Are Children A Part Of The Gay Marriage Conversation?

To what degree are children a part of the gay-marriage conversation?

  • They are THE concern of marriage. Marriage was mainly created for their benefit after all.

    Votes: 7 63.6%
  • Part of the conversation for sure. But in the end the adult civil rights trump them.

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Somewhat part of the conversation, but only a secondary role.

    Votes: 2 18.2%
  • Marriage is for and about adults. Kids will accept what they have to.

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Not sure

    Votes: 1 9.1%

  • Total voters
    11
I am stating a gay guy in a speedo at a pride parade is not a reason to prohibit gay couples from getting married and adopting children, just as a straight woman flashing her breasts at a Martigras parade is not a reason to prohibit straight couples from getting married and adopting children.

Enjoy your double-standard. Clinging to it is why your side keeps losing.

No double standard, I just do not agree with you ShackledNation, I do not think 9 year old boys adopted boys should be taken to Gay Pride parades with Daddy and Daddy/Mommy.

It is not about men in speedos, its about men wearing thongs and jock straps in public while simulating sex as well as participating in sex. Yes some people do not see that as a sign, that these men are doing things 99% of men are not willing to do, and at that a majority of Homosexuals do not parade in public, strictly as a sexual thrill.

Yes, sex, so many bad aspects, from pain to blood, scat, you name it. How much do Children need to be exposed to, at a young age, before they develop.

Is it proper to allow two men to adopt 9 year old boys, no matter what type of sex they practice and how freely, how openly they practice.

What do we force upon children, at that other people's children, people who may have died, their children are now being forced into a homosexual "family".

This is not a debate about should something happen, like men adopting boys.

It has already happened, Homosexual Men are adopting 9 year old boys.

Man Man relationships, where the Daddy is in his 60's and Daddy's boy Husband is in his 20's. They have adopted a boy that is like 5 years old. I will have to link to the story.

This is what ShackledNation believes is right.

Such an age difference, the old guy can die, or in this case he went to Jail for having Child Porn. Now what happens to the child.

and I know, shacklednation believes this is okay because we are playing, "cards", google is his, "deck". Heterosexual crime is the "wild card".

sick
Then don't take your kids to a pride parade or to Mardigras. Unfortunately, absolutely nothing you said is even relevant to my argument. Once again, a gay guy in a speedo or a thong or a jock or whatever at a pride parade is not a reason to prohibit gay couples from getting married and adopting children, just as a straight woman flashing her breasts at a Martigras parade is not a reason to prohibit straight couples from getting married and adopting children.
 
Yep, even when specifically debating an issue within Homosexuality, Man and Man adopting 9 year old boys, the Activist dictates the discussion must only be about Heterosexuals.

There will be no, First Amendment Rights, Heterosexuals are not allowed Free Speech. You will be talked down to, you will be dictated to, you will be demeaned, you will be called foul nasty names, you will be intimidated.

Yes, the Activist have the power.

Heterosexual's is the issue in this discussion, if a Heterosexual has ever committed a crime then Homosexual Men have the Right to adopt a Heterosexual's child, and teach him the way Daddy and Daddy live.

That is exactly what ShackledBrain/Nation is stating.

No, that isn't anything akin to what he was saying.

You also don't seem to understand free speech either. I'll clear it up...

Bigot: I think fags are sick
Not bigots: You are an asshole

This is not your free speech being infringed upon. This would be:

Bigot: I think fags are sick
Government: You're under arrest

Understand now?
 
So, now that all this is settled, Children are not part of the conversation,

Still, I wonder, how will a child react, knowing one daddy is the top, the other is the bottom, how will that child react if his biological father is the bottom, or how will the child react if he is adopted into this situation.

Children are curious things, we discover stuff as children, we figure things out.

But just for this conversation we will pretend all heterosexuals are bad and sex in a homosexual "family" is the best kept secret in the world, sound proof walls and all.

Oh, children will be part of the conversation..,just not in the way bigots would like. Ask Justice Kennedy...

"DOMA humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives."
 
The far right cannot point out any serious methodological flaws on this issue.

I agree we should pursue all predatory adults who victimize children, but one cannot single out and demonize same sex attackers without using thee same methodology to demonize heterosexual attackers.

