An Ex Morman speaks about Robmoney

[JakeStarkey]

Amelia is shy about her religion. The way some act around here, I can understand that.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You swear at me, you little fuck face?

Religion is off limits. Wright is off limits: jump any fool it brings it up. Mormonism is off limits: and I will jump You the Fool for bringing it up.

He is questioning secular society as dictated by atheists, damn right he is. He wants less atheism in it: good for him,

Look up the definition. Libs are as bad as cons in thinking they can have their own facts and definitions,

Pretty good show. Love the melt down. And Jake has his own definitions

No, you are not melting down here, bigrebnc, though you have had your moments. Sallow, though, is having hissy fits!

The way that you can tell you are having a melt down is when you are called something you don't like you reuse them against the person who first used them. You're melting like a block of ICE at the equator

 

[hjmick]

Sallow and bigrebnc are tremendous hypocrites and drinking companions.

I'd have a drink with bigrebnc..

Heck..I'd have a drink with you..if you got the first round.

Hell, I'd drink with just about any of you fuckers and I would buy the first round...

In fact, I can only think of two members to whom I would flat out say no...

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Sallow and bigrebnc are tremendous hypocrites and drinking companions.

How is sallow a hypocrite? Unlike you he doesn't dance around what he is.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Sallow and bigrebnc are tremendous hypocrites and drinking companions.

I'd have a drink with bigrebnc..

Heck..I'd have a drink with you..if you got the first round.

I'm one of those lovable Jrunks

 

[Amelia]

Prove that the statement "a single woman cannot enter heaven" is false?

Easy.

In the LDS faith, practically everyone goes to heaven. Even murderers go to heaven. The marital status of a woman does not keep her out of heaven.

The only people who don't go to heaven are those who deny the Holy Ghost after receiving a perfect knowledge of Jesus Christ. Not many people in the history of mankind meet that criterion. It's a very high threshold of knowledge.

Well, that's kind of lame, then.

Actually, you LDS (you are LDS, aren't you Amelia?) beleive in different levels of Heaven, and only good Mormons get into the highest one, the Celestial Heaven.

But the imperfect folks like you and me still can get into the third kingdom. Of course, we get to share it with Stalin and Hitler and bigrenbc and kohsergirl.

Well at least third. I'd guess second. That's where I plan to build my cabin. Look me up.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Well, that's kind of lame, then.

Actually, you LDS (you are LDS, aren't you Amelia?) beleive in different levels of Heaven, and only good Mormons get into the highest one, the Celestial Heaven.

But the imperfect folks like you and me still can get into the third kingdom. Of course, we get to share it with Stalin and Hitler and bigrenbc and kohsergirl.

Well at least third. I'd guess second. That's where I plan to build my cabin. Look me up.

Only Mormons would understand what y'all are talking about

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Prove that the statement "a single woman cannot enter heaven" is false?

Easy.

In the LDS faith, practically everyone goes to heaven. Even murderers go to heaven. The marital status of a woman does not keep her out of heaven.

The only people who don't go to heaven are those who deny the Holy Ghost after receiving a perfect knowledge of Jesus Christ. Not many people in the history of mankind meet that criterion. It's a very high threshold of knowledge.

Well, that's kind of lame, then.

Actually, you LDS (you are LDS, aren't you Amelia?) beleive in different levels of Heaven, and only good Mormons get into the highest one, the Celestial Heaven.

But the imperfect folks like you and me still can get into the third kingdom. Of course, we get to share it with Stalin and Hitler and bigrenbc and kohsergirl.

You and me in the same place for eternity? That would not be heaven for you at all that would be a living hell I would make sure of it. Every morning I would have a cardboard full of fact waiting for you at your front door. Telling you the mistakes you made and why you were there.

 

[Avatar4321]

I wonder how this thread would have gone if Romney were a Jew...

It would go similiar.

Not really. No one really made a peep about Joe Leiberman's religion in 2000.

Please don't go out there and whine because people are pointing out your insane beliefs and slimy history.

1) He wasnt at the top of the ticket.
2) He ran on the Democrat side. Republicans have enough class not to participate in that bullcrap.

 

[Avatar4321]

First paragraph:

"The first thing you need to know about Mitt Romney is that he is a Mormon, aka a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. They call themselves Christians, but they have so thoroughly brainwashed their members that anything the church says…goes. No matter how much Mitt Romney says he would keep his church separate from Government, and how he would never let the church come in and run Government, commands of the church come first and foremost in Mormon minds."

Well then, apparently, the Mormon church wants big government anyways because Harry Reid is the Senate Majority leader and he's pushed it. And since Harry Reid was pro gay marriage then the church must want gay marriage__ Oh wait. Yea. This writer is a hack from the get go. That said, I'll browse the rest of the article now just for laughs.

