Another win for Religious Liberty

[C_Clayton_Jones]

You should pay attention to commas.

They are not criminal filth, that reflects more on you than on them.

They are people escaping bad situations, trying to find a better life like your ancestors.

Their only crime is entering the country illegally. That is it.

They are worse than mere criminal filth. They are foreign invaders. They are enemies of this country. They are enemies of the American people.

Again, you are violating the rule against attacking another member's family, by likening my •LEGALLY•-immigrating ancestors to these illegal foreign invaders.

Reported again, you lying, treasonous bitch!

You’re the typical rightist: ignorant, hateful, bigoted.

America is a nation of immigrants, they are our greatest strength; your unwarranted hatred of immigrants is indeed un-American.

And immigrants who come to the United States as refugees do so in accordance with the law where immigration law recognizes that prior authorization to enter the country is not possible.

Immigrants are not “criminal filth,” they are human beings fleeing oppression and economic hardship.

All immigrants are entitled to a presumption of innocence and due process of the law; an undocumented immigrant is not ‘illegal’ until his status as a refugee is determined in a court of law.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

They aren’t our enemies. They are just effing migrants, little different than your ancestors, who are entering the country illegally. That is it. It certainly doesn’t warrant death.

You ain’t no Christian.

First of all, I don't give any credence to one who openly despises Christianity, to judge whether I am a Christian or not.

Second, not one of my ancestors came here illegally. Every single one who immigrated to this country, did so in accordance with whatever laws and policies, if any, were in effect at the time. You have no valid excuse to insult my ancestors, by thus comparing them to the foreign criminal filth that are now illegally invading this country. Am I mistaken, or isn't it against the rules on this forum to gratuitously insult another user's family members?

And legitimate migrants, just as my immigrant ancestors, come here legally, through the proper channels and procedures established by our laws to admit such immigrants. Those who come here illegally are not immigrants, they are invaders.

You should pay attention to commas.

They are not criminal filth, that reflects more on you than on them.

They are people escaping bad situations, trying to find a better life like your ancestors.

Their only crime is entering the country illegally. That is it.

If they "want a better life" they need to do it the proper way, period. That is not a valid excuse to shirk our laws. Half the goddamn planet lives on less than $3/day. I'm sure they all want better lives. Should we take them ALL in? How many do you think we can sustain before our entire social welfare net collapses?

The ‘proper way’ for refugees to enter the country is to do so absent authorization, present themselves to immigration authorities, and apply for refugee status.

The ‘proper way’ is determined by one’s country of origin, among other factors – an immigrant from Cuba is not subject to the same immigration policies as an immigrant from the UK.

The problem is determining the refugee status of immigrants from countries where there is considerable economic hardship and/or criminal violence, but the government is not necessarily oppressive, it’s simply too corrupt and ineffective to address the poverty and criminal violence.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Back on topic – and again:

It’s a situation where conservatives should be careful what they wish for.

Rightists have successfully used the RFRA and its doctrine of ‘religious liberty’ to propagate their hate and bigotry – seeking to discriminate against gay Americans, for example.

But if Christian dogma is protected comprehensively, things conservatives oppose will likewise be entitled to legal protection, such as safeguarding the lives of immigrants.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I'm confused on how this is a religious freedom issue.

First:
You can't just "make up" that something is a matter of religious freedom randomly.

Especially as a Christian, which is an established 2,000 year old doctrine, you can determine pretty quickly if something is a matter of religious freedom or not. Where in the Bible does it say, or in what church doctrine, has any group written down that a Christian must find migrant in the desert, and help them avoid dehydration?

Where is that? It's nowhere. There is no such Bible verse anywhere.

It is like none of you have ever read your own bible. I have only posted this passage 4 or 5 times now, how did you miss it?

34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[f] you did it to me.’

This person is living this passage, more than likely far better than you or I. You may not like what he is doing, but if you have even a tiny amount of integrity you cannot deny he is follow this.

