Another school shooting....time to arm the teachers?

[JimBowie1958]

Now, here's the thing.

All these folks were batshit crazy. They were still able to get guns.
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No shit, Sherlock. And if you ever come up with a usefull idea on how to keep that from happening we would love to hear it but all this pissing and moaning because the world is the way it is accomplishs nothing and becomes irritating very quickly.

There are simple ways.

1) Have a RIGOROUS background check for new guns sales. That means when Joker Holmes goes to buy a gun, we call his school, we call his mommy if he's under 30, we call his job, and when all of them tell us he's batshit crazy and ought to be medicated, not armed, we don't sell him a gun.

2) Everyone who currently has a gun needs to get licensed to have it, and the license should be as rigourous as getting one for an automobile. I'd go one further. I have a DL for my car, but not one for driving an 18 wheeler. You want a more powerful weapon, you have to a) show cause why you need that much firepower (Penis compensation doesn't count) and b) Have to undergo rigourous training.

3) Ban the sale or ownership of magazines with more than 10 round capacity.

4) Make the sale of guns at gun shows illegal. Period.

5) Make the sale of guns online illegal. Period.

6) Reinstitute the Assault Weapons Ban.

And not a damned one of those things would have stopped any of the massacres we have endured over the last twenty years, some done while the AWB was in place, you liar.

That is because your goal is NOT to stop the masacres. You libtards get too much mileage off them.

And if all that fails, we should do what every other industrialized democracy has done. Ban private gun ownership altogether, because that IS how the rest of the world works.

There are half a dozen industrialized countries in Europe who have much higher homicide rates than the US, you fucking liar.

List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Russia, the Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, and Georgia (in the Caucasus Mountain region). The US is way down that list; something that no doubt drives you fascist thugs fucking crazy, lol.

Would it kill you to ever use an actual fact?

 

[JoeB131]

And if all that fails, we should do what every other industrialized democracy has done. Ban private gun ownership altogether, because that IS how the rest of the world works.

There are half a dozen industrialized countries in Europe who have much higher homicide rates than the US, you fucking liar.


Russia, the Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, and Georgia (in the Caucasus Mountain region). The US is way down that list; something that no doubt drives you fascist thugs fucking crazy, lol.

Would it kill you to ever use an actual fact?

No one considers any of these Former Soviet Republics to be "Advanced Industiral Democracies"... which is the term I used...

 

[JoeB131]

Now, here's the thing.

All these folks were batshit crazy. They were still able to get guns.
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No shit, Sherlock. And if you ever come up with a usefull idea on how to keep that from happening we would love to hear it but all this pissing and moaning because the world is the way it is accomplishs nothing and becomes irritating very quickly.

There are simple ways.

1) Have a RIGOROUS background check for new guns sales. That means when Joker Holmes goes to buy a gun, we call his school, we call his mommy if he's under 30, we call his job, and when all of them tell us he's batshit crazy and ought to be medicated, not armed, we don't sell him a gun.

2) Everyone who currently has a gun needs to get licensed to have it, and the license should be as rigourous as getting one for an automobile. I'd go one further. I have a DL for my car, but not one for driving an 18 wheeler. You want a more powerful weapon, you have to a) show cause why you need that much firepower (Penis compensation doesn't count) and b) Have to undergo rigourous training.

3) Ban the sale or ownership of magazines with more than 10 round capacity.

4) Make the sale of guns at gun shows illegal. Period.

5) Make the sale of guns online illegal. Period.

6) Reinstitute the Assault Weapons Ban.

And not a damned one of those things would have stopped any of the massacres we have endured over the last twenty years, some done while the AWB was in place, you liar.

That is because your goal is NOT to stop the masacres. You libtards get too much mileage off them.

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Not a liberal, guy. Voted Republican in 7 of the last 8 presidential election. Might have voted GOP this time if you clowns didn't nominate a weird Mormon Robot.

You really don't think that if someone had done a real background check on Cho or Holmes, a tragedy couldn't have been averted?

When I got hired for my current job, I had to

1) Name three references.
2) Give a list of all my prior employers.
3) Undergo a credit check.
4) Undergo a drug test.
5) Fill out a lengthy application.

And mind you, nothing that happens on my job can kill people.

But Joker Holmes can walk into a gun store, pretty as you please, and buy an AR-15 with a hundred round barrel clip....

