Apartheid Israel

[P F Tinmore]

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[docmauser1]

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Benny Morris said once that, "The Palestinian Authority (PA) has emerged as a virtual kingdom of mendacity, where every official, from President Arafat [and now Abu Mazen] down, spends his days lying to a succession of western journalists.".

 

[FrankZapper]

That anyone even feels the need to defend Israel in a thread about apartheid shows their acceptance that Israel is an apartheid regime.

 

[georgephillip]

Welcome to the nuthouse where us inmates call the shots, Frank.

I think anyone feeling the need to defend Israel in a thread like this at least recognizes the fact that millions of people regard Israel as an apartheid state.

One of our biggest problems here is getting the opposition to consider the sources being used. Many of us (myself included) have a tendency to dismiss opposing sources as "biased" instead of doing the necessary research to refute the sources' actual content.

With that in mind I'll offer one of my "bogus" sources' views on Israel's missing constitution:

"Second, it is odd that Rabbi Hurvitz brings up the Constitution, given that Israel itself has deliberately chosen not to adopt one – a far cry from the US system, in which fundamental principles and rights were codified at the very beginning of our national existence and can only be modified through a long and tedious process of public involvement."

I can't help believing if all the citizens of Israel were to venture into that "long and tedious process of public involvement" required to hammer out the fundamental rights and privileges all Israelis were entitled to, the Jewish State would not survive in its present form.

What Our Taxes...

 

[Jroc]

In 1948 Israel and Palestine declared statehood. The imperial powers sided with Israel and left the natives to eat dirt like imperial powers always do to the natives.

How so? They recognized Israel for the most part, But how else did they side with the Jews? The Arabs had much more manpower and superior weapons. How do you figure Israel had the advantage in 1948? Also why after the war did not the Arabs in Jordan and Egypt let the so-called "Palestians" have their own country at that time? I submit to you that if there were no Jewish state, there still would be no "Palestinian" State. The area would just have been divided up between Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, Thus The "Palestinian " people would never even have been created

 

[FrankZapper]

In 1948 Israel and Palestine declared statehood. The imperial powers sided with Israel and left the natives to eat dirt like imperial powers always do to the natives.

How so? They recognized Israel for the most part, But how else did they side with the Jews? The Arabs had much more manpower and superior weapons. How do you figure Israel had the advantage in 1948? Also why after the war did not the Arabs in Jordan and Egypt let the so-called "Palestians" have their own country at that time? I submit to you that if there were no Jewish state, there still would be no "Palestinian" State. The area would just have been divided up between Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, Thus The "Palestinian " people would never even have been created

Even if there was no Palestinian state, the people who owned the land and houses that Israel now sits on would still be living there and wouldn't have had their land stolen.

 

[Marc39]

In 1948 Israel and Palestine declared statehood. The imperial powers sided with Israel and left the natives to eat dirt like imperial powers always do to the natives.

How so? They recognized Israel for the most part, But how else did they side with the Jews? The Arabs had much more manpower and superior weapons. How do you figure Israel had the advantage in 1948? Also why after the war did not the Arabs in Jordan and Egypt let the so-called "Palestians" have their own country at that time? I submit to you that if there were no Jewish state, there still would be no "Palestinian" State. The area would just have been divided up between Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria, Thus The "Palestinian " people would never even have been created

Even if there was no Palestinian state, the people who owned the land and houses that Israel now sits on would still be living there and wouldn't have had their land stolen.

Muslims stole 99.9 percent of the Middle East.
Muslim conquests - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Allah says Jews own the Holy Land.
Quran 5:20-21...

Remember Moses said to his people: 'O my people! Recall in remembrance the favor of Allah unto you, when He produced prophets among you, made you kings, and gave you what He had not given to any other among the peoples. O my people! Enter the holy land which Allah hath assigned unto you, and turn not back ignominiously, for then will ye be overthrown, to your own ruin.

 

[Marc39]

That anyone even feels the need to defend Israel in a thread about apartheid shows their acceptance that Israel is an apartheid regime.

The UN ranks Israel among the 15 best, free-est, countries in the world to live in, among 170 countries.

Suck on that, sucka.

The UN ranks Israel among the 15 best countries to live in (out of 170 countries) and with the highest qualities of life, emphasizing political and cultural freedom, education, life expectancy and income, ahead of Finland, Belgium, Denmark, Spain, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, Austria and the United Kingdom.

