Another screw up by Trump and the GOP!

[Dragonlady]

Another screw up by Trump??? Hey TEX Is Portland in America??
Napolitano: DHS can protect federal assets in cities, but can't enforce local criminal law

“The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own consciences.”— C.S. Lewis (1898-1963)


Serious issues are implicating personal liberty and public safety in Portland, Ore. The police are not enforcing local and state laws. They are refraining from doing so because they have been so instructed by elected public officials.

The Supreme Court has ruled that state and local elected officials — not police — are empowered to determine the depth and breadth of law enforcement. And the court has also ruled that the police have no legal obligation to protect lives and property.

Stated differently, the police cannot be sued for their willful failures. The remedy for those failures — according to the court — is to elect different officials who will deploy police assets differently. Yet, the police have a moral obligation to protect lives and property. For what other purpose have we hired and empowered them?

OREGON LAWMAKER SAYS PORTLAND PROTESTS ARE ‘NOT OUT OF CONTROL’

All persons have a natural right to protect their lives and property, especially when the government fails to do so. If its failures are systemic and repeated, it is the duty of the people to alter or abolish the government. We know this from the Declaration of Independence.

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Portland has been the center of anti-police demonstrations this summer. The neighborhood around the state Capitol has endured nearly two months of nighttime demonstrations. Most of these are peaceful; some are destructive.

Last weekend, with no notice or local consent, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security sent teams of agents — untrained in crowd control and wearing military fatigues — onto Portland’s streets. Their uniforms bore no governmental, administrative or personal names, just the word “Police” on masking tape. They descended upon the city in unmarked SUVs and began grabbing people indiscriminately off the streets, without regard to the person’s lawful presence or personal behavior.


'THEY HAVE TO BE RESTRAINED': JUDGE NAPOLITANO ON WHAT FEDERAL AGENTS IN PORTLAND CAN AND CANNOT DO

According to the account of one victim, he was walking peacefully in the downtown area, observing the chaos, when five masked men in fatigues exited an unmarked SUV, grabbed him and pulled him into the car. They tied his hands with plastic behind his back. They pulled his cap over his face. They kept him for two hours and then released him. They filed no charges against him.

They had no basis for this kidnapping.

It was a kidnapping, not an arrest. An arrest is a lawful restraint by a legitimate government authority pursuant to a warrant issued by a judge specifically naming the person to be arrested, or pursuant to probable cause of crime personally observed by the arresting officers. Neither of these was the case in Portland.

And some victims were even less fortunate than those kidnapped. They were assaulted with pepper spray and hit with nonlethal exploding bullets that stun, hurt and disorient. The bullets can harm the eyes, heart and liver. I saw a video of a young man riding a bicycle away from the chaos. Yet, he was attacked by five of these feds.

An Annapolis graduate and Navy veteran asked a small group of the feds by what constitutional authority they were present in Portland. They responded by pepper-spraying his face and beating his hand with a baton, shattering numerous bones in his hand.

Portland is in America, right? What’s going on here?

now even Joe Biden is not this stupid

Biden stupid?? Smart as a fox Using Obama's advisers Trump listens to nobody He's smarter that the doctors ,scientists generals ,experts on foreign relations ,,Did you know that since middle of march Trump has had 7 phone calls with his pal Putin ?? Bet it wan't about bounties Bet IT WAS about coming election and how Putin could help AGAIN

That's right. We're coming to get you with Putin. Better shove some blankets under your bed so you know he's not hiding there.

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Amazing to me that you republicans can't see the forest for the trees Your POS TRUMP is looking to F up our election again and you sit there and applaud Shame on you

You mean like he did the last time that a 35 million dollar investigation shows didn't happen?

It's almost like watching a zombie movie with you on the left. The media tells you something, and in spite of hard evidence they are lying, you still believe it anyway. I suggest you read up on the subject Power of Suggestion to see why you think the way you do.

What lies ? That Russia aided Trump in election 2016?? Are you for real ? You don't believe that ?? And he got away with it then and he's trying again .7 calls with Putin since March Think ! Use the brain god gave you

Russia and others have been trying to mess with our elections for many years before Trump. But there is NO EVIDENCE that Trump had anything to do with it. In fact, it all happened under Hussein's watch. Trump was nothing more than your ordinary citizen if and when it took place.

Yes, Trump talks to Putin, just like Trump talks to many world leaders. That's one of the jobs a US President does.

LOL 7 times in a short period? Think they talked about bounties? Putin is a murdering scum that just gave himself a lifetime of power Trump envies him

Yeah? Well at least Trump didn't send him a billion dollars of cash on pallets.

You know that?? How?? and Obama sent their OWN MONEY back

Whether it was their money or ours, he was still pandering to the enemy; the country that sent their people into Iraq to kill thousands of American solders.

Remember the lies that sent our troops there?? One more lying pos republican to blame

Shifting the conversation noted.

The smell of republican wrongdoing and corruption permeates America You bring up Obama I bring up the repub scum bush Tit for tat

No, you brought up how Trump talks to Putin so much insinuating that he is colluding with our enemy. I brought up the money Hussein gave to Iran. See, that's being on the same subject. Then you tried to get out off that and turn it into an Iraq war discussion. See, shifting the conversation.

So in your warped republican mind Obama was colluding with Iran?? And you deny Trump and Putin are pals ??

He gave them billions to expand their terrorist network, what would you call it?

I call it "Returning the money which the American government illegal seized from the government of Iran, when Iranians attacked the US Embassy in Tehran". The American Courts ORDERED Obama to return this money to Iran. So what you're saying is that Obama should not have obeyed a Court Order.

No wonder you support Trump's lawlessness. You think that Court Orders should not be obeyed.

Inside the 37-Year Standoff Over Iran’s Frozen U.S. Dollars

Iran sought the money from every administration since Carter’s; will Obama’s deal encourage more claims?

www.wsj.com

 

[eddiew]

Person women man camera TV Amazing I CAN be PRESIDUNCE

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

When a large corporation moves to town, they need to pay for their own infrastructure. If you build a house on unserviced land, YOU have to pay impost charges to the municipality. You can't make a claim that you're "increasing the tax base" and therefore shouldn't be required to pay to hook up to city services, or have sidewalks, curbing or roadways in your neighbourhood.

