Another screw up by Trump and the GOP!

[Crepitus]

There is no freedom in starvation.

No starvation on welfare either.

There's nothing but starvation on welfare.

We have an awful lot of obese people, starving on welfare.

Crappy cheap foods and nothing to do will do that.

Yup......no starvation.

It's still starvation, just slower than complete deprivation.

 

[OKTexas]

Another screw up by Trump??? Hey TEX Is Portland in America??
Napolitano: DHS can protect federal assets in cities, but can't enforce local criminal law

“The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own consciences.”— C.S. Lewis (1898-1963)


Serious issues are implicating personal liberty and public safety in Portland, Ore. The police are not enforcing local and state laws. They are refraining from doing so because they have been so instructed by elected public officials.

The Supreme Court has ruled that state and local elected officials — not police — are empowered to determine the depth and breadth of law enforcement. And the court has also ruled that the police have no legal obligation to protect lives and property.

Stated differently, the police cannot be sued for their willful failures. The remedy for those failures — according to the court — is to elect different officials who will deploy police assets differently. Yet, the police have a moral obligation to protect lives and property. For what other purpose have we hired and empowered them?

OREGON LAWMAKER SAYS PORTLAND PROTESTS ARE ‘NOT OUT OF CONTROL’

All persons have a natural right to protect their lives and property, especially when the government fails to do so. If its failures are systemic and repeated, it is the duty of the people to alter or abolish the government. We know this from the Declaration of Independence.

More from Opinion

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• Judge Andrew Napolitano: America, our personal liberties are being squeezed in a vise
• Judge Andrew Napolitano: Statues protests – don’t erase history, but admit that good men did very bad things

Portland has been the center of anti-police demonstrations this summer. The neighborhood around the state Capitol has endured nearly two months of nighttime demonstrations. Most of these are peaceful; some are destructive.

Last weekend, with no notice or local consent, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security sent teams of agents — untrained in crowd control and wearing military fatigues — onto Portland’s streets. Their uniforms bore no governmental, administrative or personal names, just the word “Police” on masking tape. They descended upon the city in unmarked SUVs and began grabbing people indiscriminately off the streets, without regard to the person’s lawful presence or personal behavior.


'THEY HAVE TO BE RESTRAINED': JUDGE NAPOLITANO ON WHAT FEDERAL AGENTS IN PORTLAND CAN AND CANNOT DO

According to the account of one victim, he was walking peacefully in the downtown area, observing the chaos, when five masked men in fatigues exited an unmarked SUV, grabbed him and pulled him into the car. They tied his hands with plastic behind his back. They pulled his cap over his face. They kept him for two hours and then released him. They filed no charges against him.

They had no basis for this kidnapping.

It was a kidnapping, not an arrest. An arrest is a lawful restraint by a legitimate government authority pursuant to a warrant issued by a judge specifically naming the person to be arrested, or pursuant to probable cause of crime personally observed by the arresting officers. Neither of these was the case in Portland.

And some victims were even less fortunate than those kidnapped. They were assaulted with pepper spray and hit with nonlethal exploding bullets that stun, hurt and disorient. The bullets can harm the eyes, heart and liver. I saw a video of a young man riding a bicycle away from the chaos. Yet, he was attacked by five of these feds.

An Annapolis graduate and Navy veteran asked a small group of the feds by what constitutional authority they were present in Portland. They responded by pepper-spraying his face and beating his hand with a baton, shattering numerous bones in his hand.

Portland is in America, right? What’s going on here?

now even Joe Biden is not this stupid

Biden stupid?? Smart as a fox Using Obama's advisers Trump listens to nobody He's smarter that the doctors ,scientists generals ,experts on foreign relations ,,Did you know that since middle of march Trump has had 7 phone calls with his pal Putin ?? Bet it wan't about bounties Bet IT WAS about coming election and how Putin could help AGAIN

That's right. We're coming to get you with Putin. Better shove some blankets under your bed so you know he's not hiding there.

View attachment 367006

Amazing to me that you republicans can't see the forest for the trees Your POS TRUMP is looking to F up our election again and you sit there and applaud Shame on you

You mean like he did the last time that a 35 million dollar investigation shows didn't happen?

It's almost like watching a zombie movie with you on the left. The media tells you something, and in spite of hard evidence they are lying, you still believe it anyway. I suggest you read up on the subject Power of Suggestion to see why you think the way you do.

What lies ? That Russia aided Trump in election 2016?? Are you for real ? You don't believe that ?? And he got away with it then and he's trying again .7 calls with Putin since March Think ! Use the brain god gave you

Russia and others have been trying to mess with our elections for many years before Trump. But there is NO EVIDENCE that Trump had anything to do with it. In fact, it all happened under Hussein's watch. Trump was nothing more than your ordinary citizen if and when it took place.

Yes, Trump talks to Putin, just like Trump talks to many world leaders. That's one of the jobs a US President does.

LOL 7 times in a short period? Think they talked about bounties? Putin is a murdering scum that just gave himself a lifetime of power Trump envies him

Yeah? Well at least Trump didn't send him a billion dollars of cash on pallets.

You know that?? How?? and Obama sent their OWN MONEY back

Whether it was their money or ours, he was still pandering to the enemy; the country that sent their people into Iraq to kill thousands of American solders.

Remember the lies that sent our troops there?? One more lying pos republican to blame

Shifting the conversation noted.

The smell of republican wrongdoing and corruption permeates America You bring up Obama I bring up the repub scum bush Tit for tat

No, you brought up how Trump talks to Putin so much insinuating that he is colluding with our enemy. I brought up the money Hussein gave to Iran. See, that's being on the same subject. Then you tried to get out off that and turn it into an Iraq war discussion. See, shifting the conversation.

So in your warped republican mind Obama was colluding with Iran?? And you deny Trump and Putin are pals ??

He gave them billions to expand their terrorist network, what would you call it?

.

Here tex more Trump lies
Here’s a look at some of Trump’s statements and how they compare with the facts:

IRAN

TRUMP on Iran: “We gave them $150 billion and $1.8 billion and we got nothing. ... Look at what they did to John Kerry and to President Obama. Look what happened, where they’re bringing planeloads of cash, planeloads, big planes, 757s, Boeing 757s coming in loaded up with cash. What kind of a deal is that?” — news conference with Macron.

THE FACTS: It’s the kind of deal that did not actually take place.

When Iran signed the multinational deal to restrain its nuclear development in return for being freed from sanctions, it regained access to its own assets, which had been frozen abroad. There was no $150 billion gift from the U.S. treasury or other countries. Iran was allowed to get its money back.

The $1.8 billion refers to a separate matter, also misstated by the president going back to before the 2016 election.

