low....no other study puts the number below 764,000 and the average of non military, non police, civilian self defense with guns is 2 million a year....

Your gun studies prove how inaccurate a gun study is. They range from 500k to 3.6 million. If they were accurate they would all arrive at a similar number.

Brain....the studies are compelling because of the length of time they cover, the number of different researchers and the fact that many of those researchers were anti gun researchers...which would afffect their numbers.....


And not one of them is under 764,000...that I have access to......and the obama CDC study from 2013...an anti gun study...as you point out shows all the research they had access to...which is far more than me.......was 500,000 or more....the extent of the research shows you are wrong brain.....

All your studies have been debunked. They are filled with false positives. Since the majority of studies are below your 2 million it makes no sense to claim that number. Your own studies counter that claim. Just like your own studies prove how inaccurate they are.

The CDC did not estimate dgu. I have corrected you on that many times. Stop lying.

What stat from reality supports your fantasy numbers?

I never said they did Brain...they studied all the research out there...please read more slowly, you will make fewer dumb mistakes........they studied all the current gun research...and they came out with those numbers...and spent 10 million dollars to do it too......

I average the numbers of the studies to get a more accurate number....and that number for civilian only gun self defense is 2 million a year....

Anyone can read those studies if they want ......

They didn't arrive at a number they just stated what other studies had found. And they included the ncvs.

You have arrived at a number which is more wrong. The vast majority of your own studies say your estimate is way too high.

Nothing in the real world supports your fantasy numbers.

 

[2aguy]

No...you said shot and killed....there are many more criminals shot...and even more driven off......without being shot....

And brain...you keep showing that you aren't bright...the National Crime Victimization Survey is not a defensive gun study....and in fact does not ask people if they used a gun for self defense...you gun grabbers have to cling to it tighter than a bible or a gun because it is the only study that puts the number that low....no other study puts the number below 764,000 and the average of non military, non police, civilian self defense with guns is 2 million a year....

Your gun studies prove how inaccurate a gun study is. They range from 500k to 3.6 million. If they were accurate they would all arrive at a similar number.

Brain....the studies are compelling because of the length of time they cover, the number of different researchers and the fact that many of those researchers were anti gun researchers...which would afffect their numbers.....


And not one of them is under 764,000...that I have access to......and the obama CDC study from 2013...an anti gun study...as you point out shows all the research they had access to...which is far more than me.......was 500,000 or more....the extent of the research shows you are wrong brain.....

All your studies have been debunked. They are filled with false positives. Since the majority of studies are below your 2 million it makes no sense to claim that number. Your own studies counter that claim. Just like your own studies prove how inaccurate they are.

The CDC did not estimate dgu. I have corrected you on that many times. Stop lying.

What stat from reality supports your fantasy numbers?

I never said they did Brain...they studied all the research out there...please read more slowly, you will make fewer dumb mistakes........they studied all the current gun research...and they came out with those numbers...and spent 10 million dollars to do it too......

I average the numbers of the studies to get a more accurate number....and that number for civilian only gun self defense is 2 million a year....

Anyone can read those studies if they want ......

They didn't arrive at a number they just stated what other studies had found. And they included the ncvs.

You have arrived at a number which is more wrong. The vast majority of your own studies say your estimate is way too high.

Nothing in the real world supports your fantasy numbers.

Brain...my number is in the middle.....so it is neither the highest or lowest number found...therefore it is not a fantasy number..there are studies that found more and studies that found less.....and they were done by different researchers over 40 years....my number is the average number of defensive gun uses each year....2 million....


And I am out......

 

[Brain357]

Your gun studies prove how inaccurate a gun study is. They range from 500k to 3.6 million. If they were accurate they would all arrive at a similar number.

Brain....the studies are compelling because of the length of time they cover, the number of different researchers and the fact that many of those researchers were anti gun researchers...which would afffect their numbers.....


And not one of them is under 764,000...that I have access to......and the obama CDC study from 2013...an anti gun study...as you point out shows all the research they had access to...which is far more than me.......was 500,000 or more....the extent of the research shows you are wrong brain.....

All your studies have been debunked. They are filled with false positives. Since the majority of studies are below your 2 million it makes no sense to claim that number. Your own studies counter that claim. Just like your own studies prove how inaccurate they are.

The CDC did not estimate dgu. I have corrected you on that many times. Stop lying.

What stat from reality supports your fantasy numbers?

I never said they did Brain...they studied all the research out there...please read more slowly, you will make fewer dumb mistakes........they studied all the current gun research...and they came out with those numbers...and spent 10 million dollars to do it too......

I average the numbers of the studies to get a more accurate number....and that number for civilian only gun self defense is 2 million a year....

Anyone can read those studies if they want ......

They didn't arrive at a number they just stated what other studies had found. And they included the ncvs.

You have arrived at a number which is more wrong. The vast majority of your own studies say your estimate is way too high.

Nothing in the real world supports your fantasy numbers.

Brain...my number is in the middle.....so it is neither the highest or lowest number found...therefore it is not a fantasy number..there are studies that found more and studies that found less.....and they were done by different researchers over 40 years....my number is the average number of defensive gun uses each year....2 million....


And I am out......

Average isn't in the middle dumb dumb. You took highly inaccurate surveys and averaged them making a more inaccurate fantasy number. Again the vast majority of your own studies counter your claim. Your number is complete fantasy.

I won't even get into how crime has fallen 30% since most of your very old surveys were done. Fewer crimes mean fewer defenses obviously.

 

[orogenicman]

If there had been no guns last year in the U.S., there would have been 10,000 fewer gun deaths.

And if there had been no guns in the U.S. then there would have been 2 million more victims...on average........and those 10,000 fewer gun deaths would have been deaths by other means....

