Antifa Communism Rejected in Spain

[Lucy Hamilton]

Well, if Churchill, and FDR aren't any better than Franco, why do so many people in the West support them?

You misunderstand me.

I think that Churchill and FDR were much better than Franco

What about Truman? He only dropped Atomic Bombs murdering innocent people to show the Soviet's America had the Atomic Bomb.

And to win the war without a costly invasion of Japan...

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

So what nationality are you we have an Englishman or Welshman, Serb I believe, you, I who could have been a dual citizen UK and us if I'd been born any other time. Good stuff!

I'm Austrian, I have many friends who are English and also American, I like the English and Americans I don't like though how some English and Americans cannot say that their nations in history and also today have been killing people dropping bombs on them and also in the past slaughtering them the English with Indians and the Boers for example, America with Native Americans and invading nations in the Middle East example Iraq there was no reason for that invasion, also the situation in Libya.

My sig picture is for Sebastian Kurz, all in my family are supporting him we have our election on October 15th and he leads in all polling, if he wins he will be our youngest leader in history at the age of 31 years of age and also become the youngest leader in the world today.

You can read about him.

Sebastian Kurz - Wikipedia

 

[francoHFW]

Totalitarians from both ends of the political Spectrum are like that... Nazis and communists in other words.

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Wrong. Socialism is always democratic. Hitler did have full employment and assistance for the unfortunate, but it was all a war economy they would have totally fallen apart they needed to invade other countries to keep it going. Fascism.

War is always good for business and the economy, it was good for America also bringing America completely out of The Great Depression, the Second War made America wealthy, perhaps that's why America loves war so much Perpetual War keeps America's economy floating.

It's the GOP that really Loves War. They are owned by the military industrial complex as well as by greedy rich people... Democrats not so much...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Wrong. Socialism is always democratic. Hitler did have full employment and assistance for the unfortunate, but it was all a war economy they would have totally fallen apart they needed to invade other countries to keep it going. Fascism.

War is always good for business and the economy, it was good for America also bringing America completely out of The Great Depression, the Second War made America wealthy, perhaps that's why America loves war so much Perpetual War keeps America's economy floating.

It's the GOP that really Loves War. They are owned by the military industrial complex as well as by greedy rich people... Democrats not so much...

Which party got us involved in WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, and Kosovo.

Hint it isn't the GOP.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

"Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see."

Tell that to Venezuela.

Shove your Pavlov dog right-wing talking points up your ass. Venezuela is a third-world oil economy mess but it's still a democracy and manythe majority still love their social socialist government. When you think socialism think the EU France Germany UK Canada Japan Australia and New Zealand and yes the United States even though the u.s. is a Pander to the rich GOP mess, dupe.

"Venezuela is a third-world oil economy mess but it's still a democracy and manythe majority still love their social socialist government."

Tell that to the Venezuela opposition parties and especially after Maduro's Constituent Assembly election which has made him Dictator.

In a Democracy you do not have a Dictator. Democracy 101.

He is not a dictator yet and you get only right-wing GOP propaganda about the situation. The right-wing in Venezuela is totally corrupt oligarchy, 60% of the country still support the Socialists. Venezuelan socialism is much like Obamacare, non-stop sabotaged by the right wing... LOL

60% of Venezuela still supports Maduro even though they have no medicines and hospital care, minimal foods and infamously no toilet paper yet 60% support this?

It isn't easy to get through this right-wing sabotage probably... But they remember the oligarchy Banana Republic they had before.

That was Hugo Chavez, he was first before Nicolas Maduro, before Chavez I don't know a lot what was happening in Venezuela, I think they had toilet paper though.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Wrong. Socialism is always democratic. Hitler did have full employment and assistance for the unfortunate, but it was all a war economy they would have totally fallen apart they needed to invade other countries to keep it going. Fascism.

War is always good for business and the economy, it was good for America also bringing America completely out of The Great Depression, the Second War made America wealthy, perhaps that's why America loves war so much Perpetual War keeps America's economy floating.

