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[harmonica]

So the universe having a beginning scares you

.....where do you people get the ''scare'' word from?? you don't have anything else, so you use that ..they use it in the race threads
....you make no sense and are just pulling crap out of the air--if anyone should be scared of no beginning, it would be you people

Probably because it makes no sense to deny the science like you are doing.

Here ding and harmonica
This is what I mean by slamming people for not interpreting science the same way.
Nobody has to believe the science, but should be free to come about understanding by their own choice of process.

If harmonica doesn't respond to that approach, why not work differently that is more effective?

For example, I am curious what is the equivalent in harmonica's way of defining relations in the world
of the COLLECTIVE level of existence, of laws or truth, of humanity or society?

harmonica: what do you call or consider the highest level of goodness, of truth, or
aspirations you strive for personally and you think is best for humanity?

Do you look at loving relations and world peace and cooperation as the ideal for the world at large?

Do you believe striving for TRUTH and removing all error and stupid ignorance is your motivation
you wish all people would agree to follow as well?

How do YOU describe the ideal good to make society better for everyone? Can we start there?

Thank you!

[PS if that doesn't work harmonica let's start from the opposite approach:
what do you find to be the ultimate cause of EVIL in the world.
what do all humans need to address to solve the worst problems facing humanity.
and how do you feel is the best way to go about addressing and solving this problem,
where if EVERYONE did that, the world would be a better place. How do you define this?]

I'm a ''realist''---I believe in evolution = humans =hate/greedy/jealous/angry/murder/rape/robe/etc --these are all ''natural'' to humans
wars--there always have been wars and always will be

...I am like my father--he ''indirectly'' taught me to be nice to people..be polite...etc ...don't be mean ....

....evolution- realism= .....if the human child--especially males--don't get love/discipline/etc, they more than likely will grow up to be jackasses.....a lot of how human behaviour is determined is by their socioeconomic/familial upbringing/etc
example:
..if you and I were born in Somalia, we would probably need to steal/use violence/etc

..we see ''a lot'' hate/greed/jealousy/etc in the news--but this is not all that is out there
= I don't see it as bad or good---but more like humans doing what's ''natural''

Dear harmonica
The difference I guess is where we believe human beings are
in the process of development and social evolution.

I believe the phase of retributive justice is like the
teenage vs. parent phase of rebellion and learning
there are consequences for breaking rules (before
progressing to the restorative justice approach to relations).

The point is not to stay in this phase of depending on
parental authority to stay orderly (instead of the selfish
greedy destructive side of human beings which I equate
to immature children wanting everything their way).
The "church" role is like the collective "mother" or nurturing side of parenting.
the "state" role is more like the collective "father" or
disciplinary authoritarian role of governing and protecting the
household.

the point is not to stay dependent on either church or state
to act as our parents to run to. We are supposed to grow to
become independent households, or collectively independent
nations of self-governing city-states when we reach full maturity.

That's how I see the NATURAL process developing.

Society collectively REFLECTS the same patterns we see
from infants and "terrible two's" progressing to rebellious
teenagers before becoming adults able to govern our own
decisions by REASON not by fear-based punishment or
"spankings" as with small children who respond emotionally.

When we reach maturity, we are supposed to gain enough
experience to learn by trial and error, the consequences of
destructive vs. productive approaches, and what is more
effective, sustainable and healthful. So that's how I see
where we are, is in various stages of development.

I do believe this is natural, I believe we learn by REASON
and we have free will for a purpose, so we study problems
and figure out solutions by the "scientific approach."

Where the "spiritual" level or process applies, the more
we FORGIVE and let go of personal biases and reactions
in response to conflicts with other people, this has the effect
of opening up our minds and intuition to solve problems in a
more "holistic" manner connecting with other people. There
is a SCIENCE to this process, it is NATURAL. But because of
the collective influence that people have on each other, this
level of shared energy and insights including on a subconscious
level is what the SPIRITUAL references and terms are used
to describe the RELATIONSHIPS between "individual and collective"
levels of society and knowledge of the laws we consider to be truth.

This is where the faith based beliefs and perceptions come in.

However you explain the process or connection between
the INDIVIDUAL and the COLLECTIVE consciousness or
knowledge shared with "other people" that is where people
use Religious symbolism to represent this more abstract,
intangible realm. And because it is on an unconscious or
invisible level of thoughts of different people influencing each other
indirectly, that's where it becomes "faith based."

Whether we "trust" other people or not, or we can "forgive"
faults conflicts or wrongs between people, this is the level
where we make those assessments, so it is faith based,
and it affects our PERCEPTIONS and biases. Whether
we look at things in a secular way, or in spiritual terms as
in religion, the PERCEPTION we have as individuals
is biased by what we can forgive or not, and to what
degree we can include or we reject. Some people call this
fear response, but I have found it is based on past issues
and the degree to which we forgive and resolve them,
which determines how much we bias our perception of all
things whether real or imagined.

There is a science to this perception business as well.
Totally possible to resolve different ways of expression
the same process by taking a natural secular approach.
You do not have to use religious or spiritual terms for it.
And it's still the same process of people reconciling
between each other and individuals vs. the collective level.

easy to say and do if you don't live :
in the ghetto
poor
without parents
without a father
......with a father who is abusive/alcoholic/druggie [ the kid that just shot up the school had an idiot druggie/etc for a father ]

jailed for domestic violence and deported twice back to Mexico.

Trans STEM School Shooting Suspect's Father Alleged Felon
without being bullied at school for being:
----dumb/different/etc
...etc
.....there are poor/dumb/different/mentally challenged/etc people all over--and always will be

....there are ''normal'' people that grow up with a great childhood that have high IQs-----------teachers at universities--- that are serial killers
11 Terrifying Murderers Who Used Their Genius-Level IQs To Kill People
this is what humans are

 

[harmonica]

you can never solve the worst problems
wars--always will be
murder--always will be
etc
this is part of the humans

Wrong, what part of saving hundreds of thousands of lives and easing the war, by the Brits taking out Al Quedas weapons cache and upper personel, do you not comprehend?
NOW THIS MAKES THE PERFECT LESSON SO YOU GRASP WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND ATTRIBUTING TO THE PROBLEM NOT THE SOLUTION. Lesson:
If I had some naysayer like you ringing in my ear all day being a negative Nancy telling me my precepts and theories are wack and I should just give up getting involved, then enough of you type of "hinderers" could sway my resolve and it could litterally change history by making me question my ability to make a difference and affect change. If that were the case your disrupter and obstructive behavior and stance (like that of the left in Politics) can prevent that much needed change and stability, in other words you can cause doubt or inaction which means I could have given in & not taken the chance I did to geocache the target per request to find the subject. In fact this happen to all the other claimed prophets and intuitive characters the British news group challenge asked at that same time, who ended up fearing doing so, because of such similar harassment. I was the only one who dared to give exact details and instructions, including a map. Do you know what happened when I uploaded a map with coordinates? A person liken to you replied:
"you shouldn't do that, this is a non binary news group, no images allowed". *L* Can you believe that? I ended up being 100% accurate and detailed and yet liken to you they hoped and tried to create failure (sound like our political obstructionists?)
In Hebrew the word Hinderer
is SawTawn (Satan), so your attempts to hinder good and righteous works is adversary (satanic).