In what alternative universe? If there are no guns, there can be no gun deaths. And yes, there would likely have been deaths by other means. But there are no other deaths as efficient is death by gun. If you don't believe me, try killing someone with a knife. The fact remains that the nation with the lowest gun deaths (Japan) also has the lowest murder rate in the industrial world, and has the fewest guns in private hands.

If you want to understand the truth and reality of Japanese gun control...here you go...tell me you want these powers for American police officers......

Japanese Gun Control

III. A Police State

Illegal gun possession, like illegal drug possession, is a consensual offense. There is no victim to complain to the police. Accordingly, in order to find illegal guns, the Japanese police are given broad search and seizure powers. The basic firearms law permits a policeman to search a person's belongings if the officer judges there is 'sufficient suspicion that a person is carrying a fire-arm, a sword or a knife' or if he judges that a person 'is likely to endanger life or body of other persons judging reasonably from his abnormal behavior or any other surrounding circumstances'.[32] Once a weapon is found, the policeman may confiscate it. Even if the confiscation is later admitted to be an error, the firearm is sometimes not returned.[33](p.29)

In practice, the special law for weapons searches is not necessary, since the police routinely search at will. They ask suspicious characters to show them what is in their purse or sack.[34] In the rare cases where a policeman's search (for a gun or any other contraband) is ruled illegal, it hardly matters; the Japanese courts permit the use of illegally seized evidence.[35] And legal rules aside, Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much the more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police.[36]

'Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police...' explains the Japanese National Police Agency. In twice-a-year visit, officers fill out Residence Information Cards about who lives where and which family member to contact in case of emergency, what relation people in the house have to each other, what kind of work they do, if they work late, and what kind of cars they own.[37] The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure that no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.[38]

The close surveillance of gun owners and householders comports with the police tradition of keeping close tabs on many private activities.[39]For example, the nation's official year-end police report includes statistics like 'Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct'. The police recorded 9,402 such incidents in 1985, and determined that 37.4 per cent of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had sex 'voluntarily'. The two leading reasons for having sex voluntarily were 'out of curiosity' for 19.6 per cent, and 'liked particular boy', for 18.1 per cent.[40] The fact that police keep records on sex is simply a reflection of their keeping an eye on everything, including guns. Every person is the subject of a police dossier.[41]

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After the arrest, a suspect may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before the prosecutor brings the suspect before a judge.[42] Even after the 28 day period is completed, detention in a Japanese police station may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Rearrest on another charge, bekken taihö, is a common police tactic for starting the suspect on another 28 day interrogation process. 'Rearrest' may (p.30)occur while the suspect is still being held at the police station on the first charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge.[43] Courts approve 99.5 per cent of prosecutors' requests for detentions.[44]

Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a suspect in custody, and those meetings are strictly limited. In the months while a suspect is held prisoner, the defense counsel may see his or her client for one to five meetings lasting about 15 minutes each. Even that access will be denied if it hampers the police investigation. While under detention, suspects can be interrogated 12 hours a day, allowed to bathe only every fifth day, and may be prohibited from standing up, lying down, or leaning against the wall of their jail cells.[45] Amnesty International calls the Japanese police custody system a 'flagrant violation of United Nations human rights principles'.[46]

The confession rate is 95 per cent.[47] As a Tokyo police sergeant observes, 'It is no use to protest against power'.[48] Suspects are not allowed to read confessions before they sign them, and suspects commonly complain that their confession was altered after signature. The police use confession as their main investigative technique, and when that fails, they can become frustrated and angry.

The Tokyo Bar Association states that the police routinely 'engage in torture or illegal treatment'. The Tokyo Bar is particularly critical of the judiciary for its near-total disinterest in coercion during the confession process.

'Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions'.[49]

In Japan, the legal system is, in effect, an omnipotent and unitary state authority. All law enforcement administrators in Japan are appointed by the National Police Agency and receive their funding from the NPA. Hence, the police are insulated from complaints from politicians or other citizens.[50] There is hardly any check on the power of the state, save its own conscience.

What does the breadth of police powers have to do with gun controls? Japanese gun controls exist in a society where there is little need for guns for self-defense. Police powers make it difficult for owners of illegal guns to hide them. Most importantly, the Japanese criminal justice system is based on the Government possessing the inherent authority to do whatever it wishes. In a society where almost everyone accepts nearly limitless, unchecked Government power, people do not wish to own guns to resist oppression or to protect themselves in case the criminal justice system fails.

Extensive police authority is one reason the Japanese gun control system works.

And not having such extensive police authority wrt guns is why gun control doesn't work here.

Do you want to be tortured by police so they can convict you....and have your lawyer be more concerned about offending the police, the prosecutor and the judge and not too concerned about your innocence.....?

Fear tactics only work on people who have no first hand knowledge. Have you ever been to Japan? Ever? I don't believe you have. Japan has a conservative culture, but a liberal government. They don't torture their people, and haven't for a very long time.

 

[2aguy]

And if there had been no guns in the U.S. then there would have been 2 million more victims...on average........and those 10,000 fewer gun deaths would have been deaths by other means....

In what alternative universe? If there are no guns, there can be no gun deaths. And yes, there would likely have been deaths by other means. But there are no other deaths as efficient is death by gun. If you don't believe me, try killing someone with a knife. The fact remains that the nation with the lowest gun deaths (Japan) also has the lowest murder rate in the industrial world, and has the fewest guns in private hands.

If you want to understand the truth and reality of Japanese gun control...here you go...tell me you want these powers for American police officers......

