Antifa Communism Rejected in Spain

[Lucy Hamilton]

Most of those were military men captured, and put into those camps.

This is a "fact" that you've pulled out of your ass, because you didn't have anything else.

Not, that I support that.

Glad to hear it.

I never said I truly support Franco.

What I'm defending is mostly Franco's economy in the Spanish Miracle.

I'm defending the right to support Franco how wrong he may have been, so long as people can support FDR, or Churchill.

No, the moral equivalency still fails.

Chris Kyle killed more than 3 times as many people as the most prolific serial killer in American history. Do you think that makes him 3 times as evil?

Well, if Churchill, and FDR aren't any better than Franco, why do so many people in the West support them?

You misunderstand me.

I think that Churchill and FDR were much better than Franco

What about Truman? He only dropped Atomic Bombs murdering innocent people to show the Soviet's America had the Atomic Bomb.

And to win the war without a costly invasion of Japan...

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Worse in what sense?

In the context of World War II, FDR and Churchill killed their enemies. Franco killed his own citizens.

There is no moral equivalency there.

So killing ones own citizens is an abomination.

Well you better go tell that to those who support Abraham Lincoln.

If a geographical section of the country rebels militarily, then that's a war.

Franco sent a little less than half a million of his own citizens to camps or their deaths, in peacetime.

Your moral equivalency fails on numerous levels.

Most of those were military men captured, and put into those camps.
Not, that I support that.

I never said I truly support Franco.

What I'm defending is mostly Franco's economy in the Spanish Miracle.

I'm defending the right to support Franco how wrong he may have been, so long as people can support FDR, or Churchill.

Democracy is always better than fascism... Franco finally allowed tourism in the 60s but Spain's economy really grew only after he died. Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!! That's Saturday Night Live 1976 by the way...

Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

 

[francoHFW]

If a geographical section of the country rebels militarily, then that's a war.

Franco sent a little less than half a million of his own citizens to camps or their deaths, in peacetime.

Your moral equivalency fails on numerous levels.

No shit.


Stalin was a shitfuck. Amongst the worst people who have ever lived.

How is that relevant to the post you responded to?

Because you keep saying that Franco killed his own citizens, not because they disagreed with him though he saw them as a threat to Spain because they were Communists.

Stalin had 7 million Ukranians starved to death because they were in the way, they were starved to death just to reduce the population number, they were not a threat to the existence of the Soviet Union.

So you keep mentioning Stalin to say that Franco was not as evil as Stalin was?

I agree with that.

But the fact that Stalin was "more evil" doesn't make Franco "good" by comparison.

I think it is about being anti-Communist more than anything else, so as I commented before if someone prevents their nation falling to Communism then you side with them on this issue.

Communism is a political ideology. It's a system of thought. There's nothing tangible about it, it only exists inside human minds.

How can you claim to support self-determination if you're ok with killing people due to the thoughts in their minds?

Well Fascism is also a political ideology, same as Communism.

Fascism is the right-wing capitalist opposite of Communism but they're both totalitarian.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Also, to put things in perspective:

During the bombing of Dresden, Allied bombers dropped a little less than 4,000 tons of explosives on the city.

In the 3 years before the bombing of Dresden, german bombers had dropped more than ten times as much on residential areas of England - including almost 20,000 tons just on the city of London.

To put things in perspective.

When London was bombed the Second War was in action and many of the places bombed not in London were strategic in a military way for the British including port areas etc.

When Dresden was bombed the war was reaching an end and there was nothing of military significance about Dresden, it was 100% a civilian target with all those being women, children, elderly peoples.

The nazis bombed my village in the war. An obscure pit village in North Wales with no military whatsoever. Fuck em. They brought Dresden on themselves.

We all know the only reason you are in this thread. Which is why this is the only response you get from me and it's to ignore your Trolling.

 

[Dr Grump]

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I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

I was there in '79. Spain, Portugal and Italy (especially southern Italy) were considered no more than third-world countries back then. Sure, the top end of third world.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

• Because of the allied Potsdam, and Yalta Conference Soviet takeover of Poland, gave that Jewish Communist Jakub Berman to imprison up to 500,000 Polish people for political crimes, many of these were Armia Krajowa Polish patriots who fought the Nazis vigorously.