A payout of roughly that amount did come from the U.S. treasury. It was to pay an old IOU.

In the 1970s, Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the government was overthrown and diplomatic relations ruptured. After the nuclear deal, the U.S. and Iran announced they had settled the matter, with the U.S. agreeing to pay the $400 million principal along with about $1.3 billion in interest.

The $400 million was paid in cash and flown to Tehran on a cargo plane. The arrangement provided for the interest to be paid later.

In Trump’s telling, one cargo plane with $400 million that was owed to Iran has become “big planes, 757s, Boeing 757s,” loaded with a $1.8 billion giveaway.

___

CLEAN AIR

TRUMP: “We’re, right now, having the cleanest air and cleanest water on the planet.” — remarks with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

THE FACTS: That’s not true. Air quality hasn’t improved under the Trump administration and dozens of nations have less smoggy air than the U.S.

Yeah, only a commie like maobama would make such a deal with terrorist. And you think it was all just swell. Which proves you're a commie POS.

.

And you're a fascist scum bag

Thank you. LMAO

.

 

[Crepitus]

Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.

A gap in federal unemployment benefits is now unavoidable. Here’s why.

State offices will need weeks to reprogram their systems to account for an extension of the $600 weekly federal payments that expire on Saturday.

www.politico.com

Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Ok Skippy, the first line of your link says: "Tens of millions of laid-off American workers will go weeks without federal jobless aid — because Congress hasn’t renewed the benefits." There also appears to be a number of references as to how the state(s) have failed to keep up due to antiquated systems. But what the hell, it must be Trump's fault...dumbass.

Of coure it's tRump's fault. The buck stops at the oval office. There were weeks and weeks of wasted time where tRump and his little butt-buddy Moscow Mitch sat on their hands and did nothing

Remember, with the big job comes the big responsibility.

Get back to me after you learn how the U.S. government works.

I already know. It appears you're having difficulties though.

Alrighty then, quick quiz, who controls the purse strings?

Who's in charge, friend? Who's "administration" is this?

As far as purse strings the house had a bill on Moscow Mitch's desk a month ago.

So your answer is Trump because he's in charge?

Did you not read my post?

I did read your post. One line suggests it Trump then you go with Moscow Mitch. You appear to be your normal confused as hell self.

Your reading comprehension skills are whack. His post was clear and concise. Trump did nothing for months - again, and Mitch McConnell let the Heros' Act languish on his desk for 9 weeks and then started over like it didn't exist.

Once Moscow Mitch, who is foolishly negotiating with the White House, but not the Democrats, actually makes a deal with the White House, he's going to have to take it to the floor of the Senate. There, Senate Republicans will vote down any Democratic amendments. Once the Senate passes the bill, McConnell is going to have to then go hat in hand to Nancy Pelosi and ask the House to pass whatever he and the White House cooks up.

Good luck with that.

Millions are going to lose their unemployment, thanks to the Trump/GOP bulshit.

A gap in federal unemployment benefits is now unavoidable. Here’s why.

State offices will need weeks to reprogram their systems to account for an extension of the $600 weekly federal payments that expire on Saturday.

www.politico.com

Read and weep for all those who are effected by this bullshit incompetence!

Ok Skippy, the first line of your link says: "Tens of millions of laid-off American workers will go weeks without federal jobless aid — because Congress hasn’t renewed the benefits." There also appears to be a number of references as to how the state(s) have failed to keep up due to antiquated systems. But what the hell, it must be Trump's fault...dumbass.

Of coure it's tRump's fault. The buck stops at the oval office. There were weeks and weeks of wasted time where tRump and his little butt-buddy Moscow Mitch sat on their hands and did nothing

Remember, with the big job comes the big responsibility.

Get back to me after you learn how the U.S. government works.

I already know. It appears you're having difficulties though.

Alrighty then, quick quiz, who controls the purse strings?

Who's in charge, friend? Who's "administration" is this?

As far as purse strings the house had a bill on Moscow Mitch's desk a month ago.

So your answer is Trump because he's in charge?

Did you not read my post?

I did read your post. One line suggests it Trump then you go with Moscow Mitch. You appear to be your normal confused as hell self.

Your reading comprehension skills are whack. His post was clear and concise. Trump did nothing for months - again, and Mitch McConnell let the Heros' Act languish on his desk for 9 weeks and then started over like it didn't exist.

Once Moscow Mitch, who is foolishly negotiating with the White House, but not the Democrats, actually makes a deal with the White House, he's going to have to take it to the floor of the Senate. There, Senate Republicans will vote down any Democratic amendments. Once the Senate passes the bill, McConnell is going to have to then go hat in hand to Nancy Pelosi and ask the House to pass whatever he and the White House cooks up.

Good luck with that.

Yep, the Hero's Act, the one asking for $3 Trillion, the one used to bail out Cities and States. Better stick to policies in the Canadian shithole you live in.

Just how long would you like this recession to last? Or maybe you're hoping it turns into a depression instead? You do realize Moscow Mitch could have started negotiations on modifications to the heros act anytime he wanted, right? Instead he just let it sit, on top of the huge pile of other bills doing the same thing, while the self proclaimed "grim reaper" of legislation watched things get worse and worse, grinning all the while. Republicans love it when poor people suffer, just so long as it doesn't effect rich folks and their Russian sponsors.

And then there's tRump. The incompetent occupant of the office who's job is to protect the American people. He could have been doing something besides denying there was a problem for the last 6 months. He could have told Moscow Mitch to get off his ass and get something going. He's fond of executive orders, he could have signed a few to actually help regular folks instead of rich people or stroking his/Putin's ego.

This is 100% republican's fault. From the virus response to the economic fallout republicans have failed miserably, with equal amounts of selfishness, incompetence, and apathy.

You successfully turned America into a their world banana republic.

Congratulations, I hear there's a special place in hell for you people.

ROFLMAO

.

Too many big words?

Maybe one of the older kids will help you.

I can't be bothered.

Nope, just my reaction to your garbage.

.

Riiiight.

Too many big words.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

There is no freedom in starvation.

No starvation on welfare either.

There's nothing but starvation on welfare.

We have an awful lot of obese people, starving on welfare.

Crappy cheap foods and nothing to do will do that.

Yup......no starvation.

It's still starvation, just slower than complete deprivation.

It's still starvation,

suffering or death caused by hunger.

Nope.

 

[OKTexas]

Another screw up by Trump??? Hey TEX Is Portland in America??
Napolitano: DHS can protect federal assets in cities, but can't enforce local criminal law

“The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own consciences.”— C.S. Lewis (1898-1963)


Serious issues are implicating personal liberty and public safety in Portland, Ore. The police are not enforcing local and state laws. They are refraining from doing so because they have been so instructed by elected public officials.