New York offered Amazon $9 billion in tax breaks, even though they would need additional roadways, subway lines sewage and water disposal, electical power, and amenities to build a campus for 50,000 workers. Jeff Bezos is now the world's first Trillionaire. He can afford the $9 billion. The working people of New York, cannot.

Cities and states benefit equally or even more so than the companies themselves. That's why they offer incentives. So what did NYC get when they lost Amazon?

I'm sure most businesses would love a place in California, Texas or even South Carolina because of the great weather. So how would we up north compete for those businesses if not offering tax breaks and other perks?

 

[OKTexas]

He was supposed to send those patients to the facilities Trump created for them, including the ship that our military retrofitted just for them, plus the Javits Center that Trump also retrofitted. The Javits center was never used, and only about five patients ever went on the ship for treatment.

What part of "elderly patients need specialized care which is not available outside of a nursing home setting" do you not understand? Neither the Javitz Centre nor the hospital ship was equipped or staffed with geriatric physicians or nurses. And these patients were well enough to be DISCHARGED from hospital, so you send them back where they came from.

Had the nursing homes been properly run, this would not have been a problem.

The nursing homes were complaining that they didn't have the resources to take care of these Covid patents while at the same time, protecting their other patients. They were begging Cuomo not to do that because of the results we've seen.

Yes, that ship and that center were for the overflow of patients from the hospitals. Don't tell me the US military couldn't handle the job.

What you said is of course exactly what happened. Mrs. Mao just doesn't want to hear it. She's going to spin anything for Democrats no matter how completely lame it is. She's not a Democrat, you know. She told me that ...

For Free kaz lol I laugh at you and your ilk here
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Another rich leftist on the internet. Sure you are. If I had a dime ...

So since you're loaded and you think government is such a great thing, how much do you donate to government every year beyond your taxes? You don't take deductions and write off, correct?

What ever I can legally Trump the crook won't let anyone see how he's ripping off America

You should have a breathalyzer on your computer

What if Trump gave a war and nobody came ?,,What if protesters staid far far away from fed buildings depriving the storm troopers of their reason to attack protesters? What would the trump AH do then ??

Smile.

.

 

[eddiew]

He was supposed to send those patients to the facilities Trump created for them, including the ship that our military retrofitted just for them, plus the Javits Center that Trump also retrofitted. The Javits center was never used, and only about five patients ever went on the ship for treatment.

What part of "elderly patients need specialized care which is not available outside of a nursing home setting" do you not understand? Neither the Javitz Centre nor the hospital ship was equipped or staffed with geriatric physicians or nurses. And these patients were well enough to be DISCHARGED from hospital, so you send them back where they came from.

Had the nursing homes been properly run, this would not have been a problem.

The nursing homes were complaining that they didn't have the resources to take care of these Covid patents while at the same time, protecting their other patients. They were begging Cuomo not to do that because of the results we've seen.

Yes, that ship and that center were for the overflow of patients from the hospitals. Don't tell me the US military couldn't handle the job.

What you said is of course exactly what happened. Mrs. Mao just doesn't want to hear it. She's going to spin anything for Democrats no matter how completely lame it is. She's not a Democrat, you know. She told me that ...

For Free kaz lol I laugh at you and your ilk here
-$54,443.50 (-0.53%)
Day Change
+$2,454,808.76 (31.44%)
YTD Change

Another rich leftist on the internet. Sure you are. If I had a dime ...

So since you're loaded and you think government is such a great thing, how much do you donate to government every year beyond your taxes? You don't take deductions and write off, correct?

What ever I can legally Trump the crook won't let anyone see how he's ripping off America

You should have a breathalyzer on your computer

What if Trump gave a war and nobody came ?,,What if protesters staid far far away from fed buildings depriving the storm troopers of their reason to attack protesters? What would the trump AH do then ??

Smile.

.

At least you have a sense of humor

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Leftists crack me up. You run around in a constant hysterical fit, then you lecture people as if you're somehow balanced.

The damage done by the lockdown far outweighs the benefit. But you not only know that, it's your goal

My goal is to send Rump packing and allow the Republican Party to rebuild into what it once was when it was known as Grand Old Party instead of the Party of the Rump.

Yes, you liked the good old days when you freely called Republicans racists, misogynists, lovers of the rich and corporations and haters of the poor and they rolled over, didn't you? This Republicans fighting back to your vitriolic hate? You don't need that

Now there's no constitutional right to protest ? Republicans now act like fascists? Send in homeland security??

Well now.......I guess you learn something new every day. A new definition of fascism: support federal agents who protect federal property and haul lowlifes away who destroy or attempt to destroy it.

Hey Ray did the State call the Feds in?? NO !! Trump is pulling his shit again Giving law and order BS to his nitwit supporters. Protect fed property from chalk marks ? Fear mongering from Trump and you buy it

Yeah, chalk marks, that's the ticket. They only wanted to play tic-tac-toe on the federal building.

Fires set inside Portland federal courthouse fence; 18 arrested on federal charges - KTVZ

Another night of fiery confrontation was reported late Thursday and early Friday in downtown Portland, with fires set both inside and outside the fence surrounding the Mark Hatfield Federal Courthouse, police said.

ktvz.com

And the state couldn't take care of it ?? There was NO NEED for feds there Trump is losing badly and he's trying anything

It's not that the state can't take care of it, it's that they won't. Look at that building. Does it look like the state is doing anything about it?

And you refuse to acknowledge what the cause that made the Citizens feel the need to protest at the Federal Building. It doesn't make the rioting any less wrong but the real Protesters were gassed and beaten. I am not protecting the Rioters and Looters who are largely imported, I am saying that the attack on the Protesters themselves are just plain wrong. And the reason for the Protest, you are trying to cover up. It's the fact that Unnamed, unmarked Federalist are detaining American Citizens that are legally expressing the 1st Amendment. It's pretty damned simple to understand. It amounts to an invading force kidnapping and illegally retaining American Citizens on American soil.

