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Yeah time...doesn't happen overnite…..meanwhile lets not use all the nat gas we have sitting around nooooooo….that's evilI've watched it evolve for decades
~S~
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Yeah time...doesn't happen overnite…..meanwhile lets not use all the nat gas we have sitting around nooooooo….that's evilI've watched it evolve for decades
~S~
I was very encouraged to see this article this morning.
Those of us who actually want to do something about climate change knows that it has to be a bipartisan debate and solution. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe when all participate, the best ideas rise to the top and are able to be implemented. Compromise and putting what's best for our nation should allow us to at least agree on some things and work on those things we agree on.
Republicans who believe in climate change seek antidote to Green New Deal
If we don't do something about this soon, most major rivers in all of America will look like the Nisqualy River does now.
If you like to eat food, I'm sure you can agree that we can't keep allowing our rivers, that provide the water that grows that food, to be reduced to what has happened to rivers and lakes all over our nation.
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The underlying irony of all this is that conservation is a conservative issue. Conservatives should be leading it.
We already use an alternative to fossil fuels and every winter the EPA raises holy hell because of the particulates generated by heating with wood.In my state, we have lots of rivers and lots of wetlands spread over immense lands. Building dams in order to provide alternative hydroelectric power would cause irreparable damage to the wetlands and the distribution systems required to bring that power to the users would be expensive and further damage the habitat. How do you reconcile the environmental damage done by establishment of alternative power sources?They're excited about taxing anything they can Dana....~S~
I don't understand what you mean.
My state has been moving to alternatives and renewables for a long time now.
Yes we have a lot of rivers and dams that create our energy and provide around 60% of our energy in my state. I understand not all states have that natural resource.
They do have the sun and wind though. Just like my state does. We an area here that's called he Saudi Arabia of wind. We've been building windmills all over that area since the 90s. We have another area of the state that is desert and gets sun most of the year. We have developed those natural resources. We also have a small nuclear site that provides energy to the middle of nowhere in a corner of my state. I'm not a fan of nuclear anything but understand that people in the middle of nowhere do need energy.
The people of my state passed an initiative that requires our state to get a certain amount of our energy from alternative sources.
We haven't lost any energy here. It doesn't cost much beyond building the wind and sun farms. Except when those wind farms first came on line it was more energy than what the existing grid could handle so we voted to increase our taxes to build that new grid to handle all that new energy.
We sell our excess energy to other neighboring states. We also have the third lowest electric rates in the nation. I just paid my electric bill for last month. February was a very cold month here filled with a lot of snow. The bill was 54 dollars. Winter is the high rate season here.
Did you read and comprehend what I posted?
I said I understand that other states don't have that natural resource like my state has.
You obviously live in a place that can't develop that natural resource.
You can encourage our government and private business to start developing other alternatives to fossil fuels.
I bet the sun shines where you live. And I bet the wind blows too. Even if there's clouds in the sky the sun is out and that energy can be developed.
I know we all have brains and can work to find solutions. Just as I see some republicans finally doing.
You won't have those wetlands if climate change reduces the source of that water.
I'm trying to get humans to not destroy that source of water that creates the areas in your state.
I was very encouraged to see this article this morning.
Those of us who actually want to do something about climate change knows that it has to be a bipartisan debate and solution. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe when all participate, the best ideas rise to the top and are able to be implemented. Compromise and putting what's best for our nation should allow us to at least agree on some things and work on those things we agree on.
Republicans who believe in climate change seek antidote to Green New Deal
If we don't do something about this soon, most major rivers in all of America will look like the Nisqualy River does now.
If you like to eat food, I'm sure you can agree that we can't keep allowing our rivers, that provide the water that grows that food, to be reduced to what has happened to rivers and lakes all over our nation.
View attachment 249593
The underlying irony of all this is that conservation is a conservative issue. Conservatives should be leading it.
Who told you that?
I was very encouraged to see this article this morning.
Those of us who actually want to do something about climate change knows that it has to be a bipartisan debate and solution. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe when all participate, the best ideas rise to the top and are able to be implemented. Compromise and putting what's best for our nation should allow us to at least agree on some things and work on those things we agree on.
Republicans who believe in climate change seek antidote to Green New Deal
If we don't do something about this soon, most major rivers in all of America will look like the Nisqualy River does now.