 

[KissMy]

The point is because Californbia is so strict on gun ownership I can almost gurantee if a kindergarten teacher used a firearm in a classroom killing someone who had a knife going for a kid the media would eat this up and rest assured many parents would question why a teacher would pop off in a classroom full of kids. That is my point!

So what? Threatening knife wielders get shot dead every day, even in NY & Cali. Would you rather they gut the children first? If Cali does not want such an awesome rock-star teacher, there are at least 40 other states who would love to have her.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

I am not going to sit here and assume each and every teacher carries a concealed weapons permit. The point is in an institution of higher learning like UCLA for example with campus police patrolling the interior and perimeter it is not necessary for a teacher to carry a concealed weapon to class regardless whether they're qualified or not. I don't care if they have a permit its a pointless thing for any teacher to come to school with a concealed gun.

Dude have you seen a college lecture class?

There can be over a hundred students in one class. What can a teacher do in the middle of a lecture while their back is turned and someone busts in with a Bushmaster AR-15? Nothing. The teacher won't do a barrel roll like their in the movie lethal weapon. Most likely they will end up apart of the fatalities. The point in all of this is answering violence with violence is not a viable solution THAT IS MY POINT

No one has said that but you will more than gladly make an assumption about your neuropsychology advisor


Yes but it has been a few years. and still is irrelevant.

The point is in an institution of higher learning like UCLA for example with campus police patrolling the interior and perimeter it is not necessary for a teacher to carry a concealed weapon to class regardless whether they're qualified or not. I don't care if they have a permit its a pointless thing for any teacher to come to school with a concealed gun.

Virginia tech have campus police and your point?
Let's cut to the meat what is your experience with firearms?

My experience with firearms?

I have a S&W Sigma SVE 9mm (stainless steel). I also have a glock 20.

In 2003 when I was 21 I used to work for Brinks part time. I had my exposed firearms permit. That was a year of paranoia. Although you are prepared most days often times people do not expect the unexpected. That is the case with Virginia Tech. Arming teachers will not prevent unexpected massacres. Beefing up security and police presence should be the deturing element. A physics professor cannot worry about both explaining the law of thermodynamics and potential school shootings

oh so since you were an armed guard for a short time you think you know about firearms. There are many examples of an armed citizen reacting to a shooter that could have ended up with a lot more deaths. two that I can think of off the top of my head the mall shooting in Oregon. And the elderly gentleman at the game room

[ame=http://youtu.be/D1jwj2bipLo]Armed 71 Year-old Elderly Man Stops Robbers and Saves Lives in Internet Cafe - YouTube[/ame]

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am an individual who does not tolerate enemies of America like you.

Jake just an observation, how about when you reply to someone, what about doing it correctly by putting their words in which you are replying to at the top, and then your response at the bottom or underneath theirs per your reply.. Makes sense doesn't it ? Like I said just an observation, but I know the button will have now been pushed, so I don't expect much in return. Just sayin...LOL

Jake is a troll and not a person who wants to discuss anything at all.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Sane America laughs at the fascists, such as JB and others.

JB is interesting in that his latent homo-erotica becomes quite evidence when he gets mad and projects his self-loathing onto others. Many of the SA socialist leadership he idolizes suffered from this illness.

His mental disease lessens somewhat when he is on his meds, but then he becomes even more angry.

I carry conceal. I imagine you do. No one is talking about taking our guns in power. What gun ban are you worried about?

Sane America is laughing at the anti-gun and the gun crazies.

Read the blogs, the newspapers online, and google it.

Jake the fucking Liar strikes again.

You dont fool anyone, Twinky. The gun grabbing whores like you are trying to accomplish by degree what you cant accomplish by an honest fucking vote.

Go tohell.

 

[JimBowie1958]

And if all that fails, we should do what every other industrialized democracy has done. Ban private gun ownership altogether, because that IS how the rest of the world works.

There are half a dozen industrialized countries in Europe who have much higher homicide rates than the US, you fucking liar.


Russia, the Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, and Georgia (in the Caucasus Mountain region). The US is way down that list; something that no doubt drives you fascist thugs fucking crazy, lol.

Would it kill you to ever use an actual fact?

No one considers any of these Former Soviet Republics to be "Advanced Industiral Democracies"... which is the term I used...