The Supreme Court has ruled that state and local elected officials — not police — are empowered to determine the depth and breadth of law enforcement. And the court has also ruled that the police have no legal obligation to protect lives and property.

Stated differently, the police cannot be sued for their willful failures. The remedy for those failures — according to the court — is to elect different officials who will deploy police assets differently. Yet, the police have a moral obligation to protect lives and property. For what other purpose have we hired and empowered them?

OREGON LAWMAKER SAYS PORTLAND PROTESTS ARE ‘NOT OUT OF CONTROL’

All persons have a natural right to protect their lives and property, especially when the government fails to do so. If its failures are systemic and repeated, it is the duty of the people to alter or abolish the government. We know this from the Declaration of Independence.

More from Opinion

• Judge Andrew Napolitano: Even hateful, hurtful and harmful speech is protected speech
• Judge Andrew Napolitano: America, our personal liberties are being squeezed in a vise
• Judge Andrew Napolitano: Statues protests – don’t erase history, but admit that good men did very bad things

Portland has been the center of anti-police demonstrations this summer. The neighborhood around the state Capitol has endured nearly two months of nighttime demonstrations. Most of these are peaceful; some are destructive.

Last weekend, with no notice or local consent, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security sent teams of agents — untrained in crowd control and wearing military fatigues — onto Portland’s streets. Their uniforms bore no governmental, administrative or personal names, just the word “Police” on masking tape. They descended upon the city in unmarked SUVs and began grabbing people indiscriminately off the streets, without regard to the person’s lawful presence or personal behavior.


'THEY HAVE TO BE RESTRAINED': JUDGE NAPOLITANO ON WHAT FEDERAL AGENTS IN PORTLAND CAN AND CANNOT DO

According to the account of one victim, he was walking peacefully in the downtown area, observing the chaos, when five masked men in fatigues exited an unmarked SUV, grabbed him and pulled him into the car. They tied his hands with plastic behind his back. They pulled his cap over his face. They kept him for two hours and then released him. They filed no charges against him.

They had no basis for this kidnapping.

It was a kidnapping, not an arrest. An arrest is a lawful restraint by a legitimate government authority pursuant to a warrant issued by a judge specifically naming the person to be arrested, or pursuant to probable cause of crime personally observed by the arresting officers. Neither of these was the case in Portland.

And some victims were even less fortunate than those kidnapped. They were assaulted with pepper spray and hit with nonlethal exploding bullets that stun, hurt and disorient. The bullets can harm the eyes, heart and liver. I saw a video of a young man riding a bicycle away from the chaos. Yet, he was attacked by five of these feds.

An Annapolis graduate and Navy veteran asked a small group of the feds by what constitutional authority they were present in Portland. They responded by pepper-spraying his face and beating his hand with a baton, shattering numerous bones in his hand.

Portland is in America, right? What’s going on here?

now even Joe Biden is not this stupid

Biden stupid?? Smart as a fox Using Obama's advisers Trump listens to nobody He's smarter that the doctors ,scientists generals ,experts on foreign relations ,,Did you know that since middle of march Trump has had 7 phone calls with his pal Putin ?? Bet it wan't about bounties Bet IT WAS about coming election and how Putin could help AGAIN

That's right. We're coming to get you with Putin. Better shove some blankets under your bed so you know he's not hiding there.

View attachment 367006

Amazing to me that you republicans can't see the forest for the trees Your POS TRUMP is looking to F up our election again and you sit there and applaud Shame on you

You mean like he did the last time that a 35 million dollar investigation shows didn't happen?

It's almost like watching a zombie movie with you on the left. The media tells you something, and in spite of hard evidence they are lying, you still believe it anyway. I suggest you read up on the subject Power of Suggestion to see why you think the way you do.

What lies ? That Russia aided Trump in election 2016?? Are you for real ? You don't believe that ?? And he got away with it then and he's trying again .7 calls with Putin since March Think ! Use the brain god gave you

Russia and others have been trying to mess with our elections for many years before Trump. But there is NO EVIDENCE that Trump had anything to do with it. In fact, it all happened under Hussein's watch. Trump was nothing more than your ordinary citizen if and when it took place.

Yes, Trump talks to Putin, just like Trump talks to many world leaders. That's one of the jobs a US President does.

LOL 7 times in a short period? Think they talked about bounties? Putin is a murdering scum that just gave himself a lifetime of power Trump envies him

Yeah? Well at least Trump didn't send him a billion dollars of cash on pallets.

You know that?? How?? and Obama sent their OWN MONEY back

Whether it was their money or ours, he was still pandering to the enemy; the country that sent their people into Iraq to kill thousands of American solders.

Remember the lies that sent our troops there?? One more lying pos republican to blame

Shifting the conversation noted.

The smell of republican wrongdoing and corruption permeates America You bring up Obama I bring up the repub scum bush Tit for tat

No, you brought up how Trump talks to Putin so much insinuating that he is colluding with our enemy. I brought up the money Hussein gave to Iran. See, that's being on the same subject. Then you tried to get out off that and turn it into an Iraq war discussion. See, shifting the conversation.

So in your warped republican mind Obama was colluding with Iran?? And you deny Trump and Putin are pals ??

He gave them billions to expand their terrorist network, what would you call it?

.

Here tex more Trump lies
Here’s a look at some of Trump’s statements and how they compare with the facts:

IRAN

TRUMP on Iran: “We gave them $150 billion and $1.8 billion and we got nothing. ... Look at what they did to John Kerry and to President Obama. Look what happened, where they’re bringing planeloads of cash, planeloads, big planes, 757s, Boeing 757s coming in loaded up with cash. What kind of a deal is that?” — news conference with Macron.

THE FACTS: It’s the kind of deal that did not actually take place.

When Iran signed the multinational deal to restrain its nuclear development in return for being freed from sanctions, it regained access to its own assets, which had been frozen abroad. There was no $150 billion gift from the U.S. treasury or other countries. Iran was allowed to get its money back.

The $1.8 billion refers to a separate matter, also misstated by the president going back to before the 2016 election.

A payout of roughly that amount did come from the U.S. treasury. It was to pay an old IOU.

In the 1970s, Iran paid the U.S. $400 million for military equipment that was never delivered because the government was overthrown and diplomatic relations ruptured. After the nuclear deal, the U.S. and Iran announced they had settled the matter, with the U.S. agreeing to pay the $400 million principal along with about $1.3 billion in interest.

The $400 million was paid in cash and flown to Tehran on a cargo plane. The arrangement provided for the interest to be paid later.

