Are These Reasonable Regulations of Guns? or Harassment of Gun Owners?

Dude I alone have over a thousand magazines with over 28,000 rounds of ammo stored in one of my places and just for one of my rifles triple that for the others located in different places. years and years of buying 2 magazines and three boxes of ammo will get you a lot.

which is fine if you're holding off the indians in 1840...

They believe that means we are in charge

Which is what they WANT you to believe

Also you didn't say you have any 81mm mortars stockpiled, so you lost already.

it's just one infringement after the next around here...

I only said what I said about me just imagine millions more out there

F16 Fodder.....

So once again, our 2nd is infringed in so many GubMit ways , you folks have a hard time seeing the forest from the constitutional sleeze

Further, you'd THINK the NRA would be taking a stand on the guttural evisceration that's happened to the 2nd..?

show me.....

Guess they're more interested in gun sales, the 2nd serving them no more than a catalyst .....

Welcome to the new Orwellian order

~S~

:rofl:

You communists, always so convinced that the military will violate their oath and help you overthrow the Constitution...

I fear when the time comes, you will be sorely, and fatally, disappointed.

Wait a minute now. I am confused. Both sides are calling the other side Communists. Life just doesn't make any sense anymore. And it's too cold to go fishing to iron things out.

Do you know what Communism is, or what it entails?

Only one party seeks an authoritarian dictatorship when the means of production are controlled by the central authority based on socialist redistribution of wealth.

Calling Republicans "Communist" is utterly stupid, the act of a moron. Which is an apt description for democrats.

A couple of points here.

It hasn't been only the Lefties (notice I didn't say Liberals) that want to use the Military for their own ends. You can't count foreign wars (police actions) in on this. But it's been primarily the Rightees (notice I didn't say Conservatives) that scream to high heave that when the time comes, the US Military will side with them. So we can discount that idea completely from this discussion.
Absolutely wrong. People on the right don't want to use the military to enforce their ideas. That is solely the province of the left.

Because insisting the right would use the military to give people more freedom against their will is dumb as hell.
 
which is fine if you're holding off the indians in 1840...

Which is what they WANT you to believe

it's just one infringement after the next around here...

F16 Fodder.....

So once again, our 2nd is infringed in so many GubMit ways , you folks have a hard time seeing the forest from the constitutional sleeze

Further, you'd THINK the NRA would be taking a stand on the guttural evisceration that's happened to the 2nd..?

show me.....

Guess they're more interested in gun sales, the 2nd serving them no more than a catalyst .....

Welcome to the new Orwellian order

~S~

:rofl:

You communists, always so convinced that the military will violate their oath and help you overthrow the Constitution...

I fear when the time comes, you will be sorely, and fatally, disappointed.

Wait a minute now. I am confused. Both sides are calling the other side Communists. Life just doesn't make any sense anymore. And it's too cold to go fishing to iron things out.

Do you know what Communism is, or what it entails?

Only one party seeks an authoritarian dictatorship when the means of production are controlled by the central authority based on socialist redistribution of wealth.

Calling Republicans "Communist" is utterly stupid, the act of a moron. Which is an apt description for democrats.

A couple of points here.

It hasn't been only the Lefties (notice I didn't say Liberals) that want to use the Military for their own ends. You can't count foreign wars (police actions) in on this. But it's been primarily the Rightees (notice I didn't say Conservatives) that scream to high heave that when the time comes, the US Military will side with them. So we can discount that idea completely from this discussion.

You are right about what Communism is. What you are wrong about is that it can work as a Government for more than a tens of tens of population. Once you reach a certain number of population, it falls flat on it's face. The ONLY workable Commune or Communist system in the World is in Israel in the Kiosks. They have less than 100 people in the villages and Communes or Communism works fine for them. These do work. But the problem is, they are slowly dying out. The Children go off to the Universities and many times don't return. The Kiosk is frozen in time and it's a big and wonderful world out there. So you Communist label doesn't work.

Yes, Many claims that the old USSR and China are Communist nations but that would be a lie. Those always have been either Dicatorships (I.E. Stalin and Mao) or Oliarchies. And the only wealth they have "Redistributed" has gone to the Uber Rich who are the ones really in charge. When you dig deep, you will see many similarities to our System here where the Uber Rich are controlling things. The only real difference is, they are more honest about it and their people know better.