If you ever played Baseball in the summer, especially the outfield and dealt with a few knats buzzing you, a few you can swipe away and squash by smacking them on your arm, but get a swarm buzzing around with the sole purpose to bother & "hinder you" by going in your ears, up your nose, and making it unbarable to stick around, enough to want to throw in the glove and pick up a hockey stick and skates instead. Same with beach flies and sand fleas, a few you stick around and handle the inconvenience, but a swarm will make you give in for the day.

It's up to you, to decide if you want to be part of the swarm of hinderers and obstructionists or a team player. Do you want to get resolve or be the issue needing resolve?

If everyone took your approach bills would never be introduced by lobbying and laws would never get passed by people believing their ideas and deeds can turn into viable change.

You have no idea how much reach & power of change by influence a single person has, I haven't even shared a fraction of all that has my handiwork tied to it and I'm still amazed by how much others can get done in their lifetime with similar resolve.
An article I saved all these years for just this occasion;
"Suggestions for bettering this world"- By Darrell Sifford- Phila. Inquirer Tues. July 18,1989
Willis Harman was saying that 'if enough people change their minds, their ways of looking at things,
institutions change too,' and almost before you know it, a new age has dawned, more promising than anything
that has come before.
Increasingly, people are becoming aware that the present system doesn't work in the long run.
People are awakening.....and recognizing that they have it better simply by choosing to have it better.
People in general are becoming aware that it's no longer enough just to concern themselves with their own growth and development.
All of us must be concerned with making the world a better place or there won't be a world.
Every age, every society has its myths and models that offer an explanation of who we are and how the world works.
These reign virtually unexamined until enough new information challenges those old models.
Today we are on the brink of a planetary crisis and on the edge of a changing worldview.
At stake is the future. Herman suggests to Be aware. Be concerned.
Get together, talk, listen, search. In the long run ordinary things can produce extraordinary results.
Most of all be hopeful. 'Things are happening.'

see post # 101
main point: you can't change humans from being ===== HUMAN
..some people with high IQs and a great life are serial killers ---it's physiological/human--you can't change humans
11 Terrifying Murderers Who Used Their Genius-Level IQs To Kill People

 

[HaShev]

you can never solve the worst problems
wars--always will be
murder--always will be
etc
this is part of the humans

Wrong, what part of saving hundreds of thousands of lives and easing the war, by the Brits taking out Al Quedas weapons cache and upper personel, do you not comprehend?
NOW THIS MAKES THE PERFECT LESSON SO YOU GRASP WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND ATTRIBUTING TO THE PROBLEM NOT THE SOLUTION. Lesson:
If I had some naysayer like you ringing in my ear all day being a negative Nancy telling me my precepts and theories are wack and I should just give up getting involved, then enough of you type of "hinderers" could sway my resolve and it could litterally change history by making me question my ability to make a difference and affect change. If that were the case your disrupter and obstructive behavior and stance (like that of the left in Politics) can prevent that much needed change and stability, in other words you can cause doubt or inaction which means I could have given in & not taken the chance I did to geocache the target per request to find the subject. In fact this happen to all the other claimed prophets and intuitive characters the British news group challenge asked at that same time, who ended up fearing doing so, because of such similar harassment. I was the only one who dared to give exact details and instructions, including a map. Do you know what happened when I uploaded a map with coordinates? A person liken to you replied:
"you shouldn't do that, this is a non binary news group, no images allowed". *L* Can you believe that? I ended up being 100% accurate and detailed and yet liken to you they hoped and tried to create failure (sound like our political obstructionists?)
In Hebrew the word Hinderer
is SawTawn (Satan), so your attempts to hinder good and righteous works is adversary (satanic).

If you ever played Baseball in the summer, especially the outfield and dealt with a few knats buzzing you, a few you can swipe away and squash by smacking them on your arm, but get a swarm buzzing around with the sole purpose to bother & "hinder you" by going in your ears, up your nose, and making it unbarable to stick around, enough to want to throw in the glove and pick up a hockey stick and skates instead. Same with beach flies and sand fleas, a few you stick around and handle the inconvenience, but a swarm will make you give in for the day.

It's up to you, to decide if you want to be part of the swarm of hinderers and obstructionists or a team player. Do you want to get resolve or be the issue needing resolve?

If everyone took your approach bills would never be introduced by lobbying and laws would never get passed by people believing their ideas and deeds can turn into viable change.

You have no idea how much reach & power of change by influence a single person has, I haven't even shared a fraction of all that has my handiwork tied to it and I'm still amazed by how much others can get done in their lifetime with similar resolve.
An article I saved all these years for just this occasion;
"Suggestions for bettering this world"- By Darrell Sifford- Phila. Inquirer Tues. July 18,1989
Willis Harman was saying that 'if enough people change their minds, their ways of looking at things,
institutions change too,' and almost before you know it, a new age has dawned, more promising than anything
that has come before.
Increasingly, people are becoming aware that the present system doesn't work in the long run.
People are awakening.....and recognizing that they have it better simply by choosing to have it better.
People in general are becoming aware that it's no longer enough just to concern themselves with their own growth and development.
All of us must be concerned with making the world a better place or there won't be a world.
Every age, every society has its myths and models that offer an explanation of who we are and how the world works.
These reign virtually unexamined until enough new information challenges those old models.
Today we are on the brink of a planetary crisis and on the edge of a changing worldview.
At stake is the future. Herman suggests to Be aware. Be concerned.
Get together, talk, listen, search. In the long run ordinary things can produce extraordinary results.
Most of all be hopeful. 'Things are happening.'

.....2000 years AFTER ''''jesus'' came, the world had the greatest murder/rape/robbery/killing/destruction = WW2

Right- over thousands of wars, and over 50 million murders, but I'm Jewish and I'm the one trying to remove the false salvation in an idol nonsense and you are not helping, you are hindering.

