Another mass shooting. Another assault rifle

[Chuz Life]

People need drugs. I agree with you they should be legalized.

That explains EVERYTHING!

If you disagree, please explain why.

If you want specific answers, you should consider asking more specific questions.

 

[RealDave]

You dickweeds do realize that by stating how other weapons can kill just as quickly that you are arguing there is no need for assault type weapons.

There is a need for whatever a free market demands, dipwad.

People need drugs. I agree with you they should be legalized.

That explains EVERYTHING!

I take/use no drugs. I just believe they should be legalized.

Did someone accuse you of USING drugs?

You.

 

[RealDave]

In reading this thread, the gun nuts have made it clear to me that since the doc did not use and assault rifle, but only a semi-automatic, then everything is hunky dory!

AR-15. Next.

Not an assault rifle

Next.

According to many bans, it is. Next

 

[Chuz Life]

There is a need for whatever a free market demands, dipwad.

People need drugs. I agree with you they should be legalized.

That explains EVERYTHING!

I take/use no drugs. I just believe they should be legalized.

Did someone accuse you of USING drugs?

You.

Quote it.

 

[RealDave]

As it is now, carrying an assault weapon is not illegal. Police would see him & do nothing

With a ban, the guy could be arrested for carrying it. They don't need telepathy as the law is being broken.

If these assault weapons provide no advantage other than looking scary, why the FUCK do you want them?

You are sofa king stupid you think the death toll between a crazy person with an assault weapon & one with a bolt action rifle or a knife or a baseball bat is all the same.

But Dave, he doesn't need an "assault weapon" to kill people. He can use an automatic pistol and kill just as many, just as quickly. Banning a certain kind of gun isn't going to change a mentally unstable person's state of mind.

The weapons you are calling "assault weapons" are just regular guns. They have some beneficial features like a carbon fiber stock which makes them lighter. They may have a noise suppressor which helps protect the user's hearing. They may be camouflage in color so they are more beneficial to hunting wild animals. They aren't any more deadly than a regular rifle. In fact, there are regular-looking rifles that are much more powerful than an AR-15 or AK-47.

Will you please stop for a minute and think about the number of people killed in numerous attacks across the UK in the past few months? These people have the most strict anti-gun laws in the world... did it prevent people from dying? NO! Look at Chicago... a city with the most stringent gun laws in America and you have more people being shot and killed there daily than in Afghanistan and Iraq. Banning guns doesn't stop people from being killed.

You dickweeds do realize that by stating how other weapons can kill just as quickly that you are arguing there is no need for assault type weapons.

And you still don't get it that the average everyday semiautomatic rifle that has been around since the 1860's is NOT an "assault" weapon

Look buttweed, I am aware of semi-automatic rifles and that would not be considered assault type weapons.

One difference is in available clip / magazine size

Wrong again. My mini 14 which is not classified as an "assault" rifle can take a 30 round magazine

I was referring to the semi automatic deer rifles.

 

[RealDave]

People need drugs. I agree with you they should be legalized.

That explains EVERYTHING!

I take/use no drugs. I just believe they should be legalized.

Did someone accuse you of USING drugs?

You.

Quote it.

Fuck off. You implied it. You know it.

 

[RealDave]

That's the commonly used term these days for a gun that will spray multiple bullets in a minute, a dozen or more depending on who you ask. That makes it an "assault" weapon, indeed, if you are the person being fired upon.

No...it doesn't...that is the lie the anti gunners use because they want to ban the weapon. The truth is that a military rifle must have select fire capability.......the AR-15 does not, and never has had this...and has never been used by the military....the definition you gave...fits most modern pistols...which is another thing the gun grabbers do...they bait and switch, here we were talking about rifles...but the definition you gave fits pistols too....which is why we don't trust anti gunners....

We had a ban on assault type rifles. Where were the other bans you keep whining about?

