Any Privacy Difference Between Nat. Voter Registry & Nat. Gun Registry?

[Timmy]

A firearms registry serves one purpose, to locate all the lawful weapons in the Country for a seizure at a later date.

You freaks believe that but don't believe these strict ID LAWS are designed to suppress votes!??

What planet are you on?

 

[postman]

and if they are stolen?

Or, if they are sold, and reported stolen?
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As I said. If they're reported stolen, the police would investigate the theft. If it turns out the person was lying about the gun being stolen, they would face multiple charges. So before selling it and reporting it stolen, they would have to at least break a window or door, or show signs of forcible entry, and a list of other property stolen.

 

[Rustic]

So how is a gun registry supposed to work when only people who don't break the law register their guns?

Guns do not start out being illegal. They become illegal when transferred to somebody who is not supposed to possess them.

By registering guns, and having to account for their disposal, you would know who the guns were transferred to, and then figure out if they had a legal right to possess them.

Enforce the laws on the books, new frivolous gun laws are unnecessary. A firearm registry is absolutely unconstitutional...
Criminals are called criminals because they perform criminal behavior thus, they do not obey laws. Jack weed

 

[2aguy]

Mandatory storage laws are UnConstitutional as per the D.C. v. Heller decision......

Safe Storage & Gun Locks | Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence

San Francisco prohibits any person from keeping a handgun within a residence unless the handgun is stored in a locked container or disabled with a trigger lock unless the handgun is carried on the person.42 Unlike the laws of some other jurisdictions, San Francisco does not exempt a person who keeps his or her handgun within his or her immediate control from the requirements of the statute.

The National Rifle Association and individual plaintiffs sued in federal court to overturn San Francisco’s safe storage law on Second Amendment grounds.43 The law was upheld by both the district court and the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. In upholding the law, the Ninth Circuit recognized that unlike the District of Columbia law at issue in Heller v. District of Columbia,44 the San Francisco ordinance does not prohibit a person from carrying a loaded handgun while in his or her home.

Sorry.....the 9th ignored Heller........and once we get enough Constitutional Justices on the court they will hopefully be smacked down......

Again....you morons focus on the people who are not using their guns for crimes....and letting the actual criminals who use guns for crime out of jail....

You truly are insane....

You are essentially Book Burners. You are the same type of individual who burned books because you didn't like what was written in them. Now, you have turned your insanity on gun owners....you hate gun owners, and every law you come up with pust normal, law abiding gun owners in legal jeapordy with laws that do nothing to stop criminals.....

 

[Auld Phart]

I believe a gun registry would cut down on straw purchases that lead to guns ending up in the hands of criminals . This is a major probleM in the us .

National vote registry ? I don't see how this would really help wh voter fraud (which is not a big issue unlike guns). Elections are virtually all local . What would the nat vote registry do exactly ?

I believe a gun registry would cut down on straw purchases that lead to guns ending up in the hands of criminals

How?

Treat guns like cars . The "title" follows the sale . Guns are born "legal". How do they end up in the hands of so many people who would come close to passing a background check?

If ms smith buys a gun for her drug dealer boyfriend , her name is on the title . He gets busted. Then she gets busted ! Less people will want to risk that.

She reports the gun stolen. Even if they catch her, prosecutors do not push those cases because juries don't want to put the baby momma in jail, especially after she says she only did it because the gang threatened to kill her if she didn't.

Most gun are stolen.....or bought through straw buyers....and are only in the hands of a criminal about 6 months before they are sold or traded......the average street life of an illegal gun is about 9 years........so you have no idea what you are talking about...

You really don't think the local PD doesnt know she's the girlfriend of the criminal ? He gets caught with that "stolen" gun, she has a lot of explaining to do.

not If she reports it as stolen.

as in, "I bought the gun for protection, and it vanished. I didn't know he was the one that stole it"

you really are a dunce, aren't you?

 

[Rustic]

A firearms registry serves one purpose, to locate all the lawful weapons in the Country for a seizure at a later date.

You freaks believe that but don't believe these strict ID LAWS are designed to suppress votes!??

What planet are you on?

Are you helpless? To get an ID is free and takes no time... you need to quit falling down the well

 

[2aguy]

and if they are stolen?

Or, if they are sold, and reported stolen?
.

As I said. If they're reported stolen, the police would investigate the theft. If it turns out the person was lying about the gun being stolen, they would face multiple charges. So before selling it and reporting it stolen, they would have to at least break a window or door, or show signs of forcible entry, and a list of other property stolen.