You said: "-I believe in evolution = humans"
Where is that not compatible with Jewish naturalist Humanist teachings that God (creations source of being)is not a man nor form?
*
The name of the holy city YeruShalem is named after that Essence we Jews call God.
Shalem** means to be complete and whole and stable=evolve. The Numeric Gematria for God and nature are the same. It's just we believe in describing that Essence, Reflecting and Manifesting it to be in the right(eous) path towards where we need to be in line with our creation instead of opposition to it. Without learning from history-human behavior and defining creation how fo you know right from wrong, good from bad and in line or opposition with your purpose in life. So when you do things in hindering or opposition to removing false worship or false teachings and fake history then you are no better then that behavior in our politics that obstructs and hinders our makining the country better where we should and could be not where naysayers had us and would have us.
*Sources:
Isaiah 42:8 we can't pray to any image of anything physical- Exodus 20:3-7 and Deuteronomy 5:8-10
God is not a man nor form-(Isaiah 2:22, 14:13, I Samuel 15:29, Numbers 23:19, and Hosea 11:9, Deuteronomy 4:11-12 and the 13 major principles of the Jewish faith based on the Rambam's teaching of "ain lo demus haguf ve'ayno guf" -- that Hashem has no physical form.)
**Source for Shalem:
YeruShalem would carry the name. (1 Kings 11:36,
Jeremiah 25:29 &
in dead sea scrolls: Words of the Archangel Michael scroll 4Q529, 6Q23)
The Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemorating his name and essence. In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23,24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name. That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as “Yerushalayim”.

 

[sparky]

this is what humans are

-you can't change humans

We're bad monkeys , nobody here's arguing that.

In fact i'll even state Satan's army is actively turning terrestrial screws....

That's proof enough things celestial exist for me

~S~

 

[ding]

Stop being silly.

The fact that you deny the science tells me you don’t like what it means.

we've been over this before
plain and simple --you can't prove there is a god
.....we have NO idea what a god would be like--what the beginning of the Universe was like/etc ..it's all speculation-imagination----

So the universe having a beginning scares you

.....where do you people get the ''scare'' word from?? you don't have anything else, so you use that ..they use it in the race threads
....you make no sense and are just pulling crap out of the air--if anyone should be scared of no beginning, it would be you people

But the science doesn’t say no beginning, dipshit.

you are making so much sense
and you really enhance your arguments with the insults --that's ingenious

I reserve them especially for you.

 

[ding]

Stop being silly.

The fact that you deny the science tells me you don’t like what it means.

we've been over this before
plain and simple --you can't prove there is a god
.....we have NO idea what a god would be like--what the beginning of the Universe was like/etc ..it's all speculation-imagination----

So the universe having a beginning scares you

.....where do you people get the ''scare'' word from?? you don't have anything else, so you use that ..they use it in the race threads
....you make no sense and are just pulling crap out of the air--if anyone should be scared of no beginning, it would be you people

Probably because it makes no sense to deny the science like you are doing.

what science is that??
???!!!! what????

Exactly. You are so ignorant of the science that that is a you can say.

 

[HaShev]

We're bad monkeys , nobody here's arguing that.

In fact i'll even state Satan's army is actively turning terrestrial screws....

That's proof enough things celestial exist for me

~S~

And in the 80's they said I dressed funny, not even close to this. *L*

 

[hobelim]

been over this a million times
.....YOU people have to prove it--not I to disprove--like court cases the state claims someone did something, the state HAS to prove it or it's bullshit--you people INITIALLY made the claim
..also--I can claim all kinds of bullshit:
I went to the moon and jesus served me breakfast
Elvis came to me and told me the Ten Commandments
etc

Yeah, sure, but the Bible does not just make claims about God. It gives clear instructions to follow, a specific way to verify those claims, but that is not something that someone else can do for you.

You have to do it for yourself.

For instance, it is written that the pure of mind will see God. You might demand proof from someone else that this is true, but if you do not purify and refine your own mind, you will see and understand nothing.

Even if a dead person should rise from the same grave you are sleeping in and started talking to you, you would still see and understand nothing.


The more you purify and refine your mind the better you will understand the extraterrestrial language of the prophets. The more you understand the language of the prophets the more your perception of time and life itself will change and the better you will know what to do. The more you apply your mind to understand, the more you will become a new creature, 'like one of us', knowing good and evil.

If you learn to choose good and reject evil, only then you will gain the ability to see and hear God, and what has always been right in front of your own nose.

.....and the muslims/hindus/etc have their ''guide books/etc...these same ''instructions'' are not exclusive to the Bible ..I can come up with the same stuff

Yes, other religions have their guide books but they are not all the same, nether have you come up with the same stuff.

Here we are 6000 years after the law was given as a light to the nations and most people on earth still do not understand the importance of standing guard over the purity of their own mind or the danger of losing their sanity, sometimes for life, for failing to do so.

 

[emilynghiem]

.....where do you people get the ''scare'' word from?? you don't have anything else, so you use that ..they use it in the race threads
....you make no sense and are just pulling crap out of the air--if anyone should be scared of no beginning, it would be you people

Probably because it makes no sense to deny the science like you are doing.

Here ding and harmonica
This is what I mean by slamming people for not interpreting science the same way.
Nobody has to believe the science, but should be free to come about understanding by their own choice of process.

If harmonica doesn't respond to that approach, why not work differently that is more effective?

For example, I am curious what is the equivalent in harmonica's way of defining relations in the world
of the COLLECTIVE level of existence, of laws or truth, of humanity or society?

harmonica: what do you call or consider the highest level of goodness, of truth, or
aspirations you strive for personally and you think is best for humanity?

Do you look at loving relations and world peace and cooperation as the ideal for the world at large?

Do you believe striving for TRUTH and removing all error and stupid ignorance is your motivation
you wish all people would agree to follow as well?

How do YOU describe the ideal good to make society better for everyone? Can we start there?

Thank you!

[PS if that doesn't work harmonica let's start from the opposite approach:
what do you find to be the ultimate cause of EVIL in the world.
what do all humans need to address to solve the worst problems facing humanity.
and how do you feel is the best way to go about addressing and solving this problem,
where if EVERYONE did that, the world would be a better place. How do you define this?]

I'm a ''realist''---I believe in evolution = humans =hate/greedy/jealous/angry/murder/rape/robe/etc --these are all ''natural'' to humans
wars--there always have been wars and always will be

...I am like my father--he ''indirectly'' taught me to be nice to people..be polite...etc ...don't be mean ....

....evolution- realism= .....if the human child--especially males--don't get love/discipline/etc, they more than likely will grow up to be jackasses.....a lot of how human behaviour is determined is by their socioeconomic/familial upbringing/etc
example:
..if you and I were born in Somalia, we would probably need to steal/use violence/etc

..we see ''a lot'' hate/greed/jealousy/etc in the news--but this is not all that is out there
= I don't see it as bad or good---but more like humans doing what's ''natural''

Dear harmonica
The difference I guess is where we believe human beings are
in the process of development and social evolution.