Wrong. You don't have to protest at that federal courthouse. They have the rest of the city to protest in. Furthermore if they still insist on protesting there, they need to keep the distance set out by authorities. Nobody's freedom of speech is being violated. If you hate Trump, your freedom of speech does not mean you can walk right up to him and scream in his face how much you hate him. You can do that within the distance the SS sets forth for safety concerns.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Leftists crack me up. You run around in a constant hysterical fit, then you lecture people as if you're somehow balanced.

The damage done by the lockdown far outweighs the benefit. But you not only know that, it's your goal

My goal is to send Rump packing and allow the Republican Party to rebuild into what it once was when it was known as Grand Old Party instead of the Party of the Rump.

Yes, you liked the good old days when you freely called Republicans racists, misogynists, lovers of the rich and corporations and haters of the poor and they rolled over, didn't you? This Republicans fighting back to your vitriolic hate? You don't need that

Now there's no constitutional right to protest ? Republicans now act like fascists? Send in homeland security??

Well now.......I guess you learn something new every day. A new definition of fascism: support federal agents who protect federal property and haul lowlifes away who destroy or attempt to destroy it.

Hey Ray did the State call the Feds in?? NO !! Trump is pulling his shit again Giving law and order BS to his nitwit supporters. Protect fed property from chalk marks ? Fear mongering from Trump and you buy it

Yeah, chalk marks, that's the ticket. They only wanted to play tic-tac-toe on the federal building.

Fires set inside Portland federal courthouse fence; 18 arrested on federal charges - KTVZ

Another night of fiery confrontation was reported late Thursday and early Friday in downtown Portland, with fires set both inside and outside the fence surrounding the Mark Hatfield Federal Courthouse, police said.

ktvz.com

And the state couldn't take care of it ?? There was NO NEED for feds there Trump is losing badly and he's trying anything

It's not that the state can't take care of it, it's that they won't. Look at that building. Does it look like the state is doing anything about it?

And you refuse to acknowledge what the cause that made the Citizens feel the need to protest at the Federal Building. It doesn't make the rioting any less wrong but the real Protesters were gassed and beaten. I am not protecting the Rioters and Looters who are largely imported, I am saying that the attack on the Protesters themselves are just plain wrong. And the reason for the Protest, you are trying to cover up. It's the fact that Unnamed, unmarked Federalist are detaining American Citizens that are legally expressing the 1st Amendment. It's pretty damned simple to understand. It amounts to an invading force kidnapping and illegally retaining American Citizens on American soil.

Wrong. You don't have to protest at that federal courthouse. They have the rest of the city to protest in. Furthermore if they still insist on protesting there, they need to keep the distance set out by authorities. Nobody's freedom of speech is being violated. If you hate Trump, your freedom of speech does not mean you can walk right up to him and scream in his face how much you hate him. You can do that within the distance the SS sets forth for safety concerns.

The Mayor has the right to peaceably protest anywhere he chooses. It's a bit tough to call it an Illegal Assembly when the Mayor is part of it. Again, the Mayor was not rioting. The People around him were not rioting but they were gassed exercising their legal right of Protest. And the Rioters were probably not from Portland at all since most Rioters and Looters are Imports, not locals. Instead of Gassing American Citizens exercising their 1s Amendment Rights, that Federal Force should have been busting the Criminals. Instead, they gassed the Mayor.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Leftists crack me up. You run around in a constant hysterical fit, then you lecture people as if you're somehow balanced.

The damage done by the lockdown far outweighs the benefit. But you not only know that, it's your goal

Ask people in Fla or Texas about that

Not following the news much, are you? We've been the ones pushing to open. I live in Florida, BTW

Yeah you want schools open but afraid to have RNC there?? Trump punks out

As I said, you're really not following the news, are you? Trump pulled out, Florida didn't.

And you really are a dick. If Trump had it you'd attack him now you're attacking him for not having it

He's not attacking Trump. He's attacking the notion that schools in Florida are in position to open in a couple of weeks. If it's not safe to hold the Republican convention in Florida, how is it safe to force teachers, administrators, bus drivers, and children back to school?

You're really not very bright, are you.

Children are at very low risk for catching the virus, and in Europe where they did send their kids back to school, no known cases of a teacher catching the virus from a student.

I talked to a Bus DRiver who is going back to work. No matter if the child is sick or not, if they are the bus stop, they get picked up. And yes, the drivers have voiced their fears and were told to either shut up or not show up for work.No temp checks, nothing. Let's face it, the Schools are a giant pietri dish. If one student goes to class with Covid, you just infected almost every student. And it's going to be passed off in the Hallways and on the buses. And it's going to be taken home. Hey, let's kill all the older drivers and the Grand Parents.

Very few kids catch this virus for one. The kids that do don't have a great track record of passing it to others. The theory is that the receptors that this virus clings onto are not developed enough in most children. Therefore it affects very few of them.

Some studies have suggested that older children don't have the same pattern. If that's true, why not open up facilities to grammar school grades as the teens can take care of themselves at home without parental supervision and still learn over the internet?

I'll tell you what. Do you want to see a big change in attitude of the Democrat party and their buddies in the teachers unions? Tell them that they are going to go all online, but since we don't need one teacher for every 25 students, and one teacher can teach 500 students on the net, we can layoff those remaining teachers we don't need!

You'll see how fast the Democrats promote opening schools back up again. What they really want is a gift to their supporters in the union to sit on their ass at home and teach kids online instead of going into work.

You seem to know facts that the Scientist don't know. They think this, they think that but no one really knows. Until yesterday, Mesa Country had zero deaths for Covid 19. WE now have one. It's a state mandate that if you go into a business now, you must be wearing a mask. And we still have a few Party of the Rumpers that refuse to wear a mask in a business and dare ANYONE to not give them service. Right now, it's not mandantory but you give it time and enough deaths it will become mandantory. While, overall, we have played according to the rules, some didn't and we lost a life. While Colorado is not being called a disaster area, one life lost is too many. And the Schools still want to open up. It's trading lives for commerce.

