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No, you're not. No matter how you try to spin this you are promoting the use of gov't power to take from some (biz) and give to others and you don't seem to care how many jobs are lost by your actions. Min wage isn't supposed to be a living wage but rather an entry level wage and the federal gov't has no biz defining it.
Using government power to tell private business to pay their own bills is hardly the thievery you are trying to portray. Yes, money SHOULD be taken from private business and given to others, their workers. So that we don't have to buy their groceries.
And yes, min wage certainly is supposed to be a living wage. The notion of "entry-level" is what is false here. I don't care what you do for a living, if it is your first day or last day on the job. You should be paid enough to buy your own groceries without taxpayer assistance.
"The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees." -Cornell University Law School, Legal Information Institute
Groceries can be bought without taxpayer assistance by min wage earners and given the wide swings in the cost of living by state, the federal gov't has no biz setting a national standard. This battle is all about throwing the unions a bone. The groceries argument is strictly a smokescreen.
Labor is a resource just like any other business expense. Let's pretend for a moment that labor is actually gasoline, and that I operate a trucking company. Who should pay my fuel costs to run my fleet? Should I pay the price at the pump? A price which is pretty much a government regulated standard. Or should I be able to tank up my fleet at the highway department pump, and skip paying?
The price at the pump is NOT "a gov't regulated standard." The only gov't impact on the price of gas is the taxes they add on. The price of gas itself is a function of supply and demand and if you've purchased any lately you'd know that.
Labor is indeed a commodity and it's value is set by the same market forces ... supply and demand.
BS.
Gov't dictated higher wages at the bottom of the scale means higher wages - and higher prices - for everyone, leaving those at the bottom with the same dilemma they now have (but they'll need a wheelbarrow to carry around the almost worthless cash) ... poverty. The only way out of that dilemma is for the worker to become more valuable to potential employers.
Also, there is nothing socialist about paying your own bills and paying your own way. Government regulation is not synonymous with socialism. I am not a big fan of big government, but I am no anarchist either and believe that some regulations are indeed necessary.
Judging by your comments on this thread, you are for unnecessary and unproductive gov't intervention in our lives.
You're right, there's not. But there is something quite socialist about government dictating wages. And it's totally unnecessary to address the problem.
The government has not only a right but a duty to manage the economic vitality of the nation. Interstate trade regulation is written right into the Constitution.
Where do single people pay $1,000 a month rent?Riding the bus wont run you 500 a month. And what the hell are you buying thats "miscellaneous" that costs you 400 a month? Let me guess...weed.
This isn't MY budget. These are national figures and recommended economic practices. Miscellaneous costs can be any number of things from a traffic ticket to a fender bender to a flooded out apartment to school supplies.
My GF is only paying $750 mortgage for a 3 BR house in a very nice suburb of a major city.
I live outside of NYC. A one bedroom in a complex runs a little over $1000 usually. The absolute cheapest dirt-hole you will find is $750. But places like that have problems such as no parking, high crime, real slum living.
A min wage worker cannot get a mortgage.
From the source:
RENT- $1,000
It is very difficult to find an accurate national average cost for a rental apartment. Local market values have a very wide range, and rental units are not uniform. According to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) the median asking price for an unfurnished rental unit was $1,277 in the first-quarter of 2012. That amount is below what one might have to spend even for the most basic, small studio apartment in New York City, but enough to secure a large 3-bedroom apartment in a mid-western town. We must assume, however, that the minimum-wage worker will most likely be living where work is available which is more often in regions where rent is much higher. For the purposes of our analyses, we have generalized to come up with a figure that is below the national average, in order to establish a minimum standard of living. $1000 is what one might expect to pay for a one-bedroom apartment in the suburbs of a major metropolitan area.
Read more: Analyzing a Practical Minimum Wage Minimum Wage Workers Union of America
Share a 3 bedroom place with 5 or 6 guys.