I believe the phase of retributive justice is like the
teenage vs. parent phase of rebellion and learning
there are consequences for breaking rules (before
progressing to the restorative justice approach to relations).

The point is not to stay in this phase of depending on
parental authority to stay orderly (instead of the selfish
greedy destructive side of human beings which I equate
to immature children wanting everything their way).
The "church" role is like the collective "mother" or nurturing side of parenting.
the "state" role is more like the collective "father" or
disciplinary authoritarian role of governing and protecting the
household.

the point is not to stay dependent on either church or state
to act as our parents to run to. We are supposed to grow to
become independent households, or collectively independent
nations of self-governing city-states when we reach full maturity.

That's how I see the NATURAL process developing.

Society collectively REFLECTS the same patterns we see
from infants and "terrible two's" progressing to rebellious
teenagers before becoming adults able to govern our own
decisions by REASON not by fear-based punishment or
"spankings" as with small children who respond emotionally.

When we reach maturity, we are supposed to gain enough
experience to learn by trial and error, the consequences of
destructive vs. productive approaches, and what is more
effective, sustainable and healthful. So that's how I see
where we are, is in various stages of development.

I do believe this is natural, I believe we learn by REASON
and we have free will for a purpose, so we study problems
and figure out solutions by the "scientific approach."

Where the "spiritual" level or process applies, the more
we FORGIVE and let go of personal biases and reactions
in response to conflicts with other people, this has the effect
of opening up our minds and intuition to solve problems in a
more "holistic" manner connecting with other people. There
is a SCIENCE to this process, it is NATURAL. But because of
the collective influence that people have on each other, this
level of shared energy and insights including on a subconscious
level is what the SPIRITUAL references and terms are used
to describe the RELATIONSHIPS between "individual and collective"
levels of society and knowledge of the laws we consider to be truth.

This is where the faith based beliefs and perceptions come in.

However you explain the process or connection between
the INDIVIDUAL and the COLLECTIVE consciousness or
knowledge shared with "other people" that is where people
use Religious symbolism to represent this more abstract,
intangible realm. And because it is on an unconscious or
invisible level of thoughts of different people influencing each other
indirectly, that's where it becomes "faith based."

Whether we "trust" other people or not, or we can "forgive"
faults conflicts or wrongs between people, this is the level
where we make those assessments, so it is faith based,
and it affects our PERCEPTIONS and biases. Whether
we look at things in a secular way, or in spiritual terms as
in religion, the PERCEPTION we have as individuals
is biased by what we can forgive or not, and to what
degree we can include or we reject. Some people call this
fear response, but I have found it is based on past issues
and the degree to which we forgive and resolve them,
which determines how much we bias our perception of all
things whether real or imagined.

There is a science to this perception business as well.
Totally possible to resolve different ways of expression
the same process by taking a natural secular approach.
You do not have to use religious or spiritual terms for it.
And it's still the same process of people reconciling
between each other and individuals vs. the collective level.

easy to say and do if you don't live :
in the ghetto
poor
without parents
without a father
......with a father who is abusive/alcoholic/druggie [ the kid that just shot up the school had an idiot druggie/etc for a father ]

jailed for domestic violence and deported twice back to Mexico.

Trans STEM School Shooting Suspect's Father Alleged Felon
without being bullied at school for being:
----dumb/different/etc
...etc
.....there are poor/dumb/different/mentally challenged/etc people all over--and always will be

....there are ''normal'' people that grow up with a great childhood that have high IQs-----------teachers at universities--- that are serial killers
11 Terrifying Murderers Who Used Their Genius-Level IQs To Kill People
this is what humans are

You'd be surprised harmonica and/or relieved to know
some of the BEST Restorative Justice programs I've found in Houston
for reforming criminal justice have come from the poorest most oppressed districts targeted
and discriminated against by wealthy corporate developer interests seizing their land
by shutting down the low income nonprofits serving these neighborhoods.

Because these communities had to fight for survival, their solutions
are based on the grassroots up, what they developed themselves, without help
which they never got.

1. No More Victims Inc is based in North Forest
USA – No More Victims - Cherish Our Children International

One of their star graduates (whose classmates and colleagues have rallied around to continue his mission) tragically died from the very violence he was combatting with plans to finish his
doctoral dissertation on the impact on minority communities, in order to reform the criminal justice system to HELP poor minorities out of poverty and crime instead of oppressing them further:
https://www.theroot.com/devon-wade-must-be-remembered-for-disrupting-the-prison-1820849504
Smiley High grad who beat odds wins national award


2. the Campus Plan for sustainable community development to end poverty
www.campusplan.org
came out of APV in historic Freedmen's Town where I volunteer trying to
help the VERY people you cite as getting overrun because of those very issues!

Based on the solutions developed by the VERY oppressed poor minorities
struggling to save their districts from further abuse and takeover,
I have proposed that these models for sustainable campuses be used
to convert PRISONS and illegal sweatshops into safe programs for students and
workers to be mentored through higher education and job training:

www.rightsfortheworkers.org
www.earnedamnesty.org

SEE current nonprofit I am using as a model which already builds schools in
poor regions to combat trafficking and other crime exploiting poverty:
www.paceuniversal.com

harmonica if we would listen to the very people affected by these problems,
we might find the solutions we can implement to break this cycle of poverty and crime

 

[harmonica]

Probably because it makes no sense to deny the science like you are doing.

Here ding and harmonica
This is what I mean by slamming people for not interpreting science the same way.
Nobody has to believe the science, but should be free to come about understanding by their own choice of process.

If harmonica doesn't respond to that approach, why not work differently that is more effective?

For example, I am curious what is the equivalent in harmonica's way of defining relations in the world
of the COLLECTIVE level of existence, of laws or truth, of humanity or society?

harmonica: what do you call or consider the highest level of goodness, of truth, or
aspirations you strive for personally and you think is best for humanity?

Do you look at loving relations and world peace and cooperation as the ideal for the world at large?

Do you believe striving for TRUTH and removing all error and stupid ignorance is your motivation
you wish all people would agree to follow as well?

How do YOU describe the ideal good to make society better for everyone? Can we start there?

Thank you!

[PS if that doesn't work harmonica let's start from the opposite approach:
what do you find to be the ultimate cause of EVIL in the world.
what do all humans need to address to solve the worst problems facing humanity.
and how do you feel is the best way to go about addressing and solving this problem,
where if EVERYONE did that, the world would be a better place. How do you define this?]