Sorry, but scientists do know as it's been studied intensely in Europe. Is it written in stone? No it hasn't because as you said, this is all new to all of us.

However even in the USA there have been few cases of kids catching this virus yet alone deaths or spread. Yes, they do happen, but not nearly to the extent that deaths take place to the elderly, the immunity compromised, or both.

If we have over 30 million children in school, and 1,000 get Covid, is that a good enough reason to stop the other 30 million from attending school?

I can dream up numbers as well as you can but I choose not to. The fact remains that they are still not quite sure all the ways that Covid 19 is transmitted. Has the People n Charge finally started calling an airborne delivery system yet? How about the time it can stay active when in the Oxygen rich Air by contact? How exactly is it transmitted from one to another? They don't know so they used the shotgun approach. For every argument you can come up, I can come up with one against it and vice versa.

As for children getting the disease, Children can get an offshoot that isn't as deadly but


How likely are kids to get Covid-19? Scientists see a ‘huge puzzle’ without easy answers Let's have the Mayo Clinic weigh in.
COVID-19 (coronavirus) in babies and children
Since the Mayo Clinic as access to China's studies, it's a safe bet that they have a good idea on what is going on. But they really don't. Covid 19's best way to keep from being spread is still the Shotgun approach. And if you read the link you will find Children to get it and can transmit it to adults.

Now a note from CDC very recently put out.
Limit time with people at highest risk of severe illness from COVID-19

The Countries that have opened the schools back up are where Covid 19 has been isolated. Or at least, they have isolated the Covid 19 recipients. And it hasn't infected others that way. They originally completely shut down their entire country, did a high degree of testing and isolated those that test positive for Covid 19. Other countries that have not completely isolated the Infected People (including children) won't be so lucky when the open up their schools. Or maybe they will. The only way to test that theory is to open up the schools and allow our Children to be part of the experiment.

If you read the Links (and those two are NOT Political in any way) you should come to the same conclusion I have. We just don't know. If you come up with a definitive Yes or No then there is something else clouding that decision.

Okay, so let's move forward. We don't know. We also don't know if or when a successful vaccine will be available. So what if it takes five years? Do we keep children home for five years? What about ten? What happens if like the flu, it's just something we have to deal with year after year? Do we close down schools from coast to coast? Then what?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Leftists crack me up. You run around in a constant hysterical fit, then you lecture people as if you're somehow balanced.

The damage done by the lockdown far outweighs the benefit. But you not only know that, it's your goal

My goal is to send Rump packing and allow the Republican Party to rebuild into what it once was when it was known as Grand Old Party instead of the Party of the Rump.

Yes, you liked the good old days when you freely called Republicans racists, misogynists, lovers of the rich and corporations and haters of the poor and they rolled over, didn't you? This Republicans fighting back to your vitriolic hate? You don't need that

Now there's no constitutional right to protest ? Republicans now act like fascists? Send in homeland security??

Well now.......I guess you learn something new every day. A new definition of fascism: support federal agents who protect federal property and haul lowlifes away who destroy or attempt to destroy it.

Hey Ray did the State call the Feds in?? NO !! Trump is pulling his shit again Giving law and order BS to his nitwit supporters. Protect fed property from chalk marks ? Fear mongering from Trump and you buy it

Yeah, chalk marks, that's the ticket. They only wanted to play tic-tac-toe on the federal building.

Fires set inside Portland federal courthouse fence; 18 arrested on federal charges - KTVZ

Another night of fiery confrontation was reported late Thursday and early Friday in downtown Portland, with fires set both inside and outside the fence surrounding the Mark Hatfield Federal Courthouse, police said.

ktvz.com

And the state couldn't take care of it ?? There was NO NEED for feds there Trump is losing badly and he's trying anything

It's not that the state can't take care of it, it's that they won't. Look at that building. Does it look like the state is doing anything about it?

And you refuse to acknowledge what the cause that made the Citizens feel the need to protest at the Federal Building. It doesn't make the rioting any less wrong but the real Protesters were gassed and beaten. I am not protecting the Rioters and Looters who are largely imported, I am saying that the attack on the Protesters themselves are just plain wrong. And the reason for the Protest, you are trying to cover up. It's the fact that Unnamed, unmarked Federalist are detaining American Citizens that are legally expressing the 1st Amendment. It's pretty damned simple to understand. It amounts to an invading force kidnapping and illegally retaining American Citizens on American soil.

Wrong. You don't have to protest at that federal courthouse. They have the rest of the city to protest in. Furthermore if they still insist on protesting there, they need to keep the distance set out by authorities. Nobody's freedom of speech is being violated. If you hate Trump, your freedom of speech does not mean you can walk right up to him and scream in his face how much you hate him. You can do that within the distance the SS sets forth for safety concerns.

The Mayor has the right to peaceably protest anywhere he chooses. It's a bit tough to call it an Illegal Assembly when the Mayor is part of it. Again, the Mayor was not rioting. The People around him were not rioting but they were gassed exercising their legal right of Protest. And the Rioters were probably not from Portland at all since most Rioters and Looters are Imports, not locals. Instead of Gassing American Citizens exercising their 1s Amendment Rights, that Federal Force should have been busting the Criminals. Instead, they gassed the Mayor.

It was a photo op and he planned it that way. Again, the authorities have the legal right to set distances from the court house. It doesn't matter if they were rioting or getting ready to. Don't cross this line, or else. You can protest 50 feet, 100 feet, or 200 feet from the building. Nobody's rights were being violated.

I don't know what is with you people and your resistance to authority.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Leftists crack me up. You run around in a constant hysterical fit, then you lecture people as if you're somehow balanced.

The damage done by the lockdown far outweighs the benefit. But you not only know that, it's your goal

Ask people in Fla or Texas about that

Not following the news much, are you? We've been the ones pushing to open. I live in Florida, BTW

Yeah you want schools open but afraid to have RNC there?? Trump punks out

As I said, you're really not following the news, are you? Trump pulled out, Florida didn't.

