Antifa Communism Rejected in Spain

[Lucy Hamilton]

Because you keep saying that Franco killed his own citizens, not because they disagreed with him though he saw them as a threat to Spain because they were Communists.

Stalin had 7 million Ukranians starved to death because they were in the way, they were starved to death just to reduce the population number, they were not a threat to the existence of the Soviet Union.

So you keep mentioning Stalin to say that Franco was not as evil as Stalin was?

I agree with that.

But the fact that Stalin was "more evil" doesn't make Franco "good" by comparison.

I think it is about being anti-Communist more than anything else, so as I commented before if someone prevents their nation falling to Communism then you side with them on this issue.

Communism is a political ideology. It's a system of thought. There's nothing tangible about it, it only exists inside human minds.

How can you claim to support self-determination if you're ok with killing people due to the thoughts in their minds?

Well Fascism is also a political ideology, same as Communism.

Fascism is the right-wing capitalist opposite of Communism but they're both totalitarian.

Yes they are both Totalitarian, Fascism is pro-Capitalism and Communism is anti-Capitalism.

 

[francoHFW]

You misunderstand me.

I think that Churchill and FDR were much better than Franco

What about Truman? He only dropped Atomic Bombs murdering innocent people to show the Soviet's America had the Atomic Bomb.

And to win the war without a costly invasion of Japan...

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

Most of those were military men captured, and put into those camps.
Not, that I support that.

I never said I truly support Franco.

What I'm defending is mostly Franco's economy in the Spanish Miracle.

I'm defending the right to support Franco how wrong he may have been, so long as people can support FDR, or Churchill.

Democracy is always better than fascism... Franco finally allowed tourism in the 60s but Spain's economy really grew only after he died. Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!! That's Saturday Night Live 1976 by the way...

Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

 

[francoHFW]

So you keep mentioning Stalin to say that Franco was not as evil as Stalin was?

I agree with that.

But the fact that Stalin was "more evil" doesn't make Franco "good" by comparison.

I think it is about being anti-Communist more than anything else, so as I commented before if someone prevents their nation falling to Communism then you side with them on this issue.

Communism is a political ideology. It's a system of thought. There's nothing tangible about it, it only exists inside human minds.

How can you claim to support self-determination if you're ok with killing people due to the thoughts in their minds?

Well Fascism is also a political ideology, same as Communism.

Fascism is the right-wing capitalist opposite of Communism but they're both totalitarian.

Yes they are both Totalitarian, Fascism is pro-Capitalism and Communism is anti-Capitalism.

That's the smartest thing I've ever heard you say thank you very much.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

• Because of the allied Potsdam, and Yalta Conference Soviet takeover of Poland, gave that Jewish Communist Jakub Berman to imprison up to 500,000 Polish people for political crimes, many of these were Armia Krajowa Polish patriots who fought the Nazis vigorously.

The fact is the Communists took away the opposition in that exact manner.

Totalitarians from both ends of the political Spectrum are like that... Nazis and communists in other words.

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Wrong. Socialism is always democratic. Hitler did have full employment and assistance for the unfortunate, but it was all a war economy they would have totally fallen apart they needed to invade other countries to keep it going. Fascism.

War is always good for business and the economy, it was good for America also bringing America completely out of The Great Depression, the Second War made America wealthy, perhaps that's why America loves war so much Perpetual War keeps America's economy floating.

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

I think it is about being anti-Communist more than anything else, so as I commented before if someone prevents their nation falling to Communism then you side with them on this issue.

Communism is a political ideology. It's a system of thought. There's nothing tangible about it, it only exists inside human minds.

How can you claim to support self-determination if you're ok with killing people due to the thoughts in their minds?

Well Fascism is also a political ideology, same as Communism.

Fascism is the right-wing capitalist opposite of Communism but they're both totalitarian.

Yes they are both Totalitarian, Fascism is pro-Capitalism and Communism is anti-Capitalism.

That's the smartest thing I've ever heard you say thank you very much.

I comment very many smart things it's just they are too deep for you or something

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

• Because of the allied Potsdam, and Yalta Conference Soviet takeover of Poland, gave that Jewish Communist Jakub Berman to imprison up to 500,000 Polish people for political crimes, many of these were Armia Krajowa Polish patriots who fought the Nazis vigorously.

The fact is the Communists took away the opposition in that exact manner.

Totalitarians from both ends of the political Spectrum are like that... Nazis and communists in other words.

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

National Socialist Germany was in fact Socialist.

Here's 2 Wiki articles proving it point blank.

German Labour Front - Wikipedia

Council of Trust - Wikipedia

Wrong. Socialism is always democratic. Hitler did have full employment and assistance for the unfortunate, but it was all a war economy they would have totally fallen apart they needed to invade other countries to keep it going. Fascism.