I'm a ''realist''---I believe in evolution = humans =hate/greedy/jealous/angry/murder/rape/robe/etc --these are all ''natural'' to humans
wars--there always have been wars and always will be

...I am like my father--he ''indirectly'' taught me to be nice to people..be polite...etc ...don't be mean ....

....evolution- realism= .....if the human child--especially males--don't get love/discipline/etc, they more than likely will grow up to be jackasses.....a lot of how human behaviour is determined is by their socioeconomic/familial upbringing/etc
example:
..if you and I were born in Somalia, we would probably need to steal/use violence/etc

..we see ''a lot'' hate/greed/jealousy/etc in the news--but this is not all that is out there
= I don't see it as bad or good---but more like humans doing what's ''natural''

Dear harmonica
The difference I guess is where we believe human beings are
in the process of development and social evolution.

I believe the phase of retributive justice is like the
teenage vs. parent phase of rebellion and learning
there are consequences for breaking rules (before
progressing to the restorative justice approach to relations).

The point is not to stay in this phase of depending on
parental authority to stay orderly (instead of the selfish
greedy destructive side of human beings which I equate
to immature children wanting everything their way).
The "church" role is like the collective "mother" or nurturing side of parenting.
the "state" role is more like the collective "father" or
disciplinary authoritarian role of governing and protecting the
household.

the point is not to stay dependent on either church or state
to act as our parents to run to. We are supposed to grow to
become independent households, or collectively independent
nations of self-governing city-states when we reach full maturity.

That's how I see the NATURAL process developing.

Society collectively REFLECTS the same patterns we see
from infants and "terrible two's" progressing to rebellious
teenagers before becoming adults able to govern our own
decisions by REASON not by fear-based punishment or
"spankings" as with small children who respond emotionally.

When we reach maturity, we are supposed to gain enough
experience to learn by trial and error, the consequences of
destructive vs. productive approaches, and what is more
effective, sustainable and healthful. So that's how I see
where we are, is in various stages of development.

I do believe this is natural, I believe we learn by REASON
and we have free will for a purpose, so we study problems
and figure out solutions by the "scientific approach."

Where the "spiritual" level or process applies, the more
we FORGIVE and let go of personal biases and reactions
in response to conflicts with other people, this has the effect
of opening up our minds and intuition to solve problems in a
more "holistic" manner connecting with other people. There
is a SCIENCE to this process, it is NATURAL. But because of
the collective influence that people have on each other, this
level of shared energy and insights including on a subconscious
level is what the SPIRITUAL references and terms are used
to describe the RELATIONSHIPS between "individual and collective"
levels of society and knowledge of the laws we consider to be truth.

This is where the faith based beliefs and perceptions come in.

However you explain the process or connection between
the INDIVIDUAL and the COLLECTIVE consciousness or
knowledge shared with "other people" that is where people
use Religious symbolism to represent this more abstract,
intangible realm. And because it is on an unconscious or
invisible level of thoughts of different people influencing each other
indirectly, that's where it becomes "faith based."

Whether we "trust" other people or not, or we can "forgive"
faults conflicts or wrongs between people, this is the level
where we make those assessments, so it is faith based,
and it affects our PERCEPTIONS and biases. Whether
we look at things in a secular way, or in spiritual terms as
in religion, the PERCEPTION we have as individuals
is biased by what we can forgive or not, and to what
degree we can include or we reject. Some people call this
fear response, but I have found it is based on past issues
and the degree to which we forgive and resolve them,
which determines how much we bias our perception of all
things whether real or imagined.

There is a science to this perception business as well.
Totally possible to resolve different ways of expression
the same process by taking a natural secular approach.
You do not have to use religious or spiritual terms for it.
And it's still the same process of people reconciling
between each other and individuals vs. the collective level.

easy to say and do if you don't live :
in the ghetto
poor
without parents
without a father
......with a father who is abusive/alcoholic/druggie [ the kid that just shot up the school had an idiot druggie/etc for a father ]

jailed for domestic violence and deported twice back to Mexico.

Trans STEM School Shooting Suspect's Father Alleged Felon
without being bullied at school for being:
----dumb/different/etc
...etc
.....there are poor/dumb/different/mentally challenged/etc people all over--and always will be

....there are ''normal'' people that grow up with a great childhood that have high IQs-----------teachers at universities--- that are serial killers
11 Terrifying Murderers Who Used Their Genius-Level IQs To Kill People
this is what humans are

You'd be surprised harmonica and/or relieved to know
some of the BEST Restorative Justice programs I've found in Houston
for reforming criminal justice have come from the poorest most oppressed districts targeted
and discriminated against by wealthy corporate developer interests seizing their land
by shutting down the low income nonprofits serving these neighborhoods.

Because these communities had to fight for survival, their solutions
are based on the grassroots up, what they developed themselves, without help
which they never got.

1. No More Victims Inc is based in North Forest
USA – No More Victims - Cherish Our Children International

One of their star graduates (whose classmates and colleagues have rallied around to continue his mission) tragically died from the very violence he was combatting with plans to finish his
doctoral dissertation on the impact on minority communities, in order to reform the criminal justice system to HELP poor minorities out of poverty and crime instead of oppressing them further:
https://www.theroot.com/devon-wade-must-be-remembered-for-disrupting-the-prison-1820849504
Smiley High grad who beat odds wins national award


2. the Campus Plan for sustainable community development to end poverty
www.campusplan.org
came out of APV in historic Freedmen's Town where I volunteer trying to
help the VERY people you cite as getting overrun because of those very issues!

Based on the solutions developed by the VERY oppressed poor minorities
struggling to save their districts from further abuse and takeover,
I have proposed that these models for sustainable campuses be used
to convert PRISONS and illegal sweatshops into safe programs for students and
workers to be mentored through higher education and job training:

www.rightsfortheworkers.org
www.earnedamnesty.org

SEE current nonprofit I am using as a model which already builds schools in
poor regions to combat trafficking and other crime exploiting poverty:
www.paceuniversal.com

harmonica if we would listen to the very people affected by these problems,
we might find the solutions we can implement to break this cycle of poverty and crime

you can cut it down--but it's like the sun rising in the east

 

[harmonica]

been over this a million times
.....YOU people have to prove it--not I to disprove--like court cases the state claims someone did something, the state HAS to prove it or it's bullshit--you people INITIALLY made the claim
..also--I can claim all kinds of bullshit:
I went to the moon and jesus served me breakfast
Elvis came to me and told me the Ten Commandments
etc

Yeah, sure, but the Bible does not just make claims about God. It gives clear instructions to follow, a specific way to verify those claims, but that is not something that someone else can do for you.

You have to do it for yourself.

