Ante up anti gunners...what will you allow for normal gun owners, what do you want?

[HereWeGoAgain]

Registration leads to confiscation.

Really? Where are all those cars and trucks confiscated over the past 100 years we've been registering those?

Police impound lots

I see, so a bunch of law-abiding folks registered their cars and had them seized?

You're getting hilariously stomped in this thread. At every turn.

Not by you.

You seem to be a straight man in a comedy duo.

you MIGHT want to reread the post I responded to

I'm trying to find a parallel analogy to your absurd situation where law-abiding gun owners have their guns seized.

I can't find one. Because it doesn't exist.

It's happened in many countries around the world.

 

[Auld Phart]

Show me some evidence that the average American gun owner uses their firearms to commit crimes.

Adam Lanza had no criminal record. Neither did the San Bernardino couple. Neither did the Orlando shooter.

Lanza killed his mother to get one of her guns, the san bernadino couple got theirs from a straw buyer

What was their criminal background.

Everyone is "law abiding" as you paint them....until they're not.

They are law abiding til they aren't.

Next time you walk down the street, try to figure out which people are honest, and which are criminals.

odds are, you'd be wrong 9 times out of 10

but what do you do about that 10th person, until they do something?

I care less about who criminals are than I do about what criminals with ready access to guns do.

ready access?

they go to gun stores, and buy one over the counter?

 

[GaryDog]

Certainly nothing wrong with that approach. But we're not doing that either.

We're not doing anything to address this problem because of the influence of those who won't abide any new efforts to control the acquisition and use of firearms.

Nothing else would be needed if we locked up criminals who use firearms for long sentences.
The statistics show it's a small percentage of the population that commit crimes over and over again.
Stop letting em out of prison and we'd see a dramatic drop in firearm related crime.

That only leaves about 18,000 suicides, 1,000 accidental gun deaths, etc. Still more than all of Europe combined. (You know, since we're back to "black lives don't matter" or "only thugs kill with guns").

But sure, it's just the bad guys. You gotta be delusional. We're a gun-crazy country that the rest of the world shakes its head at.

Show me some evidence that the average American gun owner uses their firearms to commit crimes.

Adam Lanza had no criminal record. Neither did the San Bernardino couple. Neither did the Orlando shooter.

You'll never stop all mass killings no matter what you do.
A large truck did a fine job not to long ago.
And the Orlando shooter was investigated by the feds for terrorist ties yet they did nothing. The San Bernardino couple were muslim terrorist and the wife was let into the country with no vetting.
How about we start complaining about our lax approach to the laws on the books?

Because running people over in a street is the same thing as ....running people over in a classroom? Come on, be honest about the issue AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT.

Trucks are designed to transport people and items. Guns are designed to kill. Get a grip.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Show me some evidence that the average American gun owner uses their firearms to commit crimes.

Adam Lanza had no criminal record. Neither did the San Bernardino couple. Neither did the Orlando shooter.

Lanza killed his mother to get one of her guns, the san bernadino couple got theirs from a straw buyer

What was their criminal background.

Everyone is "law abiding" as you paint them....until they're not.

They are law abiding til they aren't.

Next time you walk down the street, try to figure out which people are honest, and which are criminals.

odds are, you'd be wrong 9 times out of 10

but what do you do about that 10th person, until they do something?

I care less about who criminals are than I do about what criminals with ready access to guns do.

They wouldnt have ready access if they were in prison.
As i already said,the majority who commit firearm crimes are repeat offenders.

 

[GaryDog]

Adam Lanza had no criminal record. Neither did the San Bernardino couple. Neither did the Orlando shooter.

Lanza killed his mother to get one of her guns, the san bernadino couple got theirs from a straw buyer

What was their criminal background.

Everyone is "law abiding" as you paint them....until they're not.

They are law abiding til they aren't.

Next time you walk down the street, try to figure out which people are honest, and which are criminals.

odds are, you'd be wrong 9 times out of 10

but what do you do about that 10th person, until they do something?

I care less about who criminals are than I do about what criminals with ready access to guns do.

ready access?

they go to gun stores, and buy one over the counter?

Absolutely. In Indiana, they're hot items for transport into Chicago due to the lax gun laws in Indiana.

 

[2aguy]

1) Background check for every acquisition.

2) Registration of every firearm.

