America's Christian Heritage

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So what is your point Saint Ding?

To celebrate America's Christian heritage which you deny.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

To celebrate America's Christian heritage which you deny.

You are a liar.

I re-opened your 2017 post with this:

A great division was ignited in 1973 with the passage of RvW that now is approaching an equal to the division that ended in the Civil War.

Today’s division does not have to be.

That is why I re-opened Saint Ding’s Sachyz0000 thread where it starts with “America's Christian Heritage is indisputable”. That is a rational, historically correct, fact that we all should agree upon.

So let’s start there shall we, as we look at the culprit that has been dividing us for 50 years:

America's Christian Heritage 170301 {post•1} ding Mar’17 Sachyz:

“America's Christian Heritage is indisputable”


dvng 170301 Sachyz00001

My response to that has always been;

“That is a rational, historically correct, fact that we all should agree upon”


Will you ever Saint Ding start to deal with what I actually write instead of fighting your decades long battle with militant atheists or whatever the hell your problem with America is.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

America's Christian Heritage 240310 {post•223} Freemason's belief in the ideals of the European Enlightenment (specifically, rationalism and fraternalism).

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Freemasonry George Washington became a member of the Order of the Freemasons in October 1752 by joining the Fredericksburg Lodge No. 4 in Fredericksburg, Virginia. His intention in joining this preeminent, male-only fraternity was primarily to promote his social standing in Virginia. As a young man quickly growing in both wealth and influence, it only made sense for George Washington to associate with other men of like standing. Also, he was drawn to the Freemason's belief in the ideals of the European Enlightenment (specifically, rationalism and fraternalism). He continued to be involved in his lodge and others as he aged and became involved in the military and, later, in politics. Washington was first asked to become the Grand Master of the Grand Lodge of Virginia in 1777. This prestigious position would have granted Washington authority not only in the Grand Lodge but also in the lodge's jurisdiction. However, since he was in the middle of serving as the Continental Army's Commander in Chief at that time, he graciously declined. Nevertheless, the Freemason lodges located in the colonies did play a part in the war effort against the British. Many of America's Founding Fathers were Freemasons: Benjamin Franklin, Samuel Adams, James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, Richard Henry Lee, and John Hancock. Both before and during the war, these colonial leaders would use the masonic lodges to hold meetings, where they would discuss their plans for standing against the British oppression. As the American War for Independence drew to an end in 1783, Washington was approached once again to accept a position of leadership within the Freemasons. At this time, Washington was involved in several lodges in addition to the Fredericksburg Lodge No. 4. The newly formed Alexandria Lodge No. 22 (located in Alexandria, Virginia) requested that Washington become its Master. Since the war was ending at this time and George Washington was hoping to return to civilian life for the time being, he accepted this position. Because Washington was thrust back into politics soon after the end of the Revolutionary War, Freemasonry also became a huge part of the first President's political career. The Bible on which George Washington swore the Presidential oath on during the very first United States Presidential inauguration was taken from the St. John's Masonic Lodge No. 1 (located in New York). Additionally, the administrator of this Presidential oath was Robert Livingston, himself an established mason as well as the Chancellor of New York. During President Washington's second term in office, he posed for a portrait in full masonic dress to be placed in his Alexandria Lodge. Upon his death, Washington's funeral was conducted with Masonic honors. After the death of Washington, several architectural monuments were built by the Freemasons in his honor. georgewashington/freemasonry​

America's Christian Heritage 240307 {post•147} The Irish Ram Mar’24 Sachyz: “It won't be long until you find out if Ding is right, or if you are right.” thvrshrm 240307 Sachyz00147


America's Christian Heritage 240320 {post•223}

You should try rational theism. All you need to do is ask questions that you can answer yourself.

Would a benevolent Creator of the Universe choose one group of people over another?

No. That is not rational, There goes the Judeo/Christian religion right off the bat.

This is great confirmation that rational theism beats revealed religion line Christianity.

See Prayer for Trump nfbw 240307 Vachyz00165

What do Freemasons believe? To become a Freemason, the applicant has to be an adult male and must believe in the existence of a supreme being and in the immortality of the soul. The teachings of Freemasonry enjoin morality, charity, and obedience to the law of the land. It is not, however, a Christian institution, though it is often taken to be such. In fact, Freemasonry has received considerable opposition from organized religion, the Roman Catholic Church in particular. Freemasons?​

America's Christian Heritage 240310 {post•223}

All I know right now as a rational theist is that if there is an eternal life I will be spending it with Washington Adams, Jefferson, Madison Monroe, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, Ethan, Allen, and a host of others from the founding generation.

You in Saint ding will be spending it with Trump

If that is the definition of hell, so be it.

nfbw 240310 Vachyz00223 to Sachyz00147

 

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Noah Webster – Authored the first dictionary, and wrote in 1833
“The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His Apostles... this is genuine Christianity, and to this we owe our free constitutions of government...the moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws.”

USA Heritage

USA Heritage - The United States of America has a Christian heritage. The wisdom and guidance of God has been integral in the lives of our founders and leaders. The liberty that has made America great is based on the principles of Christianity.

www.usaheritage.org

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Noah Webster – Authored the first dictionary, and wrote in 1833
“The religion which has introduced civil liberty is the religion of Christ and His Apostles... this is genuine Christianity, and to this we owe our free constitutions of government...the moral principles and precepts contained in the Scripture ought to form the basis of all our civil constitutions and laws.”