For instance, it is written that the pure of mind will see God. You might demand proof from someone else that this is true, but if you do not purify and refine your own mind, you will see and understand nothing.

Even if a dead person should rise from the same grave you are sleeping in and started talking to you, you would still see and understand nothing.


The more you purify and refine your mind the better you will understand the extraterrestrial language of the prophets. The more you understand the language of the prophets the more your perception of time and life itself will change and the better you will know what to do. The more you apply your mind to understand, the more you will become a new creature, 'like one of us', knowing good and evil.

If you learn to choose good and reject evil, only then you will gain the ability to see and hear God, and what has always been right in front of your own nose.

.....and the muslims/hindus/etc have their ''guide books/etc...these same ''instructions'' are not exclusive to the Bible ..I can come up with the same stuff

Yes, other religions have their guide books but they are not all the same, nether have you come up with the same stuff.

Here we are 6000 years after the law was given as a light to the nations and most people on earth still do not understand the importance of standing guard over the purity of their own mind or the danger of losing their sanity, sometimes for life, for failing to do so.

..it's all made up by man--not god
....the Jews don't believe jesus is god-etc/the christians do/the muslims something else/the atheist/etc = all man made and nobody knows anything

 

[harmonica]

we've been over this before
plain and simple --you can't prove there is a god
.....we have NO idea what a god would be like--what the beginning of the Universe was like/etc ..it's all speculation-imagination----

So the universe having a beginning scares you

.....where do you people get the ''scare'' word from?? you don't have anything else, so you use that ..they use it in the race threads
....you make no sense and are just pulling crap out of the air--if anyone should be scared of no beginning, it would be you people

But the science doesn’t say no beginning, dipshit.

you are making so much sense
and you really enhance your arguments with the insults --that's ingenious

I reserve them especially for you.

you're babbling ---you don't even make sense anymore

 

[harmonica]

you can never solve the worst problems
wars--always will be
murder--always will be
etc
this is part of the humans

Wrong, what part of saving hundreds of thousands of lives and easing the war, by the Brits taking out Al Quedas weapons cache and upper personel, do you not comprehend?
NOW THIS MAKES THE PERFECT LESSON SO YOU GRASP WHAT YOU ARE DOING AND ATTRIBUTING TO THE PROBLEM NOT THE SOLUTION. Lesson:
If I had some naysayer like you ringing in my ear all day being a negative Nancy telling me my precepts and theories are wack and I should just give up getting involved, then enough of you type of "hinderers" could sway my resolve and it could litterally change history by making me question my ability to make a difference and affect change. If that were the case your disrupter and obstructive behavior and stance (like that of the left in Politics) can prevent that much needed change and stability, in other words you can cause doubt or inaction which means I could have given in & not taken the chance I did to geocache the target per request to find the subject. In fact this happen to all the other claimed prophets and intuitive characters the British news group challenge asked at that same time, who ended up fearing doing so, because of such similar harassment. I was the only one who dared to give exact details and instructions, including a map. Do you know what happened when I uploaded a map with coordinates? A person liken to you replied:
"you shouldn't do that, this is a non binary news group, no images allowed". *L* Can you believe that? I ended up being 100% accurate and detailed and yet liken to you they hoped and tried to create failure (sound like our political obstructionists?)
In Hebrew the word Hinderer
is SawTawn (Satan), so your attempts to hinder good and righteous works is adversary (satanic).

If you ever played Baseball in the summer, especially the outfield and dealt with a few knats buzzing you, a few you can swipe away and squash by smacking them on your arm, but get a swarm buzzing around with the sole purpose to bother & "hinder you" by going in your ears, up your nose, and making it unbarable to stick around, enough to want to throw in the glove and pick up a hockey stick and skates instead. Same with beach flies and sand fleas, a few you stick around and handle the inconvenience, but a swarm will make you give in for the day.

It's up to you, to decide if you want to be part of the swarm of hinderers and obstructionists or a team player. Do you want to get resolve or be the issue needing resolve?

If everyone took your approach bills would never be introduced by lobbying and laws would never get passed by people believing their ideas and deeds can turn into viable change.

You have no idea how much reach & power of change by influence a single person has, I haven't even shared a fraction of all that has my handiwork tied to it and I'm still amazed by how much others can get done in their lifetime with similar resolve.
An article I saved all these years for just this occasion;
"Suggestions for bettering this world"- By Darrell Sifford- Phila. Inquirer Tues. July 18,1989
Willis Harman was saying that 'if enough people change their minds, their ways of looking at things,
institutions change too,' and almost before you know it, a new age has dawned, more promising than anything
that has come before.
Increasingly, people are becoming aware that the present system doesn't work in the long run.
People are awakening.....and recognizing that they have it better simply by choosing to have it better.
People in general are becoming aware that it's no longer enough just to concern themselves with their own growth and development.
All of us must be concerned with making the world a better place or there won't be a world.
Every age, every society has its myths and models that offer an explanation of who we are and how the world works.
These reign virtually unexamined until enough new information challenges those old models.
Today we are on the brink of a planetary crisis and on the edge of a changing worldview.
At stake is the future. Herman suggests to Be aware. Be concerned.
Get together, talk, listen, search. In the long run ordinary things can produce extraordinary results.
Most of all be hopeful. 'Things are happening.'

.....2000 years AFTER ''''jesus'' came, the world had the greatest murder/rape/robbery/killing/destruction = WW2

Right- over thousands of wars, and over 50 million murders, but I'm Jewish and I'm the one trying to remove the false salvation in an idol nonsense and you are not helping, you are hindering.

You said: "-I believe in evolution = humans"
Where is that not compatible with Jewish naturalist Humanist teachings that God (creations source of being)is not a man nor form?
*
The name of the holy city YeruShalem is named after that Essence we Jews call God.
Shalem** means to be complete and whole and stable=evolve. The Numeric Gematria for God and nature are the same. It's just we believe in describing that Essence, Reflecting and Manifesting it to be in the right(eous) path towards where we need to be in line with our creation instead of opposition to it. Without learning from history-human behavior and defining creation how fo you know right from wrong, good from bad and in line or opposition with your purpose in life. So when you do things in hindering or opposition to removing false worship or false teachings and fake history then you are no better then that behavior in our politics that obstructs and hinders our makining the country better where we should and could be not where naysayers had us and would have us.
*Sources:
Isaiah 42:8 we can't pray to any image of anything physical- Exodus 20:3-7 and Deuteronomy 5:8-10
God is not a man nor form-(Isaiah 2:22, 14:13, I Samuel 15:29, Numbers 23:19, and Hosea 11:9, Deuteronomy 4:11-12 and the 13 major principles of the Jewish faith based on the Rambam's teaching of "ain lo demus haguf ve'ayno guf" -- that Hashem has no physical form.)
**Source for Shalem:
YeruShalem would carry the name. (1 Kings 11:36,
Jeremiah 25:29 &
in dead sea scrolls: Words of the Archangel Michael scroll 4Q529, 6Q23)
The Gemarah (Baba Batra 75) Tells us Jerusalem is named after G0D and is the place commemorating his name and essence. In Sefer D’varim (12:5, 11, 14, 18, 21; 14:23,24, 25; 15:20; 16:2, 6, 7, 11, 15, 16; 17:8, 10; 18:6; 26:2; 31:11).the place that I will choose to place My Name. That is referring to YeruShalem because Sifri identifies the place which Hashem will choose (12:18) as “Yerushalayim”.