In Trump’s telling, one cargo plane with $400 million that was owed to Iran has become “big planes, 757s, Boeing 757s,” loaded with a $1.8 billion giveaway.

___

CLEAN AIR

TRUMP: “We’re, right now, having the cleanest air and cleanest water on the planet.” — remarks with Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi.

THE FACTS: That’s not true. Air quality hasn’t improved under the Trump administration and dozens of nations have less smoggy air than the U.S.

Yeah, only a commie like maobama would make such a deal with terrorist. And you think it was all just swell. Which proves you're a commie POS.

.

Calling others commies is real dumb tex when your leader kisses commie putin's ass

You're on here supporting communist/marxist assholes trying to destroy the country, that make you a putin puppet,.

.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is no freedom in starvation.

No starvation on welfare either.

There's nothing but starvation on welfare.

Would you like me to post some pictures of my HUD neighbors when they throw their bi-weekly BBQ parties?

 

[Dragonlady]

It means your wages are based on supply and demand

Except they are artificially suppressed. The market isn't really setting them.

Yes it is.

What are you worth at the place you work at? You are only worth as much as another person willing to take your job and do the same quality of work. That's it. If you demand a raise, your boss refuses, and you walk off the job, that employer needs to replace you.

If he can replace you for less money than you were getting paid, then you were overpaid. If he can replace you for the same wages, you were earning what you were worth. If he can't find anybody for the wage he was paying you and has to increase the offer, you were correct, you were being underpaid. That's how the system works.

In the early 80's, my company wanted me to go to electronics school since I was repairing medical equipment. I got burned out real quick working 7 days a week and then going to school at night, so I asked my teacher what kind of money I could earn after getting my FCC license (1 year of school). He told me about 16K a year. In disbelief, I asked what if I stayed two years and got my associates degree? He told me about 18K a year. So I dropped out. Hell, I was making more than that where I was currently working.

Electronics is very difficult because it's all math. So why such little pay? Because everybody and their mother were learning electronics at the time. After I left, I went to the want ads to see the jobs in electronics and what they were offering. There were no jobs posted. I looked for months.

The last two guys that came out to troubleshoot my cable system both had associates degrees in electronics. Cable jobs don't pay shit either.

That is NOT how the system works Ray.

Back when I was a bank manager, we got a directive from head office which said "Your average salaries are too high. Our goal is to reduce the average wage to 95% of the recommended wages - yours are at 105%. Anyone making more than 100% of the recommended wage is to be promoted. If they cannot be promoted, they should be encouraged to LEAVE, and replaced with someone making 95% of the recommended wage or below".

My branch was ranked as one of the best run offices in Canada. We were the 2nd branch converted to computer BECAUSE our staff was so exceptional. Our senior clerks all had at least 5 years experience, and could do multiple jobs within the branch because they worked their way up. Our foreign exchange clerk had been there for 10 years, and had been a teller, head teller, deposit accounts supervisor, loans supervisor, and foreign exchange clerk. She could fill in anywhere.

So we were supposed to "get rid of" this loyal employee who had been with us for 10 years, because we couldn't promote her, and get someone in right out of high school, and spend 5 years training them and hope they turn out to be as capable and hardworking as the woman she replaced.

Because for corporations, the bottom line is more important than skills, hard work and dedication.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

And this is ONLY a DRY RUN from the scumbag in our WH Wait till elections and his troops going to polling places

Would troops scare away illegal alien voters?

 

[OKTexas]

Another screw up by Trump??? Hey TEX Is Portland in America??
Napolitano: DHS can protect federal assets in cities, but can't enforce local criminal law

“The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own consciences.”— C.S. Lewis (1898-1963)


Serious issues are implicating personal liberty and public safety in Portland, Ore. The police are not enforcing local and state laws. They are refraining from doing so because they have been so instructed by elected public officials.

The Supreme Court has ruled that state and local elected officials — not police — are empowered to determine the depth and breadth of law enforcement. And the court has also ruled that the police have no legal obligation to protect lives and property.

Stated differently, the police cannot be sued for their willful failures. The remedy for those failures — according to the court — is to elect different officials who will deploy police assets differently. Yet, the police have a moral obligation to protect lives and property. For what other purpose have we hired and empowered them?

OREGON LAWMAKER SAYS PORTLAND PROTESTS ARE ‘NOT OUT OF CONTROL’

All persons have a natural right to protect their lives and property, especially when the government fails to do so. If its failures are systemic and repeated, it is the duty of the people to alter or abolish the government. We know this from the Declaration of Independence.

More from Opinion

• Judge Andrew Napolitano: Even hateful, hurtful and harmful speech is protected speech
• Judge Andrew Napolitano: America, our personal liberties are being squeezed in a vise
• Judge Andrew Napolitano: Statues protests – don’t erase history, but admit that good men did very bad things

Portland has been the center of anti-police demonstrations this summer. The neighborhood around the state Capitol has endured nearly two months of nighttime demonstrations. Most of these are peaceful; some are destructive.

Last weekend, with no notice or local consent, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security sent teams of agents — untrained in crowd control and wearing military fatigues — onto Portland’s streets. Their uniforms bore no governmental, administrative or personal names, just the word “Police” on masking tape. They descended upon the city in unmarked SUVs and began grabbing people indiscriminately off the streets, without regard to the person’s lawful presence or personal behavior.


'THEY HAVE TO BE RESTRAINED': JUDGE NAPOLITANO ON WHAT FEDERAL AGENTS IN PORTLAND CAN AND CANNOT DO

According to the account of one victim, he was walking peacefully in the downtown area, observing the chaos, when five masked men in fatigues exited an unmarked SUV, grabbed him and pulled him into the car. They tied his hands with plastic behind his back. They pulled his cap over his face. They kept him for two hours and then released him. They filed no charges against him.

They had no basis for this kidnapping.

It was a kidnapping, not an arrest. An arrest is a lawful restraint by a legitimate government authority pursuant to a warrant issued by a judge specifically naming the person to be arrested, or pursuant to probable cause of crime personally observed by the arresting officers. Neither of these was the case in Portland.

And some victims were even less fortunate than those kidnapped. They were assaulted with pepper spray and hit with nonlethal exploding bullets that stun, hurt and disorient. The bullets can harm the eyes, heart and liver. I saw a video of a young man riding a bicycle away from the chaos. Yet, he was attacked by five of these feds.

An Annapolis graduate and Navy veteran asked a small group of the feds by what constitutional authority they were present in Portland. They responded by pepper-spraying his face and beating his hand with a baton, shattering numerous bones in his hand.