If you like to eat food, I'm sure you can agree that we can't keep allowing our rivers, that provide the water that grows that food, to be reduced to what has happened to rivers and lakes all over our nation.
View attachment 249593
The underlying irony of all this is that conservation is a conservative issue. Conservatives should be leading it.
Who told you that?
Serioiusly?
Etymology. Captain Obvious strikes again.
We already use an alternative to fossil fuels and every winter the EPA raises holy hell because of the particulates generated by heating with wood.In my state, we have lots of rivers and lots of wetlands spread over immense lands. Building dams in order to provide alternative hydroelectric power would cause irreparable damage to the wetlands and the distribution systems required to bring that power to the users would be expensive and further damage the habitat. How do you reconcile the environmental damage done by establishment of alternative power sources?They're excited about taxing anything they can Dana....~S~
I don't understand what you mean.
My state has been moving to alternatives and renewables for a long time now.
Yes we have a lot of rivers and dams that create our energy and provide around 60% of our energy in my state. I understand not all states have that natural resource.
They do have the sun and wind though. Just like my state does. We an area here that's called he Saudi Arabia of wind. We've been building windmills all over that area since the 90s. We have another area of the state that is desert and gets sun most of the year. We have developed those natural resources. We also have a small nuclear site that provides energy to the middle of nowhere in a corner of my state. I'm not a fan of nuclear anything but understand that people in the middle of nowhere do need energy.
The people of my state passed an initiative that requires our state to get a certain amount of our energy from alternative sources.
We haven't lost any energy here. It doesn't cost much beyond building the wind and sun farms. Except when those wind farms first came on line it was more energy than what the existing grid could handle so we voted to increase our taxes to build that new grid to handle all that new energy.
We sell our excess energy to other neighboring states. We also have the third lowest electric rates in the nation. I just paid my electric bill for last month. February was a very cold month here filled with a lot of snow. The bill was 54 dollars. Winter is the high rate season here.
Did you read and comprehend what I posted?
I said I understand that other states don't have that natural resource like my state has.
You obviously live in a place that can't develop that natural resource.
You can encourage our government and private business to start developing other alternatives to fossil fuels.
I bet the sun shines where you live. And I bet the wind blows too. Even if there's clouds in the sky the sun is out and that energy can be developed.
I know we all have brains and can work to find solutions. Just as I see some republicans finally doing.
You won't have those wetlands if climate change reduces the source of that water.
I'm trying to get humans to not destroy that source of water that creates the areas in your state.
You can be the sun shines, some of the time, but when it only shines for a few hours, rising just barely above the horizon, and in many places, it doesn't rise at all for months, solar is only a viable option in the summer.
Wind generation has been tried but found inadequate to provide sufficient power for the largest city in this state. In other places, you would have to clear cut a lot of trees to make space for wind generators and the wind is not that reliable, anyhow.
And don't you worry. If climate change (LOL) advances, we will have loads of arable land where wetlands once laid. Let the farming begin!
So, what personal steps are you taking to change your power usage? How do you stay warm? How do you move water to your home, and how do you dispose of the waste you generate?
I still believe when all participate, the best ideas rise to the top
If we are serious about climate change, we would have declared war on India and China by now.
China is serious about climate change efforts but it's not easy to just stop using coal and oil when you you're trying to meet the energy needs of 1.3 billion people. It's an incredibly steep endeavor. A lot of people don't actually comprehend the magnitude of the challenge.
If we are serious about climate change, we would have declared war on India and China by now.
If we are serious about climate change, we would have declared war on India and China by now.
India and China are third-world countries.
Love driving by solar farms buried in snow and then have the utilities ask people to turn off everything they can and their heat down to 60 cause there isn't enough power...….how progressive
If we are serious about climate change, we would have declared war on India and China by now.
China is serious about climate change efforts but it's not easy to just stop using coal and oil when you you're trying to meet the energy needs of 1.3 billion people. It's an incredibly steep endeavor. A lot of people don't actually comprehend the magnitude of the challenge.
In the northern plains like South Dakota where I live, alternative energy is very unreliable, very expensive and certainly not viable.They're excited about taxing anything they can Dana....~S~
I don't understand what you mean.
My state has been moving to alternatives and renewables for a long time now.
Yes we have a lot of rivers and dams that create our energy and provide around 60% of our energy in my state. I understand not all states have that natural resource.