And you really are a dick. If Trump had it you'd attack him now you're attacking him for not having it

He's not attacking Trump. He's attacking the notion that schools in Florida are in position to open in a couple of weeks. If it's not safe to hold the Republican convention in Florida, how is it safe to force teachers, administrators, bus drivers, and children back to school?

You're really not very bright, are you.

Children are at very low risk for catching the virus, and in Europe where they did send their kids back to school, no known cases of a teacher catching the virus from a student.

I talked to a Bus DRiver who is going back to work. No matter if the child is sick or not, if they are the bus stop, they get picked up. And yes, the drivers have voiced their fears and were told to either shut up or not show up for work.No temp checks, nothing. Let's face it, the Schools are a giant pietri dish. If one student goes to class with Covid, you just infected almost every student. And it's going to be passed off in the Hallways and on the buses. And it's going to be taken home. Hey, let's kill all the older drivers and the Grand Parents.

Very few kids catch this virus for one. The kids that do don't have a great track record of passing it to others. The theory is that the receptors that this virus clings onto are not developed enough in most children. Therefore it affects very few of them.

Some studies have suggested that older children don't have the same pattern. If that's true, why not open up facilities to grammar school grades as the teens can take care of themselves at home without parental supervision and still learn over the internet?

I'll tell you what. Do you want to see a big change in attitude of the Democrat party and their buddies in the teachers unions? Tell them that they are going to go all online, but since we don't need one teacher for every 25 students, and one teacher can teach 500 students on the net, we can layoff those remaining teachers we don't need!

You'll see how fast the Democrats promote opening schools back up again. What they really want is a gift to their supporters in the union to sit on their ass at home and teach kids online instead of going into work.

You seem to know facts that the Scientist don't know. They think this, they think that but no one really knows. Until yesterday, Mesa Country had zero deaths for Covid 19. WE now have one. It's a state mandate that if you go into a business now, you must be wearing a mask. And we still have a few Party of the Rumpers that refuse to wear a mask in a business and dare ANYONE to not give them service. Right now, it's not mandantory but you give it time and enough deaths it will become mandantory. While, overall, we have played according to the rules, some didn't and we lost a life. While Colorado is not being called a disaster area, one life lost is too many. And the Schools still want to open up. It's trading lives for commerce.

Sorry, but scientists do know as it's been studied intensely in Europe. Is it written in stone? No it hasn't because as you said, this is all new to all of us.

However even in the USA there have been few cases of kids catching this virus yet alone deaths or spread. Yes, they do happen, but not nearly to the extent that deaths take place to the elderly, the immunity compromised, or both.

If we have over 30 million children in school, and 1,000 get Covid, is that a good enough reason to stop the other 30 million from attending school?

I can dream up numbers as well as you can but I choose not to. The fact remains that they are still not quite sure all the ways that Covid 19 is transmitted. Has the People n Charge finally started calling an airborne delivery system yet? How about the time it can stay active when in the Oxygen rich Air by contact? How exactly is it transmitted from one to another? They don't know so they used the shotgun approach. For every argument you can come up, I can come up with one against it and vice versa.

As for children getting the disease, Children can get an offshoot that isn't as deadly but


How likely are kids to get Covid-19? Scientists see a ‘huge puzzle’ without easy answers Let's have the Mayo Clinic weigh in.
COVID-19 (coronavirus) in babies and children
Since the Mayo Clinic as access to China's studies, it's a safe bet that they have a good idea on what is going on. But they really don't. Covid 19's best way to keep from being spread is still the Shotgun approach. And if you read the link you will find Children to get it and can transmit it to adults.

Now a note from CDC very recently put out.
Limit time with people at highest risk of severe illness from COVID-19

The Countries that have opened the schools back up are where Covid 19 has been isolated. Or at least, they have isolated the Covid 19 recipients. And it hasn't infected others that way. They originally completely shut down their entire country, did a high degree of testing and isolated those that test positive for Covid 19. Other countries that have not completely isolated the Infected People (including children) won't be so lucky when the open up their schools. Or maybe they will. The only way to test that theory is to open up the schools and allow our Children to be part of the experiment.

If you read the Links (and those two are NOT Political in any way) you should come to the same conclusion I have. We just don't know. If you come up with a definitive Yes or No then there is something else clouding that decision.

Okay, so let's move forward. We don't know. We also don't know if or when a successful vaccine will be available. So what if it takes five years? Do we keep children home for five years? What about ten? What happens if like the flu, it's just something we have to deal with year after year? Do we close down schools from coast to coast? Then what?

Yes, those questions are valid. And I, personally, don't have the answers. But in today's world of Technology, there are options to those that are not able to home school their children. This isn't the first time that Humans had to adapt. Hell, outside of Cockroaches, the Human Race is the most adaptable species on Earth. Until we do, then we need to use those options.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Had the nursing homes been properly run, this would not have been a problem.

Cuomo sent infected patients to poorly run nursing homes?
Was he intentionally murdering old people, or negligently murdering them?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Leftists crack me up. You run around in a constant hysterical fit, then you lecture people as if you're somehow balanced.

The damage done by the lockdown far outweighs the benefit. But you not only know that, it's your goal

My goal is to send Rump packing and allow the Republican Party to rebuild into what it once was when it was known as Grand Old Party instead of the Party of the Rump.

Yes, you liked the good old days when you freely called Republicans racists, misogynists, lovers of the rich and corporations and haters of the poor and they rolled over, didn't you? This Republicans fighting back to your vitriolic hate? You don't need that

Now there's no constitutional right to protest ? Republicans now act like fascists? Send in homeland security??

Well now.......I guess you learn something new every day. A new definition of fascism: support federal agents who protect federal property and haul lowlifes away who destroy or attempt to destroy it.

Hey Ray did the State call the Feds in?? NO !! Trump is pulling his shit again Giving law and order BS to his nitwit supporters. Protect fed property from chalk marks ? Fear mongering from Trump and you buy it

Yeah, chalk marks, that's the ticket. They only wanted to play tic-tac-toe on the federal building.