Second:
What is even more ironic, the group this guy belongs to is Unitarian Universalist, which is basically the "church of nothing". It's like religion for Atheists.

How can a Church that has no creeds... and you go look up yourself that Unitarian Universalist push no creeds at all.... how can a "no creed" church, have "Go help migrants in the desert" be a matter of religious freedom?

They openly state they have no creeds, yet you have to do this, or it's a violation of their faith? Do you not see an issue here?

So on that level, this is ridiculous.

They have no creeds that the church forces people to follow, each of its members follows their own.

Third:

Even if you had a religion where going and helping migrants in the desert was a religious creed.... how can that even work? What happens to all the people that don't live near a desert? Are they kicked out of the religion? What happens if migration stops? Does the religious group this guy belongs to, disband?

So again, this is a little ridiculous.

They give food and water to other people, perhaps the homeless or someone else. My church in Yuma did an outreach where we handed out bottles of water to people that were working outside during the summer. It was very well received.

You really seem to have no understanding of the teachings of Jesus at all.

But here is my real issue....

This guy is killing people. People are dying, because of this guy. I'm not even concerned about the fact these people are illegally entering, and the all that crap about helping someone who is violating the law. That debate might work with some, but truth is if a person came to my house in serious trouble, I would help them without a second thought. I would bring them into my house, and do whatever I could to help them.

That is not a problem.

The problem is, his actions are directly leading to people dying. This man is encouraging highly risky and dangerous behavior. If he wants to sponsor a migrant to come to the US, go for it. If he wants to support a shelter for people at the border, be my guest.

But to go out into the desert, and leave food and water.... that is going to encourage more people to make the trek out into the desert where they are going to die. They are going to see this story, and believe that it is safe to cross the desert, and the first guy that walks out there drinks the water, and eats the food, and the next 20 end up corpse in the desert sand.

This guy is killing people. That's my problem. If you give a crap about these people, he would be better spending his money sending pamphlets to Mexico warning of the dangers of trying to cross the desert on foot, rather than dropping a jar of water, patting himself on the back, and cause dozens of deaths.

This by the way, is the problem with all left-wing ideology. You pretend you are doing good for people, while causing everyone to suffer. Insert, Venezuela.

What a load of fucking horse shit. Nobody is coming across the border because some stranger might have left some food and water for them. You are the second dumb fuck to push this lie, and the second one to have zero evidence to support it. You have no earthly clue what you are talking about.

 

[sparky]

Rightists have successfully used the RFRA and its doctrine of ‘religious liberty’ to propagate their hate and bigotry

maybe i missed it? who are they Clay?

~S~

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Rightists have successfully used the RFRA and its doctrine of ‘religious liberty’ to propagate their hate and bigotry

maybe i missed it? who are they Clay?

~S~

Federal Religious Freedom Restoration Act Overview - FindLaw

An unwarranted and wrongheaded response to Employment Division v. Smith (1990), where a unanimous Court held that religious beliefs do not justify violating or ignoring a just, proper, and Constitutional law.

The RFRA is in essence bad law – predicated on guilt and emotion concerning the reprehensible treatment of Native Americans rather than facts, logic, and reason.

The RFRA needs to be repealed, and with it the ridiculous notion that religious beliefs should trump the rule of law – religious beliefs that often only foment bigotry, racism, and hate.

 

[Vandalshandle]

Judge's Ruling Shows Religious Freedom Isn’t Just For The Christian Right

For Scott Warren, a 37-year-old geography teacher from Ajo, Arizona, freedom of religion means making sure migrants crossing a treacherous stretch of desert along the U.S.-Mexico border don’t die of dehydration.

What do you all think, does this fall under Religious Liberty?

I'm confused on how this is a religious freedom issue.

First:
You can't just "make up" that something is a matter of religious freedom randomly.

Especially as a Christian, which is an established 2,000 year old doctrine, you can determine pretty quickly if something is a matter of religious freedom or not. Where in the Bible does it say, or in what church doctrine, has any group written down that a Christian must find migrant in the desert, and help them avoid dehydration?