Yes.....you must punish the sinner, the one who was a normal, law abiding gun owner...who has to prove his innocence in exercising his Right.......you already have the actual criminal in custody, who you will let out on bail....and will sentence to less than 3 years, if that....but you will have taken away the Right to own guns forever from the law abiding gun owner....

You are insane....irrational and insane.

 

[postman]

Who cares if the ID is expired ? You are making people jump thru hoops for no reason .

If you think about it, why should an ID expire? Do you have to get a new copy of your birth certificate every 10 years, because the old one expired.

Does your social security card expire after 10 years?

 

[Auld Phart]

A firearms registry serves one purpose, to locate all the lawful weapons in the Country for a seizure at a later date.

You freaks believe that but don't believe these strict ID LAWS are designed to suppress votes!??

What planet are you on?

Earth.

What planet are you on?

 

[Timmy]

National vote registry ? I don't see how this would really help wh voter fraud (which is not a big issue unlike guns). Elections are virtually all local . What would the nat vote registry do exactly ?

National gun registry, would cut down on crime.

National voter registry, would cut down on votes.

It would not cut down on crime....you can't show that it would....you are talking out of your ass, and that isn't even funny when Jim Carrey used to do it...

Sure I could . When you compare similar gun nut states to similar gun control states you see the difference in gun crime .

You gun nuts will be slick and compare empty states like Vermont wh giant city States like New York . Never apples to apples .

 

[2aguy]

and if they are stolen?

Or, if they are sold, and reported stolen?
.

As I said. If they're reported stolen, the police would investigate the theft. If it turns out the person was lying about the gun being stolen, they would face multiple charges. So before selling it and reporting it stolen, they would have to at least break a window or door, or show signs of forcible entry, and a list of other property stolen.

They don't investigate current robberies past taking the report you moron. You have the guy who can't legally buy, own or carry the gun......focus on him...and you solve the crime problem....

 

[Rustic]

Come now, don't stomp conservative's argument against all gun control into the ground with a coherent argument like this OP.

If you take away the wiggle room in their fantasy world they'll just get violent. And the orange-turd will proclaim "punch him in the face, I'll pay your legal bills".

Sounds like you're a Bernie Sanders supporter?

 

[2aguy]

National vote registry ? I don't see how this would really help wh voter fraud (which is not a big issue unlike guns). Elections are virtually all local . What would the nat vote registry do exactly ?

National gun registry, would cut down on crime.

National voter registry, would cut down on votes.

It would not cut down on crime....you can't show that it would....you are talking out of your ass, and that isn't even funny when Jim Carrey used to do it...

Sure I could . When you compare similar gun nut states to similar gun control states you see the difference in gun crime .

You gun nuts will be slick and compare empty states like Vermont wh giant city States like New York . Never apples to apples .

Nope.....we compare the United States....and what has actually happened..instead of cherry picking like you do....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

 

[Timmy]

I believe a gun registry would cut down on straw purchases that lead to guns ending up in the hands of criminals . This is a major probleM in the us .

National vote registry ? I don't see how this would really help wh voter fraud (which is not a big issue unlike guns). Elections are virtually all local . What would the nat vote registry do exactly ?

I believe a gun registry would cut down on straw purchases that lead to guns ending up in the hands of criminals

How?

Treat guns like cars . The "title" follows the sale . Guns are born "legal". How do they end up in the hands of so many people who would come close to passing a background check?

If ms smith buys a gun for her drug dealer boyfriend , her name is on the title . He gets busted. Then she gets busted ! Less people will want to risk that.

Quit falling down the well, no one has a right to cars Dipshit.
Any type of firearm registry of any sort is absolutely unconstitutional… So go back and hide in your mothers basement little Nutter....

It's an analogy jackass. Auto registrations have all but eliminated auto theft .

 

[postman]

Are you helpless? To get an ID is free and takes no time... you need to quit falling down the well

The average wait at a DMV is 1-2 hours, and the average distance from 10 - 100 miles. A pretty rough trek for somebody in a wheel chair. Or an elderly person with a walker whose medicare covers transportation to the hospital or clinic, but not to motorvehicles.

 

[Dan Stubbs]

This brand new emphasis to stop any and all voter fraud across the nation by the Federal gov'mint gathering ALL State voter information and making that registry public just might be a solution to get rid of some of that type of lawless activity! Yes, if dealt with correctly and not used for nefarious purposes like voter suppression or intimidation, it could be a good thing to cleanup all of those dozens of voter fraud incidents every decade across the Nation!