Many LWs want to ban all guns. This forum is replete with that idea. However, shredding the Constitution isn't a practical path for them. Slowly eating away at individual rights and eroding the meaning and intent of the Second Amendment in particular works much better for them. They use words like "for the children" and "common sense" but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty it's statements that mean restricting all free citizens from exercising their natural right of self-defense.

BTW, there is not such thing as an "assault rifle" much less an "assault type rifle". It's a fabricated term used by the anti-gun left that means "scary-looking rifle".

What is the difference between these two rifles, RealDave?

Would you call CPS on the parents of this young man?

Premise one is a lie ("Many LWs want to ban all guns"); no one in authority has ever proposed legislation to ban all guns. Most of us believe guns need to be controlled, and kept out of the hands of those who have a demonstrated a lack of self control (drugs, alcohol, domestic violence, etc.).

Any tool can be an assault weapon, from a hammer or screw driver to a a knife or a gun. Assault with a Deadly Weapon is a felony, though no real harm to the victim needs to have occurred.

It is already against the law for a felon to buy, own or carry a gun. If they are caught doing any of those things they can be arrested.....this can already be done, under current law.

If you use a gun to commit an actual crime, rape, robbery, murder, attempted murder, you can already be arrested...under current law, using any type of firearm.

We already have the laws for gun crimes........yet the anti gunners want more laws that solely target law abiding people, who have not, and do not use their guns to commit crimes....

Why is that?

A person is seen by law enforcement carrying an assault type rifle.

Without a ban, that is not illegal & the officer has no cause to stop him for ID to determine if he is a felon, if he is one.

Lanza was not a felon.

 

[Chuz Life]

That explains EVERYTHING!

I take/use no drugs. I just believe they should be legalized.

Did someone accuse you of USING drugs?

You.

Quote it.

Fuck off. You implied it. You know it.

You implied your idiotic mentality yourself.

Do druggies "need" drugs more than a law abiding citizen "needs" a gun to defend themself (especially from a tyrannical government?)

Which one's "need" is more keeping with what the founding fathers had in mind when they penned the Constitution?

 

[hunarcy]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

Another mass shooting, another angry Liberal guy.

 

[MikeK]

[...]

A It is illegal to knowingly sell a gun to a felon in almost every state and more and more states are now requiring that all private gun sales be brokered by a federally licensed dealer who is obligated to run a background check and keep a record of the transaction

[...]

That is the present situation in New Jersey and it, along with 99% of the increasing burden of gun laws in the U.S., is a big pain in the ass to say the least -- as well has having very little effect on the rate of gun crime and misuse statistics.

I'm recalling walking into a sporting goods store in Brooklyn back in the sixties, pointing to the military surplus M-1 Carbine, checking it over, handing over the cash and walking out with it (and two surplus bandoliers of .30 ammo) wrapped in brown paper with a receipt made out to "Cash." Not even fifteen minutes -- and no more paperwork than that receipt. Today it's easier to buy a home than to buy a gun.

The thing to focus on is back then there were substantially fewer gun crimes, accidents, and misuse events than there are today.

That was in Brooklyn, NY, not some rural Western cowboy town. My father was a locksmith, a proficient machinist and had a "gunsmithing" sign in the shop window. I often think of the difference in how common gun ownership was back then compared with today. Very few peaceful, law-abiding citizens have guns (in New York and New Jersey) but the criminal element clearly has no trouble getting all the guns they want.

So much for gun laws that deprive the law-abiding but not the criminals.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

"Nothing can be done" says only country where this sort of thing happens.

 

[2aguy]

"Nothing can be done" says only country where this sort of thing happens.

No one has said that....only you anti gunners who want to pass laws that actually don't address the problem.

As we keep telling you.....when you catch a felon with an illegal gun, you know, the guys who eventually shoot and kill people...you lock them up before they shoot and kill people, and you keep them locked up for 30 years so they can't get out and shoot and kill people.

When you catch an armed robber......30 years....especially if he used a gun.....

If you catch an attempted murderer and he used a gun...30 years.


You guys...you want to add paperwork when John Q. Law abiding citizen buys his gun........we have seen how that works out in Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., New Orlean...L.A...........