The fact is the Communists took away the opposition in that exact manner.

Totalitarians from both ends of the political Spectrum are like that... Nazis and communists in other words.

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Hitler had all the actual "socialists" in the NSDAP murdered during the Night of the Long Knives.

• Because of the allied Potsdam, and Yalta Conference Soviet takeover of Poland, gave that Jewish Communist Jakub Berman to imprison up to 500,000 Polish people for political crimes, many of these were Armia Krajowa Polish patriots who fought the Nazis vigorously.

The fact is the Communists took away the opposition in that exact manner.

Totalitarians from both ends of the political Spectrum are like that... Nazis and communists in other words.

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Hitler had all the actual "socialists" in the NSDAP murdered during the Night of the Long Knives.

Goebbels himself had touted of Lenin.

Why wasn't Goebbels killed in the Night of the Long Knives?

But, that's besides the point.

Having Cartels, and Councils control the business economy indirectly through government, can ONLY be Socialism.

That's what they did.

 

[francoHFW]

So killing ones own citizens is an abomination.

Well you better go tell that to those who support Abraham Lincoln.

If a geographical section of the country rebels militarily, then that's a war.

Franco sent a little less than half a million of his own citizens to camps or their deaths, in peacetime.

Your moral equivalency fails on numerous levels.

Most of those were military men captured, and put into those camps.
Not, that I support that.

I never said I truly support Franco.

What I'm defending is mostly Franco's economy in the Spanish Miracle.

I'm defending the right to support Franco how wrong he may have been, so long as people can support FDR, or Churchill.

Democracy is always better than fascism... Franco finally allowed tourism in the 60s but Spain's economy really grew only after he died. Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!! That's Saturday Night Live 1976 by the way...

Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Well you wouldn't have wanted to go there before 1958 when Eisenhower basically opened it up to the West... But you're correct to a point. Bloody torremolinos and watney's red Barrel!! LOL

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Yes I did but he's been dead for decades.

I'm not taking an issue, I'm saying why all the excitement about someone who has been dead for decades? I do not exist in the past, I exist in today and tomorrow.

Dead and all 3 nazis have been rejected by their countries. Evil bastards.

This old fella fought the fascists in Spain and lived down the road from me in his later years. He was a local legend.
BBC - Gogledd Ddwyrain - Twm Sbaen

When is your Britain going to stop supporting in mass Cromwell, or Churchill who were also mass murdering tyrants?

Churchill was a great man but he was still a conservative warmonger. English conservatives are worse than any other western party except the GOP... Many of them are closet fascists, racist and colonists.

Oh my goodness, what a great man indeed.

-Churchill's 1919 memo continued: "The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effect on most of those affected."

- Churchill's 'racism' for his refusal to intervene.
He derided Gandhi as a "half-naked holy man" and once said: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
He was known to favour Islam over Hinduism.

- You are callous people who want to wreck Europe - you do not care about the future of Europe, you have only your own miserable interests in mind.
Addressing the London Polish government at a British Embassy meeting, October 1944

-
In 1937, he told the Palestine Royal Commission: "I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."

Churchill certainly believed in racial hierarchies and eugenics, says John Charmley, author of Churchill: The End of Glory. In Churchill's view, white protestant Christians were at the top, above white Catholics, while Indians were higher than Africans, he adds. "Churchill saw himself and Britain as being the winners in a social Darwinian hierarchy."

Yeah he was a nut but he saved the world.

Churchill was a life long racist, but that's okay because he was your kind of racist or whatever.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

So killing ones own citizens is an abomination.

Well you better go tell that to those who support Abraham Lincoln.

If a geographical section of the country rebels militarily, then that's a war.

Franco sent a little less than half a million of his own citizens to camps or their deaths, in peacetime.

Your moral equivalency fails on numerous levels.

Most of those were military men captured, and put into those camps.
Not, that I support that.

I never said I truly support Franco.

What I'm defending is mostly Franco's economy in the Spanish Miracle.

I'm defending the right to support Franco how wrong he may have been, so long as people can support FDR, or Churchill.

Democracy is always better than fascism... Franco finally allowed tourism in the 60s but Spain's economy really grew only after he died. Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!! That's Saturday Night Live 1976 by the way...

Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

 

[francoHFW]

Totalitarians from both ends of the political Spectrum are like that... Nazis and communists in other words.

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Hitler had all the actual "socialists" in the NSDAP murdered during the Night of the Long Knives.

Totalitarians from both ends of the political Spectrum are like that... Nazis and communists in other words.

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Hitler had all the actual "socialists" in the NSDAP murdered during the Night of the Long Knives.

Goebbels himself had touted of Lenin.

Why wasn't Goebbels killed in the Night of the Long Knives?

But, that's besides the point.

Having Cartels, and Councils control the business economy indirectly through government, can ONLY be Socialism.

That's what they did.

Socialism is always Democratic and regulated capitalism, as opposed to Communism where the state owns all the industry and businesses... Fascism and Nazism are still capitalist but you better not be Jewish or try to fight the state LOL

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Dead and all 3 nazis have been rejected by their countries. Evil bastards.

This old fella fought the fascists in Spain and lived down the road from me in his later years. He was a local legend.
BBC - Gogledd Ddwyrain - Twm Sbaen

When is your Britain going to stop supporting in mass Cromwell, or Churchill who were also mass murdering tyrants?

Churchill was a great man but he was still a conservative warmonger. English conservatives are worse than any other western party except the GOP... Many of them are closet fascists, racist and colonists.

Oh my goodness, what a great man indeed.

-Churchill's 1919 memo continued: "The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effect on most of those affected."

- Churchill's 'racism' for his refusal to intervene.
He derided Gandhi as a "half-naked holy man" and once said: "I hate Indians. They are a beastly people with a beastly religion."
He was known to favour Islam over Hinduism.

- You are callous people who want to wreck Europe - you do not care about the future of Europe, you have only your own miserable interests in mind.
Addressing the London Polish government at a British Embassy meeting, October 1944

-
In 1937, he told the Palestine Royal Commission: "I do not admit for instance, that a great wrong has been done to the Red Indians of America or the black people of Australia. I do not admit that a wrong has been done to these people by the fact that a stronger race, a higher-grade race, a more worldly wise race to put it that way, has come in and taken their place."

Churchill certainly believed in racial hierarchies and eugenics, says John Charmley, author of Churchill: The End of Glory. In Churchill's view, white protestant Christians were at the top, above white Catholics, while Indians were higher than Africans, he adds. "Churchill saw himself and Britain as being the winners in a social Darwinian hierarchy."

Yeah he was a nut but he saved the world.

Churchill was a life long racist, but that's okay because he was your kind of racist or whatever.

I think it's amazing that one could read that Churchill supported using as much deadly gases as possible, and then all of a sudden he's a good guy.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

[
I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

I was there in '79. Spain, Portugal and Italy (especially southern Italy) were considered no more than third-world countries back then. Sure, the top end of third world.

Italy was ahead of Spain but they didnt have the weight of fascism dragging them down. Cant comment on Portugal as I only visited there in February.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Also, to put things in perspective:

During the bombing of Dresden, Allied bombers dropped a little less than 4,000 tons of explosives on the city.

In the 3 years before the bombing of Dresden, german bombers had dropped more than ten times as much on residential areas of England - including almost 20,000 tons just on the city of London.

To put things in perspective.

When London was bombed the Second War was in action and many of the places bombed not in London were strategic in a military way for the British including port areas etc.

When Dresden was bombed the war was reaching an end and there was nothing of military significance about Dresden, it was 100% a civilian target with all those being women, children, elderly peoples.

The nazis bombed my village in the war. An obscure pit village in North Wales with no military whatsoever. Fuck em. They brought Dresden on themselves.

We all know the only reason you are in this thread. Which is why this is the only response you get from me and it's to ignore your Trolling.

Why dont you be honest and state your views clearly ?

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Hitler had all the actual "socialists" in the NSDAP murdered during the Night of the Long Knives.

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Hitler had all the actual "socialists" in the NSDAP murdered during the Night of the Long Knives.

Goebbels himself had touted of Lenin.

Why wasn't Goebbels killed in the Night of the Long Knives?

But, that's besides the point.

Having Cartels, and Councils control the business economy indirectly through government, can ONLY be Socialism.

That's what they did.