It's the GOP that really Loves War. They are owned by the military industrial complex as well as by greedy rich people... Democrats not so much...

Which party got us involved in WW1, WW2, Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, and Kosovo.

Hint it isn't the GOP.

This is a good point all wars that America have been involved in have been with Democrat Presidents, the exception is Iraq War I and Iraq War II which were the Bush father and son.

The large wars of the First War, the Second War, Korea and Vietnam were Democrats, although I think perhaps JFK would not have had war with Vietnam but then he was murdered and so they had war with Vietnam.

 

[francoHFW]

You misunderstand me.

I think that Churchill and FDR were much better than Franco

What about Truman? He only dropped Atomic Bombs murdering innocent people to show the Soviet's America had the Atomic Bomb.

And to win the war without a costly invasion of Japan...

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

So what nationality are you we have an Englishman or Welshman, Serb I believe, you, I who could have been a dual citizen UK and us if I'd been born any other time. Good stuff!

I'm Austrian, I have many friends who are English and also American, I like the English and Americans I don't like though how some English and Americans cannot say that their nations in history and also today have been killing people dropping bombs on them and also in the past slaughtering them the English with Indians and the Boers for example, America with Native Americans and invading nations in the Middle East example Iraq there was no reason for that invasion, also the situation in Libya.

My sig picture is for Sebastian Kurz, all in my family are supporting him we have our election on October 15th and he leads in all polling, if he wins he will be our youngest leader in history at the age of 31 years of age and also become the youngest leader in the world today.

You can read about him.

Sebastian Kurz - Wikipedia

Well colonialism was awful no matter who was doing it... Most of the natives actually died from disease like 90% of American Indians etc etc. Iraq Was a GOP stupid idiotic War worst ever. Kadafi was an a****** who was about to Massacre the people for democracy, and in a way the US just went along with France and Italy. Libya is a militia mess now but they actually seem to like it that way. GOP voters here still believe that Isis controls Libya which is ridiculous brainwashed fools. Australia is a wonderful country which I would like to visit I knew a girl from there from Vienna very nice!

 

[francoHFW]

Totalitarians from both ends of the political Spectrum are like that... Nazis and communists in other words.

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Wrong. Socialism is always democratic. Hitler did have full employment and assistance for the unfortunate, but it was all a war economy they would have totally fallen apart they needed to invade other countries to keep it going. Fascism.

You're thinking of Social Democracy....

Every time you attack Hitler's economy, you're attacking Socialism.,,,

Socialism is social democracy. It's just what they have to call it to not scare American Republicans LOL...

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

What about Truman? He only dropped Atomic Bombs murdering innocent people to show the Soviet's America had the Atomic Bomb.

And to win the war without a costly invasion of Japan...

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

So what nationality are you we have an Englishman or Welshman, Serb I believe, you, I who could have been a dual citizen UK and us if I'd been born any other time. Good stuff!

I'm Austrian, I have many friends who are English and also American, I like the English and Americans I don't like though how some English and Americans cannot say that their nations in history and also today have been killing people dropping bombs on them and also in the past slaughtering them the English with Indians and the Boers for example, America with Native Americans and invading nations in the Middle East example Iraq there was no reason for that invasion, also the situation in Libya.

My sig picture is for Sebastian Kurz, all in my family are supporting him we have our election on October 15th and he leads in all polling, if he wins he will be our youngest leader in history at the age of 31 years of age and also become the youngest leader in the world today.

You can read about him.

Sebastian Kurz - Wikipedia

Well colonialism was awful no matter who was doing it... Most of the natives actually died from disease like 90% of American Indians etc etc. Iraq Was a GOP stupid idiotic War worst ever. Kadafi was an a****** who was about to Massacre the people for democracy, and in a way the US just went along with France and Italy. Libya is a militia mess now but they actually seem to like it that way. GOP voters here still believe that Isis controls Libya which is ridiculous brainwashed fools. Australia is a wonderful country which I would like to visit I knew a girl from there from Vienna very nice!

I think we can agree on some things with this.

