Zone1 Another GARBAGE translation is why people believe the LIE that God endorses slavery

[zaangalewa]

Like I have said before, worry about your own soul. My soul is my concern. ...

Hmmm ... and what about if you don't have a soul? What are you concerned about in this case?



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[zaangalewa]

So in other words you can't name one single belief of mine that is un-Christian.

To believe that none of your beliefs is un-Christian is not directly un-Christian but also not really compatible with the Catholic faith "nobody is perfect".

I happen to believe that you are the malicious one. ....

That's really a good one. Did you learn to argue in such forms of madness from Donald Trump or from Vladimir Putin? If you remember, fake-Catholic: Your problem started because you said to me I think you are bad and I answered 'I do not think so, I think you are malicious'. You are also using now 'my' argument "You are not god" - what I said in a special context to you (to pay attenttion to this fact) and you use it now continuously in a personally defaming way. But what you do not do is to try to give a philosophical anwser to anything what I said to you. Sure has no one to be a philosopher who likes to be a catholic Christian; the Catholic world is very colored in many dimensions - but when you argue with words then Catholics normally do not use sophisticated forms to think but philosophical forms to think.

Short: I am as a Catholic not able to identify you to be a Catholic in a not only superificial form to be a part of the church. I guess you are not educated to be a Catholic.

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[ding]

Hmmm ... and what about if you don't have a soul? What are you concerned about in this case?



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Leave it to you to think that.

 

[ding]

To believe that none of your beliefs is un-Christian is not directly un-Christian but also not really compatible with the Catholic faith "nobody is perfect".

But bearing false witness is.

 

[ding]

That's really a good one. Did you learn to argue in such forms of madness from Donald Trump or from Vladimir Putin? If you remember, fake-Catholic: Your problem started because you said to me I think you are bad and I answered 'I do not think so, I think you are malicious'. You are also using now 'my' argument "You are not god" - what I said in a special context to you (to pay attenttion to this fact) and you use it now continuously in a personally defaming way. But what you do not do is to try to give a philosophical anwser to anything what I said to you. Sure has no one to be a philosopher who likes to be a catholic Christian; the Catholic world is very colored in many dimensions - but when you argue with words then Catholics normally do not use sophisticated forms to think but philosophical forms to think.

Short: I am as a Catholic not able to identify you to be a Catholic in a not only superificial form to be a part of the church. I guess you are not educated to be a Catholic.

No. Your personal attacks began well before that. And still continue today. You are only harming yourself.

 

[zaangalewa]

But bearing false witness is.

Okay - you are not able to learn. You did not read or try to understand what I said to you about this "concern". You use always only the same cliches and repeat it. What are you really interested in and why do you try to misuse the Catholic faith for this intentions? What is your real problem?

 

[DudleySmith]

Ok, fair enough. But why don't MODERN English Bibles use "servant" instead of slave in the verse I provided in my OP?

My NKJV uses 'servant'.

Why not read all English versions before babbling rubbish that so easily refuted as bullshit?

Outside of war captives, 'slavery' was a lot more like indentured servitude in the days of the legal code when Leviticus was written. People sold themselves voluntarily to pay of debts or simply to eat and live under a roof. And, not all Jews followed the laws, so there will always be examples of Jews Behaving Badly; it's a major theme in the OT.

Jewish views on slavery - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Ancient Israelite society allowed slavery; however, total domination of one human being by another was not permitted.[17][18] Rather, slavery in antiquity among the Israelites was closer to what would later be called indentured servitude.[16] Slaves were seen as an essential part of a Hebrew household.[19] In fact, there were cases in which, from a slave's point of view, the stability of servitude under a family in which the slave was well-treated would have been preferable to economic freedom.[20]

It is impossible for scholars to quantify the number of slaves that were owned by Hebrews in ancient Israelite society, or what percentage of households owned slaves, but it is possible to analyze social, legal, and economic impacts of slavery.[21]

The Hebrew Bible contains two sets of rules governing slaves: one set for Hebrew slaves (Lev 25:39-43) and a second set for Canaanite slaves (Lev 25:45-46).[1][obsolete source][22] The main source of non-Hebrew slaves were prisoners of war.[19] Hebrew slaves, in contrast to non-Hebrew slaves, became slaves either because of extreme poverty (in which case they could sell themselves to an Israelite owner) or because of inability to pay a debt.[17] According to the Hebrew Bible, non-Hebrew slaves were drawn primarily from the neighboring Canaanite nations,[23] and religious justification was provided for the enslavement of these neighbors: the rules governing Canaanites was based on a curse aimed at Canaan, a son of Ham,[24] but in later eras the Canaanite slavery laws were stretched to apply to all non-Hebrew slaves.[23]Jewish views on slavery - Wikipedia

Keep in mind Jewish religion and Jewish ethnicity are not the same thing. Many Hasidic and Orthodox Jews even today consider non-Jews as sub-humans and not 'people' as referred to in the laws, and interpret such words as 'neighbors' as meaning fellow Jews and not non-Jews, etc. Ezra and the Babylonians the Persians set up as a buffer state of course 're-interpreted' and changed a lot of the laws to suit themselves and their racist cult doesn't much resemble the Hebrewism and laws of Moses, despite all the posturing. Don't go by the censored Torahs and associated texts put out today by rabbinical cultists.