And then you fight to let violent criminals out in California and around the country...then you post stupid posts like the one you just posted..

We want to deal with actual criminals who use guns in actual criminal acts.......you want to punish law abiding gun owners.

 

[2aguy]

No...it doesn't...that is the lie the anti gunners use because they want to ban the weapon. The truth is that a military rifle must have select fire capability.......the AR-15 does not, and never has had this...and has never been used by the military....the definition you gave...fits most modern pistols...which is another thing the gun grabbers do...they bait and switch, here we were talking about rifles...but the definition you gave fits pistols too....which is why we don't trust anti gunners....

We had a ban on assault type rifles. Where were the other bans you keep whining about?

Many LWs want to ban all guns. This forum is replete with that idea. However, shredding the Constitution isn't a practical path for them. Slowly eating away at individual rights and eroding the meaning and intent of the Second Amendment in particular works much better for them. They use words like "for the children" and "common sense" but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty it's statements that mean restricting all free citizens from exercising their natural right of self-defense.

BTW, there is not such thing as an "assault rifle" much less an "assault type rifle". It's a fabricated term used by the anti-gun left that means "scary-looking rifle".

What is the difference between these two rifles, RealDave?

Would you call CPS on the parents of this young man?

Premise one is a lie ("Many LWs want to ban all guns"); no one in authority has ever proposed legislation to ban all guns. Most of us believe guns need to be controlled, and kept out of the hands of those who have a demonstrated a lack of self control (drugs, alcohol, domestic violence, etc.).

Any tool can be an assault weapon, from a hammer or screw driver to a a knife or a gun. Assault with a Deadly Weapon is a felony, though no real harm to the victim needs to have occurred.

It is already against the law for a felon to buy, own or carry a gun. If they are caught doing any of those things they can be arrested.....this can already be done, under current law.

If you use a gun to commit an actual crime, rape, robbery, murder, attempted murder, you can already be arrested...under current law, using any type of firearm.

We already have the laws for gun crimes........yet the anti gunners want more laws that solely target law abiding people, who have not, and do not use their guns to commit crimes....

Why is that?

A person is seen by law enforcement carrying an assault type rifle.

Without a ban, that is not illegal & the officer has no cause to stop him for ID to determine if he is a felon, if he is one.

Lanza was not a felon.

Yes...he does have cause, twit...it is called disturbing the peace....he can then see if the guy is a felon, if he is he can arrest him.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

"Nothing can be done" says only country where this sort of thing happens.

No one has said that....only you anti gunners who want to pass laws that actually don't address the problem.

As we keep telling you.....when you catch a felon with an illegal gun, you know, the guys who eventually shoot and kill people...you lock them up before they shoot and kill people, and you keep them locked up for 30 years so they can't get out and shoot and kill people.

When you catch an armed robber......30 years....especially if he used a gun.....

If you catch an attempted murderer and he used a gun...30 years.


You guys...you want to add paperwork when John Q. Law abiding citizen buys his gun........we have seen how that works out in Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., New Orlean...L.A...........

And then you fight to let violent criminals out in California and around the country...then you post stupid posts like the one you just posted..

We want to deal with actual criminals who use guns in actual criminal acts.......you want to punish law abiding gun owners.

You have far too many guns and that is why you are killing each other. Ban guns and then lock up anyone caught with one. That would make everyone safer.

 

[2aguy]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

Another NRA mass shooting.

Dip shit...please...explain where the NRA supports mass shootings.....you guys, you support letting criminals out of jail while the NRA actually tries to prevent it....

Notice the crimes that the gun grabbing democrats are allowing to go free.......gun crimes...selling guns....and the NRA is fighting you to keep those violent criminals in jail...

California Democrats hate the gun, not the gunman – Orange County Register

Now that Democrats have supermajorities in the California state Legislature, they’ve rolled into Sacramento with a zest for lowering the state’s prison population and have interpreted St. Augustine’s words of wisdom to mean, “Hate the gun, not the gunman.”