We have no kangeroos

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Wrong. Socialism is always democratic. Hitler did have full employment and assistance for the unfortunate, but it was all a war economy they would have totally fallen apart they needed to invade other countries to keep it going. Fascism.

You're thinking of Social Democracy....

Every time you attack Hitler's economy, you're attacking Socialism.,,,

Socialism is social democracy. It's just what they have to call it to not scare American Republicans LOL...

Social Democracy is actually fairly Capitalist, even in comparison to Fascism.

 

[francoHFW]

And to win the war without a costly invasion of Japan...

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

Well I am told the opposite perhaps it is where people were during the time and what they were doing, all the people my family have known who were in Spain from the late 1930s up until the mid 1960s were either in the Diplomatic profession or were Independently wealthy.

So I think if people had to work for a living things could have been different is all I can think.

Spain's economy was totally wrecked by the Civil War and never really recovered until Eisenhower open the country for tourism in 1958 or so..

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

Well I am told the opposite perhaps it is where people were during the time and what they were doing, all the people my family have known who were in Spain from the late 1930s up until the mid 1960s were either in the Diplomatic profession or were Independently wealthy.

So I think if people had to work for a living things could have been different is all I can think.

Spain's economy was totally wrecked by the Civil War and never really recovered until Eisenhower open the country for tourism in 1958 or so..

Yeah well so were a lot of other countries following WW2, many even got Marshall Plan funding.

 

[francoHFW]

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Wrong. Socialism is always democratic. Hitler did have full employment and assistance for the unfortunate, but it was all a war economy they would have totally fallen apart they needed to invade other countries to keep it going. Fascism.

You're thinking of Social Democracy....

Every time you attack Hitler's economy, you're attacking Socialism.,,,

Socialism is social democracy. It's just what they have to call it to not scare American Republicans LOL...

Social Democracy is actually fairly Capitalist, even in comparison to Fascism.

Socialism is always Democratic is just well regulated capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now"-Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Wrong. Socialism is always democratic. Hitler did have full employment and assistance for the unfortunate, but it was all a war economy they would have totally fallen apart they needed to invade other countries to keep it going. Fascism.

You're thinking of Social Democracy....

Every time you attack Hitler's economy, you're attacking Socialism.,,,

Socialism is social democracy. It's just what they have to call it to not scare American Republicans LOL...

Social Democracy is actually fairly Capitalist, even in comparison to Fascism.

Socialism is always Democratic is just well regulated capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now"-Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed...

Means of production is what constitutes Socialism, Fascism regulated the economy through Cartels, and Councils, Social Democracy does not.

 

[francoHFW]

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

Well I am told the opposite perhaps it is where people were during the time and what they were doing, all the people my family have known who were in Spain from the late 1930s up until the mid 1960s were either in the Diplomatic profession or were Independently wealthy.

So I think if people had to work for a living things could have been different is all I can think.

Spain's economy was totally wrecked by the Civil War and never really recovered until Eisenhower open the country for tourism in 1958 or so..

Yeah well so were a lot of other countries following WW2, many even got Marshall Plan funding.

Very true, but Spain didn't get any Marshall Plan and how many times do I have to say it was a social Pariah until the late 50s.

 

[francoHFW]

Wrong. Socialism is always democratic. Hitler did have full employment and assistance for the unfortunate, but it was all a war economy they would have totally fallen apart they needed to invade other countries to keep it going. Fascism.

You're thinking of Social Democracy....

Every time you attack Hitler's economy, you're attacking Socialism.,,,

Socialism is social democracy. It's just what they have to call it to not scare American Republicans LOL...

Social Democracy is actually fairly Capitalist, even in comparison to Fascism.

Socialism is always Democratic is just well regulated capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now"-Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed...

Means of production is what constitutes Socialism, Fascism regulated the economy through Cartels, and Councils, Social Democracy does not.

Social democracy and socialism the same thing regulates the economy through legislation because they are NOT Fascist assholes. The economy under Hitler and those councils and cartels or whatever did anything that Hitler told them to do LOL

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

Well I am told the opposite perhaps it is where people were during the time and what they were doing, all the people my family have known who were in Spain from the late 1930s up until the mid 1960s were either in the Diplomatic profession or were Independently wealthy.