 

[ding]

Okay - you are not able to learn. You did not read or try to understand what I said to you about this "concern". You use always only the same cliches and repeat it. What are you really interested in and why do you try to misuse the Catholic faith for this intentions? What is your real problem?

My problem is you aren't easy to understand, but what I can understand I don't like because I believe you are being malicious. You aren't trying to help me, you are satisfying your own evil intent.

How am I misusing the Catholic faith? Please be specific. Use the quote feature to quote me and then explain how I misused the Catholic faith.

 

[zaangalewa]

My problem is you

No.

aren't easy to understand, but what I can understand I don't like because I believe you are being malicious. You aren't trying to help me, you are satisfying your own evil intent.

How am I misusing the Catholic faith? Please be specific. Use the quote feature to quote me and then explain how I misused the Catholic faith.

Empty phrases. Your react on nothing what someone else is saying to you. You ran around your Litfaß-Säule (poster pillar) and cry "You have walled me in". You are your own prison.

 

[K9Buck]

Indentured servant is similar to slave from what I understand?

When owners bought slaves or indentured servants, they were buying the slave/indentured servant by paying the debt that servant owed to another person.

With slaves during the era, they were mostly criminals serving time or due to serve imprisonment....that were bought...

This is what i was lead to believe about the time period....?

That's probably accurate. I think the more accurate translation would be "servant", as the YLT Bible uses, instead of "slave" as most English versions use.

 

[ding]

No.



Empty phrases. Your react on nothing what someone else is saying to you. You ran around your Litfaß-Säule (poster pillar) and cry "You have walled me in". You are your own prison.

Unless you have something more specific than vague unsubstantiated accusations this is a waste of my time.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

It's the best selling book of all time by a wide margin.

So what? That's the result of European colonialism. Duh.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Another GARBAGE translation is why people believe the LIE that God endorses slavery

That’s ridiculous.

There is no ‘god’ as perceived by theists; consequently, there was no ‘endorsement’ of slavery.

Men have likely attempted to condone slavery via religious justification, claiming the ‘god’ they created approved of the practice.

 

[ding]

So what? That's the result of European colonialism. Duh.

According to Darwin things don't continue to exist for no reason. They continue to exist because they offer functional advantages.

 

[K9Buck]

That’s ridiculous.

There is no ‘god’ as perceived by theists; consequently, there was no ‘endorsement’ of slavery.

Men have likely attempted to condone slavery via religious justification, claiming the ‘god’ they created approved of the practice.

I came here to spread the good news to the handful of people that have the ears to hear. The rest are incapable of hearing because they are NOT of God.

John 8:47

English Standard Version

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47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

 

[ding]

I came here to spread the good news to the handful of people that have the ears to hear. The rest are incapable of hearing because they are NOT of God.

John 8:47​

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English Standard Version​

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47 Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.”

It essentially comes down to worshiping the creator or worshiping the created. By definition atheists are materialists. Consider liberalism, socialism and communism.... Every single proclamation is about man's earthly happiness by satisfying his material needs and primitive instincts.

 

[ninja007]

The English Standard Version (hereafter referred to as the ESV) is deadly and needs to be exposed! The publishers mislead people when they claim that the ESV is a "word-for-word translation" of the original Greek.1 What they DON'T tell people is that there is a raging debate over which "original" Greek texts are trustworthy. The ESV is based upon an entirely DIFFERENT Greek text than the precious King James Bible. I wouldn't give you a dime for the ESV or any other modern "version" of the Bible, because they're all based upon the corrupt Greek work of heretics Westcott and Hort. Thank God for the reliable King James Bible!


The Bible teaches in John 8:44 that the Devil is a LIAR and the father of all liars. The Bible also teaches in 2nd Corinthians 11:13-14 that Satan masquerades himself as an Angel of Light who relentlessly works to pervert, corrupt and deceive. Satan's teachers are everywhere.


In today's apostate world, few people can distinguish between truth and error. The Word of God is our only defense. This is why Jesus commanded in John 5:39... SEARCH THE SCRIPTURES!!! Is it any wonder why Satan is corrupting the Scriptures to prevent people from obeying Jesus' command in John 5:39? Not at all. The ESV is just another attempt of Satan to malign and twist the Word of God into a lie.



The ESV Corrupts 1st John 5:7


Here's 1st John 5:7 from the ESV...

"For there are three that testify."

Now here's the trustworthy King James Bible...