You fucking stupid ass liar, you lie even when you quote the very text that makes your lie plain. You did not say advanced, you simply said 'industrial democracy', which is just a weasel term anyway. What about a nation like Russia that can produce advanced stealth fighters makes it NOT an advanced industrial democaracy?

You libtards like to use loaded phrases to 'prove' your case when all you really prove is what a bunch of fucking liars you are.

 

[JimBowie1958]

There are simple ways.

1) Have a RIGOROUS background check for new guns sales. That means when Joker Holmes goes to buy a gun, we call his school, we call his mommy if he's under 30, we call his job, and when all of them tell us he's batshit crazy and ought to be medicated, not armed, we don't sell him a gun.

2) Everyone who currently has a gun needs to get licensed to have it, and the license should be as rigourous as getting one for an automobile. I'd go one further. I have a DL for my car, but not one for driving an 18 wheeler. You want a more powerful weapon, you have to a) show cause why you need that much firepower (Penis compensation doesn't count) and b) Have to undergo rigourous training.

3) Ban the sale or ownership of magazines with more than 10 round capacity.

4) Make the sale of guns at gun shows illegal. Period.

5) Make the sale of guns online illegal. Period.

6) Reinstitute the Assault Weapons Ban.

And not a damned one of those things would have stopped any of the massacres we have endured over the last twenty years, some done while the AWB was in place, you liar.

That is because your goal is NOT to stop the masacres. You libtards get too much mileage off them.

.

Not a liberal, guy. Voted Republican in 7 of the last 8 presidential election. Might have voted GOP this time if you clowns didn't nominate a weird Mormon Robot.

You really don't think that if someone had done a real background check on Cho or Holmes, a tragedy couldn't have been averted?

When I got hired for my current job, I had to

1) Name three references.
2) Give a list of all my prior employers.
3) Undergo a credit check.
4) Undergo a drug test.
5) Fill out a lengthy application.

And mind you, nothing that happens on my job can kill people.

But Joker Holmes can walk into a gun store, pretty as you please, and buy an AR-15 with a hundred round barrel clip....

The electronic background check does most of that, and wouldnt have made any difference anyway as these turds usually steal the guns anyway.

 

[JoeB131]

There are half a dozen industrialized countries in Europe who have much higher homicide rates than the US, you fucking liar.


Russia, the Ukraine, Lithuania, Estonia, Belarus, and Georgia (in the Caucasus Mountain region). The US is way down that list; something that no doubt drives you fascist thugs fucking crazy, lol.

Would it kill you to ever use an actual fact?

No one considers any of these Former Soviet Republics to be "Advanced Industiral Democracies"... which is the term I used...

You fucking stupid ass liar, you lie even when you quote the very text that makes your lie plain. You did not say advanced, you simply said 'industrial democracy', which is just a weasel term anyway. What about a nation like Russia that can produce advanced stealth fighters makes it NOT an advanced industrial democaracy?

You libtards like to use loaded phrases to 'prove' your case when all you really prove is what a bunch of fucking liars you are.

Russia is hardly an 'advanced' country and certainly isn't a democracy...

Fact is, comparing Russia - a country that just emerged from 70 years of Communist dictatorship and is giving Putin more power, not less - to Advanced Industrial Democracies like Germany, Japan, the UK, Australia, is not a valid argument. Those countries have been in states of chaos since the USSR fell.

Point is, you can still ban guns and still have freedom and democracy, as these other countries have shown.

 

[JoeB131]

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The electronic background check does most of that, and wouldnt have made any difference anyway as these turds usually steal the guns anyway.

but here's the thing.

Cho didn't have to steal guns. He just bought them.

Loughner didnt have to steal guns... he just bought them.

Holmes didn't have to steal guns, he just bought them.

Lanza didn't steal guns, he used Mommy's gun that she gave him easy access to. (I'm reasonably sure that getting shot wasn't part of her brilliant parenting plan.)

Let's address one problem at a time. Let's make it hard for crazy people to buy guns... if we still have shootings because they steal them, then we can address that.

 

[JimBowie1958]

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The electronic background check does most of that, and wouldnt have made any difference anyway as these turds usually steal the guns anyway.

but here's the thing.

Cho didn't have to steal guns. He just bought them.

Loughner didnt have to steal guns... he just bought them.

Holmes didn't have to steal guns, he just bought them.

Lanza didn't steal guns, he used Mommy's gun that she gave him easy access to. (I'm reasonably sure that getting shot wasn't part of her brilliant parenting plan.)