So I think if people had to work for a living things could have been different is all I can think.

Spain's economy was totally wrecked by the Civil War and never really recovered until Eisenhower open the country for tourism in 1958 or so..

Yeah well so were a lot of other countries following WW2, many even got Marshall Plan funding.

Very true, but Spain didn't get any Marshall Plan and how many times do I have to say it was a social Pariah until the late 50s.

So was Britain a social Pariah until the late 50's, like when up to a million were imprisoned in the Mau Mau Uprising of Kenya.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

You're thinking of Social Democracy....

Every time you attack Hitler's economy, you're attacking Socialism.,,,

Socialism is social democracy. It's just what they have to call it to not scare American Republicans LOL...

Social Democracy is actually fairly Capitalist, even in comparison to Fascism.

Socialism is always Democratic is just well regulated capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now"-Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed...

Means of production is what constitutes Socialism, Fascism regulated the economy through Cartels, and Councils, Social Democracy does not.

Social democracy and socialism the same thing regulates the economy through legislation because they are NOT Fascist assholes. The economy under Hitler and those councils and cartels or whatever did anything that Hitler told them to do LOL

Fascism clearly manages the economic businesses a lot, as opposed to Social Democracy which does not manage as much of the businesses.

 

[francoHFW]

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

How come Wikipedia says the Spanish Miracle ended in 1974, and is only surpassed by Japan for 20th century economic growth?

Because it came from nothing...

Extreme Socialism (Communism) sucks the most, look at North Korea vs South Korea.

The irony here is that you're probably more likely to support a Communist style regime, rather than a Franco style regime.

How come?

I am totally against totalitarianism whether right-wing or left-wing. Perhaps you're right because as you said Yugoslavia wasn't so bad!

 

[francoHFW]

Socialism is social democracy. It's just what they have to call it to not scare American Republicans LOL...

Social Democracy is actually fairly Capitalist, even in comparison to Fascism.

Socialism is always Democratic is just well regulated capitalism with a good safety net. "We are all socialists now"-Finland prime minister when ObamaCare passed...

Means of production is what constitutes Socialism, Fascism regulated the economy through Cartels, and Councils, Social Democracy does not.

Social democracy and socialism the same thing regulates the economy through legislation because they are NOT Fascist assholes. The economy under Hitler and those councils and cartels or whatever did anything that Hitler told them to do LOL

Fascism clearly manages the economic businesses a lot, as opposed to Social Democracy which does not manage as much of the businesses.

Fascism is the worst. Plus they're always attacking other countries...

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

Well I am told the opposite perhaps it is where people were during the time and what they were doing, all the people my family have known who were in Spain from the late 1930s up until the mid 1960s were either in the Diplomatic profession or were Independently wealthy.

So I think if people had to work for a living things could have been different is all I can think.

Spain's economy was totally wrecked by the Civil War and never really recovered until Eisenhower open the country for tourism in 1958 or so..

What do you mean Eisenhower opened Spain for tourism? You mean that until then America had sanctions on Spain?

I know that when the McCarthy situation was happening in the late 1940s and early 1950s Ava Gardner was going to be Blacklisted she was told of this I don't know who told her but she moved to Spain where her former husband Artie Shaw who also left America because he was going to be Blacklisted he was already living in Spain and for a while she lived near him.

I know this because members of my family and their friends got to know Ava Gardner during her time in Spain and also they already knew Artie Shaw when he lived in Spain, members of my family used to go to Spain for the Bullfighting, I also love Bullfighting, but Ava Gardner was a fan also of it and that's how they got to know her. Artie Shaw after some years moved back to America and she moved to London where she later died.

So Franco's Spain let these two Leftist Americans live in peace and they loved Spain also strange that two Leftist Americans had to flee the Democratic Republic of America and they chose themselves of all nations they could go to they chose Franco's Spain.