You're thinking of Social Democracy....

Every time you attack Hitler's economy, you're attacking Socialism.,,,

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

What about Truman? He only dropped Atomic Bombs murdering innocent people to show the Soviet's America had the Atomic Bomb.

And to win the war without a costly invasion of Japan...

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

Democracy is always better than fascism... Franco finally allowed tourism in the 60s but Spain's economy really grew only after he died. Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!! That's Saturday Night Live 1976 by the way...

Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

How come Wikipedia says the Spanish Miracle ended in 1974, and is only surpassed by Japan for 20th century economic growth?

 

[francoHFW]

Totalitarians from both ends of the political Spectrum are like that... Nazis and communists in other words.

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

"Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see."

Tell that to Venezuela.

Shove your Pavlov dog right-wing talking points up your ass. Venezuela is a third-world oil economy mess but it's still a democracy and manythe majority still love their social socialist government. When you think socialism think the EU France Germany UK Canada Japan Australia and New Zealand and yes the United States even though the u.s. is a Pander to the rich GOP mess, dupe.

"Venezuela is a third-world oil economy mess but it's still a democracy and manythe majority still love their social socialist government."

Tell that to the Venezuela opposition parties and especially after Maduro's Constituent Assembly election which has made him Dictator.

In a Democracy you do not have a Dictator. Democracy 101.

He is not a dictator yet and you get only right-wing GOP propaganda about the situation. The right-wing in Venezuela is totally corrupt oligarchy, 60% of the country still support the Socialists. Venezuelan socialism is much like Obamacare, non-stop sabotaged by the right wing... LOL

 

[francoHFW]

And to win the war without a costly invasion of Japan...

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

How come Wikipedia says the Spanish Miracle ended in 1974, and is only surpassed by Japan for 20th century economic growth?

Because it came from nothing...

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

What about Truman? He only dropped Atomic Bombs murdering innocent people to show the Soviet's America had the Atomic Bomb.

And to win the war without a costly invasion of Japan...

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

Democracy is always better than fascism... Franco finally allowed tourism in the 60s but Spain's economy really grew only after he died. Generalissimo Francisco Franco is still dead!! That's Saturday Night Live 1976 by the way...

Spanish miracle - Wikipedia

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

Well I am told the opposite perhaps it is where people were during the time and what they were doing, all the people my family have known who were in Spain from the late 1930s up until the mid 1960s were either in the Diplomatic profession or were Independently wealthy.

So I think if people had to work for a living things could have been different is all I can think.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

How come Wikipedia says the Spanish Miracle ended in 1974, and is only surpassed by Japan for 20th century economic growth?

Because it came from nothing...

Extreme Socialism (Communism) sucks the most, look at North Korea vs South Korea.

The irony here is that you're probably more likely to support a Communist style regime, rather than a Franco style regime.

How come?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

What side of the spectrum are those?

Fascism is moderate Socialism, and Communism is extreme Socialism.

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

"Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see."

Tell that to Venezuela.

Shove your Pavlov dog right-wing talking points up your ass. Venezuela is a third-world oil economy mess but it's still a democracy and manythe majority still love their social socialist government. When you think socialism think the EU France Germany UK Canada Japan Australia and New Zealand and yes the United States even though the u.s. is a Pander to the rich GOP mess, dupe.

"Venezuela is a third-world oil economy mess but it's still a democracy and manythe majority still love their social socialist government."

Tell that to the Venezuela opposition parties and especially after Maduro's Constituent Assembly election which has made him Dictator.

In a Democracy you do not have a Dictator. Democracy 101.

He is not a dictator yet and you get only right-wing GOP propaganda about the situation. The right-wing in Venezuela is totally corrupt oligarchy, 60% of the country still support the Socialists. Venezuelan socialism is much like Obamacare, non-stop sabotaged by the right wing... LOL

60% of Venezuela still supports Maduro even though they have no medicines and hospital care, minimal foods and infamously no toilet paper yet 60% support this?

 

[Lucy Hamilton]

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

How come Wikipedia says the Spanish Miracle ended in 1974, and is only surpassed by Japan for 20th century economic growth?

Because it came from nothing...

Nothing comes from nothing things always come from something.

 

[francoHFW]

This is a "fact" that you've pulled out of your ass, because you didn't have anything else.

Glad to hear it.



No, the moral equivalency still fails.

Chris Kyle killed more than 3 times as many people as the most prolific serial killer in American history. Do you think that makes him 3 times as evil?

Well, if Churchill, and FDR aren't any better than Franco, why do so many people in the West support them?

You misunderstand me.

I think that Churchill and FDR were much better than Franco

What about Truman? He only dropped Atomic Bombs murdering innocent people to show the Soviet's America had the Atomic Bomb.

And to win the war without a costly invasion of Japan...