Where is that? It's nowhere. There is no such Bible verse anywhere.

Second:
What is even more ironic, the group this guy belongs to is Unitarian Universalist, which is basically the "church of nothing". It's like religion for Atheists.

How can a Church that has no creeds... and you go look up yourself that Unitarian Universalist push no creeds at all.... how can a "no creed" church, have "Go help migrants in the desert" be a matter of religious freedom?

They openly state they have no creeds, yet you have to do this, or it's a violation of their faith? Do you not see an issue here?

So on that level, this is ridiculous.

Third:
Even if you had a religion where going and helping migrants in the desert was a religious creed.... how can that even work? What happens to all the people that don't live near a desert? Are they kicked out of the religion? What happens if migration stops? Does the religious group this guy belongs to, disband?

So again, this is a little ridiculous.

But here is my real issue....

This guy is killing people. People are dying, because of this guy. I'm not even concerned about the fact these people are illegally entering, and the all that crap about helping someone who is violating the law. That debate might work with some, but truth is if a person came to my house in serious trouble, I would help them without a second thought. I would bring them into my house, and do whatever I could to help them.

That is not a problem.

The problem is, his actions are directly leading to people dying. This man is encouraging highly risky and dangerous behavior. If he wants to sponsor a migrant to come to the US, go for it. If he wants to support a shelter for people at the border, be my guest.

But to go out into the desert, and leave food and water.... that is going to encourage more people to make the trek out into the desert where they are going to die. They are going to see this story, and believe that it is safe to cross the desert, and the first guy that walks out there drinks the water, and eats the food, and the next 20 end up corpse in the desert sand.

This guy is killing people. That's my problem. If you give a crap about these people, he would be better spending his money sending pamphlets to Mexico warning of the dangers of trying to cross the desert on foot, rather than dropping a jar of water, patting himself on the back, and cause dozens of deaths.

This by the way, is the problem with all left-wing ideology. You pretend you are doing good for people, while causing everyone to suffer. Insert, Venezuela.

Andy, your compassion for the illegals dying in the desert, because some guy leaves them water, really moves me in your sincerity….

 

[The Irish Ram]

Matthew 25:35-40 New International Version (NIV)
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

And yet God, in His infinite wisdom told the Jews to build a wall! God, unlike our liberals, had no problem identifying the enemy...

 

[occupied]

Matthew 25:35-40 New International Version (NIV)
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

And yet God, in His infinite wisdom told the Jews to build a wall! God, unlike our liberals, had no problem identifying the enemy...

I was wondering if any of you were stupid enough to argue with the Word.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Matthew 25:35-40 New International Version (NIV)
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

And yet God, in His infinite wisdom told the Jews to build a wall! God, unlike our liberals, had no problem identifying the enemy...

And He told them not to eat shell fish, or wear clothing made of two types of material. Oh, and to stone people for adultery.

 

[Andylusion]

I'm confused on how this is a religious freedom issue.

First:
You can't just "make up" that something is a matter of religious freedom randomly.

Especially as a Christian, which is an established 2,000 year old doctrine, you can determine pretty quickly if something is a matter of religious freedom or not. Where in the Bible does it say, or in what church doctrine, has any group written down that a Christian must find migrant in the desert, and help them avoid dehydration?

Where is that? It's nowhere. There is no such Bible verse anywhere.

It is like none of you have ever read your own bible. I have only posted this passage 4 or 5 times now, how did you miss it?

34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers,[f] you did it to me.’

This person is living this passage, more than likely far better than you or I. You may not like what he is doing, but if you have even a tiny amount of integrity you cannot deny he is follow this.

Second:
What is even more ironic, the group this guy belongs to is Unitarian Universalist, which is basically the "church of nothing". It's like religion for Atheists.

How can a Church that has no creeds... and you go look up yourself that Unitarian Universalist push no creeds at all.... how can a "no creed" church, have "Go help migrants in the desert" be a matter of religious freedom?