Then you scream to high heaven that Capitalism is the answer. Like Communism, Capitalism only works in it's pure form is a very small scale. A Capitalist Company can make it's own electricity, makes it own fuel, control the workforce and be completely self sufficient as long as it's very, very small. I believe you could find a couple or three tropical islands that would fit that bill. But you will also find Extreme Wealth in a few hands and abject poverty in most of the population that does not benefit from the Capitalism.

When Capitalism grows past a certain point, it becomes dependent on outside sources for things like water, fuel, electricity, safety, roads, etc.. Those things are NOT Capitalistic. Those are Social things hence they are Socialist. Now the Capitalists and the workers are going to have to pay taxes to pay for those services. And Taxes are always social in nature. The larger the Capitalists grow the more the Social Programs grow and the more the Taxes grow. Then something happens. The Capitalists need protections from the other Capitalists. Capitalists are noted for being more than a little blood thirsty. Enter a Social relief valve. Al Capone and Diamond Jim were Capitalists without that Social Relief and look how that worked out during their reign. Say hello to my Little Buddy cured all arguments, right?

Capitalism, Socialism and Communism cannot exist in large numbers. In fact, Capitalism and Socialism are actually Economic Models, not governments. Communism only works in groups of less than 100.

You leave out the Fascists. I don't have to wonder why. If you read the doctrine or writings of Mussolini of 1923 you will find similarities in our Current President. You will also see what made Spains Government survive all these years sine 1936. Reading up on Spanish History from 1930 to 1939 would explain things a lot to you and you would see Fascism that works. Then read up on Italian History from 1923 to 1943 and see where Fascism failed miserably even though it started out with them doctrines.

You would also learn where there isn't a whole hill of difference when the Left and the Right go wrong. They end up the same place. So we have Mussolini versus Lenin. Franco's Fascists against the Spanish Socialists. Opposition worked well and the other failed big time. Only Franco's Fascists succeeded and continue even today.

A very astute post Daryl

but you left out the one point i was trying for, although i can't really blame you

'end game tactics'

how do you make a populace living a failed system still believe in it?

~S~

Only you would think that is an astute post? Do you have a graduate degree in dumbass also?
 
If a person is such a bad shot that they need to use a whole magazine of bullets then change to a new one, they need to be at the firing range to practice.
Do you even know what 'suppressive fire' is?

A semi-auto is the best for doing that, and sometimes you really need to do it to protect yourself or a loved one.
 
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Jim, everything I am seeing here is vary badly worded. Some worse than others. I am not sure we are looking at the exact legal verbiage of the proposed legislation and would like to see the bill numbers so I might log in and read the actual legislation myself, not from a pro-gun magazine.
I have no problem with comprehensive background checks, and it has nothing to do with giving your young son a rifle or shotgun. You are still responsible for the weapon and your child's access to it. Did a lot of hunting on my own and with my friend in teenage days, but dad knew when and where I was going and weapons in the house were stored where he wanted them stored.

That "Dangerous weapon" bullet point is a deal breaker. I have no problem with semi-automatic rifles whether they look military styled or not. On your own property or a range designed for that weapon's range, I'm good. I am not in favor of bump stocks or modified full auto weapons. Their only real use is for kicking doors and spraying a lot of rounds only loosely aimed after first 3 rounds. The longer you hold the trigger, the worse your aim. Anybody tells you different is full of sh#t. Silencers are strictly offensive and I would ban further sale. If some dumb ass is shooting at me, I would like to be able to zero in on the sound. Silencers I have used, muffled the shot not silenced it, but was enough at 50 yards to make much harder to zero in on the sound, especially around buildings. These are weapons that belong in the home, on the farm or on the appropriate range, not in your car going to Kroger, work, or just riding around town. Nobody ever has the right to take away what you already legally own, now.

One gun handgun purchase in 30 days is stupid if you have to get a background check on every sale or every separate day sale.

Two days should be time frame to report missing weapons. Anybody that doesn't do a weapons and ammunition check by the day after he gets back from vacation is an idiot and they should be stored and accounted for securely. I like a flash drive not stored with the weapons or ammo that includes pictures and serial numbers. I figure it might help me get it back or at least be good for insurance purposes.