Portland is in America, right? What’s going on here?

now even Joe Biden is not this stupid

Biden stupid?? Smart as a fox Using Obama's advisers Trump listens to nobody He's smarter that the doctors ,scientists generals ,experts on foreign relations ,,Did you know that since middle of march Trump has had 7 phone calls with his pal Putin ?? Bet it wan't about bounties Bet IT WAS about coming election and how Putin could help AGAIN

That's right. We're coming to get you with Putin. Better shove some blankets under your bed so you know he's not hiding there.

View attachment 367006

Amazing to me that you republicans can't see the forest for the trees Your POS TRUMP is looking to F up our election again and you sit there and applaud Shame on you

You mean like he did the last time that a 35 million dollar investigation shows didn't happen?

It's almost like watching a zombie movie with you on the left. The media tells you something, and in spite of hard evidence they are lying, you still believe it anyway. I suggest you read up on the subject Power of Suggestion to see why you think the way you do.

What lies ? That Russia aided Trump in election 2016?? Are you for real ? You don't believe that ?? And he got away with it then and he's trying again .7 calls with Putin since March Think ! Use the brain god gave you

Russia and others have been trying to mess with our elections for many years before Trump. But there is NO EVIDENCE that Trump had anything to do with it. In fact, it all happened under Hussein's watch. Trump was nothing more than your ordinary citizen if and when it took place.

Yes, Trump talks to Putin, just like Trump talks to many world leaders. That's one of the jobs a US President does.

LOL 7 times in a short period? Think they talked about bounties? Putin is a murdering scum that just gave himself a lifetime of power Trump envies him

Yeah? Well at least Trump didn't send him a billion dollars of cash on pallets.

You know that?? How?? and Obama sent their OWN MONEY back

Whether it was their money or ours, he was still pandering to the enemy; the country that sent their people into Iraq to kill thousands of American solders.

Remember the lies that sent our troops there?? One more lying pos republican to blame

Shifting the conversation noted.

The smell of republican wrongdoing and corruption permeates America You bring up Obama I bring up the repub scum bush Tit for tat

No, you brought up how Trump talks to Putin so much insinuating that he is colluding with our enemy. I brought up the money Hussein gave to Iran. See, that's being on the same subject. Then you tried to get out off that and turn it into an Iraq war discussion. See, shifting the conversation.

So in your warped republican mind Obama was colluding with Iran?? And you deny Trump and Putin are pals ??

He gave them billions to expand their terrorist network, what would you call it?

I call it "Returning the money which the American government illegal seized from the government of Iran, when Iranians attacked the US Embassy in Tehran". The American Courts ORDERED Obama to return this money to Iran. So what you're saying is that Obama should not have obeyed a Court Order.

No wonder you support Trump's lawlessness. You think that Court Orders should not be obeyed.

Inside the 37-Year Standoff Over Iran’s Frozen U.S. Dollars

Iran sought the money from every administration since Carter’s; will Obama’s deal encourage more claims?

www.wsj.com

Liars tend to use links behind pay walls. Carry on commie.

.

7 phone calls since March Think schmuck and Putin were talking about adaptions or maybe bounties??? Maybe wanting help screwing up our election again?

.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It means your wages are based on supply and demand

Except they are artificially suppressed. The market isn't really setting them.

Yes it is.

What are you worth at the place you work at? You are only worth as much as another person willing to take your job and do the same quality of work. That's it. If you demand a raise, your boss refuses, and you walk off the job, that employer needs to replace you.

If he can replace you for less money than you were getting paid, then you were overpaid. If he can replace you for the same wages, you were earning what you were worth. If he can't find anybody for the wage he was paying you and has to increase the offer, you were correct, you were being underpaid. That's how the system works.

In the early 80's, my company wanted me to go to electronics school since I was repairing medical equipment. I got burned out real quick working 7 days a week and then going to school at night, so I asked my teacher what kind of money I could earn after getting my FCC license (1 year of school). He told me about 16K a year. In disbelief, I asked what if I stayed two years and got my associates degree? He told me about 18K a year. So I dropped out. Hell, I was making more than that where I was currently working.

Electronics is very difficult because it's all math. So why such little pay? Because everybody and their mother were learning electronics at the time. After I left, I went to the want ads to see the jobs in electronics and what they were offering. There were no jobs posted. I looked for months.

The last two guys that came out to troubleshoot my cable system both had associates degrees in electronics. Cable jobs don't pay shit either.

Should have gotten a degree in computing Son has one and since graduating has gotten 5 jobs each one paying more than the last ,, and he's 32 .......One company ceased doing business and gave him 2 1/2 years pay as a parting gift

When I was younger there was no computing. I took data processing in school which was as close as it got, and that didn't pay anything either.

 

[OKTexas]

Another screw up by Trump??? Hey TEX Is Portland in America??
Napolitano: DHS can protect federal assets in cities, but can't enforce local criminal law

“The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own consciences.”— C.S. Lewis (1898-1963)


Serious issues are implicating personal liberty and public safety in Portland, Ore. The police are not enforcing local and state laws. They are refraining from doing so because they have been so instructed by elected public officials.

The Supreme Court has ruled that state and local elected officials — not police — are empowered to determine the depth and breadth of law enforcement. And the court has also ruled that the police have no legal obligation to protect lives and property.

Stated differently, the police cannot be sued for their willful failures. The remedy for those failures — according to the court — is to elect different officials who will deploy police assets differently. Yet, the police have a moral obligation to protect lives and property. For what other purpose have we hired and empowered them?

OREGON LAWMAKER SAYS PORTLAND PROTESTS ARE ‘NOT OUT OF CONTROL’

All persons have a natural right to protect their lives and property, especially when the government fails to do so. If its failures are systemic and repeated, it is the duty of the people to alter or abolish the government. We know this from the Declaration of Independence.

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Portland has been the center of anti-police demonstrations this summer. The neighborhood around the state Capitol has endured nearly two months of nighttime demonstrations. Most of these are peaceful; some are destructive.

Last weekend, with no notice or local consent, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security sent teams of agents — untrained in crowd control and wearing military fatigues — onto Portland’s streets. Their uniforms bore no governmental, administrative or personal names, just the word “Police” on masking tape. They descended upon the city in unmarked SUVs and began grabbing people indiscriminately off the streets, without regard to the person’s lawful presence or personal behavior.


'THEY HAVE TO BE RESTRAINED': JUDGE NAPOLITANO ON WHAT FEDERAL AGENTS IN PORTLAND CAN AND CANNOT DO

According to the account of one victim, he was walking peacefully in the downtown area, observing the chaos, when five masked men in fatigues exited an unmarked SUV, grabbed him and pulled him into the car. They tied his hands with plastic behind his back. They pulled his cap over his face. They kept him for two hours and then released him. They filed no charges against him.

They had no basis for this kidnapping.