Socialism is always Democratic and regulated capitalism, as opposed to Communism where the state owns all the industry and businesses... Fascism and Nazism are still capitalist but you better not be Jewish or try to fight the state LOL

Fascism is more Socialist than Social Democracy on the whole.

Hint. they don't regulate businesses in Sweden to join government councils, or cartels like they did in Fascist countries.

 

[francoHFW]

If a geographical section of the country rebels militarily, then that's a war.

Franco sent a little less than half a million of his own citizens to camps or their deaths, in peacetime.

Your moral equivalency fails on numerous levels.

Most of those were military men captured, and put into those camps.
Not, that I support that.

I never said I truly support Franco.

What I'm defending is mostly Franco's economy in the Spanish Miracle.

I'm defending the right to support Franco how wrong he may have been, so long as people can support FDR, or Churchill.

Democracy is always better than fascism... Franco finally allowed tourism in the 60s but Spain's economy really grew only after he died. Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!! That's Saturday Night Live 1976 by the way...

Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Franco and Spain were an international Pariah until 1958 when Eisenhower wanted air bases and opened it up to tourism. That was the Spanish miracle. Spain was okay in the twenties but like many countries was wrecked by the corrupt GOP World depression in the 30s see also Germany Japan. Thank God in 2008 there were socialists everywhere to stop another full-blown depression. Thank you Obama and every all the other leaders around the world in modern countries... Only cost about 8 trillion dollars in the US and Ditto in other modern countries...

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

[
I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

I was there in '79. Spain, Portugal and Italy (especially southern Italy) were considered no more than third-world countries back then. Sure, the top end of third world.

Italy was ahead of Spain but they didnt have the weight of fascism dragging them down. Cant comment on Portugal as I only visited there in February.

Haha, yeah, the weight of Fascism, except Franco's Spain became #1 in economic growth in 20th century Europe.

 

[francoHFW]

This is a "fact" that you've pulled out of your ass, because you didn't have anything else.

Glad to hear it.



No, the moral equivalency still fails.

Chris Kyle killed more than 3 times as many people as the most prolific serial killer in American history. Do you think that makes him 3 times as evil?

Well, if Churchill, and FDR aren't any better than Franco, why do so many people in the West support them?

You misunderstand me.

I think that Churchill and FDR were much better than Franco

What about Truman? He only dropped Atomic Bombs murdering innocent people to show the Soviet's America had the Atomic Bomb.

And to win the war without a costly invasion of Japan...

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

If a geographical section of the country rebels militarily, then that's a war.

Franco sent a little less than half a million of his own citizens to camps or their deaths, in peacetime.

Your moral equivalency fails on numerous levels.

Most of those were military men captured, and put into those camps.
Not, that I support that.

I never said I truly support Franco.

What I'm defending is mostly Franco's economy in the Spanish Miracle.

I'm defending the right to support Franco how wrong he may have been, so long as people can support FDR, or Churchill.

Democracy is always better than fascism... Franco finally allowed tourism in the 60s but Spain's economy really grew only after he died. Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!! That's Saturday Night Live 1976 by the way...

Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Well, if Churchill, and FDR aren't any better than Franco, why do so many people in the West support them?

You misunderstand me.

I think that Churchill and FDR were much better than Franco

What about Truman? He only dropped Atomic Bombs murdering innocent people to show the Soviet's America had the Atomic Bomb.

And to win the war without a costly invasion of Japan...

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

 

[francoHFW]

Because you keep saying that Franco killed his own citizens, not because they disagreed with him though he saw them as a threat to Spain because they were Communists.

Stalin had 7 million Ukranians starved to death because they were in the way, they were starved to death just to reduce the population number, they were not a threat to the existence of the Soviet Union.

• Because of the allied Potsdam, and Yalta Conference Soviet takeover of Poland, gave that Jewish Communist Jakub Berman to imprison up to 500,000 Polish people for political crimes, many of these were Armia Krajowa Polish patriots who fought the Nazis vigorously.

The fact is the Communists took away the opposition in that exact manner.

Totalitarians from both ends of the political Spectrum are like that... Nazis and communists in other words.

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Wrong. Socialism is always democratic. Hitler did have full employment and assistance for the unfortunate, but it was all a war economy they would have totally fallen apart they needed to invade other countries to keep it going. Fascism.