Protective orders may be necessary, but there should always be a hearing and you should be reimbursed for reasonable legal fees whether you are allowed to keep your weapon or not. Not uncommon in families to take weapons access away from Alzheimer patients, or senile members, or other mental conditions, but if the state is taking them at the behest of family or 3rd parties you should be protected, and nobody should be able to sell or give away your weapons without your signed approval until you are dead, no matter how senile you are.

Same safeguards for final protective.

Enhanced punishment for leaving weapons accessible to kids. Sounds good to me. Raise age 14 to 18. Sounds good to me, also. Kids are immature, erratic, often just plain stupid and like to show friends what is laying around the house, sometimes taking them out in public without your knowledge. You are responsible for weapons in your home, not your kid.

Weapons regulations as absolutely should be at state or federal level and not a mishmash across every county, town, berg and wide spot in the road.
First off, I never had a desire to have a bump stock never had one. But it is private property and that's why I would defend the ownership. Have you ever shot a rifle that had a bump stock attached? using one puts your body in an unnatural shooting position. You can take a simple rubber band and do better with that than a bump stock.for a lot cheaper and it doesn't put you shooting stance in an awkward position.


Repubtards banned full auto, machine guns, gatling guns, bump stocks, etc, but they actually cause shooters to waste more ammo & kill fewer people. The only gun ban that can greatly reduce injury & body count by a maniac, would be any that don't allow magazines to be easily replaced.


Its' called "Within Reason". And in every Court in the US the term "Within Reason" is constantly used and supported. And not allowing detachable Mags is "Beyond Reason" like the first weapons and accesories you mentioned. Colorado found a sweet spot of limiting the mag to 15. By pure accident, they found that the Courts would find that reasonable. California tried to pass the same law at 10 and it was bounced. I don't know but I imagine they did the same thing that Colorado did and adjusted the law to 15 as well. The 9th Court bounced the 10 round but did mention the "Heller Rule" but did not specifically say the number of rounds but they did mention 15 or more. Within Reason.

So you can stop trying to frighten small children. We aren't small children. We are Reasonable Adults.



Moron, they didn't find the "Sweet spot," you dope. The Supreme Court has been tied up because of the 4-4 split and Roberts...so the lower courts are enacting anti gun rulings and ignoring the actual Supreme Court rulings...
 
These are the new anti-gun laws that the Virginia Dimocrats are set to pass ASAP.

Here's the List of Bills Anti-Gunners Plan to Enact in Virginia - GunsAmerica Digest

The list from local news affiliate WSET:

  • Legislation requiring background checks on all firearms sales and transactions. The bill mandates that any person selling, renting, trading, or transferring a firearm must first obtain the results of a background check before completing the transaction.
  • Legislation banning dangerous weapons. This will include bans on assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, bump stocks and silencers.
  • Legislation to reinstate Virginia’s successful law allowing only one handgun purchase within a 30-day period.
  • Legislation requiring that lost and stolen firearms be reported to law enforcement within 24 hours.
  • Legislation creating an Extreme Risk Protective Order, allowing law enforcement and the courts to temporarily separate a person from firearms if the person exhibits dangerous behavior that presents an immediate threat to self or others.
  • Legislation prohibiting all individuals subject to final protective orders from possessing firearms. The bill expands Virginia law which currently prohibits individuals subject to final protective orders of family abuse from possessing firearms.
  • Legislation enhancing the punishment for allowing access to loaded, unsecured firearm by a child from a Class 3 Misdemeanor to a Class 6 felony. The bill also raises the age of the child from 14 to 18.
  • Legislation enabling localities to enact any firearms ordinances that are stricter than state law. This includes regulating firearms in municipal buildings, libraries and at permitted events.



It sounds reasonable to me.

My state has most of those laws.

The far right radical extremists who want to keep safety laws for weapons off the books have caused these laws to be needed.

If they had compromised, if they had tried to find things we can agree on and live with, maybe the new laws wouldn't have been necessary.

If they had not removed safety laws, if they had not passed laws that allow anyone to have a weapon, if they had not allowed laws that allows mass shootings to happen, maybe the new laws wouldn't have been necessary.

If the far right radical extremists had not forced their way or nothing at all, maybe those new laws wouldn't have been necessary.

And maybe, more people would still be alive today instead of dead from mass shootings.