Japanese Gun Control

III. A Police State

Illegal gun possession, like illegal drug possession, is a consensual offense. There is no victim to complain to the police. Accordingly, in order to find illegal guns, the Japanese police are given broad search and seizure powers. The basic firearms law permits a policeman to search a person's belongings if the officer judges there is 'sufficient suspicion that a person is carrying a fire-arm, a sword or a knife' or if he judges that a person 'is likely to endanger life or body of other persons judging reasonably from his abnormal behavior or any other surrounding circumstances'.[32] Once a weapon is found, the policeman may confiscate it. Even if the confiscation is later admitted to be an error, the firearm is sometimes not returned.[33](p.29)

In practice, the special law for weapons searches is not necessary, since the police routinely search at will. They ask suspicious characters to show them what is in their purse or sack.[34] In the rare cases where a policeman's search (for a gun or any other contraband) is ruled illegal, it hardly matters; the Japanese courts permit the use of illegally seized evidence.[35] And legal rules aside, Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much the more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police.[36]

'Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police...' explains the Japanese National Police Agency. In twice-a-year visit, officers fill out Residence Information Cards about who lives where and which family member to contact in case of emergency, what relation people in the house have to each other, what kind of work they do, if they work late, and what kind of cars they own.[37] The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure that no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.[38]

The close surveillance of gun owners and householders comports with the police tradition of keeping close tabs on many private activities.[39]For example, the nation's official year-end police report includes statistics like 'Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct'. The police recorded 9,402 such incidents in 1985, and determined that 37.4 per cent of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had sex 'voluntarily'. The two leading reasons for having sex voluntarily were 'out of curiosity' for 19.6 per cent, and 'liked particular boy', for 18.1 per cent.[40] The fact that police keep records on sex is simply a reflection of their keeping an eye on everything, including guns. Every person is the subject of a police dossier.[41]

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After the arrest, a suspect may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before the prosecutor brings the suspect before a judge.[42] Even after the 28 day period is completed, detention in a Japanese police station may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Rearrest on another charge, bekken taihö, is a common police tactic for starting the suspect on another 28 day interrogation process. 'Rearrest' may (p.30)occur while the suspect is still being held at the police station on the first charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge.[43] Courts approve 99.5 per cent of prosecutors' requests for detentions.[44]

Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a suspect in custody, and those meetings are strictly limited. In the months while a suspect is held prisoner, the defense counsel may see his or her client for one to five meetings lasting about 15 minutes each. Even that access will be denied if it hampers the police investigation. While under detention, suspects can be interrogated 12 hours a day, allowed to bathe only every fifth day, and may be prohibited from standing up, lying down, or leaning against the wall of their jail cells.[45] Amnesty International calls the Japanese police custody system a 'flagrant violation of United Nations human rights principles'.[46]

The confession rate is 95 per cent.[47] As a Tokyo police sergeant observes, 'It is no use to protest against power'.[48] Suspects are not allowed to read confessions before they sign them, and suspects commonly complain that their confession was altered after signature. The police use confession as their main investigative technique, and when that fails, they can become frustrated and angry.

The Tokyo Bar Association states that the police routinely 'engage in torture or illegal treatment'. The Tokyo Bar is particularly critical of the judiciary for its near-total disinterest in coercion during the confession process.

'Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions'.[49]

In Japan, the legal system is, in effect, an omnipotent and unitary state authority. All law enforcement administrators in Japan are appointed by the National Police Agency and receive their funding from the NPA. Hence, the police are insulated from complaints from politicians or other citizens.[50] There is hardly any check on the power of the state, save its own conscience.

What does the breadth of police powers have to do with gun controls? Japanese gun controls exist in a society where there is little need for guns for self-defense. Police powers make it difficult for owners of illegal guns to hide them. Most importantly, the Japanese criminal justice system is based on the Government possessing the inherent authority to do whatever it wishes. In a society where almost everyone accepts nearly limitless, unchecked Government power, people do not wish to own guns to resist oppression or to protect themselves in case the criminal justice system fails.

Extensive police authority is one reason the Japanese gun control system works.

And not having such extensive police authority wrt guns is why gun control doesn't work here.

Do you want to be tortured by police so they can convict you....and have your lawyer be more concerned about offending the police, the prosecutor and the judge and not too concerned about your innocence.....?

Fear tactics only work on people who have no first hand knowledge. Have you ever been to Japan? Ever? I don't believe you have. Japan has a conservative culture, but a liberal government. They don't torture their people, and haven't for a very long time.

yeah, right....

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[paddymurphy]

Only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. So you are twice as likely to be accidently shot and killed than to kill a criminal. Also more likely to be accidentally shot and killed than killed by a criminal in a home invasion. And with 17000 accidental shootings each year you are twice as likely to be accidently shot as intentionally killed.

Wrong brain...230 criminals killed....many more are shot...most are driven off and aren't counted...since no shots were fired....

And the average number of times Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives...2 million...that is quite a bit more than injuries and accidents...which would be (using your 17,000) 17,000 non fatal accidents with guns and only 505 accidental gun deaths

And those 505 accidents...come from over 320 million guns in private hands in 90 million homes with over 11.1 million people actually carrying guns for self defense.....so you point brain is...pointless........millions of people with access to guns, 90 million....and only 505 killed in accidents......and 2 million people using them to stop criminals....a win win....

The 2 million # is a completely made up number based on nothing.

Actually, as a gun grabber...you are wrong.....the 2 million number is based on 40 years of research...over 19 studies on the topic of using guns for self defense done by separate researchers in criminology and economics, both public and private studies, and many of the studies done by anti gun researchers...including the famous Dr. Gary Kleck who was anti gun when he did his famous research....

It is bullshit.

Right on time....emote...not reason.....or proof......should I start the countdown where you use the words "Fetish", "Penis" or "compensating"?