I say this because, once they finally took a break from preaching about the benefits of stricter gun control, the state Senate voted to loosen sentencing guidelines for criminals convicted of gun crimes.

Currently, California law requires anyone who uses a gun while committing a felony to have their sentence increased by 10 years or more in prison — on top of the normal criminal penalty. If enacted, Senate Bill 620 would eliminate that mandate.

The bill, which passed on a 22-14 party-line vote, with support only from Democrats, now heads to the state Assembly for consideration.

Republicans and the National Rifle Association have vowed to campaign against it.

Why have Democrats suddenly developed a soft spot for criminals convicted of gun crimes? The bill’s author, state Sen. Steve Bradford, D-Gardena, says that he was motivated to write the bill after a 17-year-old riding in a car involved in a drive-by shooting was sentenced to 25 years in prison, even though he claims that he wasn’t the one who pulled the trigger.

and for all those anti-gunners who want to know where criminals get guns....well...this law lowers the prison time for those who give guns to criminals.....

Why is that?

Prop. 57, for example, very deceptively and fundamentally changed the definition of what constitutes a “non-violent” offense.

Now criminals convicted of the following crimes are eligible to be released from prison early: rape by intoxication, rape of an unconscious person, human trafficking involving sex acts with minors, drive-by shooting, assault with a deadly weapon, taking a hostage, domestic violence involving trauma,

supplying a firearm to a gang member,

lewd acts upon a child, hate crime causing physical injury, failing to register as a sex offender, arson causing great bodily injury,

felon obtaining a firearm,

discharging a firearm on school grounds

and false imprisonment of an elder. Just to name a few.

 

[PredFan]

Mass shooting in hospital where the shooter used an assault type rifle.

But hey, if only doctors were armed.

Yup. If it wasn't a gun free zone, they would all be alive.

 

[2aguy]

Many LWs want to ban all guns. This forum is replete with that idea. However, shredding the Constitution isn't a practical path for them. Slowly eating away at individual rights and eroding the meaning and intent of the Second Amendment in particular works much better for them. They use words like "for the children" and "common sense" but when it comes down to the nitty-gritty it's statements that mean restricting all free citizens from exercising their natural right of self-defense.

BTW, there is not such thing as an "assault rifle" much less an "assault type rifle". It's a fabricated term used by the anti-gun left that means "scary-looking rifle".

What is the difference between these two rifles, RealDave?

Would you call CPS on the parents of this young man?

Premise one is a lie ("Many LWs want to ban all guns"); no one in authority has ever proposed legislation to ban all guns. Most of us believe guns need to be controlled, and kept out of the hands of those who have a demonstrated a lack of self control (drugs, alcohol, domestic violence, etc.).

Any tool can be an assault weapon, from a hammer or screw driver to a a knife or a gun. Assault with a Deadly Weapon is a felony, though no real harm to the victim needs to have occurred.

It is already against the law for a felon to buy, own or carry a gun. If they are caught doing any of those things they can be arrested.....this can already be done, under current law.

If you use a gun to commit an actual crime, rape, robbery, murder, attempted murder, you can already be arrested...under current law, using any type of firearm.

We already have the laws for gun crimes........yet the anti gunners want more laws that solely target law abiding people, who have not, and do not use their guns to commit crimes....

Why is that?

Q. How do felons acquire a gun.

Q. What laws are in place and enforced to prevent the sale of a gun to a felon, by a private party.

Q. The 2nd A. which you argue is clear in its "shall not be infringed" phrase, allows the state to deny this right to felons.

A. They buy it via illegal avenues from other criminals
A It is illegal to knowingly sell a gun to a felon in almost every state and more and more states are now requiring that all private gun sales be brokered by am Federally licensed dealer who is obligated to run a background check and keep a record of the transaction

A. Felons are denied other rights as well

But, but, but the only Right not to be infringed is the Second Amendment. Isn't that what you've always posted?