It was a kidnapping, not an arrest. An arrest is a lawful restraint by a legitimate government authority pursuant to a warrant issued by a judge specifically naming the person to be arrested, or pursuant to probable cause of crime personally observed by the arresting officers. Neither of these was the case in Portland.

And some victims were even less fortunate than those kidnapped. They were assaulted with pepper spray and hit with nonlethal exploding bullets that stun, hurt and disorient. The bullets can harm the eyes, heart and liver. I saw a video of a young man riding a bicycle away from the chaos. Yet, he was attacked by five of these feds.

An Annapolis graduate and Navy veteran asked a small group of the feds by what constitutional authority they were present in Portland. They responded by pepper-spraying his face and beating his hand with a baton, shattering numerous bones in his hand.

Portland is in America, right? What’s going on here?

now even Joe Biden is not this stupid

Biden stupid?? Smart as a fox Using Obama's advisers Trump listens to nobody He's smarter that the doctors ,scientists generals ,experts on foreign relations ,,Did you know that since middle of march Trump has had 7 phone calls with his pal Putin ?? Bet it wan't about bounties Bet IT WAS about coming election and how Putin could help AGAIN

That's right. We're coming to get you with Putin. Better shove some blankets under your bed so you know he's not hiding there.

View attachment 367006

Amazing to me that you republicans can't see the forest for the trees Your POS TRUMP is looking to F up our election again and you sit there and applaud Shame on you

You mean like he did the last time that a 35 million dollar investigation shows didn't happen?

It's almost like watching a zombie movie with you on the left. The media tells you something, and in spite of hard evidence they are lying, you still believe it anyway. I suggest you read up on the subject Power of Suggestion to see why you think the way you do.

What lies ? That Russia aided Trump in election 2016?? Are you for real ? You don't believe that ?? And he got away with it then and he's trying again .7 calls with Putin since March Think ! Use the brain god gave you

Russia and others have been trying to mess with our elections for many years before Trump. But there is NO EVIDENCE that Trump had anything to do with it. In fact, it all happened under Hussein's watch. Trump was nothing more than your ordinary citizen if and when it took place.

Yes, Trump talks to Putin, just like Trump talks to many world leaders. That's one of the jobs a US President does.

LOL 7 times in a short period? Think they talked about bounties? Putin is a murdering scum that just gave himself a lifetime of power Trump envies him

Yeah? Well at least Trump didn't send him a billion dollars of cash on pallets.

You know that?? How?? and Obama sent their OWN MONEY back

Whether it was their money or ours, he was still pandering to the enemy; the country that sent their people into Iraq to kill thousands of American solders.

Remember the lies that sent our troops there?? One more lying pos republican to blame

Shifting the conversation noted.

The smell of republican wrongdoing and corruption permeates America You bring up Obama I bring up the repub scum bush Tit for tat

No, you brought up how Trump talks to Putin so much insinuating that he is colluding with our enemy. I brought up the money Hussein gave to Iran. See, that's being on the same subject. Then you tried to get out off that and turn it into an Iraq war discussion. See, shifting the conversation.

So in your warped republican mind Obama was colluding with Iran?? And you deny Trump and Putin are pals ??

He gave them billions to expand their terrorist network, what would you call it?

I call it "Returning the money which the American government illegal seized from the government of Iran, when Iranians attacked the US Embassy in Tehran". The American Courts ORDERED Obama to return this money to Iran. So what you're saying is that Obama should not have obeyed a Court Order.

No wonder you support Trump's lawlessness. You think that Court Orders should not be obeyed.

Inside the 37-Year Standoff Over Iran’s Frozen U.S. Dollars

Iran sought the money from every administration since Carter’s; will Obama’s deal encourage more claims?

www.wsj.com

Liars tend to use links behind pay walls. Carry on commie.

No they don't. Liars use The Gateway Pundit, Breitbart and FOX to back up their lies.

I used the Wall Street Journal. A reputable publication which isnt a Questionable Source, even if it is owned by Rupert Murdoch and occasionally denies climate change and other science.

Overall, we rate the Wall Street Journal Right-Center biased due to low biased news reporting in combination with a strongly right biased editorial stance. We also rate them Mostly Factual in reporting rather than High, due to anti-climate, anti-science stances and occasional misleading editorials.

It's really difficult to find right wing sources which can pass a fact check, since defending the Republican economic record over the past 40 years is now virtually impossible.

Yet the limited portion I could read, didn't back up your bullshit. Go figure.

.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It means your wages are based on supply and demand

Except they are artificially suppressed. The market isn't really setting them.

Yes it is.

What are you worth at the place you work at? You are only worth as much as another person willing to take your job and do the same quality of work. That's it. If you demand a raise, your boss refuses, and you walk off the job, that employer needs to replace you.

If he can replace you for less money than you were getting paid, then you were overpaid. If he can replace you for the same wages, you were earning what you were worth. If he can't find anybody for the wage he was paying you and has to increase the offer, you were correct, you were being underpaid. That's how the system works.

In the early 80's, my company wanted me to go to electronics school since I was repairing medical equipment. I got burned out real quick working 7 days a week and then going to school at night, so I asked my teacher what kind of money I could earn after getting my FCC license (1 year of school). He told me about 16K a year. In disbelief, I asked what if I stayed two years and got my associates degree? He told me about 18K a year. So I dropped out. Hell, I was making more than that where I was currently working.

Electronics is very difficult because it's all math. So why such little pay? Because everybody and their mother were learning electronics at the time. After I left, I went to the want ads to see the jobs in electronics and what they were offering. There were no jobs posted. I looked for months.

The last two guys that came out to troubleshoot my cable system both had associates degrees in electronics. Cable jobs don't pay shit either.

I haven't worked for anyone other than me since my twenties. It became obvious to me that "the market" don't set shit. Large employers conspire to keep wages low. The government assists them by paying part of the employee's wages. You cannot live the "American dream" on a payroll anymore.

Sure you can. You just have to choose the right field of work. I'm a retired truck driver, and even today, good drivers are still in demand. If you're willing to go over the road, you can make close to six figures with the right job, and companies will be fighting to get you.

My father is a retired bricklayer, and his union sends him bricklayer information to keep their retirees in the loop. One year they were asking their retirees to find young people who could pass a drug test and get interested in that line of work. My father did very well for himself as a bricklayer, and the union can't find people to do the work. Granted, very hard work, but you can make in excess of $50.00 an hour when you include benefits.