The two

 

[paddymurphy]

The two million number is based on one survey from 1993. " In 1992, Gary Kleck and Marc Getz, criminologists at Florida State University, conducted a random digit-dial survey to establish the annual number of defensive gun uses in the United States. They surveyed 5,000 individuals, asking them if they had used a firearm in self-defense in the past year and, if so, for what reason and to what effect. Sixty-six incidences of defensive gun use were reported from the sample. The researchers then extrapolated their findings to the entire U.S. population, resulting in an estimate of between 1 million and 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year." It has been thoroughly debunked as a completely unscientific poll. You don't lie very well.

 

[paddymurphy]

Only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. So you are twice as likely to be accidently shot and killed than to kill a criminal. Also more likely to be accidentally shot and killed than killed by a criminal in a home invasion. And with 17000 accidental shootings each year you are twice as likely to be accidently shot as intentionally killed.

Wrong brain...230 criminals killed....many more are shot...most are driven off and aren't counted...since no shots were fired....

And the average number of times Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives...2 million...that is quite a bit more than injuries and accidents...which would be (using your 17,000) 17,000 non fatal accidents with guns and only 505 accidental gun deaths

And those 505 accidents...come from over 320 million guns in private hands in 90 million homes with over 11.1 million people actually carrying guns for self defense.....so you point brain is...pointless........millions of people with access to guns, 90 million....and only 505 killed in accidents......and 2 million people using them to stop criminals....a win win....

The 2 million # is a completely made up number based on nothing.

Actually, as a gun grabber...you are wrong.....the 2 million number is based on 40 years of research...over 19 studies on the topic of using guns for self defense done by separate researchers in criminology and economics, both public and private studies, and many of the studies done by anti gun researchers...including the famous Dr. Gary Kleck who was anti gun when he did his famous research....

The majority of your own flawed surveys say it is much lower.

They aren't my surveys brain...they were conducted by actual researchers...in criminology, economics and executed by professional researchers........

Survey. Singular. By two researchers whose methods were invalid. M

 

[paddymurphy]

Only 230 criminals shot and killed each year. So you are twice as likely to be accidently shot and killed than to kill a criminal. Also more likely to be accidentally shot and killed than killed by a criminal in a home invasion. And with 17000 accidental shootings each year you are twice as likely to be accidently shot as intentionally killed.

Wrong brain...230 criminals killed....many more are shot...most are driven off and aren't counted...since no shots were fired....

And the average number of times Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives...2 million...that is quite a bit more than injuries and accidents...which would be (using your 17,000) 17,000 non fatal accidents with guns and only 505 accidental gun deaths

And those 505 accidents...come from over 320 million guns in private hands in 90 million homes with over 11.1 million people actually carrying guns for self defense.....so you point brain is...pointless........millions of people with access to guns, 90 million....and only 505 killed in accidents......and 2 million people using them to stop criminals....a win win....

The 2 million # is a completely made up number based on nothing.

Actually, as a gun grabber...you are wrong.....the 2 million number is based on 40 years of research...over 19 studies on the topic of using guns for self defense done by separate researchers in criminology and economics, both public and private studies, and many of the studies done by anti gun researchers...including the famous Dr. Gary Kleck who was anti gun when he did his famous research....

It is bullshit.

Right on time....emote...not reason.....or proof......should I start the countdown where you use the words "Fetish", "Penis" or "compensating"?

Here's proof. "These sorts of biases, which are inherent in reporting self-defense incidents, can lead to nonsensical results. In several crime categories, for example, gun owners would have to protect themselves more than 100 percent of the time for Kleck and Getz’s estimates to make sense. For example, guns were allegedly used in self-defense in 845,000 burglaries, according to Kleck and Getz. However, from reliable victimization surveys, we know that there were fewer than 1.3 million burglaries where someone was in the home at the time of the crime, and only 33 percent of these had occupants who weren’t sleeping. From surveys on firearm ownership, we also know that 42 percent of U.S. households owned firearms at the time of the survey. Even if burglars only rob houses of gun owners, and those gun owners use their weapons in self-defense every single time they are awake, the 845,000 statistic cited in Kleck and Gertz’s paper is simply mathematically impossible." Armedwithreason.com.

 

[orogenicman]

In what alternative universe? If there are no guns, there can be no gun deaths. And yes, there would likely have been deaths by other means. But there are no other deaths as efficient is death by gun. If you don't believe me, try killing someone with a knife. The fact remains that the nation with the lowest gun deaths (Japan) also has the lowest murder rate in the industrial world, and has the fewest guns in private hands.

If you want to understand the truth and reality of Japanese gun control...here you go...tell me you want these powers for American police officers......

Japanese Gun Control

III. A Police State

Illegal gun possession, like illegal drug possession, is a consensual offense. There is no victim to complain to the police. Accordingly, in order to find illegal guns, the Japanese police are given broad search and seizure powers. The basic firearms law permits a policeman to search a person's belongings if the officer judges there is 'sufficient suspicion that a person is carrying a fire-arm, a sword or a knife' or if he judges that a person 'is likely to endanger life or body of other persons judging reasonably from his abnormal behavior or any other surrounding circumstances'.[32] Once a weapon is found, the policeman may confiscate it. Even if the confiscation is later admitted to be an error, the firearm is sometimes not returned.[33](p.29)

In practice, the special law for weapons searches is not necessary, since the police routinely search at will. They ask suspicious characters to show them what is in their purse or sack.[34] In the rare cases where a policeman's search (for a gun or any other contraband) is ruled illegal, it hardly matters; the Japanese courts permit the use of illegally seized evidence.[35] And legal rules aside, Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much the more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police.[36]

'Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police...' explains the Japanese National Police Agency. In twice-a-year visit, officers fill out Residence Information Cards about who lives where and which family member to contact in case of emergency, what relation people in the house have to each other, what kind of work they do, if they work late, and what kind of cars they own.[37] The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure that no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.[38]