Human Development is a development paradigm that is about much more than the rise or fall of national incomes. It is about creating an environment in which people can develop their full potential and lead productive, creative lives in accord with their needs and interests. People are the real wealth of nations. Development is thus about expanding the choices people have to lead lives that they value. And it is thus about much more than economic growth, which is only a means —if a very important one —of enlarging people’s choices.
Fundamental to enlarging these choices is building human capabilities —the range of things that people can do or be in life. The most basic capabilities for human development are to lead long and healthy lives, to be knowledgeable, to have access to the resources needed for a decent standard of living and to be able to participate in the life of the community. Without these, many choices are simply not available, and many opportunities in life remain inaccessible.

Statistics | Human Development Reports (HDR) | United Nations Development Programme (UNDP)

 

[georgephillip]

When did Israel adopt its Constitution?

 

[Marc39]

When did Israel adopt its Constitution?

Uneducated one, the Israeli High Court elevated its Basic Laws to constitutional status in the 1990s.

In contrast, the UK remains without a constitution.

Georgie gets smacked down, again

 

[georgephillip]

Does the Basic Law require citizens to carry ID cards that denote their religious background?

 

[Marc39]

Does the Basic Law require citizens to carry ID cards that denote their religious background?

Basic Laws require freedom and equality of all Israeli citizens, the only country in the fascist Arab Muslim Middle East that recognizes freedom and equality.

Arab American Journalist Joseph Farah: Why Arabs Love Israel

Far from being mistreated, the Arab population in Israel and in the territories administered by Israel has been freer than the population in any Arab state. Arabs in Israel vote. They elect leaders to the Knesset. They have their own political parties. They have their own newspapers. They have full rights to citizenship. They are free to speak their minds. As an Arab-American journalist who has spent a good deal of time covering the region, I can tell you there is more freedom for Arabs in Israel than in any Arab state.

Land cannot possibly be the contentious issue as the Arab and Muslim states in the region already have 800 times as much territory as Israel. The Arabs have 50 times the population of Israel. The Arabs have all of the oil reserves of the region. They have 21 states of their own – all varying shades of police states. It's difficult to imagine how one more will bring peace to a region that has known some of the most devastating and costly wars of the last century.

If conditions for Arabs are so bad in Israel, why is the Arab population exploding -- and I don't mean because of suicide bombers? Why do Arabs continue to flock to the tiny Jewish state from virtually every Arab and Muslim land in the world? In 1949, the Arab population of Israel was about 160,000. Today, it is over 1.2 million. This is hardly attributable to higher birth rates. Most of the growth in Arab population is due to migration. In other words, Arabs are picking up stakes in Arab lands and choosing to live in Israel.
This trend, of course, doesn't include Arab Jewish migration to Israel. No one talks about the staggering number of Arab Jewish refugees – as many as 1 million – who fled the Muslim world with little more than the clothes on their backs to reach the safety and security of the Jewish state in the last 50 years. We're led to believe Arabs hate Israel – and, indeed, it's true there is an irrational, inexplicable form of virulent anti-Semitism growing in the Arab and Muslim world. But when they vote with their feet, Arabs seem to love Israel. They continue to choose it as a place to live over life in their native countries as they have for the last half-century.

Why Arabs love Israel

 

[georgephillip]

"Let me begin with the official Israeli definition of the term 'Jewish', illustrating the crucial difference between Israel as 'a Jewish state' and the majority of other states.

"By this official definition, Israel 'belongs' to persons who are defined by the Israeli authorities as 'Jewish', irrespective of where they live, and to them alone.

"On the other hand, Israel doesn't officially 'belong' to its non-Jewish citizens, whose status is considered even officially as inferior."

What makes Jews superior human beings?

Jewish History...

 

[Marc39]

"Let me begin with the official Israeli definition of the term 'Jewish

The official Israeli definition is freedom and equality of all Israeli citizens.

The UN, which ranks Israel as among the 15 best, and free-est, countries to live in, agrees.

The UN ranks Israel among the 15 best countries to live in (out of 170 countries) and with the highest qualities of life, emphasizing political and cultural freedom, education, life expectancy and income, ahead of Finland, Belgium, Denmark, Spain, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, Austria and the United Kingdom.

Human Development is a development paradigm that is about much more than the rise or fall of national incomes. It is about creating an environment in which people can develop their full potential and lead productive, creative lives in accord with their needs and interests. People are the real wealth of nations. Development is thus about expanding the choices people have to lead lives that they value. And it is thus about much more than economic growth, which is only a means —if a very important one —of enlarging people’s choices.
Fundamental to enlarging these choices is building human capabilities —the range of things that people can do or be in life. The most basic capabilities for human development are to lead long and healthy lives, to be knowledgeable, to have access to the resources needed for a decent standard of living and to be able to participate in the life of the community. Without these, many choices are simply not available, and many opportunities in life remain inaccessible.