Since we will not ending marriage at all (quite the contrary), the solution is to go after the abusers even harder.
 
Yep, even when specifically debating an issue within Homosexuality, Man and Man adopting 9 year old boys, the Activist dictates the discussion must only be about Heterosexuals.

There will be no, First Amendment Rights, Heterosexuals are not allowed Free Speech. You will be talked down to, you will be dictated to, you will be demeaned, you will be called foul nasty names, you will be intimidated.

Yes, the Activist have the power.

Heterosexual's is the issue in this discussion, if a Heterosexual has ever committed a crime then Homosexual Men have the Right to adopt a Heterosexual's child, and teach him the way Daddy and Daddy live.

That is exactly what ShackledBrain/Nation is stating.

Horse crap, Elektra. You are claiming that an open discussion that includes ALL predators, gay and straight, is somehow ending your 1st amendment right to focus on gays and ignore straights.

Shackled is saying that adults have the right to marry and have children.
 
So, now that all this is settled, Children are not part of the conversation,

Still, I wonder, how will a child react, knowing one daddy is the top, the other is the bottom, how will that child react if his biological father is the bottom, or how will the child react if he is adopted into this situation.

Children are curious things, we discover stuff as children, we figure things out.

But just for this conversation we will pretend all heterosexuals are bad and sex in a homosexual "family" is the best kept secret in the world, sound proof walls and all.

Oh, children will be part of the conversation..,just not in the way bigots would like. Ask Justice Kennedy...

"DOMA humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives."

Sotomayor and Kennedy are the justices the bigots hate, rightfully so, from their twisted point of view.
 
No, they are valid. Calling studies that disprove your bias bogus is typical of close-minded individuals.

They are bogus. They all have serious methodological flaws. They're propaganda.
Do they? Here is one study.
Children of same-sex couples are happier and healthier than peers research shows - The Washington Post

Please point out the serious methodological flaws, if you can that is.

Kaz has already done that.
No he hasn't. Pathetic attempt at a dodge.

All the gay parenting studies are flawed The Daily Caller

https://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/...ocs/issues/v14n2/Vol. 14, No. 2, 5 Kilgus.pdf

Impact of Same-Sex Parenting on Children Evaluating the Research

Among the problems cited are the following:
  • Non-Representative Samples
  • Convenience Samples
  • Failure to Reflect Diversity
  • Small Samples
  • False Negatives
  • Inconsistent or Non-Existent Comparison Groups
 
Regent and Heritage is like bripat the anarcho commie using Marxist literature for his pet beliefs.
 
So, now that all this is settled, Children are not part of the conversation,

Still, I wonder, how will a child react, knowing one daddy is the top, the other is the bottom, how will that child react if his biological father is the bottom, or how will the child react if he is adopted into this situation.

Children are curious things, we discover stuff as children, we figure things out.

But just for this conversation we will pretend all heterosexuals are bad and sex in a homosexual "family" is the best kept secret in the world, sound proof walls and all.

Oh, children will be part of the conversation..,just not in the way bigots would like. Ask Justice Kennedy...

"DOMA humiliates tens of thousands of children now being raised by same-sex couples. The law in question makes it even more difficult for the children to understand the integrity and closeness of their own family and its concord with other families in their community and in their daily lives."

But, by golly, everytime I go to a gay pride parade, I see all these kids. I mean, the little buggers are just all over the place. I can't even find a good spot for my folding chair and cooler of beer. It just ruins the whole experience. (-:
 
So, now that all this is settled, Children are not part of the conversation,

Still, I wonder, how will a child react, knowing one daddy is the top, the other is the bottom, how will that child react if his biological father is the bottom, or how will the child react if he is adopted into this situation.

Children are curious things, we discover stuff as children, we figure things out.

But just for this conversation we will pretend all heterosexuals are bad and sex in a homosexual "family" is the best kept secret in the world, sound proof walls and all.

So, for the sake of honesty, do you tell your hypothetical children what you and your hypothetical wife do? Who is on top, who's on bottom, who initiates?

And if so, for fuck's sake, WHY?
 