They openly state they have no creeds, yet you have to do this, or it's a violation of their faith? Do you not see an issue here?

So on that level, this is ridiculous.

They have no creeds that the church forces people to follow, each of its members follows their own.

Third:

Even if you had a religion where going and helping migrants in the desert was a religious creed.... how can that even work? What happens to all the people that don't live near a desert? Are they kicked out of the religion? What happens if migration stops? Does the religious group this guy belongs to, disband?

So again, this is a little ridiculous.

They give food and water to other people, perhaps the homeless or someone else. My church in Yuma did an outreach where we handed out bottles of water to people that were working outside during the summer. It was very well received.

You really seem to have no understanding of the teachings of Jesus at all.

But here is my real issue....

This guy is killing people. People are dying, because of this guy. I'm not even concerned about the fact these people are illegally entering, and the all that crap about helping someone who is violating the law. That debate might work with some, but truth is if a person came to my house in serious trouble, I would help them without a second thought. I would bring them into my house, and do whatever I could to help them.

That is not a problem.

The problem is, his actions are directly leading to people dying. This man is encouraging highly risky and dangerous behavior. If he wants to sponsor a migrant to come to the US, go for it. If he wants to support a shelter for people at the border, be my guest.

But to go out into the desert, and leave food and water.... that is going to encourage more people to make the trek out into the desert where they are going to die. They are going to see this story, and believe that it is safe to cross the desert, and the first guy that walks out there drinks the water, and eats the food, and the next 20 end up corpse in the desert sand.

This guy is killing people. That's my problem. If you give a crap about these people, he would be better spending his money sending pamphlets to Mexico warning of the dangers of trying to cross the desert on foot, rather than dropping a jar of water, patting himself on the back, and cause dozens of deaths.

This by the way, is the problem with all left-wing ideology. You pretend you are doing good for people, while causing everyone to suffer. Insert, Venezuela.

What a load of fucking horse shit. Nobody is coming across the border because some stranger might have left some food and water for them. You are the second dumb fuck to push this lie, and the second one to have zero evidence to support it. You have no earthly clue what you are talking about.

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,

Quoting myself:

That debate might work with some, but truth is if a person came to my house in serious trouble, I would help them without a second thought. I would bring them into my house, and do whatever I could to help them.​

Again... "go help illegals in the desert" is not in the Bible. Helping people in general, most certainly is, and we Christians do this routinely. But there is no "go help illegals in the desert". Not there.

They have no creeds that the church forces people to follow, each of its members follows their own.

Which is my point. They have no creeds at all. So you can't say "This is my religious creed", because it isn't. The group you belong to, has no creeds.

So basically it's just you making up that you want to do something, and saying it is part of your religion.... because.... things.... and stuff.....

He's just making it up. So can we make up anything, and claim it's part of our religion? Can the alt-right, say it's part of their religion to protect the national border from an invasion, and go out there shooting illegals in the desert?

After all, they just have to join the Church of nothing, where each of its members follows their own creeds, and hey shooting illegals is part of their religious freedom now!

Do you not see the stupidity of this argument?

Let's even make this more believable. What if the alt-right, started forming search parties, driving out in the desert, capturing illegals they find, driving them either back to Mexico and dropping them off, or even just dropping them off at ICE?

"It's part of my religious freedom!" Can't say it isn't right? Because all they have to do is join the church of nothing, and whatever they want to do is now part of their religion. You are not against religious freedom are you?

They give food and water to other people, perhaps the homeless or someone else.
You really seem to have no understanding of the teachings of Jesus at all.

Unitarian Universalist do not teach Jesus. If they did, then Jesus taught that no one comes to the father, but by him. How can you believe that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, and that there are no creeds?

Either that church of nothing is wrong, and Jesus is right, or Jesus was full of it, and there are no creeds. These are mutually exclusive beliefs. So spare me this idea that I don't know what Jesus taught, while defending a cult that opposes what Jesus taught.