If they had compromised, if they had tried to find things we can agree on and live with, maybe the new laws wouldn't have been necessary.

That is a lie you doofus. Anti-gun compromise....give us what we want or we will take all you have......after we give them what they want....they come back....give us what we want or we take everything.....rinse and repeat.....you are a moron....

Total number of mass public shootings in 2018...you dumb ass.....12. Total killed....93.

Total killed with knives every single year...over 1,500.

Total killed in accidents on bicycles....345.

Total killed in car accidents...over 38,000

You are insane and irrational. There is no compromise with anti-gun fascists like you.....
 
Also #2 needs to ban any weapon with quick change magazines.
Yeah, because no one would ever need such a thing to fight off a home invasion.

:rolleyes:


If a person is such a bad shot that they need to use a whole magazine of bullets then change to a new one, they need to be at the firing range to practice.

If a person has not stopped a home invader with the amount of bullets they already have no amount of quick change of a magazine is going to do any good.

Any person who is that bad of a shot shouldn't be owning a weapon.


You really are a stupid person....you know nothing about guns, nothing about self defense....and then you pull that out of your ass as if it is profound.....
 
These are the new anti-gun laws that the Virginia Dimocrats are set to pass ASAP.

Here's the List of Bills Anti-Gunners Plan to Enact in Virginia - GunsAmerica Digest

The list from local news affiliate WSET:

  • Legislation requiring background checks on all firearms sales and transactions. The bill mandates that any person selling, renting, trading, or transferring a firearm must first obtain the results of a background check before completing the transaction.
  • Legislation banning dangerous weapons. This will include bans on assault weapons, high-capacity magazines, bump stocks and silencers.
  • Legislation to reinstate Virginia’s successful law allowing only one handgun purchase within a 30-day period.
  • Legislation requiring that lost and stolen firearms be reported to law enforcement within 24 hours.
  • Legislation creating an Extreme Risk Protective Order, allowing law enforcement and the courts to temporarily separate a person from firearms if the person exhibits dangerous behavior that presents an immediate threat to self or others.
  • Legislation prohibiting all individuals subject to final protective orders from possessing firearms. The bill expands Virginia law which currently prohibits individuals subject to final protective orders of family abuse from possessing firearms.
  • Legislation enhancing the punishment for allowing access to loaded, unsecured firearm by a child from a Class 3 Misdemeanor to a Class 6 felony. The bill also raises the age of the child from 14 to 18.
  • Legislation enabling localities to enact any firearms ordinances that are stricter than state law. This includes regulating firearms in municipal buildings, libraries and at permitted events.
Seem reasonable to me

Minimal impact on legitimate gun owners
 
What is bad about a background check? Kinda like an I'd for voting.


Wrong..... the i.d. for voting merely shows that you are you....so that no one else can vote in your place.

Background checks are used to deny a Right without committing any crime. They also cost money to do. Besides....the anti-gunners don't care about background checks...they want universal background checks....why? Because the only way universal background checks theoretically work is with universal gun registration which is the actual goal. The anti-gunners need gun registration before they ban guns so people can't hide them.
 
What is bad about a background check? Kinda like an I'd for voting.


Wrong..... the i.d. for voting merely shows that you are you....so that no one else can vote in your place.

Background checks are used to deny a Right without committing any crime. They also cost money to do. Besides....the anti-gunners don't care about background checks...they want universal background checks....why? Because the only way universal background checks theoretically work is with universal gun registration which is the actual goal. The anti-gunners need gun registration before they ban guns so people can't hide them.
Background checks prevent sales to criminals
We need background checks on ALL sales...even if you sell a gun to your son
 
Background checks are used to deny a Right without committing any crime. They also cost money to do. Besides....the anti-gunners don't care about background checks...they want universal background checks....why? Because the only way universal background checks theoretically work is with universal gun registration which is the actual goal. The anti-gunners need gun registration before they ban guns so people can't hide them.
What do you think about having a 'pre-check' that makes a background check unnecessary?
 
If you are living in an area that that is a true fear then I suggest you friggin move to an area it isn't.
I will live wherever I damned well want to if I can pay for it, jack ass.

You can take your suggestions and shove them up your Nazi keister.
My, oh, My, did I hit a nerve on that one? That's a real "You can't tell me what to do" and "You aren't my Daddy" moment for you.