That call for voter information got me to thinking if it might not be appropriate to do exactly the same for those gun owners out there to register all their various firearms, with all the data per weapon, location, rounds per weapon on hand, rounds fired per week, all licensing data, etc, etc, with the Federal gov,mint and make that National Gun Registry just as public and transparent as the National Voter Registry.

If a National Voter Registry can reduce the incidence of voter fraud just by being compiled and made public, then a National Gun Registry could reduce violent gun crime and death to innocent voters by being compiled and made public, too! Hey...same logic right? Imagine the lives that could be saved of voters walking to the polls in Chicago!

What could possibly go wrong with both of those plans being implemented?

They tried a gun reg and it did not work well because of pvt sale of guns leaves not trail except to the ori owner. I have tried to trace many weapons and most just come to a dead end.

 

[2aguy]

I believe a gun registry would cut down on straw purchases that lead to guns ending up in the hands of criminals . This is a major probleM in the us .

National vote registry ? I don't see how this would really help wh voter fraud (which is not a big issue unlike guns). Elections are virtually all local . What would the nat vote registry do exactly ?

I believe a gun registry would cut down on straw purchases that lead to guns ending up in the hands of criminals

How?

Treat guns like cars . The "title" follows the sale . Guns are born "legal". How do they end up in the hands of so many people who would come close to passing a background check?

If ms smith buys a gun for her drug dealer boyfriend , her name is on the title . He gets busted. Then she gets busted ! Less people will want to risk that.

Quit falling down the well, no one has a right to cars Dipshit.
Any type of firearm registry of any sort is absolutely unconstitutional… So go back and hide in your mothers basement little Nutter....

It's an analogy jackass. Auto registrations have all but eliminated auto theft .

How the fuck do you figure that?

Pulling crap our of your ass is not making a point.

 

[2aguy]

Are you helpless? To get an ID is free and takes no time... you need to quit falling down the well

The average wait at a DMV is 1-2 hours, and the average distance from 10 - 100 miles. A pretty rough trek for somebody in a wheel chair. Or an elderly person with a walker whose medicare covers transportation to the hospital or clinic, but not to motorvehicles.

They go to your home........with the ID....and it is free..........

How do these elderly people cash checks or access their money in their bank accounts genius?

 

[Timmy]

National vote registry ? I don't see how this would really help wh voter fraud (which is not a big issue unlike guns). Elections are virtually all local . What would the nat vote registry do exactly ?

National gun registry, would cut down on crime.

National voter registry, would cut down on votes.

It would not cut down on crime....you can't show that it would....you are talking out of your ass, and that isn't even funny when Jim Carrey used to do it...

Sure I could . When you compare similar gun nut states to similar gun control states you see the difference in gun crime .

You gun nuts will be slick and compare empty states like Vermont wh giant city States like New York . Never apples to apples .

Nope.....we compare the United States....and what has actually happened..instead of cherry picking like you do....

We went from 200 million guns in private hands in the 1990s and 4.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 1997...to close to 400-600 million guns in private hands and over 15.7 million people carrying guns for self defense in 2017...guess what happened...


-- gun murder down 49%
--gun crime down 75%
--violent crime down 72%

Gun Homicide Rate Down 49% Since 1993 Peak; Public Unaware

Compared with 1993, the peak of U.S. gun homicides, the firearm homicide rate was 49% lower in 2010, and there were fewer deaths, even though the nation’s population grew. The victimization rate for other violent crimes with a firearm—assaults, robberies and sex crimes—was 75% lower in 2011 than in 1993. Violent non-fatal crime victimization overall (with or without a firearm) also is down markedly (72%) over two decades.

What'd I say . You would compare apples to apples .

Let's say Massachusetts vs Arizona ? About the same population, with some large cities thrown in.

 

[Rustic]

National vote registry ? I don't see how this would really help wh voter fraud (which is not a big issue unlike guns). Elections are virtually all local . What would the nat vote registry do exactly ?

National gun registry, would cut down on crime.

National voter registry, would cut down on votes.

It would not cut down on crime....you can't show that it would....you are talking out of your ass, and that isn't even funny when Jim Carrey used to do it...

Sure I could . When you compare similar gun nut states to similar gun control states you see the difference in gun crime .

You gun nuts will be slick and compare empty states like Vermont wh giant city States like New York . Never apples to apples .

Shit for brains, rural areas have many, many more firearms than they do people… Guess what… Violent crime is almost unheard of in these areas. Quit falling down the well