I know having roommates is a novel concept and all
There are any number of reasons why a person may not have a roomate. Anything from mental health issues, to old fashioned good sense. Roomates can be a very serious liability. This trend also contributes to a lot of domestic violence, where a couple are forced to stay together for financial reasons and continue to beat the dead horse of a volatile relationship. There was a woman down in Florida not too long ago who was raped and murdered by a roomate. Not even a boyfriend, just a roomate in the house. Putting people in dangerous situations is not a practical solution. There is no reason why a person who works full time should have to rely on anyone else in order to get by. Unless you think maybe all Americans should just start living like Mexicans.
Where do single people pay $1,000 a month rent?This isn't MY budget. These are national figures and recommended economic practices. Miscellaneous costs can be any number of things from a traffic ticket to a fender bender to a flooded out apartment to school supplies.
My GF is only paying $750 mortgage for a 3 BR house in a very nice suburb of a major city.
I live outside of NYC. A one bedroom in a complex runs a little over $1000 usually. The absolute cheapest dirt-hole you will find is $750. But places like that have problems such as no parking, high crime, real slum living.
A min wage worker cannot get a mortgage.
From the source:
RENT- $1,000
It is very difficult to find an accurate national average cost for a rental apartment. Local market values have a very wide range, and rental units are not uniform. According to the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development (HUD) the median asking price for an unfurnished rental unit was $1,277 in the first-quarter of 2012. That amount is below what one might have to spend even for the most basic, small studio apartment in New York City, but enough to secure a large 3-bedroom apartment in a mid-western town. We must assume, however, that the minimum-wage worker will most likely be living where work is available which is more often in regions where rent is much higher. For the purposes of our analyses, we have generalized to come up with a figure that is below the national average, in order to establish a minimum standard of living. $1000 is what one might expect to pay for a one-bedroom apartment in the suburbs of a major metropolitan area.
Read more: Analyzing a Practical Minimum Wage Minimum Wage Workers Union of America
Share a 3 bedroom place with 5 or 6 guys.
I know having roommates is a novel concept and all
I didnt get my own apartment until I was around 22.
You have to wonder what makes kids today think they're entitled to so much,while doing so little.
Aww hell,who am I kidding. We know exactly why kids are entitle minded lazy little shits these days.
Consider yourself lucky that you got to say living at home with mommy and daddy. I have been on my own since I was 16.
I am single, live nicely on HALF of that each month.
Possible. But you are not the average American worker. Maybe your rent is a lot cheaper, maybe you have other advantages that we don't know about. The figures presented there are for a national average.
Nor is the min wage earner an "average American worker." There has to be entry level pay commensurate with entry level skills, and why would min wage earners get average housing? They are MIN WAGE EARNERS for crying out loud!
They're looking for that socialist utopia where they do the least amount of work possible and can still have the things they want in life....mainly drugs and booze.
You tell me which is the socialist concept here. Earning a living by getting up and going to work everyday, and having your employer pay you well enough to put groceries on the table. OR, businesses that use welfare supported workers? Sounds to me like the only real socialists here, are the businesses that rely on taxpayers to feed their workers, instead of paying an actual living wage.
No, you're not. No matter how you try to spin this you are promoting the use of gov't power to take from some (biz) and give to others and you don't seem to care how many jobs are lost by your actions. Min wage isn't supposed to be a living wage but rather an entry level wage and the federal gov't has no biz defining it.
Using government power to tell private business to pay their own bills is hardly the thievery you are trying to portray. Yes, money SHOULD be taken from private business and given to others, their workers. So that we don't have to buy their groceries.
And yes, min wage certainly is supposed to be a living wage. The notion of "entry-level" is what is false here. I don't care what you do for a living, if it is your first day or last day on the job. You should be paid enough to buy your own groceries without taxpayer assistance.
"The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees." -Cornell University Law School, Legal Information Institute
Groceries can be bought without taxpayer assistance by min wage earners and given the wide swings in the cost of living by state, the federal gov't has no biz setting a national standard. This battle is all about throwing the unions a bone. The groceries argument is strictly a smokescreen.