Your problem is that he is 100% correct. You don't get to make those decisions for him, dumbass!

Then he shouldn't saddle the rest of us with his crying in his sour milk. I won't tolerate that condition and neither will my neighbors. If you want to live in an area that does tolerate these types of behavior, don't come crying to any of us with your pussy tears.
 
which is fine if you're holding off the indians in 1840...

Which is what they WANT you to believe

it's just one infringement after the next around here...

F16 Fodder.....

So once again, our 2nd is infringed in so many GubMit ways , you folks have a hard time seeing the forest from the constitutional sleeze

Further, you'd THINK the NRA would be taking a stand on the guttural evisceration that's happened to the 2nd..?

show me.....

Guess they're more interested in gun sales, the 2nd serving them no more than a catalyst .....

Welcome to the new Orwellian order

~S~

:rofl:

You communists, always so convinced that the military will violate their oath and help you overthrow the Constitution...

I fear when the time comes, you will be sorely, and fatally, disappointed.

Wait a minute now. I am confused. Both sides are calling the other side Communists. Life just doesn't make any sense anymore. And it's too cold to go fishing to iron things out.

Do you know what Communism is, or what it entails?

Only one party seeks an authoritarian dictatorship when the means of production are controlled by the central authority based on socialist redistribution of wealth.

Calling Republicans "Communist" is utterly stupid, the act of a moron. Which is an apt description for democrats.

A couple of points here.

It hasn't been only the Lefties (notice I didn't say Liberals) that want to use the Military for their own ends. You can't count foreign wars (police actions) in on this. But it's been primarily the Rightees (notice I didn't say Conservatives) that scream to high heave that when the time comes, the US Military will side with them. So we can discount that idea completely from this discussion.

You are right about what Communism is. What you are wrong about is that it can work as a Government for more than a tens of tens of population. Once you reach a certain number of population, it falls flat on it's face. The ONLY workable Commune or Communist system in the World is in Israel in the Kiosks. They have less than 100 people in the villages and Communes or Communism works fine for them. These do work. But the problem is, they are slowly dying out. The Children go off to the Universities and many times don't return. The Kiosk is frozen in time and it's a big and wonderful world out there. So you Communist label doesn't work.

Yes, Many claims that the old USSR and China are Communist nations but that would be a lie. Those always have been either Dicatorships (I.E. Stalin and Mao) or Oliarchies. And the only wealth they have "Redistributed" has gone to the Uber Rich who are the ones really in charge. When you dig deep, you will see many similarities to our System here where the Uber Rich are controlling things. The only real difference is, they are more honest about it and their people know better.

Then you scream to high heaven that Capitalism is the answer. Like Communism, Capitalism only works in it's pure form is a very small scale. A Capitalist Company can make it's own electricity, makes it own fuel, control the workforce and be completely self sufficient as long as it's very, very small. I believe you could find a couple or three tropical islands that would fit that bill. But you will also find Extreme Wealth in a few hands and abject poverty in most of the population that does not benefit from the Capitalism.

When Capitalism grows past a certain point, it becomes dependent on outside sources for things like water, fuel, electricity, safety, roads, etc.. Those things are NOT Capitalistic. Those are Social things hence they are Socialist. Now the Capitalists and the workers are going to have to pay taxes to pay for those services. And Taxes are always social in nature. The larger the Capitalists grow the more the Social Programs grow and the more the Taxes grow. Then something happens. The Capitalists need protections from the other Capitalists. Capitalists are noted for being more than a little blood thirsty. Enter a Social relief valve. Al Capone and Diamond Jim were Capitalists without that Social Relief and look how that worked out during their reign. Say hello to my Little Buddy cured all arguments, right?

Capitalism, Socialism and Communism cannot exist in large numbers. In fact, Capitalism and Socialism are actually Economic Models, not governments. Communism only works in groups of less than 100.

You leave out the Fascists. I don't have to wonder why. If you read the doctrine or writings of Mussolini of 1923 you will find similarities in our Current President. You will also see what made Spains Government survive all these years sine 1936. Reading up on Spanish History from 1930 to 1939 would explain things a lot to you and you would see Fascism that works. Then read up on Italian History from 1923 to 1943 and see where Fascism failed miserably even though it started out with them doctrines.