USA Heritage

USA Heritage - The United States of America has a Christian heritage. The wisdom and guidance of God has been integral in the lives of our founders and leaders. The liberty that has made America great is based on the principles of Christianity.

www.usaheritage.org

So what? He's wrong. Secular government and classical liberalism did that quite in spite of the oppressive Christian church.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Noah Webster – Authored the first dictionary, and wrote in 1833

The American Enlightenment and Rationalism revolution was fought in the 1770s not the 1830s

See nfbw 240310 Vachyz00223 to Sachyz0014 for what white Christian nationalist propagandist David Barton won’t tell you about Washington Adams, Jefferson, Madison Monroe, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine, and Ethan Allen, and many more.


Have fun spending eternity with Trump. I’ll be with the rational thinkers Jefferson and Paine. You know the ones that your Revolution preachers snd laity called atheists.

 

[GMCGeneral]

So what? He's wrong. Secular government and classical liberalism did that quite in spite of the oppressive Christian church.

Nope. Secular governments brought the world the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and other far left dictatorships.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Nope. Secular governments brought the world the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and other far left dictatorships.

America was founded to have a secular government guaranteeing the individual right to the sacred freedom of conscience always being protected by the constitution and the law of the land. Not one of those countries you refer to believed in Jeffersonian western style liberal democracy. Huge difference.

See Viktor Orban, if you want to see white Christian nationalist religious illiberal Bible Driven authoritarian government that has taken over in Hungary.

That fascist was at Trump’s Clubhouse doing a sweet hug fest for Putin.

 

[alang1216]

Nope. Secular governments brought the world the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and other far left dictatorships.

Except for the Soviet Union, which refused to fight after removing the Christian Tsar, every country that was involved in WWI was Christian. The death toll was 20 million.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Except for the Soviet Union, which refused to fight after removing the Christian Tsar, every country that was involved in WWI was Christian. The death toll was 20 million.

You mean murdered, Oh I forgot. Your another fucking piece of Communist dogshit.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Nope. Secular governments brought the world the Soviet Union, Nazi Germany, and other far left dictatorships.

Total horseshit that would get you laughed out of any room of educated people, of course. Those two regimes simply replaced magical gods of ancient mythology with Stalin and Hitler. Like North Korea did, with Kim. Those governments were quite religious. Like North Korea is

And here we sit in a country based on secular government and classical liberalism that only exists because people wanted these things instead of an oppressive Christian theocracy.

So you're not only wrong, you look pretty silly sitting in this country and stating that nonsense.

 

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Jefferson Memorial
Inscribed on the walls is Jefferson ’s warning: “God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?”

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Jefferson Memorial
Inscribed on the walls is Jefferson ’s warning: “God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?”

That's a question.

The answer is yes.

And bringing out quotes of peole who lived centuries ago in ignorance isn't a very strong case for anything, unless your only plan is to argue that they were religious people saying religious things.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Total horseshit that would get you laughed our of any room of educated people, of course. Those two regimes simply replaced magical gods of ancient mythology with Stalin and Hitler. Like North Korea did.

And here we sit in a country based on secular government and classical liberalism that only exists because people wanted these things instead of an oppressive Christian theocracy.

So you're not only wrong, you look pretty silly sitting in this country and stating that nonsense.

And what did we get? Abortions even past the child's 3rd year, sexual perversion being normalized and Pedophilia being next, divorce rates at an astronomically unacceptable level, race relations at an all time low, thanks to Obunghole and his ilk, I could go on. But without a strong Biblical moral foundation, this country is sinking fast.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

And what did we get?

The finest country in history that still serves as a model for every up and coming democracy in the world.

It took a lot of effort to get out from under the Bible beaters and their slavery and ideas of women as objects. But we did it, thanks to classical liberalism and secular government.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Your another fucking piece of Communist dogshit.

Is this one of your team members Saint ding ?

 

[Grumblenuts]

“America's Christian Heritage is indisputable”

Certainly there were many types of Christians among the colonialists who invaded North, South, and Central Americas from 1500 to 1800. Of course they had offspring, spreading their "heritage" through the land like European industrial disease. Nothing really to crow about and most of that occurred before our "Founders" were even born. Ding keeps spam posting that garbage website like there's no tomorrow. Desperate indeed. No need to feed.

 

[GMCGeneral]

The finest country in history that still serves as a model for every up and coming democracy in the world.

It took a lot of effort to get out from under the Bible beaters and their slavery and ideas of women as objects. But we did it, thanks to classical liberalism and secular government.

Nope. Judgement comes to this G-dless country. We need revivals like those of the early 20th Century. When people return to G-d, we will be blessed.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Nope. Judgement comes to this G-dless country. We need revivals like those of the early 20th Century. When people return to G-d, we will be blessed.

Haha... "nope"

That's not going to cut it.

Your magical threats are not compelling, and they embarrass you.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Jefferson Memorial
Inscribed on the walls is Jefferson ’s warning: “God who gave us life gave us liberty. Can the liberties of a nation be secure when we have removed a conviction that these liberties are the gift of God?”

And bringing out quotes of peole who lived centuries ago in ignorance isn't a very strong case for anything, unless your only plan is to argue that they were religious people saying religious things.

Jefferson was not ignorant.

Jefferson is referring to Nature’s God. He was a rational theist, deist, militant opponent of organized Christianity and the preacher class.

Saint Ding is the ignorant one here quoting many of our founding fathers out of context. God is not automatically and mostly never was during the revolutionary decade, the god of the Bible.