Fires set inside Portland federal courthouse fence; 18 arrested on federal charges - KTVZ

Another night of fiery confrontation was reported late Thursday and early Friday in downtown Portland, with fires set both inside and outside the fence surrounding the Mark Hatfield Federal Courthouse, police said.

ktvz.com

And the state couldn't take care of it ?? There was NO NEED for feds there Trump is losing badly and he's trying anything

It's not that the state can't take care of it, it's that they won't. Look at that building. Does it look like the state is doing anything about it?

And you refuse to acknowledge what the cause that made the Citizens feel the need to protest at the Federal Building. It doesn't make the rioting any less wrong but the real Protesters were gassed and beaten. I am not protecting the Rioters and Looters who are largely imported, I am saying that the attack on the Protesters themselves are just plain wrong. And the reason for the Protest, you are trying to cover up. It's the fact that Unnamed, unmarked Federalist are detaining American Citizens that are legally expressing the 1st Amendment. It's pretty damned simple to understand. It amounts to an invading force kidnapping and illegally retaining American Citizens on American soil.

Wrong. You don't have to protest at that federal courthouse. They have the rest of the city to protest in. Furthermore if they still insist on protesting there, they need to keep the distance set out by authorities. Nobody's freedom of speech is being violated. If you hate Trump, your freedom of speech does not mean you can walk right up to him and scream in his face how much you hate him. You can do that within the distance the SS sets forth for safety concerns.

The Mayor has the right to peaceably protest anywhere he chooses. It's a bit tough to call it an Illegal Assembly when the Mayor is part of it. Again, the Mayor was not rioting. The People around him were not rioting but they were gassed exercising their legal right of Protest. And the Rioters were probably not from Portland at all since most Rioters and Looters are Imports, not locals. Instead of Gassing American Citizens exercising their 1s Amendment Rights, that Federal Force should have been busting the Criminals. Instead, they gassed the Mayor.

It was a photo op and he planned it that way. Again, the authorities have the legal right to set distances from the court house. It doesn't matter if they were rioting or getting ready to. Don't cross this line, or else. You can protest 50 feet, 100 feet, or 200 feet from the building. Nobody's rights were being violated.

I don't know what is with you people and your resistance to authority.

Yes, Authorities do have that "Right". But you step one inch off of that Federal Property and you just entered the Authority of the Mayor. The Sidewalk isn't Federal Property. The Mayor and the local citizens own that. In fact, the only reason the Federal Building is there is because some Mayor in the past authorized it.

If you care to learn I suggest you click on 41 CFR Appendix to Part 102-74 - Rules and Regulations Governing Conduct on Federal Property.

With that in mind, are you aware that the Constitution states (And I can't find it right now due to time restraints) that the Federals are allowed to have X number of acres for Federal Use? I am sure that, in Oregon, the Feds have exceeded that limit a thousand times or more. But be that what is may, you step one foot off that Federal Property (and the Mayor was NOT on Federal Property as the Sidewalk and the street is NOT Federal Property) and the Feds have ZERO rights not given to them by the State or City. That means, the illegal apprehension and detention of Citizens outside of the Federal Property and the Gassing of the Mayor and the peaceful Protesters can give the Mayor the right to remove the permission to even have that Federal Court house. It's now in the Court's hands. If they follow the Laws then all hell is going to be paid over the actions of the Rump Brown Shirts on the streets and the gassing of the Mayor.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Leftists crack me up. You run around in a constant hysterical fit, then you lecture people as if you're somehow balanced.

The damage done by the lockdown far outweighs the benefit. But you not only know that, it's your goal

Ask people in Fla or Texas about that

Not following the news much, are you? We've been the ones pushing to open. I live in Florida, BTW

Yeah you want schools open but afraid to have RNC there?? Trump punks out

As I said, you're really not following the news, are you? Trump pulled out, Florida didn't.

And you really are a dick. If Trump had it you'd attack him now you're attacking him for not having it

He's not attacking Trump. He's attacking the notion that schools in Florida are in position to open in a couple of weeks. If it's not safe to hold the Republican convention in Florida, how is it safe to force teachers, administrators, bus drivers, and children back to school?

You're really not very bright, are you.

Children are at very low risk for catching the virus, and in Europe where they did send their kids back to school, no known cases of a teacher catching the virus from a student.

I talked to a Bus DRiver who is going back to work. No matter if the child is sick or not, if they are the bus stop, they get picked up. And yes, the drivers have voiced their fears and were told to either shut up or not show up for work.No temp checks, nothing. Let's face it, the Schools are a giant pietri dish. If one student goes to class with Covid, you just infected almost every student. And it's going to be passed off in the Hallways and on the buses. And it's going to be taken home. Hey, let's kill all the older drivers and the Grand Parents.

Very few kids catch this virus for one. The kids that do don't have a great track record of passing it to others. The theory is that the receptors that this virus clings onto are not developed enough in most children. Therefore it affects very few of them.

Some studies have suggested that older children don't have the same pattern. If that's true, why not open up facilities to grammar school grades as the teens can take care of themselves at home without parental supervision and still learn over the internet?

I'll tell you what. Do you want to see a big change in attitude of the Democrat party and their buddies in the teachers unions? Tell them that they are going to go all online, but since we don't need one teacher for every 25 students, and one teacher can teach 500 students on the net, we can layoff those remaining teachers we don't need!

You'll see how fast the Democrats promote opening schools back up again. What they really want is a gift to their supporters in the union to sit on their ass at home and teach kids online instead of going into work.

You seem to know facts that the Scientist don't know. They think this, they think that but no one really knows. Until yesterday, Mesa Country had zero deaths for Covid 19. WE now have one. It's a state mandate that if you go into a business now, you must be wearing a mask. And we still have a few Party of the Rumpers that refuse to wear a mask in a business and dare ANYONE to not give them service. Right now, it's not mandantory but you give it time and enough deaths it will become mandantory. While, overall, we have played according to the rules, some didn't and we lost a life. While Colorado is not being called a disaster area, one life lost is too many. And the Schools still want to open up. It's trading lives for commerce.