They do have the sun and wind though. Just like my state does. We have an area here that's called he Saudi Arabia of wind. We've been building windmills all over that area since the 90s. We have another area of the state that is desert and gets sun most of the year. We have developed those natural resources. We also have a small nuclear site that provides energy to the middle of nowhere in a corner of my state. I'm not a fan of nuclear anything but understand that people in the middle of nowhere do need energy.
The people of my state passed an initiative that requires our state to get a certain amount of our energy from alternative sources.
We haven't lost any energy here. It doesn't cost much beyond building the wind and sun farms. Except when those wind farms first came on line it was more energy than what the existing grid could handle so we voted to increase our taxes to build that new grid to handle all that new energy.
We sell our excess energy to other neighboring states. We also have the third lowest electric rates in the nation. I just paid my electric bill for last month. February was a very cold month here filled with a lot of snow. The bill was 54 dollars. Winter is the high rate season here.
LolI was very encouraged to see this article this morning.
Those of us who actually want to do something about climate change knows that it has to be a bipartisan debate and solution. Maybe I'm old school but I still believe when all participate, the best ideas rise to the top and are able to be implemented. Compromise and putting what's best for our nation should allow us to at least agree on some things and work on those things we agree on.
Republicans who believe in climate change seek antidote to Green New Deal
If we don't do something about this soon, most major rivers in all of America will look like the Nisqualy River does now.
If you like to eat food, I'm sure you can agree that we can't keep allowing our rivers, that provide the water that grows that food, to be reduced to what has happened to rivers and lakes all over our nation.
View attachment 249593
The underlying irony of all this is that conservation is a conservative issue. Conservatives should be leading it.
The only thing conservatives lead the way to is money and power. They don't seem to give a damn about anything else.
We already use an alternative to fossil fuels and every winter the EPA raises holy hell because of the particulates generated by heating with wood.In my state, we have lots of rivers and lots of wetlands spread over immense lands. Building dams in order to provide alternative hydroelectric power would cause irreparable damage to the wetlands and the distribution systems required to bring that power to the users would be expensive and further damage the habitat. How do you reconcile the environmental damage done by establishment of alternative power sources?They're excited about taxing anything they can Dana....~S~
I don't understand what you mean.
My state has been moving to alternatives and renewables for a long time now.
Yes we have a lot of rivers and dams that create our energy and provide around 60% of our energy in my state. I understand not all states have that natural resource.
They do have the sun and wind though. Just like my state does. We an area here that's called he Saudi Arabia of wind. We've been building windmills all over that area since the 90s. We have another area of the state that is desert and gets sun most of the year. We have developed those natural resources. We also have a small nuclear site that provides energy to the middle of nowhere in a corner of my state. I'm not a fan of nuclear anything but understand that people in the middle of nowhere do need energy.
The people of my state passed an initiative that requires our state to get a certain amount of our energy from alternative sources.
We haven't lost any energy here. It doesn't cost much beyond building the wind and sun farms. Except when those wind farms first came on line it was more energy than what the existing grid could handle so we voted to increase our taxes to build that new grid to handle all that new energy.
We sell our excess energy to other neighboring states. We also have the third lowest electric rates in the nation. I just paid my electric bill for last month. February was a very cold month here filled with a lot of snow. The bill was 54 dollars. Winter is the high rate season here.
Did you read and comprehend what I posted?
I said I understand that other states don't have that natural resource like my state has.
You obviously live in a place that can't develop that natural resource.
You can encourage our government and private business to start developing other alternatives to fossil fuels.
I bet the sun shines where you live. And I bet the wind blows too. Even if there's clouds in the sky the sun is out and that energy can be developed.
I know we all have brains and can work to find solutions. Just as I see some republicans finally doing.
You won't have those wetlands if climate change reduces the source of that water.
I'm trying to get humans to not destroy that source of water that creates the areas in your state.
You can be the sun shines, some of the time, but when it only shines for a few hours, rising just barely above the horizon, and in many places, it doesn't rise at all for months, solar is only a viable option in the summer.
Wind generation has been tried but found inadequate to provide sufficient power for the largest city in this state. In other places, you would have to clear cut a lot of trees to make space for wind generators and the wind is not that reliable, anyhow.
And don't you worry. If climate change (LOL) advances, we will have loads of arable land where wetlands once laid. Let the farming begin!
So, what personal steps are you taking to change your power usage? How do you stay warm? How do you move water to your home, and how do you dispose of the waste you generate?