to me the bible is just another book written by humans

 

[hobelim]

been over this a million times
.....YOU people have to prove it--not I to disprove--like court cases the state claims someone did something, the state HAS to prove it or it's bullshit--you people INITIALLY made the claim
..also--I can claim all kinds of bullshit:
I went to the moon and jesus served me breakfast
Elvis came to me and told me the Ten Commandments
etc

Yeah, sure, but the Bible does not just make claims about God. It gives clear instructions to follow, a specific way to verify those claims, but that is not something that someone else can do for you.

You have to do it for yourself.

For instance, it is written that the pure of mind will see God. You might demand proof from someone else that this is true, but if you do not purify and refine your own mind, you will see and understand nothing.

Even if a dead person should rise from the same grave you are sleeping in and started talking to you, you would still see and understand nothing.


The more you purify and refine your mind the better you will understand the extraterrestrial language of the prophets. The more you understand the language of the prophets the more your perception of time and life itself will change and the better you will know what to do. The more you apply your mind to understand, the more you will become a new creature, 'like one of us', knowing good and evil.

If you learn to choose good and reject evil, only then you will gain the ability to see and hear God, and what has always been right in front of your own nose.

.....and the muslims/hindus/etc have their ''guide books/etc...these same ''instructions'' are not exclusive to the Bible ..I can come up with the same stuff

Yes, other religions have their guide books but they are not all the same, nether have you come up with the same stuff.

Here we are 6000 years after the law was given as a light to the nations and most people on earth still do not understand the importance of standing guard over the purity of their own mind or the danger of losing their sanity, sometimes for life, for failing to do so.

..it's all made up by man--not god
....the Jews don't believe jesus is god-etc/the christians do/the muslims something else/the atheist/etc = all man made and nobody knows anything

lol.. So man never had an intelligent thought worth writing down? Nobody knows anything? Wow. The world must be a fucked up place to you.

Your problem is that you are lazy.

You never bothered to think very deeply enough about it to differentiate between one writing or another so you have taken the easy way out, its all bullshit.. Brilliant!

But since you may not live long enough to come up with this on your own, I will tell you.

some teaching is clean, some teaching is unclean.

 

[harmonica]

been over this a million times
.....YOU people have to prove it--not I to disprove--like court cases the state claims someone did something, the state HAS to prove it or it's bullshit--you people INITIALLY made the claim
..also--I can claim all kinds of bullshit:
I went to the moon and jesus served me breakfast
Elvis came to me and told me the Ten Commandments
etc

Yeah, sure, but the Bible does not just make claims about God. It gives clear instructions to follow, a specific way to verify those claims, but that is not something that someone else can do for you.

You have to do it for yourself.

For instance, it is written that the pure of mind will see God. You might demand proof from someone else that this is true, but if you do not purify and refine your own mind, you will see and understand nothing.

Even if a dead person should rise from the same grave you are sleeping in and started talking to you, you would still see and understand nothing.


The more you purify and refine your mind the better you will understand the extraterrestrial language of the prophets. The more you understand the language of the prophets the more your perception of time and life itself will change and the better you will know what to do. The more you apply your mind to understand, the more you will become a new creature, 'like one of us', knowing good and evil.

If you learn to choose good and reject evil, only then you will gain the ability to see and hear God, and what has always been right in front of your own nose.

.....and the muslims/hindus/etc have their ''guide books/etc...these same ''instructions'' are not exclusive to the Bible ..I can come up with the same stuff

Yes, other religions have their guide books but they are not all the same, nether have you come up with the same stuff.

Here we are 6000 years after the law was given as a light to the nations and most people on earth still do not understand the importance of standing guard over the purity of their own mind or the danger of losing their sanity, sometimes for life, for failing to do so.

..it's all made up by man--not god
....the Jews don't believe jesus is god-etc/the christians do/the muslims something else/the atheist/etc = all man made and nobody knows anything

lol.. So man never had an intelligent thought worth writing down?

Your problem is that you are lazy.

You never bothered to think very deeply enough about it to differentiate between one writing or another so you have taken the easy way out, its all bullshit.. Brilliant!

But since you may not live long enough to come up with this on your own, I will tell you.

some teaching is clean, some teaching is unclean.

your problem is you still think like a child --fairy tales

 

[hobelim]

Yeah, sure, but the Bible does not just make claims about God. It gives clear instructions to follow, a specific way to verify those claims, but that is not something that someone else can do for you.

You have to do it for yourself.

For instance, it is written that the pure of mind will see God. You might demand proof from someone else that this is true, but if you do not purify and refine your own mind, you will see and understand nothing.

Even if a dead person should rise from the same grave you are sleeping in and started talking to you, you would still see and understand nothing.


The more you purify and refine your mind the better you will understand the extraterrestrial language of the prophets. The more you understand the language of the prophets the more your perception of time and life itself will change and the better you will know what to do. The more you apply your mind to understand, the more you will become a new creature, 'like one of us', knowing good and evil.

If you learn to choose good and reject evil, only then you will gain the ability to see and hear God, and what has always been right in front of your own nose.

.....and the muslims/hindus/etc have their ''guide books/etc...these same ''instructions'' are not exclusive to the Bible ..I can come up with the same stuff

Yes, other religions have their guide books but they are not all the same, nether have you come up with the same stuff.

Here we are 6000 years after the law was given as a light to the nations and most people on earth still do not understand the importance of standing guard over the purity of their own mind or the danger of losing their sanity, sometimes for life, for failing to do so.

..it's all made up by man--not god
....the Jews don't believe jesus is god-etc/the christians do/the muslims something else/the atheist/etc = all man made and nobody knows anything

lol.. So man never had an intelligent thought worth writing down?

Your problem is that you are lazy.

You never bothered to think very deeply enough about it to differentiate between one writing or another so you have taken the easy way out, its all bullshit.. Brilliant!