Walmart to hire hundreds of truck drivers, raise salary to nearly $90,000

Walmart has announced it will hire “hundreds” of truck drivers and raise driver pay in 2019. Last year, the company saw same-store comp sales hit three percent, “which is leading …

fox8.com

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Another screw up by Trump??? Hey TEX Is Portland in America??
Napolitano: DHS can protect federal assets in cities, but can't enforce local criminal law

“The robber baron’s cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own consciences.”— C.S. Lewis (1898-1963)


Serious issues are implicating personal liberty and public safety in Portland, Ore. The police are not enforcing local and state laws. They are refraining from doing so because they have been so instructed by elected public officials.

The Supreme Court has ruled that state and local elected officials — not police — are empowered to determine the depth and breadth of law enforcement. And the court has also ruled that the police have no legal obligation to protect lives and property.

Stated differently, the police cannot be sued for their willful failures. The remedy for those failures — according to the court — is to elect different officials who will deploy police assets differently. Yet, the police have a moral obligation to protect lives and property. For what other purpose have we hired and empowered them?

OREGON LAWMAKER SAYS PORTLAND PROTESTS ARE ‘NOT OUT OF CONTROL’

All persons have a natural right to protect their lives and property, especially when the government fails to do so. If its failures are systemic and repeated, it is the duty of the people to alter or abolish the government. We know this from the Declaration of Independence.

More from Opinion

• Judge Andrew Napolitano: Even hateful, hurtful and harmful speech is protected speech
• Judge Andrew Napolitano: America, our personal liberties are being squeezed in a vise
• Judge Andrew Napolitano: Statues protests – don’t erase history, but admit that good men did very bad things

Portland has been the center of anti-police demonstrations this summer. The neighborhood around the state Capitol has endured nearly two months of nighttime demonstrations. Most of these are peaceful; some are destructive.

Last weekend, with no notice or local consent, the U.S. Department of Homeland Security sent teams of agents — untrained in crowd control and wearing military fatigues — onto Portland’s streets. Their uniforms bore no governmental, administrative or personal names, just the word “Police” on masking tape. They descended upon the city in unmarked SUVs and began grabbing people indiscriminately off the streets, without regard to the person’s lawful presence or personal behavior.


'THEY HAVE TO BE RESTRAINED': JUDGE NAPOLITANO ON WHAT FEDERAL AGENTS IN PORTLAND CAN AND CANNOT DO

According to the account of one victim, he was walking peacefully in the downtown area, observing the chaos, when five masked men in fatigues exited an unmarked SUV, grabbed him and pulled him into the car. They tied his hands with plastic behind his back. They pulled his cap over his face. They kept him for two hours and then released him. They filed no charges against him.

They had no basis for this kidnapping.

It was a kidnapping, not an arrest. An arrest is a lawful restraint by a legitimate government authority pursuant to a warrant issued by a judge specifically naming the person to be arrested, or pursuant to probable cause of crime personally observed by the arresting officers. Neither of these was the case in Portland.

And some victims were even less fortunate than those kidnapped. They were assaulted with pepper spray and hit with nonlethal exploding bullets that stun, hurt and disorient. The bullets can harm the eyes, heart and liver. I saw a video of a young man riding a bicycle away from the chaos. Yet, he was attacked by five of these feds.

An Annapolis graduate and Navy veteran asked a small group of the feds by what constitutional authority they were present in Portland. They responded by pepper-spraying his face and beating his hand with a baton, shattering numerous bones in his hand.

Portland is in America, right? What’s going on here?

now even Joe Biden is not this stupid

Biden stupid?? Smart as a fox Using Obama's advisers Trump listens to nobody He's smarter that the doctors ,scientists generals ,experts on foreign relations ,,Did you know that since middle of march Trump has had 7 phone calls with his pal Putin ?? Bet it wan't about bounties Bet IT WAS about coming election and how Putin could help AGAIN

That's right. We're coming to get you with Putin. Better shove some blankets under your bed so you know he's not hiding there.

View attachment 367006

Amazing to me that you republicans can't see the forest for the trees Your POS TRUMP is looking to F up our election again and you sit there and applaud Shame on you

You mean like he did the last time that a 35 million dollar investigation shows didn't happen?

It's almost like watching a zombie movie with you on the left. The media tells you something, and in spite of hard evidence they are lying, you still believe it anyway. I suggest you read up on the subject Power of Suggestion to see why you think the way you do.

What lies ? That Russia aided Trump in election 2016?? Are you for real ? You don't believe that ?? And he got away with it then and he's trying again .7 calls with Putin since March Think ! Use the brain god gave you

Russia and others have been trying to mess with our elections for many years before Trump. But there is NO EVIDENCE that Trump had anything to do with it. In fact, it all happened under Hussein's watch. Trump was nothing more than your ordinary citizen if and when it took place.

Yes, Trump talks to Putin, just like Trump talks to many world leaders. That's one of the jobs a US President does.

LOL 7 times in a short period? Think they talked about bounties? Putin is a murdering scum that just gave himself a lifetime of power Trump envies him

Yeah? Well at least Trump didn't send him a billion dollars of cash on pallets.

You know that?? How?? and Obama sent their OWN MONEY back

Whether it was their money or ours, he was still pandering to the enemy; the country that sent their people into Iraq to kill thousands of American solders.

Remember the lies that sent our troops there?? One more lying pos republican to blame

Shifting the conversation noted.

The smell of republican wrongdoing and corruption permeates America You bring up Obama I bring up the repub scum bush Tit for tat

No, you brought up how Trump talks to Putin so much insinuating that he is colluding with our enemy. I brought up the money Hussein gave to Iran. See, that's being on the same subject. Then you tried to get out off that and turn it into an Iraq war discussion. See, shifting the conversation.

So in your warped republican mind Obama was colluding with Iran?? And you deny Trump and Putin are pals ??

He gave them billions to expand their terrorist network, what would you call it?

I call it "Returning the money which the American government illegal seized from the government of Iran, when Iranians attacked the US Embassy in Tehran". The American Courts ORDERED Obama to return this money to Iran. So what you're saying is that Obama should not have obeyed a Court Order.

No wonder you support Trump's lawlessness. You think that Court Orders should not be obeyed.

Inside the 37-Year Standoff Over Iran’s Frozen U.S. Dollars

Iran sought the money from every administration since Carter’s; will Obama’s deal encourage more claims?

www.wsj.com

Liars tend to use links behind pay walls. Carry on commie.

.

7 phone calls since March Think schmuck and Putin were talking about adaptions or maybe bounties??? Maybe wanting help screwing up our election again?

Maybe they were talking about their grandchildren.

 

[eddiew]

And this is ONLY a DRY RUN from the scumbag in our WH Wait till elections and his troops going to polling places

Would troops scare away illegal alien voters?

They'll disrupt legal voting There is no illegal voting

 

[eddiew]

There is no freedom in starvation.

No starvation on welfare either.