Sorry, but scientists do know as it's been studied intensely in Europe. Is it written in stone? No it hasn't because as you said, this is all new to all of us.

However even in the USA there have been few cases of kids catching this virus yet alone deaths or spread. Yes, they do happen, but not nearly to the extent that deaths take place to the elderly, the immunity compromised, or both.

If we have over 30 million children in school, and 1,000 get Covid, is that a good enough reason to stop the other 30 million from attending school?

I can dream up numbers as well as you can but I choose not to. The fact remains that they are still not quite sure all the ways that Covid 19 is transmitted. Has the People n Charge finally started calling an airborne delivery system yet? How about the time it can stay active when in the Oxygen rich Air by contact? How exactly is it transmitted from one to another? They don't know so they used the shotgun approach. For every argument you can come up, I can come up with one against it and vice versa.

As for children getting the disease, Children can get an offshoot that isn't as deadly but


How likely are kids to get Covid-19? Scientists see a ‘huge puzzle’ without easy answers Let's have the Mayo Clinic weigh in.
COVID-19 (coronavirus) in babies and children
Since the Mayo Clinic as access to China's studies, it's a safe bet that they have a good idea on what is going on. But they really don't. Covid 19's best way to keep from being spread is still the Shotgun approach. And if you read the link you will find Children to get it and can transmit it to adults.

Now a note from CDC very recently put out.
Limit time with people at highest risk of severe illness from COVID-19

The Countries that have opened the schools back up are where Covid 19 has been isolated. Or at least, they have isolated the Covid 19 recipients. And it hasn't infected others that way. They originally completely shut down their entire country, did a high degree of testing and isolated those that test positive for Covid 19. Other countries that have not completely isolated the Infected People (including children) won't be so lucky when the open up their schools. Or maybe they will. The only way to test that theory is to open up the schools and allow our Children to be part of the experiment.

If you read the Links (and those two are NOT Political in any way) you should come to the same conclusion I have. We just don't know. If you come up with a definitive Yes or No then there is something else clouding that decision.

Okay, so let's move forward. We don't know. We also don't know if or when a successful vaccine will be available. So what if it takes five years? Do we keep children home for five years? What about ten? What happens if like the flu, it's just something we have to deal with year after year? Do we close down schools from coast to coast? Then what?

Yes, those questions are valid. And I, personally, don't have the answers. But in today's world of Technology, there are options to those that are not able to home school their children. This isn't the first time that Humans had to adapt. Hell, outside of Cockroaches, the Human Race is the most adaptable species on Earth. Until we do, then we need to use those options.

Sure, if we had enough time to plan for it. But this thing came like a thief in the night.

A couple gets married, has children, and makes plans. She will stay home for a couple of years, send the kid to daycare, and she can return back to work to bring in their badly needed income. Now those plans get shot to hell. Now what?

A very close friend and former coworker of mine had all three of his kids homeschooled. They planned for it. He works two full-time jobs, and she stayed home with the kids. My tenants the same way. He works a full-time job, and she homeschools their two children. It works fine if you can make the numbers work for you.

If there is no such thing as physical school, then a young couple today can make their plans accordingly. They could not have children for a couple of years to save money for her (or him) to be home, they can buy a much cheaper house, they can make cuts in their budget for those children.

 

[Dragonlady]

Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.

A gap in federal unemployment benefits is now unavoidable. Here’s why.

State offices will need weeks to reprogram their systems to account for an extension of the $600 weekly federal payments that expire on Saturday.

www.politico.com

Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

In fact, it is the Democrats who are responsible for this. Part of the debate for the first aid package was whether the state government or the federal government should handle this. President Trump argued that many of the state computer systems were old and not up to the task, but Democrats wanted to try to prevent the President from receiving any credit for the checks, so now that these older computer sstems are not up to the task, as you have pointed out, this is another screw up for the Democrats, not by the President who had warned this might happen.

BULLSHIT!

Trump delayed the checks so he could have HIS NAME printed on the checks, even though Congress and the Senate approved the payments, not him.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

An extra few hundred dollars should not be enough when added to the meager unemployment benefits most states pay to total more than the employee makes while working.

$31,200 plus unemployment shouldn't be more than anyone makes working? Why?

 

[JimZiegelbauer]

Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.

A gap in federal unemployment benefits is now unavoidable. Here’s why.

State offices will need weeks to reprogram their systems to account for an extension of the $600 weekly federal payments that expire on Saturday.

www.politico.com

Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Ok Skippy, the first line of your link says: "Tens of millions of laid-off American workers will go weeks without federal jobless aid — because Congress hasn’t renewed the benefits." There also appears to be a number of references as to how the state(s) have failed to keep up due to antiquated systems. But what the hell, it must be Trump's fault...dumbass.

Of coure it's tRump's fault. The buck stops at the oval office. There were weeks and weeks of wasted time where tRump and his little butt-buddy Moscow Mitch sat on their hands and did nothing

Remember, with the big job comes the big responsibility.

Get back to me after you learn how the U.S. government works.

I already know. It appears you're having difficulties though.

Alrighty then, quick quiz, who controls the purse strings?

Who's in charge, friend? Who's "administration" is this?

As far as purse strings the house had a bill on Moscow Mitch's desk a month ago.

So your answer is Trump because he's in charge?

Did you not read my post?

I did read your post. One line suggests it Trump then you go with Moscow Mitch. You appear to be your normal confused as hell self.

Your reading comprehension skills are whack. His post was clear and concise. Trump did nothing for months - again, and Mitch McConnell let the Heros' Act languish on his desk for 9 weeks and then started over like it didn't exist.

Once Moscow Mitch, who is foolishly negotiating with the White House, but not the Democrats, actually makes a deal with the White House, he's going to have to take it to the floor of the Senate. There, Senate Republicans will vote down any Democratic amendments. Once the Senate passes the bill, McConnell is going to have to then go hat in hand to Nancy Pelosi and ask the House to pass whatever he and the White House cooks up.

Good luck with that.