Regent and Heritage is like bripat the anarcho commie using Marxist literature for his pet beliefs.

You're the one who posted Marxist propaganda to the forum, Fakey. No amount of diversion or verbal slight-of-hand is ever going to erase that stain from your history.
 
No, they are valid. Calling studies that disprove your bias bogus is typical of close-minded individuals.

They are bogus. They all have serious methodological flaws. They're propaganda.
Do they? Here is one study.
Children of same-sex couples are happier and healthier than peers research shows - The Washington Post

Please point out the serious methodological flaws, if you can that is.

Kaz has already done that.
No he hasn't. Pathetic attempt at a dodge.

All the gay parenting studies are flawed The Daily Caller

https://www.regent.edu/acad/schlaw/student_life/studentorgs/lawreview/docs/issues/v14n2/Vol. 14, No. 2, 5 Kilgus.pdf

Impact of Same-Sex Parenting on Children Evaluating the Research

Among the problems cited are the following:
  • Non-Representative Samples
  • Convenience Samples
  • Failure to Reflect Diversity
  • Small Samples
  • False Negatives
  • Inconsistent or Non-Existent Comparison Groups
Please specifically point out what is wrong with the study I listed. Show me where any of those problems occurred in the study. Or can you not actually think for yourself?
 
So, now that all this is settled, Children are not part of the conversation,

Still, I wonder, how will a child react, knowing one daddy is the top, the other is the bottom, how will that child react if his biological father is the bottom, or how will the child react if he is adopted into this situation.

Children are curious things, we discover stuff as children, we figure things out.

But just for this conversation we will pretend all heterosexuals are bad and sex in a homosexual "family" is the best kept secret in the world, sound proof walls and all.

So, for the sake of honesty, do you tell your hypothetical children what you and your hypothetical wife do? Who is on top, who's on bottom, who initiates?

And if so, for fuck's sake, WHY?
Children learn from there parents, directly or in directly.

Ricechickie clearly believes it's wrong for children to learn about sex at home. Thus, ricechickie is agreeing with me, children. can not be taught sex by two men

Should children learn how to procreate at home with mom and dad, according to ricechickie, that is wrong.

Ricechickie, your world is fantasy, children learn at home, intuitively, at the least.
 
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Yep, even when specifically debating an issue within Homosexuality, Man and Man adopting 9 year old boys, the Activist dictates the discussion must only be about Heterosexuals.

There will be no, First Amendment Rights, Heterosexuals are not allowed Free Speech. You will be talked down to, you will be dictated to, you will be demeaned, you will be called foul nasty names, you will be intimidated.

Yes, the Activist have the power.

Heterosexual's is the issue in this discussion, if a Heterosexual has ever committed a crime then Homosexual Men have the Right to adopt a Heterosexual's child, and teach him the way Daddy and Daddy live.

That is exactly what ShackledBrain/Nation is stating.

No, that isn't anything akin to what he was saying.

You also don't seem to understand free speech either. I'll clear it up...

Bigot: I think fags are sick
Not bigots: You are an asshole

This is not your free speech being infringed upon. This would be:

Bigot: I think fags are sick
Government: You're under arrest

Understand now?
Nor do you understand, he responded to the statement I made, hence I reference my statement, if he did not agree or disagree, if his statement has nothing to with mine, he should not include me in his statement.

I can only assume his argument is with my statement.
Further, said person is not quoting, hence his response is not a valid response to any single post here.

Speedos is what is being dictated to us, Speedos is just the tip of the Iceberg, said user is obfuscating facts and posts.

Either way, the user disagreed with my post, it is my post that is relevant in my response.
 
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So, now that all this is settled, Children are not part of the conversation,

Still, I wonder, how will a child react, knowing one daddy is the top, the other is the bottom, how will that child react if his biological father is the bottom, or how will the child react if he is adopted into this situation.

Children are curious things, we discover stuff as children, we figure things out.

But just for this conversation we will pretend all heterosexuals are bad and sex in a homosexual "family" is the best kept secret in the world, sound proof walls and all.

So, for the sake of honesty, do you tell your hypothetical children what you and your hypothetical wife do? Who is on top, who's on bottom, who initiates?