You can't have it both ways, if you agree a felon can be denied this Right, it opens the door for less restrictive gun controls, such as licensing and registration.

No....those are both unConstitutional.....licensing is a Poll Tax on the right to own a gun....

Registration violates the 14th Amendment.....felons do not have to register their illegal guns due to the Haynes v. United States decision.....they can't be compelled to register a gun because it violates their right against self incrimination....therefore neither can law abiding citizens...

And registration is stupid...it doesn't stop or solve gun crimes....and the only reason you want it is so that later, when you get the political power, you know where the guns are and who has them when you ban and order them turned in....

 

[2aguy]

You can remove guns but they will find another means of killing people. If a person wants to kill they will find a way. This man could have used a baseball bat,knife, bomb,chemical agent,vehicle. Timothy McVeigh and the first bombing of the WTC in 1993 were both trucks with bombs. The 2001 WTC were planes loaded with jet fuel, no gun necessary.

Timothy McVeigh - Wikipedia
1993 World Trade Center bombing - Wikipedia

The difference is in killing power.

Trucks & planes of other uses that killing.

IDK ISIS seems to be doing a decent enough job with cars, trucks and bombs. Matter of fact they haven't been using guns at all lately.

I'm more worried about the U.S. and the OP is about the shooting of six innocent doctors and med students going about their work at a hospital when they were gunned down by an ex coworker using an AR15, widely available in any hunting goods store and WalMart. We aren't talking about terrorists.

Why are you worried.....AR-15 rifles have been used to murder fewer than 167 people...over a period of 35 years...if you really want to worry, worry about the knife in your kicthen...knives are used over 1,500 times a year to commit murder......

Do you see the difference in numbers....

And again...as more Americans own and carry guns...our crime rate has dropped...a lot...

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

We had this same reply/response a few pages ago. knives are used 1,500 times a year to commit murder and at least three times as many murders have been committed this year (half way through) using guns.
The past few days have not been good for gun huggers. The young people spraying each other with gun fire at the Arkansas concert. The 18 year old killed in a road rage incident. The six doctors and med students shot in a Bronx hospital by a disgruntled ex employee. Without guns to use, these shootings would not have taken place.

Yeah...they would have.....the club shooting...gang violence...they can't buy, own or carry guns....the hospital shooting....he could have done the same thing with a shotgun....which is what the British guy did in Cumbria, Britain when he killed 12 people in 2010 with a double barreled shot gun and bolt action .22 rifle.....and the road rage....if that guy was going to commit murder over a traffic incident you don't think he would get an illegal gun?

And again....Britain....21 years after the gun ban and confiscation went into effect....they have rising gun crime.....gun crime across the country is up 7% and in London it is up 42%......and hand guns are being used by the gangs there in increasing numbers...the very guns they banned...

How is this possible Oldlady?

Police reveal worrying new gun gang trend

A surge in the availability of handguns is blighting Merseyside’s criminal underworld and intensifying the brutality of gangland disputes.

Police fear a rise in handgun shootings is making gun crime more lethal due to increased power packed by the weapons compared to shotguns.

At least four of the 11 shootings on Merseyside in June were carried out with handguns-including the fatal blast that killed Yusuf Sonko.

Shotguns have typically been the weapon of choice for Merseyside’s gun thugs over recent years.

But that was because they were easier to access - thousands of shotguns are legally owned in the north west, typically in rural areas. Those collections have been known to be targeted by thieves looking to sell them on to gangs.

Now, a rise in handguns is raising the stakes among Merseyside criminals.

June’s most violent shootings saw handguns used. They were blasted in home raids in Seaforth and Fazakerley and at a teen on Church Road West in Walton. All three incidents saw men rushed to hospital.

 

[2aguy]

"Nothing can be done" says only country where this sort of thing happens.

No one has said that....only you anti gunners who want to pass laws that actually don't address the problem.

As we keep telling you.....when you catch a felon with an illegal gun, you know, the guys who eventually shoot and kill people...you lock them up before they shoot and kill people, and you keep them locked up for 30 years so they can't get out and shoot and kill people.