Statistics | Human Development Reports (HDR) | United Nations Development Programme (UNDP)

 

[Jroc]

"Let me begin with the official Israeli definition of the term 'Jewish', illustrating the crucial difference between Israel as 'a Jewish state' and the majority of other states.

"By this official definition, Israel 'belongs' to persons who are defined by the Israeli authorities as 'Jewish', irrespective of where they live, and to them alone.

"On the other hand, Israel doesn't officially 'belong' to its non-Jewish citizens, whose status is considered even officially as inferior."
What makes Jews superior human beings?

That’s bull.. Nowhere in Jewish teaching does it say that Jews are superior to anybody other people, They just have a special responsibility to keep God's convenient. I don't care what you're Jew hating website says. Don't try that Nazi bullshit on me you friken idiot

 

[Marc39]

"Let me begin with the official Israeli definition of the term 'Jewish', illustrating the crucial difference between Israel as 'a Jewish state' and the majority of other states.

"By this official definition, Israel 'belongs' to persons who are defined by the Israeli authorities as 'Jewish', irrespective of where they live, and to them alone.

"On the other hand, Israel doesn't officially 'belong' to its non-Jewish citizens, whose status is considered even officially as inferior."
What makes Jews superior human beings?

That’s bull.. Nowhere in Jewish teaching does it say that Jews are superior to anybody other people, They just have a special responsibility to keep God's convenient. I don't care what you're Jew hating website says. Don't try that Nazi bullshit on me you friken idiot

But, everyone knows Jews are superior, especially compared to the genetic mutants here.

Warren Buffett, Multi-Billion Dollar Purchase of Successful Israeli Company...

Israel is exceptional. I can give you an absolute, unequivocal answer. You can go around the world and it's very impressive to see a country of 7 million create a business like this, I haven't seen anything like this in the US.

When you think about it, if you compare Israel (now) to 1948, it's very, very impressive. It's a remarkable place

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[Marc39]

""On the other hand, Israel doesn't officially 'belong' to its non-Jewish citizens, whose status is considered even officially as inferior."

What makes Jews superior human beings?

Does Greece belong to its non-Greek Orthodox citizens, dummy?

Does England belong to its non-Church of England citizens, moron?

Does Italy belong to its non-Catholic citizens, fool?

Do the 60 Muslim countries belong to their non-Muslim citizens, idiot?

No wonder you have no reputational points, stooge.

 

[Jroc]

But, everyone knows Jews are superior, especially compared to the genetic mutants here.

Warren Buffett, Multi-Billion Dollar Purchase of Successful Israeli Company

Never said they didn't work hard to achieve what they have throughout history. That’s the reason they have so many jealous haters out there. But they don't consider themselves to be genetically superior, and that friken idiot Georgie puts that out there like that pisses me off. 6 million Jews were murdered because of thinking like that I’m not gonna put up with that kind of shit

 

[Marc39]

But, everyone knows Jews are superior, especially compared to the genetic mutants here.

Warren Buffett, Multi-Billion Dollar Purchase of Successful Israeli Company

Never said they didn't work hard to achieve what they have throughout history. That’s the reason they have so many jealous haters out there. But they don't consider themselves to be genetically superior and that friken idiot Georgie to put that out there like that pisses me off million Jews were murder because of thinking like that I’m not gonna put up with that kind of shit

Jews' long record of achievement is due to more than hard work. Jews are intellectually superior.

 

[Jroc]

But, everyone knows Jews are superior, especially compared to the genetic mutants here.

Warren Buffett, Multi-Billion Dollar Purchase of Successful Israeli Company

Never said they didn't work hard to achieve what they have throughout history. That’s the reason they have so many jealous haters out there. But they don't consider themselves to be genetically superior and that friken idiot Georgie to put that out there like that pisses me off million Jews were murder because of thinking like that I’m not gonna put up with that kind of shit

Jews' long record of achievement is due to more than hard work. Jews are intellectually superior.

Well.. That may or may not be true, but like I said there is nothing in Jewish doctrine or law that says that they are better then any other race of people. Maybe Georgie boy should worry more about Arab apartheid of other Arabs, Of course he totally ignores that


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