3) Serious penalty for possession of a firearm not registered to the bearer.

Basically, regulate every firearm as we already regulate machine guns. We have millions of those in private hands and none of them are used irresponsibly.

I am curious.......I support current background checks because they make people like you happy....but.....how does any of it stop crime or mass shootings?

Haynes v. UNited States ruled that criminals do not have to register illegal guns.....

So only normal people will have to register their guns...people who are not using guns for any crime....

And if a law abiding citizen..who has committed no other crime...or any crime with a gun...you want to punish them over a clerical error...that's what you want?

 

[Al Azar]

The problem with guns here, is the culture behind it. I was listening to an interview with a Norwegian on their gun culture.

Like Americans, many Norwegians own guns. But according to Seierstad, the culture of gun ownership is very different in the two countries. In Norway, for example, it's uncommon to see guns outside organized settings like gun clubs or during hunting season.


“Yes, there’s a high percentage of gun ownership in Norway," she says, "but those guns are used mainly one week in the year during the hunting of elk season ... the rest of the year it’s locked down and stored.”


Even US and Norwegian law enforcement have different approaches to firearms.


“The police has not been armed in Norway,” Seierstad says. “People in the US could say, ‘Well, isn’t that scary?’ Well when the police is not armed, the drug dealer is not armed, the criminals are not armed, because no one is armed.”

After Orlando, Americans and US lawmakers are arguing over whether to strengthen (or even weaken) gun regulations. But after the attacks in Oslo and Utoya, Norwegian law didn't change.


The Norwegian government did set up a committee that proposed tighter gun laws — including mandatory medical background checks, regular checks on weapon owners and better lists accounting for guns with lead ammunition — but none of these proposals went into effect.


Why? The reason was pretty simple.

“We had quite restrictive laws,” Seierstad explains. "We have very very few gun accidents and gun murders.”​

You don't see testosterone impaired idiots walking around like this:

In my mind common sense gun control would look at changing the culture as much as changing any laws. I'd have no problem with some sort of education course in safe use, legal issues etc before you can purchase gun. I'd also have no problem with having certain types of weapons banned, and the purchase of large amounts of weapons and ammunition causing a red flag to be raised. Universal background checks.

Our gun culture isn't a problem...we have 357,000,000 guns in private hands.......and in 2015 we had 586 accidental gun deaths.

We had 8,124 gun murders. Out of 357,000,000 privately held guns........do you realize how small a number that is in a country with 320,000,000 people? And 90% of those doing the shooting cannot legally buy, own or carry the guns....

Normal gun owners are not the problem....

Think about that.

Americans use guns 1,500,000 times a year to stop violent criminal attack and to save lives...many times stopping mass shooters...........

The actual problem that we have is inner city criminals who have been raised for generations by single teenage mothers...creating young males with impulse control problems.......that is the problem....not gun owners or American gun culture.

Normal gun owners are not the problem and are unaffected by background checks and registration.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Nothing else would be needed if we locked up criminals who use firearms for long sentences.
The statistics show it's a small percentage of the population that commit crimes over and over again.
Stop letting em out of prison and we'd see a dramatic drop in firearm related crime.

That only leaves about 18,000 suicides, 1,000 accidental gun deaths, etc. Still more than all of Europe combined. (You know, since we're back to "black lives don't matter" or "only thugs kill with guns").

But sure, it's just the bad guys. You gotta be delusional. We're a gun-crazy country that the rest of the world shakes its head at.

Show me some evidence that the average American gun owner uses their firearms to commit crimes.

Adam Lanza had no criminal record. Neither did the San Bernardino couple. Neither did the Orlando shooter.

You'll never stop all mass killings no matter what you do.
A large truck did a fine job not to long ago.
And the Orlando shooter was investigated by the feds for terrorist ties yet they did nothing. The San Bernardino couple were muslim terrorist and the wife was let into the country with no vetting.
How about we start complaining about our lax approach to the laws on the books?

Because running people over in a street is the same thing as ....running people over in a classroom? Come on, be honest about the issue AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT.

Trucks are designed to transport people and items. Guns are designed to kill. Get a grip.

So you're in favor of banning trucks on our public streets?

 

[GaryDog]

Really? Where are all those cars and trucks confiscated over the past 100 years we've been registering those?

Police impound lots

I see, so a bunch of law-abiding folks registered their cars and had them seized?