Moreover, as I said.... Christians all over the world do all those good things for people. There is no "must go help illegal migrants in the desert" in the Bible. Not a thing. You are just making it up.

What a load of fucking horse shit. Nobody is coming across the border because some stranger might have left some food and water for them. You are the second dumb fuck to push this lie, and the second one to have zero evidence to support it. You have no earthly clue what you are talking about.

I'm amused. You call out the teaching of Jesus, and then post something like this.

Ephesians 4:29

Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
​

Rather unwholesome to be swearing and cussing like that. If you are not a follower of Jesus, then you can say whatever you want. But if you are not, then you shouldn't be trying to lecture others on what Jesus taught.

I stand by what I said. It is true, and accurate.

If you don't think that people who cross the desert, and find that food and water, are not reporting back to people in Mexico, that there is food and water left in the desert for them.... then you really don't know what you are talking about. People that are here, are most certainly coordinating with those back in Mexico. It would be quite foolish to think otherwise.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

I was wondering if any of you were stupid enough to argue with the Word.

Most of us are not stupid enough to give any credence to an intellectually-dishonest anti-Christian bigot who blatantly tries to twist our scriptures to mean what they clearly do not, in order to promote a degenerate agenda that is not any any honest way supportable by scripture.

“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”

― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice​

 

[Andylusion]

Yes, they are ordinary people. But there are 20 million of them. How many is too many? How many citizens are you willing to screw to buy the votes of the illegals?

My daughter is 13. There is a very real chance that she won't be able to go to a top level college even though she is 4.0 GPA and a STEM prodigy because those slots are promised to less qualified illegal aliens.

What a load of bullshit. Top colleges do not have slots saved for illegal immigrants. Where do you people come up with this bullshit from?

More bullshit that you will never be able to support...but I am sure you will tell us it is forthcoming....

I don't think there are reserved spots specifically for "illegal" people. There are, however, reserved spots for minorities, and illegals are generally a minority.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/loca...gal-immigrants/2011/04/14/AFF8QSfD_story.html
FOXNews.com - Colleges push tuition aid for illegal immigrants - Local News | News Articles | National News | US News
A DREAM Come True - For Now

Fact is, illegals taking up slots in colleges and universities, is well documented. This necessarily means that legal qualified students are denied enrollment.

This isn't a debatable point. It is established fact.

 

[occupied]

I was wondering if any of you were stupid enough to argue with the Word.

Most of us are not stupid enough to give any credence to an intellectually-dishonest anti-Christian bigot who blatantly tries to twist our scriptures to mean what they clearly do not, in order to promote a degenerate agenda that is not any any honest way supportable by scripture.

“The devil can cite Scripture for his purpose.
An evil soul producing holy witness
Is like a villain with a smiling cheek,
A goodly apple rotten at the heart.
O, what a goodly outside falsehood hath!”

― William Shakespeare, The Merchant of Venice​

And Jesus said: Fuck them motherfuckers? Must be in the republican bible.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

And Jesus said: F••• them motherf•••ers? Must be in the republican bible.

No sane person is interested in your twisted, intellectually-dishonest claims about what Jesus said.

 

[Andylusion]

Judge's Ruling Shows Religious Freedom Isn’t Just For The Christian Right

For Scott Warren, a 37-year-old geography teacher from Ajo, Arizona, freedom of religion means making sure migrants crossing a treacherous stretch of desert along the U.S.-Mexico border don’t die of dehydration.

What do you all think, does this fall under Religious Liberty?

I'm confused on how this is a religious freedom issue.

First:
You can't just "make up" that something is a matter of religious freedom randomly.

Especially as a Christian, which is an established 2,000 year old doctrine, you can determine pretty quickly if something is a matter of religious freedom or not. Where in the Bible does it say, or in what church doctrine, has any group written down that a Christian must find migrant in the desert, and help them avoid dehydration?

Where is that? It's nowhere. There is no such Bible verse anywhere.