When you catch an armed robber......30 years....especially if he used a gun.....

If you catch an attempted murderer and he used a gun...30 years.


You guys...you want to add paperwork when John Q. Law abiding citizen buys his gun........we have seen how that works out in Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., New Orlean...L.A...........

And then you fight to let violent criminals out in California and around the country...then you post stupid posts like the one you just posted..

We want to deal with actual criminals who use guns in actual criminal acts.......you want to punish law abiding gun owners.

You have far too many guns and that is why you are killing each other. Ban guns and then lock up anyone caught with one. That would make everyone safer.

Hey....twit.....Britain did that....and you now have more gun crime and a lot...a lot, more violent crime....soooooo, you don't know what you are talking about...

Gun crime in London increases by 42% - BBC News

Gun crime offences in London surged by 42% in the last year, according to official statistics.
The Met Police's figures showed there were 2,544 gun crime offences from April 2016 to April 2017 compared to 1,793 offences from 2015 until 2016.
Knife crime also increased by 24% with 12,074 recorded offences from 2016 to 2017.
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Gun and knife crime soaring in London, official figures show

More worryingly, there was also a rise in the number of guns being fired on London’s streets, up from 239 cases in 2015/16 to 306 cases in the last financial year.

There was also a 20 per cent increase in the rate of knife attacks involving injuries to victims, up from 3,663 to 4,415 in 2016/17.

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“We are concerned about the rise of gun crime and rise of knife crime offences committed by young people and the changing nature of the offenders. “

He said there was evidence that more young people are carrying knives for a variety of reasons including status, criminality and self-protection but said only around a quarter are affiliated with gangs.

He said police were focusing on reducing stabbings by taking weapons and dangerous offenders off the streets and trying to prevent and divert people from crime.
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“With double-digit growth in gun and knife crime - and a youth homicide almost every fortnight - the crime challenge for London is real and serious and has serious impacts for London’s most disadvantaged communities.”
He added: “With 600 victims of serious youth violence each month, the Met needs a new plan to tackle the violence on our capital’s streets if they are to help impoverished communities.
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Violent crime on the rise in every corner of the country, figures suggest

But analysis of the figures force by force, showed the full extent of the problem, with only one constabulary, Nottinghamshire, recording a reduction in violent offences.

The vast majority of police forces actually witnessed double digit rises in violent crime, with Northumbria posting a 95 per cent increase year on year.

Of the other forces, Durham Police recorded a 73 per cent rise; West Yorkshire was up 48 per cent; Avon and Somerset 45 per cent; Dorset 39 per cent and Warwickshire 37 per cent.

Elsewhere Humberside, South Yorkshire, Staffordshire, Essex, Hertfordshire, Kent, Wiltshire and Dyfed Powys all saw violence rise by more than a quarter year on year.

 

[2aguy]

"Nothing can be done" says only country where this sort of thing happens.

No one has said that....only you anti gunners who want to pass laws that actually don't address the problem.

As we keep telling you.....when you catch a felon with an illegal gun, you know, the guys who eventually shoot and kill people...you lock them up before they shoot and kill people, and you keep them locked up for 30 years so they can't get out and shoot and kill people.

When you catch an armed robber......30 years....especially if he used a gun.....

If you catch an attempted murderer and he used a gun...30 years.


You guys...you want to add paperwork when John Q. Law abiding citizen buys his gun........we have seen how that works out in Chicago, Baltimore, D.C., New Orlean...L.A...........

And then you fight to let violent criminals out in California and around the country...then you post stupid posts like the one you just posted..

We want to deal with actual criminals who use guns in actual criminal acts.......you want to punish law abiding gun owners.

You have far too many guns and that is why you are killing each other. Ban guns and then lock up anyone caught with one. That would make everyone safer.

You banned guns......gun crime in Britain is going up, not down.....your violent crime...up 90% in some areas of England....

And after we bought more guns and started carrying them....?

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...
-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.
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