You're getting hilariously stomped in this thread. At every turn.

Not by you.

You seem to be a straight man in a comedy duo.

you MIGHT want to reread the post I responded to

I'm trying to find a parallel analogy to your absurd situation where law-abiding gun owners have their guns seized.

I can't find one. Because it doesn't exist.

It's happened in many countries around the world.

As a consequence of registration in the absence of any stated law requiring confiscation?

In modern times, in a first-world country?

Please cite.

 

[GaryDog]

That only leaves about 18,000 suicides, 1,000 accidental gun deaths, etc. Still more than all of Europe combined. (You know, since we're back to "black lives don't matter" or "only thugs kill with guns").

But sure, it's just the bad guys. You gotta be delusional. We're a gun-crazy country that the rest of the world shakes its head at.

Show me some evidence that the average American gun owner uses their firearms to commit crimes.

Adam Lanza had no criminal record. Neither did the San Bernardino couple. Neither did the Orlando shooter.

You'll never stop all mass killings no matter what you do.
A large truck did a fine job not to long ago.
And the Orlando shooter was investigated by the feds for terrorist ties yet they did nothing. The San Bernardino couple were muslim terrorist and the wife was let into the country with no vetting.
How about we start complaining about our lax approach to the laws on the books?

Because running people over in a street is the same thing as ....running people over in a classroom? Come on, be honest about the issue AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT.

Trucks are designed to transport people and items. Guns are designed to kill. Get a grip.

So you're in favor of banning trucks on our public streets?

No. There is a societal purpose to having trucks on streets.

 

[Auld Phart]

Lanza killed his mother to get one of her guns, the san bernadino couple got theirs from a straw buyer

What was their criminal background.

Everyone is "law abiding" as you paint them....until they're not.

They are law abiding til they aren't.

Next time you walk down the street, try to figure out which people are honest, and which are criminals.

odds are, you'd be wrong 9 times out of 10

but what do you do about that 10th person, until they do something?

I care less about who criminals are than I do about what criminals with ready access to guns do.

ready access?

they go to gun stores, and buy one over the counter?

Absolutely. In Indiana, they're hot items for transport into Chicago due to the lax gun laws in Indiana.

They don't follow Federal Law concerning background checks at gun stores in Indiana?

 

[GaryDog]

What was their criminal background.

Everyone is "law abiding" as you paint them....until they're not.

They are law abiding til they aren't.

Next time you walk down the street, try to figure out which people are honest, and which are criminals.

odds are, you'd be wrong 9 times out of 10

but what do you do about that 10th person, until they do something?

I care less about who criminals are than I do about what criminals with ready access to guns do.

ready access?

they go to gun stores, and buy one over the counter?

Absolutely. In Indiana, they're hot items for transport into Chicago due to the lax gun laws in Indiana.

They don't follow Federal Law concerning background checks at gun stores in Indiana?

You're not very bright are you?

Lax gun laws in Indiana fuel gun violence in Chicago

Indiana’s gun laws are relatively simple. Federally licensed “brick and mortar” gun dealers are required to perform standard background checks, while vendors selling their “private collections” at gun shows are not. An Indiana resident could walk out of the Crown Point gun show with a legally purchased assault rifle that same day — without a background check — less than an hour from Chicago, where assault rifles are banned. Handguns are subject to different regulations in Indiana.

 

[2aguy]

Lanza killed his mother to get one of her guns, the san bernadino couple got theirs from a straw buyer

What was their criminal background.

Everyone is "law abiding" as you paint them....until they're not.

They are law abiding til they aren't.

Next time you walk down the street, try to figure out which people are honest, and which are criminals.

odds are, you'd be wrong 9 times out of 10

but what do you do about that 10th person, until they do something?

I care less about who criminals are than I do about what criminals with ready access to guns do.

ready access?

they go to gun stores, and buy one over the counter?

Absolutely. In Indiana, they're hot items for transport into Chicago due to the lax gun laws in Indiana.

And that is an anti gun myth.....

Chicago has 3 million people.

New York has 8 million people.

Both cities have the exact same strict gun control laws.

Chicago has higher gun murder number than New York......and New York is next to Vermont....and Vermont has less restrictive gun laws than Indiana...

So your point makes no sense...but you repeated it nicely from whatever anti gunner you got it from.....