State's have a right to set their own min wage, and some do outside of Federal requirements. But the Federal govt has a constitutional right to regulate interstate trade.
People who are making min wage get foodstamps.
Well aren't you entitlement minded.
No dumbass ...I left home at 17 and had room mates until I was 22.
Sounds to me like you should have stayed home and had your mommy and daddy teach you about a work ethic ya lazy fuck.
And truthfully...? Sounds to me like you still need parental supervision,because all you want is for the gov to take the place of your mommy and daddy.
Grow up punk.
Well aren't you entitlement minded.
An honest day's wage for an honest day of work is hardly an entitlement.
No dumbass ...I left home at 17 and had room mates until I was 22.
Sounds to me like you should have stayed home and had your mommy and daddy teach you about a work ethic ya lazy fuck.
And truthfully...? Sounds to me like you still need parental supervision,because all you want is for the gov to take the place of your mommy and daddy.
Grow up punk.
Temper temper
No, you're not. No matter how you try to spin this you are promoting the use of gov't power to take from some (biz) and give to others and you don't seem to care how many jobs are lost by your actions. Min wage isn't supposed to be a living wage but rather an entry level wage and the federal gov't has no biz defining it.
Using government power to tell private business to pay their own bills is hardly the thievery you are trying to portray. Yes, money SHOULD be taken from private business and given to others, their workers. So that we don't have to buy their groceries.
And yes, min wage certainly is supposed to be a living wage. The notion of "entry-level" is what is false here. I don't care what you do for a living, if it is your first day or last day on the job. You should be paid enough to buy your own groceries without taxpayer assistance.
"The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees." -Cornell University Law School, Legal Information Institute
Groceries can be bought without taxpayer assistance by min wage earners and given the wide swings in the cost of living by state, the federal gov't has no biz setting a national standard. This battle is all about throwing the unions a bone. The groceries argument is strictly a smokescreen.
State's have a right to set their own min wage, and some do outside of Federal requirements. But the Federal govt has a constitutional right to regulate interstate trade.
People who are making min wage get foodstamps.
Labor is a resource just like any other business expense. Let's pretend for a moment that labor is actually gasoline, and that I operate a trucking company. Who should pay my fuel costs to run my fleet? Should I pay the price at the pump? A price which is pretty much a government regulated standard. Or should I be able to tank up my fleet at the highway department pump, and skip paying?
The price at the pump is NOT "a gov't regulated standard." The only gov't impact on the price of gas is the taxes they add on. The price of gas itself is a function of supply and demand and if you've purchased any lately you'd know that.
Labor is indeed a commodity and it's value is set by the same market forces ... supply and demand.
The price at the pump certainly is govt regulated to a very large extent. Selling gas for excessive amounts during times of crisis, for example, is illegal. I saw many fellow business men fined very heavily, some lost their businesses, after Hurricane Katrina. And I am all the way up here in NY, not in the disaster area.
No, you're not. No matter how you try to spin this you are promoting the use of gov't power to take from some (biz) and give to others and you don't seem to care how many jobs are lost by your actions. Min wage isn't supposed to be a living wage but rather an entry level wage and the federal gov't has no biz defining it.
Using government power to tell private business to pay their own bills is hardly the thievery you are trying to portray. Yes, money SHOULD be taken from private business and given to others, their workers. So that we don't have to buy their groceries.
And yes, min wage certainly is supposed to be a living wage. The notion of "entry-level" is what is false here. I don't care what you do for a living, if it is your first day or last day on the job. You should be paid enough to buy your own groceries without taxpayer assistance.
"The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees." -Cornell University Law School, Legal Information Institute
Groceries can be bought without taxpayer assistance by min wage earners and given the wide swings in the cost of living by state, the federal gov't has no biz setting a national standard. This battle is all about throwing the unions a bone. The groceries argument is strictly a smokescreen.
State's have a right to set their own min wage, and some do outside of Federal requirements. But the Federal govt has a constitutional right to regulate interstate trade.
