An Ex Morman speaks about Robmoney

What part of the commerce clause, don't you get?

Government has some very broad powers..and for a reason.

And that's why..religious organizations should not be involved in commerce.

The federal government doesnt have broad powers. They have limited powers. The Federal Government is a government of limited jurisdiction. Ignoring this doesnt change that.

Alexander Hamilton, John Quincy Adams, Henry Clay, Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, and most respected political philosophers disagree with you, and so does history,

Not really sure why you think the two progressives at the end disagreeing would be at all authoritative.

However, you are wrong. Even the most liberal law school would disagree with your claim that the Federal government isnt a government of limited jurisdiction. In fact, it's one of the first things you learn in civil procedure when you study subject matter jurisdiction.
 
No.

And it's not what you should be running on.

If theocracy is what you guys want..be honest about it. Propose a Constitutional amendment that changes the first amendment to state that government can establish an religion.

This way..any religion that wants to have a for profit..without obeying laws..like paying taxes..or providing health insurance..or hiring people that they don't like because of sexual orientation, or religion, or ethnicity, or race..would be legal.

Run on it.

Be honest about it.

We want the Republic restored. We want the First Amendment respected. We dont want a theocracy. So stop being paranoid and start educating yourself.

When you guys start posting shit like this..either it has no meaning..or it means:

-You want to get rid of voting rights for women.
-You want to get rid of voting rights for minorities.
-You want a restoration of slavery.
-You want a restoration of the notion that White Christian Males are to rule the country.
-You believe that legislation should be derived from the Christian bible.
-You believe that democratic institutions are wrong.


There's no paranoia here. Many rights that have been won..weren't there in the beginning. The Constitution has evolved a great deal over the centuries.

And when you post "restore"..that's what it means. Getting rid of those hard fought for rights.

Considering that's all nonsense, there clearly is a bunch of paranoia involved here on your part.
 
Sigh. Far righties and wannabee libertarians, lissen up.

We live in a republican representative government elected by We the People, who then governs in our name. We have a Constitution that protects minority rights.

You don't like it, either build a majority or leave or revolt and die. Those are the options.
 
We want the Republic restored. We want the First Amendment respected. We dont want a theocracy. So stop being paranoid and start educating yourself.

When you guys start posting shit like this..either it has no meaning..or it means:

-You want to get rid of voting rights for women.
-You want to get rid of voting rights for minorities.
-You want a restoration of slavery.
-You want a restoration of the notion that White Christian Males are to rule the country.
-You believe that legislation should be derived from the Christian bible.
-You believe that democratic institutions are wrong.


There's no paranoia here. Many rights that have been won..weren't there in the beginning. The Constitution has evolved a great deal over the centuries.

And when you post "restore"..that's what it means. Getting rid of those hard fought for rights.

Considering that's all nonsense, there clearly is a bunch of paranoia involved here on your part.


You couldn't be more mistaken. Saying that the government has no right to force Catholics to pay for abortifacients is just one step away from approving of honor killings.

/end sarcasm
 
Sigh. Far righties and wannabee libertarians, lissen up.

We live in a republican representative government elected by We the People, who then governs in our name. We have a Constitution that protects minority rights.

You don't like it, either build a majority or leave or revolt and die. Those are the options.

America: Republic or Democracy?


Now go get the definition of a republican representative government
 
The introduction of this new principle of representative democracy has rendered useless almost everything written before on the structure of government; Thomas Jefferson
 
You see you right wing idiots lap up the pablum of the party that has followed a man that has said right out in the open that he wants to KILL the US government
 
When you guys start posting shit like this..either it has no meaning..or it means:

-You want to get rid of voting rights for women.
-You want to get rid of voting rights for minorities.
-You want a restoration of slavery.
-You want a restoration of the notion that White Christian Males are to rule the country.
-You believe that legislation should be derived from the Christian bible.
-You believe that democratic institutions are wrong.


There's no paranoia here. Many rights that have been won..weren't there in the beginning. The Constitution has evolved a great deal over the centuries.

And when you post "restore"..that's what it means. Getting rid of those hard fought for rights.

Considering that's all nonsense, there clearly is a bunch of paranoia involved here on your part.
You couldn't be more mistaken. Saying that the government has no right to force Catholics to pay for abortifacients is just one step away from approving of honor killings.