 

[Auld Phart]

Nothing else would be needed if we locked up criminals who use firearms for long sentences.
The statistics show it's a small percentage of the population that commit crimes over and over again.
Stop letting em out of prison and we'd see a dramatic drop in firearm related crime.

That only leaves about 18,000 suicides, 1,000 accidental gun deaths, etc. Still more than all of Europe combined. (You know, since we're back to "black lives don't matter" or "only thugs kill with guns").

But sure, it's just the bad guys. You gotta be delusional. We're a gun-crazy country that the rest of the world shakes its head at.

Show me some evidence that the average American gun owner uses their firearms to commit crimes.

Adam Lanza had no criminal record. Neither did the San Bernardino couple. Neither did the Orlando shooter.

You'll never stop all mass killings no matter what you do.
A large truck did a fine job not to long ago.
And the Orlando shooter was investigated by the feds for terrorist ties yet they did nothing. The San Bernardino couple were muslim terrorist and the wife was let into the country with no vetting.
How about we start complaining about our lax approach to the laws on the books?

Because running people over in a street is the same thing as ....running people over in a classroom? Come on, be honest about the issue AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT.

Trucks are designed to transport people and items. Guns are designed to kill. Get a grip.

I've owned guns for over 50 years, my 2 brothers about the same.

My son in laws 25 or more each.

and yet not one of us have ever killed a human being.

 

[Al Azar]

1) Background check for every acquisition.

2) Registration of every firearm.

3) Serious penalty for possession of a firearm not registered to the bearer.

Basically, regulate every firearm as we already regulate machine guns. We have millions of those in private hands and none of them are used irresponsibly.

I am curious.......I support current background checks because they make people like you happy....but.....how does any of it stop crime or mass shootings?

Haynes v. UNited States ruled that criminals do not have to register illegal guns.....

So only normal people will have to register their guns...people who are not using guns for any crime....

And if a law abiding citizen..who has committed no other crime...or any crime with a gun...you want to punish them over a clerical error...that's what you want?

Any one of these steps is inadequate. All three get the job done.

Again, reference the effectiveness of our existing machine gun laws.

 

[2aguy]

The problem with guns here, is the culture behind it. I was listening to an interview with a Norwegian on their gun culture.

Like Americans, many Norwegians own guns. But according to Seierstad, the culture of gun ownership is very different in the two countries. In Norway, for example, it's uncommon to see guns outside organized settings like gun clubs or during hunting season.


“Yes, there’s a high percentage of gun ownership in Norway," she says, "but those guns are used mainly one week in the year during the hunting of elk season ... the rest of the year it’s locked down and stored.”


Even US and Norwegian law enforcement have different approaches to firearms.


“The police has not been armed in Norway,” Seierstad says. “People in the US could say, ‘Well, isn’t that scary?’ Well when the police is not armed, the drug dealer is not armed, the criminals are not armed, because no one is armed.”

After Orlando, Americans and US lawmakers are arguing over whether to strengthen (or even weaken) gun regulations. But after the attacks in Oslo and Utoya, Norwegian law didn't change.


The Norwegian government did set up a committee that proposed tighter gun laws — including mandatory medical background checks, regular checks on weapon owners and better lists accounting for guns with lead ammunition — but none of these proposals went into effect.


Why? The reason was pretty simple.

“We had quite restrictive laws,” Seierstad explains. "We have very very few gun accidents and gun murders.”​

You don't see testosterone impaired idiots walking around like this:

In my mind common sense gun control would look at changing the culture as much as changing any laws. I'd have no problem with some sort of education course in safe use, legal issues etc before you can purchase gun. I'd also have no problem with having certain types of weapons banned, and the purchase of large amounts of weapons and ammunition causing a red flag to be raised. Universal background checks.

Since online a gun and voting are both basic civil rights.....would you agree to a tax on voting and a test before you can vote?

 

[GaryDog]

What was their criminal background.

Everyone is "law abiding" as you paint them....until they're not.

They are law abiding til they aren't.

Next time you walk down the street, try to figure out which people are honest, and which are criminals.

odds are, you'd be wrong 9 times out of 10

but what do you do about that 10th person, until they do something?

I care less about who criminals are than I do about what criminals with ready access to guns do.

ready access?

they go to gun stores, and buy one over the counter?