You would also learn where there isn't a whole hill of difference when the Left and the Right go wrong. They end up the same place. So we have Mussolini versus Lenin. Franco's Fascists against the Spanish Socialists. Opposition worked well and the other failed big time. Only Franco's Fascists succeeded and continue even today.

Kiosks?:dig::dig::dig::dig::dig::dig:

A kiosk is a small, stand-alone booth typically placed in high-traffic areas for business purposes. It typically provides information and applications on education, commerce, entertainment, and a variety of other topics.
What is a Kiosk? - Definition, Examples, and More

You have reached a new high in dumbass!

It's called a "kibbutz!"

That's a typical post from you, talking out of your ass again!

So you admit that a communist community does exist and they work. Once again, you lose the argument because your ultrarightwingnutjob ideals just don't hold water.
 
Also #2 needs to ban any weapon with quick change magazines.
Yeah, because no one would ever need such a thing to fight off a home invasion.

:rolleyes:


If a person is such a bad shot that they need to use a whole magazine of bullets then change to a new one, they need to be at the firing range to practice.

If a person has not stopped a home invader with the amount of bullets they already have no amount of quick change of a magazine is going to do any good.

Any person who is that bad of a shot shouldn't be owning a weapon.

What if there is more than one home invader, dumbass?

If my car needed to get somewhere faster, I would need over 1000 hp to get me there. If, if, if. Those IFs are murder, ain't they. And like you have had to protect your home from 15 maruading drug dealers before. If, If, If. Reality is, my 245 hp 351 gets me there fast enough and I don't need an arsenal to fend off the entire nation of whatever nation you believe will be attacking you next week.
 
Dude I alone have over a thousand magazines with over 28,000 rounds of ammo stored in one of my places and just for one of my rifles triple that for the others located in different places. years and years of buying 2 magazines and three boxes of ammo will get you a lot.

which is fine if you're holding off the indians in 1840...

They believe that means we are in charge

Which is what they WANT you to believe

Also you didn't say you have any 81mm mortars stockpiled, so you lost already.

it's just one infringement after the next around here...

I only said what I said about me just imagine millions more out there

F16 Fodder.....

So once again, our 2nd is infringed in so many GubMit ways , you folks have a hard time seeing the forest from the constitutional sleeze

Further, you'd THINK the NRA would be taking a stand on the guttural evisceration that's happened to the 2nd..?

show me.....

Guess they're more interested in gun sales, the 2nd serving them no more than a catalyst .....

Welcome to the new Orwellian order

~S~

:rofl:

You communists, always so convinced that the military will violate their oath and help you overthrow the Constitution...

I fear when the time comes, you will be sorely, and fatally, disappointed.

Wait a minute now. I am confused. Both sides are calling the other side Communists. Life just doesn't make any sense anymore. And it's too cold to go fishing to iron things out.

You should go fishing! Make sure your waders are filled with lead sinkers to make sure your feet don't slip on the bottom when your boat sinks.

Should I take 12 Handguns, 4 AR-15s, 3 AKs and 2 Sawoff Shotguns to keep me safe as well? Those trout might be mighty cantankerous at times.
 
What is bad about a background check? Kinda like an I'd for voting.


Wrong..... the i.d. for voting merely shows that you are you....so that no one else can vote in your place.

Background checks are used to deny a Right without committing any crime. They also cost money to do. Besides....the anti-gunners don't care about background checks...they want universal background checks....why? Because the only way universal background checks theoretically work is with universal gun registration which is the actual goal. The anti-gunners need gun registration before they ban guns so people can't hide them.
Background checks prevent sales to criminals
We need background checks on ALL sales...even if you sell a gun to your son
:haha:
 
If you are living in an area that that is a true fear then I suggest you friggin move to an area it isn't.
I will live wherever I damned well want to if I can pay for it, jack ass.

You can take your suggestions and shove them up your Nazi keister.
My, oh, My, did I hit a nerve on that one? That's a real "You can't tell me what to do" and "You aren't my Daddy" moment for you.

Your problem is that he is 100% correct. You don't get to make those decisions for him, dumbass!