So let's for the sake of argument agree that Mormons are so thoroughly brainwashed that the Church says goes. (Which is a bit of a stretch. If that were the case the Home Teaching numbers would be significantly better).

So let's look at Mormon scripture on the matter of Faith and government:

1 We believe that governments were instituted of God for the benefit of man; and that he holds men accountable for their acts in relation to them, both in making laws and administering them, for the good and safety of society.

2 We believe that no government can exist in peace, except such laws are framed and held inviolate as will secure to each individual the free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property, and the protection of life.

3 We believe that all governments necessarily require civil officers and magistrates to enforce the laws of the same; and that such as will administer the law in equity and justice should be sought for and upheld by the voice of the people if a republic, or the will of the sovereign.

4 We believe that religion is instituted of God; and that men are amenable to him, and to him only, for the exercise of it, unless their religious opinions prompt them to infringe upon the rights and liberties of others; but we do not believe that human law has a right to interfere in prescribing rules of worship to bind the consciences of men, nor dictate forms for public or private devotion; that the civil magistrate should restrain crime, but never control conscience; should punish guilt, but never suppress the freedom of the soul.

5 We believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments; and that sedition and rebellion are unbecoming every citizen thus protected, and should be punished accordingly; and that all governments have a right to enact such laws as in their own judgments are best calculated to secure the public interest; at the same time, however, holding sacred the freedom of conscience.

6 We believe that every man should be honored in his station, rulers and magistrates as such, being placed for the protection of the innocent and the punishment of the guilty; and that to the laws all men owe respect and deference, as without them peace and harmony would be supplanted by anarchy and terror; human laws being instituted for the express purpose of regulating our interests as individuals and nations, between man and man; and divine laws given of heaven, prescribing rules on spiritual concerns, for faith and worship, both to be answered by man to his Maker.

7 We believe that rulers, states, and governments have a right, and are bound to enact laws for the protection of all citizens in the free exercise of their religious belief; but we do not believe that they have a right in justice to deprive citizens of this privilege, or proscribe them in their opinions, so long as a regard and reverence are shown to the laws and such religious opinions do not justify sedition nor conspiracy.

8 We believe that the commission of crime should be punished according to the nature of the offense; that murder, treason, robbery, theft, and the breach of the general peace, in all respects, should be punished according to their criminality and their tendency to evil among men, by the laws of that government in which the offense is committed; and for the public peace and tranquility all men should step forward and use their ability in bringing offenders against good laws to punishment.

9 We do not believe it just to mingle religious influence with civil government, whereby one religious society is fostered and another proscribed in its spiritual privileges, and the individual rights of its members, as citizens, denied.

10 We believe that all religious societies have a right to deal with their members for disorderly conduct, according to the rules and regulations of such societies; provided that such dealings be for fellowship and good standing; but we do not believe that any religious society has authority to try men on the right of property or life, to take from them this world’s goods, or to put them in jeopardy of either life or limb, or to inflict any physical punishment upon them. They can only excommunicate them from their society, and withdraw from them their fellowship.

11 We believe that men should appeal to the civil law for redress of all wrongs and grievances, where personal abuse is inflicted or the right of property or character infringed, where such laws exist as will protect the same; but we believe that all men are justified in defending themselves, their friends, and property, and the government, from the unlawful assaults and encroachments of all persons in times of exigency, where immediate appeal cannot be made to the laws, and relief afforded. (D&C 134:1-11)

So, if his claim is true, then Mormons are obligated as a matter of faith to keep Church and State Separate. And if we don't, we violate our faith.

Kind of undermines his argument, don't you think?

 

[Avatar4321]

Has anyone claimed Obama is a muslims? I was under the impression that we all realized he belonged to Rev Wrights Church which teaches what can loosely be called "Christian" liberation theology.

And contrary to your efforts to poison the well. No Mormon wants to do anything nasty to you nor to the country.

Mormons have ALREADY done nasty things to me. That's while I'll never give one a second chance.

Wait? have you made the same comments about Reid? Are you working to see that he not get reelected? Or is that different? He controls the Senate he could actually ask for an amendment to be brought forward.

Joe isnt partisan. He just hates mormons all around.

 

[hortysir]

Former Mormon Explains Why Mitt Romney Should Never Be President | Addicting Info

No axe to grind there......

 

[Avatar4321]

mormon believe that the man with his sealed wives will be given a planet and they will become gods


a single woman cannot enter heaven

Blatantly false. All men and women can enter the Kingdom of Heaven by humbling themselves and exercising faith in Jesus Christ, Repenting of their sins, being baptized for the remission of sins, and recieving the Gift of the Holy Ghost by the laying on of hands.

No one is excluded.

Mormons believe that there are different levels or kingdoms in the afterlife: the celestial kingdom, the terrestrial kingdom, the telestial kingdom, and outer darkness. Where mankind will end up depends on what they believe and do in this life.