Well the bitch of the house said no to a short term extension, so screw her.

.

Mitch had months to work this out, fuck him. Every republican currently in office should be removed for gross incompetence.

Mitch had months to work what out it dose not even list the issue and your English is like a Democrat a Fricking pig

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The economy has ALREADY BEEN DESTROYED. Trump has utterly destroyed small and medium sized businesses and employment.

Exactly!

When Governor Pritzker and Mayor Lightfoot shutdown the economy in Chicago that was Trump's.......

Wait. What?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

$1000 per week isn't $60,000 per year, it's $50,000. Subtract 15% withholding,

Yeah, makes it hard to save, buy a house, send your kids to college, when the government takes 15%, before income taxes, of every paycheck for 40+ years.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Leftists crack me up. You run around in a constant hysterical fit, then you lecture people as if you're somehow balanced.

The damage done by the lockdown far outweighs the benefit. But you not only know that, it's your goal

My goal is to send Rump packing and allow the Republican Party to rebuild into what it once was when it was known as Grand Old Party instead of the Party of the Rump.

Yes, you liked the good old days when you freely called Republicans racists, misogynists, lovers of the rich and corporations and haters of the poor and they rolled over, didn't you? This Republicans fighting back to your vitriolic hate? You don't need that

Now there's no constitutional right to protest ? Republicans now act like fascists? Send in homeland security??

Well now.......I guess you learn something new every day. A new definition of fascism: support federal agents who protect federal property and haul lowlifes away who destroy or attempt to destroy it.

Hey Ray did the State call the Feds in?? NO !! Trump is pulling his shit again Giving law and order BS to his nitwit supporters. Protect fed property from chalk marks ? Fear mongering from Trump and you buy it

Yeah, chalk marks, that's the ticket. They only wanted to play tic-tac-toe on the federal building.

Fires set inside Portland federal courthouse fence; 18 arrested on federal charges - KTVZ

Another night of fiery confrontation was reported late Thursday and early Friday in downtown Portland, with fires set both inside and outside the fence surrounding the Mark Hatfield Federal Courthouse, police said.

ktvz.com

And the state couldn't take care of it ?? There was NO NEED for feds there Trump is losing badly and he's trying anything

It's not that the state can't take care of it, it's that they won't. Look at that building. Does it look like the state is doing anything about it?

And you refuse to acknowledge what the cause that made the Citizens feel the need to protest at the Federal Building. It doesn't make the rioting any less wrong but the real Protesters were gassed and beaten. I am not protecting the Rioters and Looters who are largely imported, I am saying that the attack on the Protesters themselves are just plain wrong. And the reason for the Protest, you are trying to cover up. It's the fact that Unnamed, unmarked Federalist are detaining American Citizens that are legally expressing the 1st Amendment. It's pretty damned simple to understand. It amounts to an invading force kidnapping and illegally retaining American Citizens on American soil.

Wrong. You don't have to protest at that federal courthouse. They have the rest of the city to protest in. Furthermore if they still insist on protesting there, they need to keep the distance set out by authorities. Nobody's freedom of speech is being violated. If you hate Trump, your freedom of speech does not mean you can walk right up to him and scream in his face how much you hate him. You can do that within the distance the SS sets forth for safety concerns.

The Mayor has the right to peaceably protest anywhere he chooses. It's a bit tough to call it an Illegal Assembly when the Mayor is part of it. Again, the Mayor was not rioting. The People around him were not rioting but they were gassed exercising their legal right of Protest. And the Rioters were probably not from Portland at all since most Rioters and Looters are Imports, not locals. Instead of Gassing American Citizens exercising their 1s Amendment Rights, that Federal Force should have been busting the Criminals. Instead, they gassed the Mayor.

It was a photo op and he planned it that way. Again, the authorities have the legal right to set distances from the court house. It doesn't matter if they were rioting or getting ready to. Don't cross this line, or else. You can protest 50 feet, 100 feet, or 200 feet from the building. Nobody's rights were being violated.

I don't know what is with you people and your resistance to authority.

Yes, Authorities do have that "Right". But you step one inch off of that Federal Property and you just entered the Authority of the Mayor. The Sidewalk isn't Federal Property. The Mayor and the local citizens own that. In fact, the only reason the Federal Building is there is because some Mayor in the past authorized it.

If you care to learn I suggest you click on 41 CFR Appendix to Part 102-74 - Rules and Regulations Governing Conduct on Federal Property.

With that in mind, are you aware that the Constitution states (And I can't find it right now due to time restraints) that the Federals are allowed to have X number of acres for Federal Use? I am sure that, in Oregon, the Feds have exceeded that limit a thousand times or more. But be that what is may, you step one foot off that Federal Property (and the Mayor was NOT on Federal Property as the Sidewalk and the street is NOT Federal Property) and the Feds have ZERO rights not given to them by the State or City. That means, the illegal apprehension and detention of Citizens outside of the Federal Property and the Gassing of the Mayor and the peaceful Protesters can give the Mayor the right to remove the permission to even have that Federal Court house. It's now in the Court's hands. If they follow the Laws then all hell is going to be paid over the actions of the Rump Brown Shirts on the streets and the gassing of the Mayor.

Your claim is ridiculous. Let's say the President is coming to your city. They close off the streets, everybody has to stay inside while the President is going to his destination. They close off all highways and roads. You mean to tell me the federal government has no legal authority to do that?

Years ago my niece got a DUI. She was right on the limit. The cop pulled her over on the highway. She passed all the tests except the breathalyzer. They were just about to let her go, and a state trooper pulled up. He talked to the officers and they explained everything. The Trooper told the officers to arrest her for DUI.

The local police officers had no choice. Troopers are state police, and have authority in the entire state, even if they are in your city. It's the chain of command. The cops even told my niece they were going to let her off the hook until that Trooper came over and again, he had authority over them.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You know that?? How?? and Obama sent their OWN MONEY back

When I've got money that terrorists are going to use to kill Americans and our allies, the first thing I want to do is send it to them.

It would have just been wrong to use it to compensate their victims, eh?

Stupid twat.