In the northern plains like South Dakota where I live, alternative energy is very unreliable, very expensive and certainly not viable.They're excited about taxing anything they can Dana....~S~
I don't understand what you mean.
My state has been moving to alternatives and renewables for a long time now.
Yes we have a lot of rivers and dams that create our energy and provide around 60% of our energy in my state. I understand not all states have that natural resource.
They do have the sun and wind though. Just like my state does. We have an area here that's called he Saudi Arabia of wind. We've been building windmills all over that area since the 90s. We have another area of the state that is desert and gets sun most of the year. We have developed those natural resources. We also have a small nuclear site that provides energy to the middle of nowhere in a corner of my state. I'm not a fan of nuclear anything but understand that people in the middle of nowhere do need energy.
The people of my state passed an initiative that requires our state to get a certain amount of our energy from alternative sources.
We haven't lost any energy here. It doesn't cost much beyond building the wind and sun farms. Except when those wind farms first came on line it was more energy than what the existing grid could handle so we voted to increase our taxes to build that new grid to handle all that new energy.
We sell our excess energy to other neighboring states. We also have the third lowest electric rates in the nation. I just paid my electric bill for last month. February was a very cold month here filled with a lot of snow. The bill was 54 dollars. Winter is the high rate season here.
While I’m for all of the above myself, Alternative energy needs to step up and pay for itself while doing want it supposed to do, before it can be considered as a viable alternative.
The northern plains basically has unlimited fossil fuels, With technology more and more are being found every day. Use them up till a better alternative can be proven...
Yep, Alternative energy is not viable on its own. We need all of the above. Every state has different one size fits all will never work for the good of the individual.We already use an alternative to fossil fuels and every winter the EPA raises holy hell because of the particulates generated by heating with wood.In my state, we have lots of rivers and lots of wetlands spread over immense lands. Building dams in order to provide alternative hydroelectric power would cause irreparable damage to the wetlands and the distribution systems required to bring that power to the users would be expensive and further damage the habitat. How do you reconcile the environmental damage done by establishment of alternative power sources?They're excited about taxing anything they can Dana....~S~
I don't understand what you mean.
My state has been moving to alternatives and renewables for a long time now.
Yes we have a lot of rivers and dams that create our energy and provide around 60% of our energy in my state. I understand not all states have that natural resource.
They do have the sun and wind though. Just like my state does. We an area here that's called he Saudi Arabia of wind. We've been building windmills all over that area since the 90s. We have another area of the state that is desert and gets sun most of the year. We have developed those natural resources. We also have a small nuclear site that provides energy to the middle of nowhere in a corner of my state. I'm not a fan of nuclear anything but understand that people in the middle of nowhere do need energy.
The people of my state passed an initiative that requires our state to get a certain amount of our energy from alternative sources.
We haven't lost any energy here. It doesn't cost much beyond building the wind and sun farms. Except when those wind farms first came on line it was more energy than what the existing grid could handle so we voted to increase our taxes to build that new grid to handle all that new energy.
We sell our excess energy to other neighboring states. We also have the third lowest electric rates in the nation. I just paid my electric bill for last month. February was a very cold month here filled with a lot of snow. The bill was 54 dollars. Winter is the high rate season here.
Did you read and comprehend what I posted?
I said I understand that other states don't have that natural resource like my state has.
You obviously live in a place that can't develop that natural resource.
You can encourage our government and private business to start developing other alternatives to fossil fuels.
I bet the sun shines where you live. And I bet the wind blows too. Even if there's clouds in the sky the sun is out and that energy can be developed.
I know we all have brains and can work to find solutions. Just as I see some republicans finally doing.
You won't have those wetlands if climate change reduces the source of that water.
I'm trying to get humans to not destroy that source of water that creates the areas in your state.
You can be the sun shines, some of the time, but when it only shines for a few hours, rising just barely above the horizon, and in many places, it doesn't rise at all for months, solar is only a viable option in the summer.
Wind generation has been tried but found inadequate to provide sufficient power for the largest city in this state. In other places, you would have to clear cut a lot of trees to make space for wind generators and the wind is not that reliable, anyhow.
And don't you worry. If climate change (LOL) advances, we will have loads of arable land where wetlands once laid. Let the farming begin!
So, what personal steps are you taking to change your power usage? How do you stay warm? How do you move water to your home, and how do you dispose of the waste you generate?