And if so, for fuck's sake, WHY?
Children learn from there parents, directly or in directly.

Ricechickie clearly believes it's wrong for children to learn about sex at home. Thus, ricechickie is agreeing with me, children. can not be taught sex by two men

Should children learn how to procreate at home with mom and dad, according to ricechickie, that is wrong.

Ricechickie, your world is fantasy, children learn at home, intuitively, at the least.

If you're teaching kids about procreation by showing them how mommy and daddy does "it", you're the last person that needs to talk about our kids and how we raise them.
 
Yep, even when specifically debating an issue within Homosexuality, Man and Man adopting 9 year old boys, the Activist dictates the discussion must only be about Heterosexuals.

There will be no, First Amendment Rights, Heterosexuals are not allowed Free Speech. You will be talked down to, you will be dictated to, you will be demeaned, you will be called foul nasty names, you will be intimidated.

Yes, the Activist have the power.

Heterosexual's is the issue in this discussion, if a Heterosexual has ever committed a crime then Homosexual Men have the Right to adopt a Heterosexual's child, and teach him the way Daddy and Daddy live.

That is exactly what ShackledBrain/Nation is stating.

No, that isn't anything akin to what he was saying.

You also don't seem to understand free speech either. I'll clear it up...

Bigot: I think fags are sick
Not bigots: You are an asshole

This is not your free speech being infringed upon. This would be:

Bigot: I think fags are sick
Government: You're under arrest

Understand now?
Nor do you understand, he responded to the statement I made, hence I reference my statement, if he did not agree or disagree, if his statement has nothing to with mine, he should not include me in his statement.

I can only assume his argument is with my statement.
Further, said person is not quoting, hence his response is not a valid response to any single post here.

Speedos is what is being dictated to us, Speedos is just the tip of the Iceberg, said user is obfuscating facts and posts.

Either way, the user disagreed with my post, it is my post that is relevant in my response.

Was that diatribe supposed to make sense? It certainly had nothing to do with your statements and my response to them.
 
So, now that all this is settled, Children are not part of the conversation,

Still, I wonder, how will a child react, knowing one daddy is the top, the other is the bottom, how will that child react if his biological father is the bottom, or how will the child react if he is adopted into this situation.

Children are curious things, we discover stuff as children, we figure things out.

But just for this conversation we will pretend all heterosexuals are bad and sex in a homosexual "family" is the best kept secret in the world, sound proof walls and all.

So, for the sake of honesty, do you tell your hypothetical children what you and your hypothetical wife do? Who is on top, who's on bottom, who initiates?

And if so, for fuck's sake, WHY?
Children learn from there parents, directly or in directly.

Ricechickie clearly believes it's wrong for children to learn about sex at home. Thus, ricechickie is agreeing with me, children. can not be taught sex by two men

Should children learn how to procreate at home with mom and dad, according to ricechickie, that is wrong.

Ricechickie, your world is fantasy, children learn at home, intuitively, at the least.

If you're teaching kids about procreation by showing them how mommy and daddy does "it", you're the last person that needs to talk about our kids and how we raise them.

So you agree, children should. not be in a home where they learn about man on man intercourse.
 
So, now that all this is settled, Children are not part of the conversation,

Still, I wonder, how will a child react, knowing one daddy is the top, the other is the bottom, how will that child react if his biological father is the bottom, or how will the child react if he is adopted into this situation.

Children are curious things, we discover stuff as children, we figure things out.

But just for this conversation we will pretend all heterosexuals are bad and sex in a homosexual "family" is the best kept secret in the world, sound proof walls and all.

So, for the sake of honesty, do you tell your hypothetical children what you and your hypothetical wife do? Who is on top, who's on bottom, who initiates?

And if so, for fuck's sake, WHY?
Children learn from there parents, directly or in directly.

Ricechickie clearly believes it's wrong for children to learn about sex at home. Thus, ricechickie is agreeing with me, children. can not be taught sex by two men

Should children learn how to procreate at home with mom and dad, according to ricechickie, that is wrong.

Ricechickie, your world is fantasy, children learn at home, intuitively, at the least.

Ricechickie clearly believes that learning about sex at home does not involve parental demonstrations.

What does elektra believe?
 

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