Well just a few years later America addicted to war got involved with the Korean War, you have been either causing wars by interfering in things that are not your business or supporting covertly wars ever since.

So what nationality are you we have an Englishman or Welshman, Serb I believe, you, I who could have been a dual citizen UK and us if I'd been born any other time. Good stuff!

 

[francoHFW]

North Korea started the Korean War by invading the south... End of story

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

Spain was poorer than Mexico in the 1930's, seems Franco did better for Spain, than well anyone did for Mexico, because Franco lifted Spain up by it's boot-straps.

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

How come Wikipedia says the Spanish Miracle ended in 1974, and is only surpassed by Japan for 20th century economic growth?

Because it came from nothing...

Nothing comes from nothing things always come from something.

Spain was a total wreck from 1936 to 58

 

[francoHFW]

Communism is totalitarian where the state owns all of business and industry. Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see. Nazism is only socialist in its propaganda... Don't listen to that crap. Fascism is right wing totalitarianism where capitalism continues but his under the thumb of the state like everything else. Memorize this paragraph.

"Socialism is always democratic and is the highest form of government as far as I can see."

Tell that to Venezuela.

Shove your Pavlov dog right-wing talking points up your ass. Venezuela is a third-world oil economy mess but it's still a democracy and manythe majority still love their social socialist government. When you think socialism think the EU France Germany UK Canada Japan Australia and New Zealand and yes the United States even though the u.s. is a Pander to the rich GOP mess, dupe.

"Venezuela is a third-world oil economy mess but it's still a democracy and manythe majority still love their social socialist government."

Tell that to the Venezuela opposition parties and especially after Maduro's Constituent Assembly election which has made him Dictator.

In a Democracy you do not have a Dictator. Democracy 101.

He is not a dictator yet and you get only right-wing GOP propaganda about the situation. The right-wing in Venezuela is totally corrupt oligarchy, 60% of the country still support the Socialists. Venezuelan socialism is much like Obamacare, non-stop sabotaged by the right wing... LOL

60% of Venezuela still supports Maduro even though they have no medicines and hospital care, minimal foods and infamously no toilet paper yet 60% support this?

It isn't easy to get through this right-wing sabotage probably... But they remember the oligarchy Banana Republic they had before.

 

[SobieskiSavedEurope]

Not the end of the story because that war did not end, they have just had a cessation of hostilities with the Korean Armistice Agreement of 1953.

Zzzzzzzz

Spain was very good from the late 1930s up until the 1970s this I have been told by people who were there during those times now either dead or elderly and that Spain began going downhill in the 1970s. I don't know about obscure sections of Spain but about Madrid, Córdoba, Valencia and Barcelona the large cities.

Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

How come Wikipedia says the Spanish Miracle ended in 1974, and is only surpassed by Japan for 20th century economic growth?

Because it came from nothing...

Nothing comes from nothing things always come from something.

Spain was a total wreck from 1936 to 58

So why did Spain go up, and Mexico not really.
Even though in the 1930's Mexico was richer than Spain, but Mexico is now much poorer than Spain.

 

[francoHFW]

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I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

because they started from 0 in 1958...

I was there in '79. Spain, Portugal and Italy (especially southern Italy) were considered no more than third-world countries back then. Sure, the top end of third world.

Italy was ahead of Spain but they didnt have the weight of fascism dragging them down. Cant comment on Portugal as I only visited there in February.

Haha, yeah, the weight of Fascism, except Franco's Spain became #1 in economic growth in 20th century Europe.

 

[francoHFW]

[
I wen to Spain in the early 70s. It was a backward shit hole. It started to catch up after they joined the EU.

because they started from 0 in 1958...

I was there in '79. Spain, Portugal and Italy (especially southern Italy) were considered no more than third-world countries back then. Sure, the top end of third world.

Italy was ahead of Spain but they didnt have the weight of fascism dragging them down. Cant comment on Portugal as I only visited there in February.

Haha, yeah, the weight of Fascism, except Franco's Spain became #1 in economic growth in 20th century Europe.

Because they started from 0 in 1958...

 

[francoHFW]

Zzzzzzzz
Spain was a total wreck from 1939 to 1958, an international Pariah with concentration camps and incredible poverty, I lived there 1964 on and off- 1994. Franco the total fascist nazi a****** died in 1975 and Spain had its real Miracle after that please.

How come Wikipedia says the Spanish Miracle ended in 1974, and is only surpassed by Japan for 20th century economic growth?

Because it came from nothing...

Nothing comes from nothing things always come from something.

Spain was a total wreck from 1936 to 58

So why did Spain go up, and Mexico not really.
Even though in the 1930's Mexico was richer than Spain, but Mexico is now much poorer than Spain.

Because Spain started from 0 in 1958 and Mexico is a corrupt Backwater...