The close surveillance of gun owners and householders comports with the police tradition of keeping close tabs on many private activities.[39]For example, the nation's official year-end police report includes statistics like 'Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct'. The police recorded 9,402 such incidents in 1985, and determined that 37.4 per cent of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had sex 'voluntarily'. The two leading reasons for having sex voluntarily were 'out of curiosity' for 19.6 per cent, and 'liked particular boy', for 18.1 per cent.[40] The fact that police keep records on sex is simply a reflection of their keeping an eye on everything, including guns. Every person is the subject of a police dossier.[41]

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*****************************


After the arrest, a suspect may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before the prosecutor brings the suspect before a judge.[42] Even after the 28 day period is completed, detention in a Japanese police station may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Rearrest on another charge, bekken taihö, is a common police tactic for starting the suspect on another 28 day interrogation process. 'Rearrest' may (p.30)occur while the suspect is still being held at the police station on the first charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge.[43] Courts approve 99.5 per cent of prosecutors' requests for detentions.[44]

Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a suspect in custody, and those meetings are strictly limited. In the months while a suspect is held prisoner, the defense counsel may see his or her client for one to five meetings lasting about 15 minutes each. Even that access will be denied if it hampers the police investigation. While under detention, suspects can be interrogated 12 hours a day, allowed to bathe only every fifth day, and may be prohibited from standing up, lying down, or leaning against the wall of their jail cells.[45] Amnesty International calls the Japanese police custody system a 'flagrant violation of United Nations human rights principles'.[46]

The confession rate is 95 per cent.[47] As a Tokyo police sergeant observes, 'It is no use to protest against power'.[48] Suspects are not allowed to read confessions before they sign them, and suspects commonly complain that their confession was altered after signature. The police use confession as their main investigative technique, and when that fails, they can become frustrated and angry.

The Tokyo Bar Association states that the police routinely 'engage in torture or illegal treatment'. The Tokyo Bar is particularly critical of the judiciary for its near-total disinterest in coercion during the confession process.

'Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions'.[49]

In Japan, the legal system is, in effect, an omnipotent and unitary state authority. All law enforcement administrators in Japan are appointed by the National Police Agency and receive their funding from the NPA. Hence, the police are insulated from complaints from politicians or other citizens.[50] There is hardly any check on the power of the state, save its own conscience.

What does the breadth of police powers have to do with gun controls? Japanese gun controls exist in a society where there is little need for guns for self-defense. Police powers make it difficult for owners of illegal guns to hide them. Most importantly, the Japanese criminal justice system is based on the Government possessing the inherent authority to do whatever it wishes. In a society where almost everyone accepts nearly limitless, unchecked Government power, people do not wish to own guns to resist oppression or to protect themselves in case the criminal justice system fails.

Extensive police authority is one reason the Japanese gun control system works.

And not having such extensive police authority wrt guns is why gun control doesn't work here.

Do you want to be tortured by police so they can convict you....and have your lawyer be more concerned about offending the police, the prosecutor and the judge and not too concerned about your innocence.....?

Fear tactics only work on people who have no first hand knowledge. Have you ever been to Japan? Ever? I don't believe you have. Japan has a conservative culture, but a liberal government. They don't torture their people, and haven't for a very long time.

yeah, right....

7 Brutal Realities regarding Arrest in Japan Gaijinass

Really? You are basing your claims on a blog that contains no statistics from any reputable organization? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

 

[2aguy]

Brain....the studies are compelling because of the length of time they cover, the number of different researchers and the fact that many of those researchers were anti gun researchers...which would afffect their numbers.....


And not one of them is under 764,000...that I have access to......and the obama CDC study from 2013...an anti gun study...as you point out shows all the research they had access to...which is far more than me.......was 500,000 or more....the extent of the research shows you are wrong brain.....

All your studies have been debunked. They are filled with false positives. Since the majority of studies are below your 2 million it makes no sense to claim that number. Your own studies counter that claim. Just like your own studies prove how inaccurate they are.

The CDC did not estimate dgu. I have corrected you on that many times. Stop lying.

What stat from reality supports your fantasy numbers?

I never said they did Brain...they studied all the research out there...please read more slowly, you will make fewer dumb mistakes........they studied all the current gun research...and they came out with those numbers...and spent 10 million dollars to do it too......

I average the numbers of the studies to get a more accurate number....and that number for civilian only gun self defense is 2 million a year....

Anyone can read those studies if they want ......

They didn't arrive at a number they just stated what other studies had found. And they included the ncvs.

You have arrived at a number which is more wrong. The vast majority of your own studies say your estimate is way too high.

Nothing in the real world supports your fantasy numbers.

Brain...my number is in the middle.....so it is neither the highest or lowest number found...therefore it is not a fantasy number..there are studies that found more and studies that found less.....and they were done by different researchers over 40 years....my number is the average number of defensive gun uses each year....2 million....


And I am out......

Average isn't in the middle dumb dumb. You took highly inaccurate surveys and averaged them making a more inaccurate fantasy number. Again the vast majority of your own studies counter your claim. Your number is complete fantasy.

I won't even get into how crime has fallen 30% since most of your very old surveys were done. Fewer crimes mean fewer defenses obviously.

The two million number is based on one survey from 1993. " In 1992, Gary Kleck and Marc Getz, criminologists at Florida State University, conducted a random digit-dial survey to establish the annual number of defensive gun uses in the United States. They surveyed 5,000 individuals, asking them if they had used a firearm in self-defense in the past year and, if so, for what reason and to what effect. Sixty-six incidences of defensive gun use were reported from the sample. The researchers then extrapolated their findings to the entire U.S. population, resulting in an estimate of between 1 million and 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year." It has been thoroughly debunked as a completely unscientific poll. You don't lie very well.