There's nothing but starvation on welfare.

Would you like me to post some pictures of my HUD neighbors when they throw their bi-weekly BBQ parties?

Don't get pissed at them ray just because they don't invite you

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It means your wages are based on supply and demand

Except they are artificially suppressed. The market isn't really setting them.

Yes it is.

What are you worth at the place you work at? You are only worth as much as another person willing to take your job and do the same quality of work. That's it. If you demand a raise, your boss refuses, and you walk off the job, that employer needs to replace you.

If he can replace you for less money than you were getting paid, then you were overpaid. If he can replace you for the same wages, you were earning what you were worth. If he can't find anybody for the wage he was paying you and has to increase the offer, you were correct, you were being underpaid. That's how the system works.

In the early 80's, my company wanted me to go to electronics school since I was repairing medical equipment. I got burned out real quick working 7 days a week and then going to school at night, so I asked my teacher what kind of money I could earn after getting my FCC license (1 year of school). He told me about 16K a year. In disbelief, I asked what if I stayed two years and got my associates degree? He told me about 18K a year. So I dropped out. Hell, I was making more than that where I was currently working.

Electronics is very difficult because it's all math. So why such little pay? Because everybody and their mother were learning electronics at the time. After I left, I went to the want ads to see the jobs in electronics and what they were offering. There were no jobs posted. I looked for months.

The last two guys that came out to troubleshoot my cable system both had associates degrees in electronics. Cable jobs don't pay shit either.

That is NOT how the system works Ray.

Back when I was a bank manager, we got a directive from head office which said "Your average salaries are too high. Our goal is to reduce the average wage to 95% of the recommended wages - yours are at 105%. Anyone making more than 100% of the recommended wage is to be promoted. If they cannot be promoted, they should be encouraged to LEAVE, and replaced with someone making 95% of the recommended wage or below".

My branch was ranked as one of the best run offices in Canada. We were the 2nd branch converted to computer BECAUSE our staff was so exceptional. Our senior clerks all had at least 5 years experience, and could do multiple jobs within the branch because they worked their way up. Our foreign exchange clerk had been there for 10 years, and had been a teller, head teller, deposit accounts supervisor, loans supervisor, and foreign exchange clerk. She could fill in anywhere.

So we were supposed to "get rid of" this loyal employee who had been with us for 10 years, because we couldn't promote her, and get someone in right out of high school, and spend 5 years training them and hope they turn out to be as capable and hardworking as the woman she replaced.

Because for corporations, the bottom line is more important than skills, hard work and dedication.

I don't know what that has to do with what I posted. My point is simply you are worth what somebody else can do the job for. If your company is willing to hire less quality for less money, then again, that's on them. I've seen it happen here many times. Several of our customers turned their nearly all white crew into nearly all black. They don't get the same quality of work as the white workers, but in the end, they still saved money on payroll and associated costs with employment because blacks are willing to work for less money per hour.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

There is no freedom in starvation.

No starvation on welfare either.

There's nothing but starvation on welfare.

Would you like me to post some pictures of my HUD neighbors when they throw their bi-weekly BBQ parties?

Don't get pissed at them ray just because they don't invite you

No, I get pissed at them because of all the noise and filth on their property. HUD is putting them in suburbs and they are having BBQ parties, sometimes up to 20 guests. It's good to know how our tax dollars are being spent, isn't it?

 

[eddiew]

It means your wages are based on supply and demand

Except they are artificially suppressed. The market isn't really setting them.

Yes it is.

What are you worth at the place you work at? You are only worth as much as another person willing to take your job and do the same quality of work. That's it. If you demand a raise, your boss refuses, and you walk off the job, that employer needs to replace you.

If he can replace you for less money than you were getting paid, then you were overpaid. If he can replace you for the same wages, you were earning what you were worth. If he can't find anybody for the wage he was paying you and has to increase the offer, you were correct, you were being underpaid. That's how the system works.

In the early 80's, my company wanted me to go to electronics school since I was repairing medical equipment. I got burned out real quick working 7 days a week and then going to school at night, so I asked my teacher what kind of money I could earn after getting my FCC license (1 year of school). He told me about 16K a year. In disbelief, I asked what if I stayed two years and got my associates degree? He told me about 18K a year. So I dropped out. Hell, I was making more than that where I was currently working.

Electronics is very difficult because it's all math. So why such little pay? Because everybody and their mother were learning electronics at the time. After I left, I went to the want ads to see the jobs in electronics and what they were offering. There were no jobs posted. I looked for months.

The last two guys that came out to troubleshoot my cable system both had associates degrees in electronics. Cable jobs don't pay shit either.

That is NOT how the system works Ray.

Back when I was a bank manager, we got a directive from head office which said "Your average salaries are too high. Our goal is to reduce the average wage to 95% of the recommended wages - yours are at 105%. Anyone making more than 100% of the recommended wage is to be promoted. If they cannot be promoted, they should be encouraged to LEAVE, and replaced with someone making 95% of the recommended wage or below".

My branch was ranked as one of the best run offices in Canada. We were the 2nd branch converted to computer BECAUSE our staff was so exceptional. Our senior clerks all had at least 5 years experience, and could do multiple jobs within the branch because they worked their way up. Our foreign exchange clerk had been there for 10 years, and had been a teller, head teller, deposit accounts supervisor, loans supervisor, and foreign exchange clerk. She could fill in anywhere.

So we were supposed to "get rid of" this loyal employee who had been with us for 10 years, because we couldn't promote her, and get someone in right out of high school, and spend 5 years training them and hope they turn out to be as capable and hardworking as the woman she replaced.

Because for corporations, the bottom line is more important than skills, hard work and dedication.

I don't know what that has to do with what I posted. My point is simply you are worth what somebody else can do the job for. If your company is willing to hire less quality for less money, then again, that's on them. I've seen it happen here many times. Several of our customers turned their nearly all white crew into nearly all black. They don't get the same quality of work as the white workers, but in the end, they still saved money on payroll and associated costs with employment because blacks are willing to work for less money per hour.

Maybe those blacks have no choice ? Only way for them to get jobs is cutting their pay?

 

[eddiew]

There is no freedom in starvation.

No starvation on welfare either.

There's nothing but starvation on welfare.

Would you like me to post some pictures of my HUD neighbors when they throw their bi-weekly BBQ parties?

Don't get pissed at them ray just because they don't invite you

No, I get pissed at them because of all the noise and filth on their property. HUD is putting them in suburbs and they are having BBQ parties, sometimes up to 20 guests. It's good to know how our tax dollars are being spent, isn't it?

Don't know how they can do it

 

[eddiew]

Anyway nice to have 20 friends I only have 3 all bartenders