"For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

Obviously, the ESV is not anywhere near accurate and is a lie of the Devil. Like all other corrupt modern versions of God's Word, the ESV removes the GODHEAD.



The ESV Corrupts Philippians 2:6


Now here's Philippians 2:6 from the ESV...

"who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped,"

Now here's the trustworthy King James Bible...

"Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:"

Clearly, the ESV robs Jesus Christ of His deity, claiming that He couldn't grasp being equal with God. Yet the King James Bible proclaims that Jesus is Almighty God (Revelation 1:8). God deliver us from the apostasy of our day, from all the Bible-corrupters and Christ-rejecters.


There are THOUSANDS of similar problems with the ESV and a large book could be written exposing it's deceptions and lies. I beseech you my friend, use only the King James Bible (and NOT the New King James Version either, it's corrupted too). Here's a compelling article exposing the numerous problems with the New International Version (NIV) of the Bible. By close comparison, you'll find that the SAME perversions are similar in the ESV and NIV, because they both originate in the same corrupt Greek text of heretics Westcott and Hort.



Lies, Lies and More Lies!


The following is quoted from the official website of the English Standard Version of the Bible...

The English Standard Version (ESV) Bible is a new, essentially literal Bible translation that combines word-for-word precision and accuracy with literary excellence, beauty, and depth of meaning...

SOURCE: Introduction to the ESV Bible

What they DON'T tell you is that they are using the CORRUPTED Greek texts of heretics Westcott and Hort, two unsaved men who hated the Word of God. The King James Bible came from an entirely different Greek text (the Textus Receptus) which originated from Antioch, Syria, where believers were first called "Christians" (Acts 11:26). The corrupted Greek text which Westcott and Hort used originated from Egypt.

Second, the ESV is special because it is a “word-for-word” translation. The Bible says every word was “breathed out by God” (2 Timothy 3:16). For this reason, the ESV seeks to translate the original Greek and Hebrew words with the greatest possible accuracy and precision.

SOURCE: Introduction to the ESV Bible

How can you have "accuracy and precession" if you have a perverted manuscript to begin with?

Third, the ESV is special because it carries forward the great historic stream of Bible versions in English—with literary excellence, beauty, and depth of meaning, in a fresh and compelling way.

SOURCE: Introduction to the ESV Bible

The ESV is a piece of garbage, containing the same lame mumbo-jumbo of the New International Version (NIV). All modern bibles are corrupt because they are all translated from the corrupt Greek texts of Westcott and Hort.


The ESV website further states...

Would you believe it took nearly 500 years to translate the ESV Bible? That’s because the ESV builds on the great translations of the past—including William Tyndale’s New Testament of 1526 and the King James Version (KJV) of 1611.

But the ESV Bible also builds on the best Christian scholarship of the last 100 years. The result is a fresh and compelling Bible translation with a timeless quality, that’s trustworthy and true ...

The result is a Bible that conveys the timeless quality of God’s Word and that remains trustworthy and true to the original words breathed out by God. As Moses wrote more than 3,000 years ago, the words of God are “your very life, and by this word you shall live” (Deuteronomy 32:47).

SOURCE: Introduction to the ESV Bible

What a bunch of rubbish! Please don't be deceived by the rhetoric, the ESV is no better than the perverted NIV. They've even stooped as far as to exploit the scholarship King James Translators...

With the greatest respect for the KJV and deep gratitude to its translators for their work, the English Standard Version Translation Team endeavored to carry on the KJV’s historic translation legacy in a way that is fresh and compelling for today and that will endure for generations to come.

SOURCE: From KJV to ESV: A Historical Legacy

It may all sound good on the surface (and I'm sure a lot of naive people will buy into the lie); but the ESV translators butchered the Word of God, even denying the Lord's deity in Philippians 2:6. Just as with the NIV, the ESV removes the word "worshipped" in Matthew 8:2, replacing it with the weaker word "knelt." Please read, Worship Jesus. Just as with the NIV perversion, the ESV removes important Biblical terms such as: Godhead, Calvary, Lucifer, sodomite, et cetera. I challenge you to compare all the problems with the NIV to the ESV and you'll find a striking similarity.



Beware of the ESV!


The English Standard Version is of the Devil. There's not a more trustworthy Bible available today in English than the precious King James Bible. Homosexuals, Christ-rejecters, sin-lovers, apostates, liberals, ecumenicals, false teachers who teach false gospels, the self-righteous and sinister ministers will love the ESV.

 

[DudleySmith]

What a bunch of rubbish! Please don't be deceived by the rhetoric, the ESV is no better than the perverted NIV. They've even stooped as far as to exploit the scholarship King James Translators...

Daniel Wallace and his followers have been trashing other translations because they want to sell their ESV. They are more than just a little dishonest about representing other versions, and so is K9, who has obviously never read any other English translation or he's lying, it's one or the other. Most versions are online and easily checked, not to mention posters here having a variety of versions as well.