Absolutely. In Indiana, they're hot items for transport into Chicago due to the lax gun laws in Indiana.

And that is an anti gun myth.....

Chicago has 3 million people.

New York has 8 million people.

Both cities have the exact same strict gun control laws.

Chicago has higher gun murder number than New York......and New York is next to Vermont....and Vermont has less restrictive gun laws than Indiana...

So your point makes no sense...but you repeated it nicely from whatever anti gunner you got it from.....

Holy shit, did you fail geography????

Vermont is a solid 300 miles away from NYC!

 

[2aguy]

1) Background check for every acquisition.

2) Registration of every firearm.

3) Serious penalty for possession of a firearm not registered to the bearer.

Basically, regulate every firearm as we already regulate machine guns. We have millions of those in private hands and none of them are used irresponsibly.

I am curious.......I support current background checks because they make people like you happy....but.....how does any of it stop crime or mass shootings?

Haynes v. UNited States ruled that criminals do not have to register illegal guns.....

So only normal people will have to register their guns...people who are not using guns for any crime....

And if a law abiding citizen..who has committed no other crime...or any crime with a gun...you want to punish them over a clerical error...that's what you want?

Any one of these steps is inadequate. All three get the job done.

Again, reference the effectiveness of our existing machine gun laws.

Criminals don't need machine guns so they don't get machine guns.........they can kill with pistols...which is hat they use..........

Your point is wrong.

 

[Auld Phart]

They are law abiding til they aren't.

Next time you walk down the street, try to figure out which people are honest, and which are criminals.

odds are, you'd be wrong 9 times out of 10

but what do you do about that 10th person, until they do something?

I care less about who criminals are than I do about what criminals with ready access to guns do.

ready access?

they go to gun stores, and buy one over the counter?

Absolutely. In Indiana, they're hot items for transport into Chicago due to the lax gun laws in Indiana.

They don't follow Federal Law concerning background checks at gun stores in Indiana?

You're not very bright are you?

Lax gun laws in Indiana fuel gun violence in Chicago

Indiana’s gun laws are relatively simple. Federally licensed “brick and mortar” gun dealers are required to perform standard background checks, while vendors selling their “private collections” at gun shows are not. An Indiana resident could walk out of the Crown Point gun show with a legally purchased assault rifle that same day — without a background check — less than an hour from Chicago, where assault rifles are banned. Handguns are subject to different regulations in Indiana.

Now you're bringing up gun shows, and sales by private owners, not gun store owners.

are you into BDSM?

You certainly enjoy getting spanked

 

[GaryDog]

The problem with guns here, is the culture behind it. I was listening to an interview with a Norwegian on their gun culture.

Like Americans, many Norwegians own guns. But according to Seierstad, the culture of gun ownership is very different in the two countries. In Norway, for example, it's uncommon to see guns outside organized settings like gun clubs or during hunting season.


“Yes, there’s a high percentage of gun ownership in Norway," she says, "but those guns are used mainly one week in the year during the hunting of elk season ... the rest of the year it’s locked down and stored.”


Even US and Norwegian law enforcement have different approaches to firearms.


“The police has not been armed in Norway,” Seierstad says. “People in the US could say, ‘Well, isn’t that scary?’ Well when the police is not armed, the drug dealer is not armed, the criminals are not armed, because no one is armed.”

After Orlando, Americans and US lawmakers are arguing over whether to strengthen (or even weaken) gun regulations. But after the attacks in Oslo and Utoya, Norwegian law didn't change.


The Norwegian government did set up a committee that proposed tighter gun laws — including mandatory medical background checks, regular checks on weapon owners and better lists accounting for guns with lead ammunition — but none of these proposals went into effect.


Why? The reason was pretty simple.

“We had quite restrictive laws,” Seierstad explains. "We have very very few gun accidents and gun murders.”​

You don't see testosterone impaired idiots walking around like this:

In my mind common sense gun control would look at changing the culture as much as changing any laws. I'd have no problem with some sort of education course in safe use, legal issues etc before you can purchase gun. I'd also have no problem with having certain types of weapons banned, and the purchase of large amounts of weapons and ammunition causing a red flag to be raised. Universal background checks.

Since online a gun and voting are both basic civil rights.....would you agree to a tax on voting and a test before you can vote?

Are you unaware of how the constitution and judicial review works?