People who are making min wage get foodstamps.
Not all peeps who make min wage get food stamps and people who are jobless get food stamps AND welfare. If you have no marketable skills you have to start somewhere.
Labor is a resource just like any other business expense. Let's pretend for a moment that labor is actually gasoline, and that I operate a trucking company. Who should pay my fuel costs to run my fleet? Should I pay the price at the pump? A price which is pretty much a government regulated standard. Or should I be able to tank up my fleet at the highway department pump, and skip paying?
The price at the pump is NOT "a gov't regulated standard." The only gov't impact on the price of gas is the taxes they add on. The price of gas itself is a function of supply and demand and if you've purchased any lately you'd know that.
Labor is indeed a commodity and it's value is set by the same market forces ... supply and demand.
The price at the pump certainly is govt regulated to a very large extent. Selling gas for excessive amounts during times of crisis, for example, is illegal. I saw many fellow business men fined very heavily, some lost their businesses, after Hurricane Katrina. And I am all the way up here in NY, not in the disaster area.
Anecdotal anomalies. The price we pay at the pump is not gov't regulated but rather is a function of supply and demand ... just like labor.
BS.
Gov't dictated higher wages at the bottom of the scale means higher wages - and higher prices - for everyone, leaving those at the bottom with the same dilemma they now have (but they'll need a wheelbarrow to carry around the almost worthless cash) ... poverty. The only way out of that dilemma is for the worker to become more valuable to potential employers.
You can call BS all you want, but all historical data shows just the opposite of what you are saying. The min wage today is 26% less than it was in 1974. Is your cost of living 26% less?
No, you're not. No matter how you try to spin this you are promoting the use of gov't power to take from some (biz) and give to others and you don't seem to care how many jobs are lost by your actions. Min wage isn't supposed to be a living wage but rather an entry level wage and the federal gov't has no biz defining it.
Using government power to tell private business to pay their own bills is hardly the thievery you are trying to portray. Yes, money SHOULD be taken from private business and given to others, their workers. So that we don't have to buy their groceries.
And yes, min wage certainly is supposed to be a living wage. The notion of "entry-level" is what is false here. I don't care what you do for a living, if it is your first day or last day on the job. You should be paid enough to buy your own groceries without taxpayer assistance.
"The minimum wage was designed to create a minimum standard of living to protect the health and well-being of employees." -Cornell University Law School, Legal Information Institute
Groceries can be bought without taxpayer assistance by min wage earners and given the wide swings in the cost of living by state, the federal gov't has no biz setting a national standard. This battle is all about throwing the unions a bone. The groceries argument is strictly a smokescreen.
State's have a right to set their own min wage, and some do outside of Federal requirements. But the Federal govt has a constitutional right to regulate interstate trade.
People who are making min wage get foodstamps.
Not all peeps who make min wage get food stamps and people who are jobless get food stamps AND welfare. If you have no marketable skills you have to start somewhere.
The starting point should not be welfare. Anyone who is getting up and going to work everyday should not be relying on foodstamps in order to get by. WalMart is the biggest employer of workers on public assistance. That is a substandard starting point that is a drain on our economy, not beneficial.
BS.
Gov't dictated higher wages at the bottom of the scale means higher wages - and higher prices - for everyone, leaving those at the bottom with the same dilemma they now have (but they'll need a wheelbarrow to carry around the almost worthless cash) ... poverty. The only way out of that dilemma is for the worker to become more valuable to potential employers.
You can call BS all you want, but all historical data shows just the opposite of what you are saying. The min wage today is 26% less than it was in 1974. Is your cost of living 26% less?
You're becoming shrill and desperate. Using snapshots is disingenuous at best. The point remains that gov't dictated higher wages at the bottom of the scale means higher wages - and higher prices - for everyone, leaving those at the bottom with the same dilemma they now have (but they'll need a wheelbarrow to carry around the almost worthless cash) ... poverty. The only way out of that dilemma is for the worker to become more valuable to potential employers.