Second:
What is even more ironic, the group this guy belongs to is Unitarian Universalist, which is basically the "church of nothing". It's like religion for Atheists.

How can a Church that has no creeds... and you go look up yourself that Unitarian Universalist push no creeds at all.... how can a "no creed" church, have "Go help migrants in the desert" be a matter of religious freedom?

They openly state they have no creeds, yet you have to do this, or it's a violation of their faith? Do you not see an issue here?

So on that level, this is ridiculous.

Third:
Even if you had a religion where going and helping migrants in the desert was a religious creed.... how can that even work? What happens to all the people that don't live near a desert? Are they kicked out of the religion? What happens if migration stops? Does the religious group this guy belongs to, disband?

So again, this is a little ridiculous.

But here is my real issue....

This guy is killing people. People are dying, because of this guy. I'm not even concerned about the fact these people are illegally entering, and the all that crap about helping someone who is violating the law. That debate might work with some, but truth is if a person came to my house in serious trouble, I would help them without a second thought. I would bring them into my house, and do whatever I could to help them.

That is not a problem.

The problem is, his actions are directly leading to people dying. This man is encouraging highly risky and dangerous behavior. If he wants to sponsor a migrant to come to the US, go for it. If he wants to support a shelter for people at the border, be my guest.

But to go out into the desert, and leave food and water.... that is going to encourage more people to make the trek out into the desert where they are going to die. They are going to see this story, and believe that it is safe to cross the desert, and the first guy that walks out there drinks the water, and eats the food, and the next 20 end up corpse in the desert sand.

This guy is killing people. That's my problem. If you give a crap about these people, he would be better spending his money sending pamphlets to Mexico warning of the dangers of trying to cross the desert on foot, rather than dropping a jar of water, patting himself on the back, and cause dozens of deaths.

This by the way, is the problem with all left-wing ideology. You pretend you are doing good for people, while causing everyone to suffer. Insert, Venezuela.

Andy, your compassion for the illegals dying in the desert, because some guy leaves them water, really moves me in your sincerity….

Well.... do you want more people dying, or less?

This is like California handing out free needles, which has resulted in mass increase in drug use and more illness and diseases.

The solution is to hinder and discourage risky behavior. Not encourage it.

The same is true in all areas of life. If you have an alcoholic or gambling brother-in-law, and he comes to you saying he blew this months rent....... Do you pay his rent? Or do you direct him to the nearest addiction center?

If you pay his rent, then he'll continue and get worse at his addition, until he destroys his life.

The solution is to direct him to the addition center. Let him face the consequences of his actions, and then he'll hopefully learn from his mistakes and choose not to do it.

And not only him, but other people seeing what happens to him will serve to teach them. If they see him drinking and partying, and you pay all his bills, other people will do the same.

If they see him getting kicked out of his apartment, and then end up in a addiction recovery center, they will learn that is a bad plan.

In all cases.... rewarding dangerous and risky behavior is a terrible terrible option that dooms more people to hurt and pain and suffering. And by the way, is the default ideological view of all left-wingers, and the result of their views is always pain and suffering for everyone.

There is an evangelical shelter operating, I believe in Texas right now, and they will help anyone that comes to the shelter, who is immigrating across the border. They do not at all, go find people in the desert, specifically for this reason. They don't want to encourage people to take an extremely dangerous trek through the desert. They want them to come across the border at a port of entry, and they will gladly serve food, give shelter, and provide family services, and even teach basic English classes to those who want it.

What you guys do.... kills people. Period.

What we do, helps people. End of story.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me,

Quoting myself:

That debate might work with some, but truth is if a person came to my house in serious trouble, I would help them without a second thought. I would bring them into my house, and do whatever I could to help them.​

Again... "go help illegals in the desert" is not in the Bible. Helping people in general, most certainly is, and we Christians do this routinely. But there is no "go help illegals in the desert". Not there.

That they view the verse differently than you do does not make them wrong and you right. You cannot honestly argue they are not following the passage.