No it isn't......take the 10 non military, non police surveys and average them...you get 2 million...I don't lie moron.....and Kleck's research has never been debunked....the gun grabbers say "I debunk thee" thinking that is all it takes to discredit his work...but they haven't touched his methods. And of course his isn't the only research is it moron..........look at the actual number of studies....16 cited in just his paper and I listed all of those....so, moron......you are wrong.....and even the anti gun clinton Justice Dept. survey...also listed moron....and not kleck's research, put the number at 1.5 million....moron....and they weren't pro gun guys...they were anti gun guys who did that one....moron.....

 

[paddymurphy]

If you want to understand the truth and reality of Japanese gun control...here you go...tell me you want these powers for American police officers......

Japanese Gun Control

III. A Police State

Illegal gun possession, like illegal drug possession, is a consensual offense. There is no victim to complain to the police. Accordingly, in order to find illegal guns, the Japanese police are given broad search and seizure powers. The basic firearms law permits a policeman to search a person's belongings if the officer judges there is 'sufficient suspicion that a person is carrying a fire-arm, a sword or a knife' or if he judges that a person 'is likely to endanger life or body of other persons judging reasonably from his abnormal behavior or any other surrounding circumstances'.[32] Once a weapon is found, the policeman may confiscate it. Even if the confiscation is later admitted to be an error, the firearm is sometimes not returned.[33](p.29)

In practice, the special law for weapons searches is not necessary, since the police routinely search at will. They ask suspicious characters to show them what is in their purse or sack.[34] In the rare cases where a policeman's search (for a gun or any other contraband) is ruled illegal, it hardly matters; the Japanese courts permit the use of illegally seized evidence.[35] And legal rules aside, Japanese, both criminals and ordinary citizens, are much the more willing than their American counterparts to consent to searches and to answer questions from the police.[36]

'Home visit is one of the most important duties of officers assigned to police...' explains the Japanese National Police Agency. In twice-a-year visit, officers fill out Residence Information Cards about who lives where and which family member to contact in case of emergency, what relation people in the house have to each other, what kind of work they do, if they work late, and what kind of cars they own.[37] The police also check on all gun licensees, to make sure that no gun has been stolen or misused, that the gun is securely stored, and that the licensees are emotionally stable.[38]

The close surveillance of gun owners and householders comports with the police tradition of keeping close tabs on many private activities.[39]For example, the nation's official year-end police report includes statistics like 'Background and Motives for Girls' Sexual Misconduct'. The police recorded 9,402 such incidents in 1985, and determined that 37.4 per cent of the girls had been seduced, and the rest had sex 'voluntarily'. The two leading reasons for having sex voluntarily were 'out of curiosity' for 19.6 per cent, and 'liked particular boy', for 18.1 per cent.[40] The fact that police keep records on sex is simply a reflection of their keeping an eye on everything, including guns. Every person is the subject of a police dossier.[41]

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*****************************


After the arrest, a suspect may be detained without bail for up to 28 days before the prosecutor brings the suspect before a judge.[42] Even after the 28 day period is completed, detention in a Japanese police station may continue on a variety of pretexts, such as preventing the defendant from destroying evidence. Rearrest on another charge, bekken taihö, is a common police tactic for starting the suspect on another 28 day interrogation process. 'Rearrest' may (p.30)occur while the suspect is still being held at the police station on the first charge. Some defendants may be held for several months without ever being brought before a judge.[43] Courts approve 99.5 per cent of prosecutors' requests for detentions.[44]

Criminal defense lawyers are the only people allowed to visit a suspect in custody, and those meetings are strictly limited. In the months while a suspect is held prisoner, the defense counsel may see his or her client for one to five meetings lasting about 15 minutes each. Even that access will be denied if it hampers the police investigation. While under detention, suspects can be interrogated 12 hours a day, allowed to bathe only every fifth day, and may be prohibited from standing up, lying down, or leaning against the wall of their jail cells.[45] Amnesty International calls the Japanese police custody system a 'flagrant violation of United Nations human rights principles'.[46]

The confession rate is 95 per cent.[47] As a Tokyo police sergeant observes, 'It is no use to protest against power'.[48] Suspects are not allowed to read confessions before they sign them, and suspects commonly complain that their confession was altered after signature. The police use confession as their main investigative technique, and when that fails, they can become frustrated and angry.

The Tokyo Bar Association states that the police routinely 'engage in torture or illegal treatment'. The Tokyo Bar is particularly critical of the judiciary for its near-total disinterest in coercion during the confession process.

'Even in cases where suspects claimed to have been tortured and their bodies bore physical traces to back their claims, courts have still accepted their confessions'.[49]

In Japan, the legal system is, in effect, an omnipotent and unitary state authority. All law enforcement administrators in Japan are appointed by the National Police Agency and receive their funding from the NPA. Hence, the police are insulated from complaints from politicians or other citizens.[50] There is hardly any check on the power of the state, save its own conscience.

What does the breadth of police powers have to do with gun controls? Japanese gun controls exist in a society where there is little need for guns for self-defense. Police powers make it difficult for owners of illegal guns to hide them. Most importantly, the Japanese criminal justice system is based on the Government possessing the inherent authority to do whatever it wishes. In a society where almost everyone accepts nearly limitless, unchecked Government power, people do not wish to own guns to resist oppression or to protect themselves in case the criminal justice system fails.

Extensive police authority is one reason the Japanese gun control system works.

And not having such extensive police authority wrt guns is why gun control doesn't work here.

Do you want to be tortured by police so they can convict you....and have your lawyer be more concerned about offending the police, the prosecutor and the judge and not too concerned about your innocence.....?

Fear tactics only work on people who have no first hand knowledge. Have you ever been to Japan? Ever? I don't believe you have. Japan has a conservative culture, but a liberal government. They don't torture their people, and haven't for a very long time.

yeah, right....