But since you may not live long enough to come up with this on your own, I will tell you.

some teaching is clean, some teaching is unclean.

your problem is you still think like a child --fairy tales

So fairy tales are teaching nothing because nobody know anything?

lol....

You don't even think.


Hence the wisdom of God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.

 

[harmonica]

been over this a million times
.....YOU people have to prove it--not I to disprove--like court cases the state claims someone did something, the state HAS to prove it or it's bullshit--you people INITIALLY made the claim
..also--I can claim all kinds of bullshit:
I went to the moon and jesus served me breakfast
Elvis came to me and told me the Ten Commandments
etc

Yeah, sure, but the Bible does not just make claims about God. It gives clear instructions to follow, a specific way to verify those claims, but that is not something that someone else can do for you.

You have to do it for yourself.

For instance, it is written that the pure of mind will see God. You might demand proof from someone else that this is true, but if you do not purify and refine your own mind, you will see and understand nothing.

Even if a dead person should rise from the same grave you are sleeping in and started talking to you, you would still see and understand nothing.


The more you purify and refine your mind the better you will understand the extraterrestrial language of the prophets. The more you understand the language of the prophets the more your perception of time and life itself will change and the better you will know what to do. The more you apply your mind to understand, the more you will become a new creature, 'like one of us', knowing good and evil.

If you learn to choose good and reject evil, only then you will gain the ability to see and hear God, and what has always been right in front of your own nose.

.....and the muslims/hindus/etc have their ''guide books/etc...these same ''instructions'' are not exclusive to the Bible ..I can come up with the same stuff

Yes, other religions have their guide books but they are not all the same, nether have you come up with the same stuff.

Here we are 6000 years after the law was given as a light to the nations and most people on earth still do not understand the importance of standing guard over the purity of their own mind or the danger of losing their sanity, sometimes for life, for failing to do so.

..it's all made up by man--not god
....the Jews don't believe jesus is god-etc/the christians do/the muslims something else/the atheist/etc = all man made and nobody knows anything

lol.. So man never had an intelligent thought worth writing down? Nobody knows anything? Wow. The world must be a fucked up place to you.

Your problem is that you are lazy.

You never bothered to think very deeply enough about it to differentiate between one writing or another so you have taken the easy way out, its all bullshit.. Brilliant!

But since you may not live long enough to come up with this on your own, I will tell you.

some teaching is clean, some teaching is unclean.

This is the subject of kosher law.

I don't need other humans to tell me how to live/etc ....I'm not a slave to fairy tales

 

[hobelim]

Yeah, sure, but the Bible does not just make claims about God. It gives clear instructions to follow, a specific way to verify those claims, but that is not something that someone else can do for you.

You have to do it for yourself.

For instance, it is written that the pure of mind will see God. You might demand proof from someone else that this is true, but if you do not purify and refine your own mind, you will see and understand nothing.

Even if a dead person should rise from the same grave you are sleeping in and started talking to you, you would still see and understand nothing.


The more you purify and refine your mind the better you will understand the extraterrestrial language of the prophets. The more you understand the language of the prophets the more your perception of time and life itself will change and the better you will know what to do. The more you apply your mind to understand, the more you will become a new creature, 'like one of us', knowing good and evil.

If you learn to choose good and reject evil, only then you will gain the ability to see and hear God, and what has always been right in front of your own nose.

.....and the muslims/hindus/etc have their ''guide books/etc...these same ''instructions'' are not exclusive to the Bible ..I can come up with the same stuff

Yes, other religions have their guide books but they are not all the same, nether have you come up with the same stuff.

Here we are 6000 years after the law was given as a light to the nations and most people on earth still do not understand the importance of standing guard over the purity of their own mind or the danger of losing their sanity, sometimes for life, for failing to do so.

..it's all made up by man--not god
....the Jews don't believe jesus is god-etc/the christians do/the muslims something else/the atheist/etc = all man made and nobody knows anything

lol.. So man never had an intelligent thought worth writing down? Nobody knows anything? Wow. The world must be a fucked up place to you.

Your problem is that you are lazy.

You never bothered to think very deeply enough about it to differentiate between one writing or another so you have taken the easy way out, its all bullshit.. Brilliant!

But since you may not live long enough to come up with this on your own, I will tell you.

some teaching is clean, some teaching is unclean.

This is the subject of kosher law.

I don't need other humans to tell me how to live/etc ....I'm not a slave to fairy tales

goodie for you.

 

[harmonica]

.....and the muslims/hindus/etc have their ''guide books/etc...these same ''instructions'' are not exclusive to the Bible ..I can come up with the same stuff

Yes, other religions have their guide books but they are not all the same, nether have you come up with the same stuff.

Here we are 6000 years after the law was given as a light to the nations and most people on earth still do not understand the importance of standing guard over the purity of their own mind or the danger of losing their sanity, sometimes for life, for failing to do so.

..it's all made up by man--not god
....the Jews don't believe jesus is god-etc/the christians do/the muslims something else/the atheist/etc = all man made and nobody knows anything

lol.. So man never had an intelligent thought worth writing down?

Your problem is that you are lazy.

You never bothered to think very deeply enough about it to differentiate between one writing or another so you have taken the easy way out, its all bullshit.. Brilliant!

But since you may not live long enough to come up with this on your own, I will tell you.

some teaching is clean, some teaching is unclean.

your problem is you still think like a child --fairy tales

So fairy tales are teaching nothing because nobody know anything?

lol....

You don't even think.


Hence the wisdom of God in giving the command to refrain from the flesh of unclean creatures that do not ruminate.

you shar doo hav a lot of fancy words thar

 

[emilynghiem]

we've been over this before
plain and simple --you can't prove there is a god
.....we have NO idea what a god would be like--what the beginning of the Universe was like/etc ..it's all speculation-imagination----

So the universe having a beginning scares you

.....where do you people get the ''scare'' word from?? you don't have anything else, so you use that ..they use it in the race threads
....you make no sense and are just pulling crap out of the air--if anyone should be scared of no beginning, it would be you people

Probably because it makes no sense to deny the science like you are doing.

what science is that??
???!!!! what????

Exactly. You are so ignorant of the science that that is a you can say.

Dear ding
Aren't we all ignorant of the science, to varying degrees
and in various areas where we all specialize in different approaches.

Isn't it more effective that you and I, as fellow believers
in following the laws of God and teachings in Christ Jesus,
that we address our neighbors with respect and inclusion in God's Kingdom,
not seeking to compete, reject them or defend our own ego's
by diminishing someone else for shortcomings they might have as we all do.

Of course we all are lacking in knowledge, including you and me.
When is this a reason to be negative to one another?