Which is my point. They have no creeds at all. So you can't say "This is my religious creed", because it isn't. The group you belong to, has no creeds.

So basically it's just you making up that you want to do something, and saying it is part of your religion.... because.... things.... and stuff.....

The organization that is the UU has no specifics creeds, but the individual members of the organization do. And that is what matters.

He's just making it up. So can we make up anything, and claim it's part of our religion? Can the alt-right, say it's part of their religion to protect the national border from an invasion, and go out there shooting illegals in the desert?

can you find a passage from a religious text that tells you to do that?

Unitarian Universalist do not teach Jesus. If they did, then Jesus taught that no one comes to the father, but by him. How can you believe that Jesus is the only way to Heaven, and that there are no creeds?

Either that church of nothing is wrong, and Jesus is right, or Jesus was full of it, and there are no creeds. These are mutually exclusive beliefs. So spare me this idea that I don't know what Jesus taught, while defending a cult that opposes what Jesus taught.

Moreover, as I said.... Christians all over the world do all those good things for people. There is no "must go help illegal migrants in the desert" in the Bible. Not a thing. You are just making it up.

As I said above, the members of the UU have their creeds. There are Christian members of the UU. I have given you the passage, you choose to pretend it is not there. They are doing exactly what the passage told them to do.

I'm amused. You call out the teaching of Jesus, and then post something like this.

Ephesians 4:29

Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.
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Rather unwholesome to be swearing and cussing like that. If you are not a follower of Jesus, then you can say whatever you want. But if you are not, then you shouldn't be trying to lecture others on what Jesus taught.

Unwholesome talk is in the eye of the beholder. Words that are "profane" or such constantly change. The teachings of Jesus are there for everyone to see and study, not just those that claim to follow him.

I stand by what I said. It is true, and accurate.

If you don't think that people who cross the desert, and find that food and water, are not reporting back to people in Mexico, that there is food and water left in the desert for them.... then you really don't know what you are talking about. People that are here, are most certainly coordinating with those back in Mexico. It would be quite foolish to think otherwise.

You can stand by it all you like, what you cannot do is support it with anything but "because I said so". There is not one iota of evidence that people choose to cross our border because there might be some food and water left at a certain spot.

 

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Matthew 25:35-40 New International Version (NIV)
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

And yet God, in His infinite wisdom told the Jews to build a wall! God, unlike our liberals, had no problem identifying the enemy...

I was wondering if any of you were stupid enough to argue with the Word.

Not only do I not argue with the Word, I quote it:

Then I said to them, "You see the trouble we are in: Jerusalem lies in ruins, and its gates have been burned with fire. Come, let us rebuild the wall of Jerusalem, and we will no longer be in disgrace."

 

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And Jesus said: F••• them motherf•••ers? Must be in the republican bible.

No sane person is interested in your twisted, intellectually-dishonest claims about what Jesus said.

Do you remember the WWJD? fad? One of the few fads I ever approved of. What would Jesus do? Do you really think Jesus would let a migrant die of thirst when he had a jug of water in his hand? When I wonder what Jesus would think about something It's pretty simple to figure out. I pick the most virtuous, humble and kind action I can think of and then cover it all with grace and dignity. Then I tell myself it is still only the best version of goodness that an ordinary human can conceive.

 

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Matthew 25:35-40 New International Version (NIV)
35 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36 I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’

37 “Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38 When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39 When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’

40 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’

And yet God, in His infinite wisdom told the Jews to build a wall! God, unlike our liberals, had no problem identifying the enemy...

I was wondering if any of you were stupid enough to argue with the Word.

Not only do I not argue with the Word, I quote it:

Then I said to them, "You see the trouble we are in: Jerusalem lies in ruins, and its gates have been burned with fire. Come, let us rebuild the wall of Jerusalem, and we will no longer be in disgrace."

Typical. A right wing "Christian" running to the OLD testament for a justification to ignore Jesus. Remember Him? The guy that said don't be a selfish wrathful greedy asshole?