7 Brutal Realities regarding Arrest in Japan Gaijinass

Really? You are basing your claims on a blog that contains no statistics from any reputable organization? Sorry, I'm not buying it.

It cites the numbers used by those claiming the fictional 2 mill defensive uses. It proves that those numbers are impossible.

 

[paddymurphy]

All your studies have been debunked. They are filled with false positives. Since the majority of studies are below your 2 million it makes no sense to claim that number. Your own studies counter that claim. Just like your own studies prove how inaccurate they are.

The CDC did not estimate dgu. I have corrected you on that many times. Stop lying.

What stat from reality supports your fantasy numbers?

I never said they did Brain...they studied all the research out there...please read more slowly, you will make fewer dumb mistakes........they studied all the current gun research...and they came out with those numbers...and spent 10 million dollars to do it too......

I average the numbers of the studies to get a more accurate number....and that number for civilian only gun self defense is 2 million a year....

Anyone can read those studies if they want ......

They didn't arrive at a number they just stated what other studies had found. And they included the ncvs.

You have arrived at a number which is more wrong. The vast majority of your own studies say your estimate is way too high.

Nothing in the real world supports your fantasy numbers.

Brain...my number is in the middle.....so it is neither the highest or lowest number found...therefore it is not a fantasy number..there are studies that found more and studies that found less.....and they were done by different researchers over 40 years....my number is the average number of defensive gun uses each year....2 million....


And I am out......

Average isn't in the middle dumb dumb. You took highly inaccurate surveys and averaged them making a more inaccurate fantasy number. Again the vast majority of your own studies counter your claim. Your number is complete fantasy.

I won't even get into how crime has fallen 30% since most of your very old surveys were done. Fewer crimes mean fewer defenses obviously.

The two million number is based on one survey from 1993. " In 1992, Gary Kleck and Marc Getz, criminologists at Florida State University, conducted a random digit-dial survey to establish the annual number of defensive gun uses in the United States. They surveyed 5,000 individuals, asking them if they had used a firearm in self-defense in the past year and, if so, for what reason and to what effect. Sixty-six incidences of defensive gun use were reported from the sample. The researchers then extrapolated their findings to the entire U.S. population, resulting in an estimate of between 1 million and 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year." It has been thoroughly debunked as a completely unscientific poll. You don't lie very well.

No it isn't......take the 10 non military, non police surveys and average them...you get 2 million...I don't lie moron.....and Kleck's research has never been debunked....the gun grabbers say "I debunk thee" thinking that is all it takes to discredit his work...but they haven't touched his methods. And of course his isn't the only research is it moron..........look at the actual number of studies....16 cited in just his paper and I listed all of those....so, moron......you are wrong.....and even the anti gun clinton Justice Dept. survey...also listed moron....and not kleck's research, put the number at 1.5 million....moron....and they weren't pro gun guys...they were anti gun guys who did that one....moron.....

Do you have Tourette's?

 

[2aguy]

Wrong brain...230 criminals killed....many more are shot...most are driven off and aren't counted...since no shots were fired....

And the average number of times Americans use guns to stop or prevent violent criminal attack and save lives...2 million...that is quite a bit more than injuries and accidents...which would be (using your 17,000) 17,000 non fatal accidents with guns and only 505 accidental gun deaths

And those 505 accidents...come from over 320 million guns in private hands in 90 million homes with over 11.1 million people actually carrying guns for self defense.....so you point brain is...pointless........millions of people with access to guns, 90 million....and only 505 killed in accidents......and 2 million people using them to stop criminals....a win win....

The 2 million # is a completely made up number based on nothing.

Actually, as a gun grabber...you are wrong.....the 2 million number is based on 40 years of research...over 19 studies on the topic of using guns for self defense done by separate researchers in criminology and economics, both public and private studies, and many of the studies done by anti gun researchers...including the famous Dr. Gary Kleck who was anti gun when he did his famous research....

It is bullshit.

Right on time....emote...not reason.....or proof......should I start the countdown where you use the words "Fetish", "Penis" or "compensating"?

Here's proof. "These sorts of biases, which are inherent in reporting self-defense incidents, can lead to nonsensical results. In several crime categories, for example, gun owners would have to protect themselves more than 100 percent of the time for Kleck and Getz’s estimates to make sense. For example, guns were allegedly used in self-defense in 845,000 burglaries, according to Kleck and Getz. However, from reliable victimization surveys, we know that there were fewer than 1.3 million burglaries where someone was in the home at the time of the crime, and only 33 percent of these had occupants who weren’t sleeping. From surveys on firearm ownership, we also know that 42 percent of U.S. households owned firearms at the time of the survey. Even if burglars only rob houses of gun owners, and those gun owners use their weapons in self-defense every single time they are awake, the 845,000 statistic cited in Kleck and Gertz’s paper is simply mathematically impossible." Armedwithreason.com.

Moron....you didn't read Kleck did you...he explains all of that in his defense of his research...they are using the National Crime Victimization survey to rebut his research...not telling you that they miss huge numbers of crimes....and are way off on the very things they are trying to research....you are a fucking moron......try reading the research and not anti gun assholes......who actually do lie....

 

[2aguy]

I never said they did Brain...they studied all the research out there...please read more slowly, you will make fewer dumb mistakes........they studied all the current gun research...and they came out with those numbers...and spent 10 million dollars to do it too......

I average the numbers of the studies to get a more accurate number....and that number for civilian only gun self defense is 2 million a year....

Anyone can read those studies if they want ......

They didn't arrive at a number they just stated what other studies had found. And they included the ncvs.

You have arrived at a number which is more wrong. The vast majority of your own studies say your estimate is way too high.

Nothing in the real world supports your fantasy numbers.