I think the Catholic church is morally wrong on this issue, but I do not believe the government has the right breach the 1st Amendment protection of organized religion from government interference.
 
Hows that massive Federal Gov't workin' for ya'? Soon there will be 30,000 spy drones flying overhead and good ole boys like you will call that "Freedom". Good luck trying hide from those.

Of course, this would be MUCH easier to handle if those powers were concentrated locally instead of in D.C.

It's the United STATES of America, NOT the United FEDERAL GOV'T of America. There are REASONS for that which you don't understand.

Ron Paul and his followers are unhinged.
 
Hows that massive Federal Gov't workin' for ya'? Soon there will be 30,000 spy drones flying overhead and good ole boys like you will call that "Freedom". Good luck trying hide from those.

Of course, this would be MUCH easier to handle if those powers were concentrated locally instead of in D.C.

It's the United STATES of America, NOT the United FEDERAL GOV'T of America. There are REASONS for that which you don't understand.

Ron Paul and his followers are unhinged.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that is correct. Exactly how is that relevant to anything that's been discussed? Who has mentioned Ron Paul?
 
Sigh. Far righties and wannabee libertarians, lissen up.

We live in a republican representative government elected by We the People, who then governs in our name. We have a Constitution that protects minority rights.

You don't like it, either build a majority or leave or revolt and die. Those are the options.

The Constitution does more than Protect Minority rights. It specifically limits what the Federal Government is authorized to do. If the Constitution doesnt grant the Federal Government jurisdiction. It's not supposed to have it.
 
Hows that massive Federal Gov't workin' for ya'? Soon there will be 30,000 spy drones flying overhead and good ole boys like you will call that "Freedom". Good luck trying hide from those.

Of course, this would be MUCH easier to handle if those powers were concentrated locally instead of in D.C.

It's the United STATES of America, NOT the United FEDERAL GOV'T of America. There are REASONS for that which you don't understand.

Ron Paul and his followers are unhinged.

For the sake of argument, let's assume that is correct. Exactly how is that relevant to anything that's been discussed? Who has mentioned Ron Paul?

MS is a Ron Paul follower, therefore his argument is invalid.

At least that's how it goes in my world, at this moment.

Once my ADD kicks in, he'll be off the hook.
 
Sigh. Far righties and wannabee libertarians, lissen up.

We live in a republican representative government elected by We the People, who then governs in our name. We have a Constitution that protects minority rights.

You don't like it, either build a majority or leave or revolt and die. Those are the options.

The Constitution does more than Protect Minority rights. It specifically limits what the Federal Government is authorized to do. If the Constitution doesnt grant the Federal Government jurisdiction. It's not supposed to have it.

That's your political philosophy, shared by a small minority. Build an electoral majority in the republican fashion guaranteed by the Constitutionm, or amend the Constitution, or get SCOTUS to agree with you.
 
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Sigh. Far righties and wannabee libertarians, lissen up.

We live in a republican representative government elected by We the People, who then governs in our name. We have a Constitution that protects minority rights.

You don't like it, either build a majority or leave or revolt and die. Those are the options.

The Constitution does more than Protect Minority rights. It specifically limits what the Federal Government is authorized to do. If the Constitution doesnt grant the Federal Government jurisdiction. It's not supposed to have it.

That's your political philosophy, shared by a small minority. Build an electoral majority in the republican fashion guaranteed by the Constitutionm, or amend the Constitution, or get SCOTUS to agree with you.

Jakes just brilliant he has this flare for saying what others are. However, when he claims that he is something in a post but in other post that he makes does not bare any resemblance to what he said he was in his previous post.
 
Every time I think bigrebnc has reached his nadir, he fools me and lowers the bar. What a goofball.
 
Hows that massive Federal Gov't workin' for ya'? Soon there will be 30,000 spy drones flying overhead and good ole boys like you will call that "Freedom". Good luck trying hide from those.

Of course, this would be MUCH easier to handle if those powers were concentrated locally instead of in D.C.

It's the United STATES of America, NOT the United FEDERAL GOV'T of America. There are REASONS for that which you don't understand.

Ron Paul and his followers are unhinged.

Unhinged? No we are laughing our asses off at Romney and obama supporters, arguing over who would be the better president. There's no difference between the two with the exception of the party.
 

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