Let's address one problem at a time. Let's make it hard for crazy people to buy guns... if we still have shootings because they steal them, then we can address that.

But since what you propose is known to NOT WORK, the only thing you are trying to accomplish is to disarm the public. You could not give a damn about anyones kids.

 

[JimBowie1958]

No one considers any of these Former Soviet Republics to be "Advanced Industiral Democracies"... which is the term I used...

You fucking stupid ass liar, you lie even when you quote the very text that makes your lie plain. You did not say advanced, you simply said 'industrial democracy', which is just a weasel term anyway. What about a nation like Russia that can produce advanced stealth fighters makes it NOT an advanced industrial democaracy?

You libtards like to use loaded phrases to 'prove' your case when all you really prove is what a bunch of fucking liars you are.

Russia is hardly an 'advanced' country and certainly isn't a democracy...

Again, dumbfuck, Russia can produce advanced technology, so it by definition is an advanced industrial nation. And it is more of a democracy than we are. The US is a Republic that uses a democratic process to select most of its top officers, and there is a huge difference.

Fact is, comparing Russia - a country that just emerged from 70 years of Communist dictatorship and is giving Putin more power, not less - to Advanced Industrial Democracies like Germany, Japan, the UK, Australia, is not a valid argument. Those countries have been in states of chaos since the USSR fell.

And libtards like you contriving artifical groupings of nations that essentially draw a line between those nations with low murder rates from those with higer murder rates, which is nothing more than a tautological circular argument, in efect.

Point is, you can still ban guns and still have freedom and democracy, as these other countries have shown.

You can, for a while. But only as freedom evaporates before your eyes as it has been doing here for the last twelve years.

 

[Unkotare]

Not a liberal, guy. Voted Republican in 7 of the last 8 presidential election. ....

Don't bother with the JakeFakey-level lies. It only makes you look even worse.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

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The electronic background check does most of that, and wouldnt have made any difference anyway as these turds usually steal the guns anyway.

but here's the thing.

Cho didn't have to steal guns. He just bought them.

Loughner didnt have to steal guns... he just bought them.

Holmes didn't have to steal guns, he just bought them.

Lanza didn't steal guns, he used Mommy's gun that she gave him easy access to. (I'm reasonably sure that getting shot wasn't part of her brilliant parenting plan.)

Let's address one problem at a time. Let's make it hard for crazy people to buy guns... if we still have shootings because they steal them, then we can address that.

Lanza didn't steal guns, he used Mommy's gun that she gave him easy access to.

Stop you son of a bitch Lanza Murdered his mother and took guns that did not belong to him that's stealing. plus the fact he was a murder when he took them.

 

[JimBowie1958]

Not a liberal, guy. Voted Republican in 7 of the last 8 presidential election. ....

Don't bother with the JakeFakey-level lies. It only makes you look even worse.

Worse?

Is that even possible?

 

[JoeB131]

But since what you propose is known to NOT WORK, the only thing you are trying to accomplish is to disarm the public. You could not give a damn about anyones kids.

Except that it HAS worked in Australia, Canada, the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Japan...

The public doesn't need to be armed.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

But since what you propose is known to NOT WORK, the only thing you are trying to accomplish is to disarm the public. You could not give a damn about anyones kids.

Except that it HAS worked in Australia, Canada, the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Japan...

The public doesn't need to be armed.

Yes the public does need to be armed. Tools like you are the reason we need to be armed.

 

[JimBowie1958]

But since what you propose is known to NOT WORK, the only thing you are trying to accomplish is to disarm the public. You could not give a damn about anyones kids.

Except that it HAS worked in Australia, Canada, the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Japan...

The public doesn't need to be armed.

Crime was never a large problem in those countries, so the gun bans solved NOTHING and did not improve anything. In fact crime is on the increase now in the UK, Australia, France, Italy and Germany.

And the fact that gun grabbing whores like you are still trying to take our guns means that the public should never give up its guns.

 

[JimBowie1958]

But since what you propose is known to NOT WORK, the only thing you are trying to accomplish is to disarm the public. You could not give a damn about anyones kids.

Except that it HAS worked in Australia, Canada, the UK, Germany, France, Italy, Japan...

The public doesn't need to be armed.

Yes the public does need to be armed. Tools like you are the reason we need to be armed.

Exactly.