Brain...my number is in the middle.....so it is neither the highest or lowest number found...therefore it is not a fantasy number..there are studies that found more and studies that found less.....and they were done by different researchers over 40 years....my number is the average number of defensive gun uses each year....2 million....


And I am out......

Average isn't in the middle dumb dumb. You took highly inaccurate surveys and averaged them making a more inaccurate fantasy number. Again the vast majority of your own studies counter your claim. Your number is complete fantasy.

I won't even get into how crime has fallen 30% since most of your very old surveys were done. Fewer crimes mean fewer defenses obviously.

The two million number is based on one survey from 1993. " In 1992, Gary Kleck and Marc Getz, criminologists at Florida State University, conducted a random digit-dial survey to establish the annual number of defensive gun uses in the United States. They surveyed 5,000 individuals, asking them if they had used a firearm in self-defense in the past year and, if so, for what reason and to what effect. Sixty-six incidences of defensive gun use were reported from the sample. The researchers then extrapolated their findings to the entire U.S. population, resulting in an estimate of between 1 million and 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year." It has been thoroughly debunked as a completely unscientific poll. You don't lie very well.

No it isn't......take the 10 non military, non police surveys and average them...you get 2 million...I don't lie moron.....and Kleck's research has never been debunked....the gun grabbers say "I debunk thee" thinking that is all it takes to discredit his work...but they haven't touched his methods. And of course his isn't the only research is it moron..........look at the actual number of studies....16 cited in just his paper and I listed all of those....so, moron......you are wrong.....and even the anti gun clinton Justice Dept. survey...also listed moron....and not kleck's research, put the number at 1.5 million....moron....and they weren't pro gun guys...they were anti gun guys who did that one....moron.....

Do you have Tourette's?

No...I have a bad case of discussing guns with multiple gun grabbers in one sitting...the lack of reason and a lack of understanding the truth and reality gets frustrating.....you guys really are morons.....

 

[paddymurphy]

The 2 million # is a completely made up number based on nothing.

Actually, as a gun grabber...you are wrong.....the 2 million number is based on 40 years of research...over 19 studies on the topic of using guns for self defense done by separate researchers in criminology and economics, both public and private studies, and many of the studies done by anti gun researchers...including the famous Dr. Gary Kleck who was anti gun when he did his famous research....

It is bullshit.

Right on time....emote...not reason.....or proof......should I start the countdown where you use the words "Fetish", "Penis" or "compensating"?

Here's proof. "These sorts of biases, which are inherent in reporting self-defense incidents, can lead to nonsensical results. In several crime categories, for example, gun owners would have to protect themselves more than 100 percent of the time for Kleck and Getz’s estimates to make sense. For example, guns were allegedly used in self-defense in 845,000 burglaries, according to Kleck and Getz. However, from reliable victimization surveys, we know that there were fewer than 1.3 million burglaries where someone was in the home at the time of the crime, and only 33 percent of these had occupants who weren’t sleeping. From surveys on firearm ownership, we also know that 42 percent of U.S. households owned firearms at the time of the survey. Even if burglars only rob houses of gun owners, and those gun owners use their weapons in self-defense every single time they are awake, the 845,000 statistic cited in Kleck and Gertz’s paper is simply mathematically impossible." Armedwithreason.com.

Moron....you didn't read Kleck did you...he explains all of that in his defense of his research...they are using the National Crime Victimization survey to rebut his research...not telling you that they miss huge numbers of crimes....and are way off on the very things they are trying to research....you are a fucking moron......try reading the research and not anti gun assholes......who actually do lie....

You spitting all over your screen? Seem a little agitated. Feel the need to shoot something? Probably fire off a few rounds and call the police with a fake defensive use claim.

 

[paddymurphy]

They didn't arrive at a number they just stated what other studies had found. And they included the ncvs.

You have arrived at a number which is more wrong. The vast majority of your own studies say your estimate is way too high.

Nothing in the real world supports your fantasy numbers.

Brain...my number is in the middle.....so it is neither the highest or lowest number found...therefore it is not a fantasy number..there are studies that found more and studies that found less.....and they were done by different researchers over 40 years....my number is the average number of defensive gun uses each year....2 million....


And I am out......

Average isn't in the middle dumb dumb. You took highly inaccurate surveys and averaged them making a more inaccurate fantasy number. Again the vast majority of your own studies counter your claim. Your number is complete fantasy.

I won't even get into how crime has fallen 30% since most of your very old surveys were done. Fewer crimes mean fewer defenses obviously.

The two million number is based on one survey from 1993. " In 1992, Gary Kleck and Marc Getz, criminologists at Florida State University, conducted a random digit-dial survey to establish the annual number of defensive gun uses in the United States. They surveyed 5,000 individuals, asking them if they had used a firearm in self-defense in the past year and, if so, for what reason and to what effect. Sixty-six incidences of defensive gun use were reported from the sample. The researchers then extrapolated their findings to the entire U.S. population, resulting in an estimate of between 1 million and 2.5 million defensive gun uses per year." It has been thoroughly debunked as a completely unscientific poll. You don't lie very well.

No it isn't......take the 10 non military, non police surveys and average them...you get 2 million...I don't lie moron.....and Kleck's research has never been debunked....the gun grabbers say "I debunk thee" thinking that is all it takes to discredit his work...but they haven't touched his methods. And of course his isn't the only research is it moron..........look at the actual number of studies....16 cited in just his paper and I listed all of those....so, moron......you are wrong.....and even the anti gun clinton Justice Dept. survey...also listed moron....and not kleck's research, put the number at 1.5 million....moron....and they weren't pro gun guys...they were anti gun guys who did that one....moron.....

Do you have Tourette's?

No...I have a bad case of discussing guns with multiple gun grabbers in one sitting...the lack of reason and a lack of understanding the truth and reality gets frustrating.....you guys really are morons.....

You have a bad case of making shit up.