Yeah. We believe that if we are going to be saved we have to believe in Christ and actually follow Him. And we believe the Bible when it teaches that there are "Many mansions in [the] Father's house." We believe the scriptures when they teach that we are judged according to our works. That in the resurrection our bodies will be raised to different degreees of glory. What's the problem with that?

In contrast, the Bible tells us that after death, we go to heaven or hell based on whether or not we had faith in Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior.

So the Bible teaches that we will go where we do in the after life based on what we believe and do? That's exactly the same thing.

To be absent from our bodies means, as believers, we are with the Lord (2 Corinthians 5:6-8). Unbelievers are sent to hell or the place of the dead (Luke 16:22-23). When Jesus comes the second time, we will receive new bodies (1 Corinthians 15:50-54). There will be a new heaven and new earth for believers (Revelation 21:1), and unbelievers will be thrown into an everlasting lake of fire (Revelation 20:11-15). There is no second chance for redemption after death (Hebrews 9:27).

No Mormon would disagree with any of the scriptures cited, though we would certainly interpret some of them, particularly the Hebrews verse differently.

We also believe the Bible when it says that the Gospel is/was preached to the dead. (1 Peter 3:18-20, 1 Peter 4:6).

 

[Avatar4321]

prove it.

There are many secrets in the morman religion

There are many mysteries God hasn't revealed to man. Doesn't mean they are secret. Just that not everyone is ready for it immediately. It doesnt make sense to teach calculus to someone in grade school struggling to learn basic math does it?

 

[Avatar4321]

prove it.

There are many secrets in the morman religion

Prove that the statement "a single woman cannot enter heaven" is false?

Easy.

In the LDS faith, practically everyone goes to heaven. Even murderers go to heaven. The marital status of a woman does not keep her out of heaven.

The only people who don't go to heaven are those who deny the Holy Ghost after receiving a perfect knowledge of Jesus Christ. Not many people in the history of mankind meet that criterion. It's a very high threshold of knowledge.

Of course women can go to the celestial kingdom. They won't enter the highest degree of exaltation until they are sealed to a male, and that will happen there.

Shoot, I am not LDS, not Mormon, never been, and even I know that,.

And no male will enter into the highest degree of exaltation until they are sealed to a woman.

"Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord." (1 Cor 11:11)

 

[Avatar4321]

You're ALL wrong! Even MARRIED Mormon women can't get to heaven because they have to be SEALED to a Mormon man in the LDS temple FIRST!

Reminder: My Dad is an Elder in the LDS. Because he knows I actually research stuff instead of just watch TV he HAD to admit recently:

1. Joseph Smith Was a Free Mason When he founded the LDS. There's Free Mason symbology ALL OVER their temples.
2. There are TWO levels of info diseminated in the church. One for the masses and a higher level for the Leaders.

See, I was wonderin' why Mitt Romney would rise to the top of the Republican Party and if you realize that the Mormons are really Free Masons (at least the Leadership is) then it all makes sense.

Just "google" Harry Truman pics and find the one where he's wearing an apron (I think it's in color) It's a Free Mason apron.

But please, be nice to those young Mormon Missionaries you see. They could actually be ex-communicated for even KNOWING this info. I know, that's stupid but that's how it is.

Ive asked you to elaborate on this multiple times. You keep repeating the same thing and ignoring any attempt of conversation on it.

You're problem is Joseph Smith was never a mason until Nauvoo, years after the Church was founded. And quite honestly, why the heck does it matter any more than the fact that some of our Founders were masons? Is the Constitution now worthless?

And I can affirm to you that no one is excommunicated for "knowing" anything.

 

[Avatar4321]

You guys are seriously trying to argue that Jake, of all people, is secretly Mormon?

You guys crack me up sometimes

 

[Avatar4321]

Romney's religion has nothing to do with his job as President. Period.

I would agree in part and disagree in part. I would point out that the values taken from religion does effect job performance. If someone believes in being honest because of their religion, their job will reflect that. Other traits developed from religious faith likewise do.

 

[Avatar4321]

Wow..the founder of Mormonism ran for President of the United States?

Didn't know that.

Gets crazier on a daily basis.

How is running for President crazy? Or is it just crazy because you were ignorant of it?

 

[Avatar4321]

Romney's religion has nothing to do with his job as President. Period.

Romney attacked Obama on religion. Which in turn opens up a whole new door for Romney.

I applaud his devotion. And I'm glad he's a cleric. Conservatives should be more honest about their wish to turn the US into a theocracy.

Ralph Reed and his "guerrilla" campaign to have the Christian Coalition do it..was a little dishonest. No?

When did Romney attack Obama on religion?

There are no Mormon clerics. Why do you continue to lie about that?