Then he shouldn't saddle the rest of us with his crying in his sour milk. I won't tolerate that condition and neither will my neighbors. If you want to live in an area that does tolerate these types of behavior, don't come crying to any of us with your pussy tears.
Seems to me the ones crying are the folks who don't think it's right that people are allowed to own guns. SEE ALSO: Virginia Democrats
 
Dude I alone have over a thousand magazines with over 28,000 rounds of ammo stored in one of my places and just for one of my rifles triple that for the others located in different places. years and years of buying 2 magazines and three boxes of ammo will get you a lot.

which is fine if you're holding off the indians in 1840...

They believe that means we are in charge

Which is what they WANT you to believe

Also you didn't say you have any 81mm mortars stockpiled, so you lost already.

it's just one infringement after the next around here...

I only said what I said about me just imagine millions more out there

F16 Fodder.....

So once again, our 2nd is infringed in so many GubMit ways , you folks have a hard time seeing the forest from the constitutional sleeze

Further, you'd THINK the NRA would be taking a stand on the guttural evisceration that's happened to the 2nd..?

show me.....

Guess they're more interested in gun sales, the 2nd serving them no more than a catalyst .....

Welcome to the new Orwellian order

~S~

:rofl:

You communists, always so convinced that the military will violate their oath and help you overthrow the Constitution...

I fear when the time comes, you will be sorely, and fatally, disappointed.
VA Democrats believe VA National Guard troops will fire on their families and friends.

VA Democrats are morons.

If the National Guard is used, they won't instigate the firing. But if fired on, they ARE professionals. And then don't complain when they return fire because that's just bitching.
 
:rofl:

You communists, always so convinced that the military will violate their oath and help you overthrow the Constitution...

I fear when the time comes, you will be sorely, and fatally, disappointed.

Wait a minute now. I am confused. Both sides are calling the other side Communists. Life just doesn't make any sense anymore. And it's too cold to go fishing to iron things out.

Do you know what Communism is, or what it entails?

Only one party seeks an authoritarian dictatorship when the means of production are controlled by the central authority based on socialist redistribution of wealth.

Calling Republicans "Communist" is utterly stupid, the act of a moron. Which is an apt description for democrats.

A couple of points here.

It hasn't been only the Lefties (notice I didn't say Liberals) that want to use the Military for their own ends. You can't count foreign wars (police actions) in on this. But it's been primarily the Rightees (notice I didn't say Conservatives) that scream to high heave that when the time comes, the US Military will side with them. So we can discount that idea completely from this discussion.

You are right about what Communism is. What you are wrong about is that it can work as a Government for more than a tens of tens of population. Once you reach a certain number of population, it falls flat on it's face. The ONLY workable Commune or Communist system in the World is in Israel in the Kiosks. They have less than 100 people in the villages and Communes or Communism works fine for them. These do work. But the problem is, they are slowly dying out. The Children go off to the Universities and many times don't return. The Kiosk is frozen in time and it's a big and wonderful world out there. So you Communist label doesn't work.

Yes, Many claims that the old USSR and China are Communist nations but that would be a lie. Those always have been either Dicatorships (I.E. Stalin and Mao) or Oliarchies. And the only wealth they have "Redistributed" has gone to the Uber Rich who are the ones really in charge. When you dig deep, you will see many similarities to our System here where the Uber Rich are controlling things. The only real difference is, they are more honest about it and their people know better.

Then you scream to high heaven that Capitalism is the answer. Like Communism, Capitalism only works in it's pure form is a very small scale. A Capitalist Company can make it's own electricity, makes it own fuel, control the workforce and be completely self sufficient as long as it's very, very small. I believe you could find a couple or three tropical islands that would fit that bill. But you will also find Extreme Wealth in a few hands and abject poverty in most of the population that does not benefit from the Capitalism.

When Capitalism grows past a certain point, it becomes dependent on outside sources for things like water, fuel, electricity, safety, roads, etc.. Those things are NOT Capitalistic. Those are Social things hence they are Socialist. Now the Capitalists and the workers are going to have to pay taxes to pay for those services. And Taxes are always social in nature. The larger the Capitalists grow the more the Social Programs grow and the more the Taxes grow. Then something happens. The Capitalists need protections from the other Capitalists. Capitalists are noted for being more than a little blood thirsty. Enter a Social relief valve. Al Capone and Diamond Jim were Capitalists without that Social Relief and look how that worked out during their reign. Say hello to my Little Buddy cured all arguments, right?

Capitalism, Socialism and Communism cannot exist in large numbers. In fact, Capitalism and Socialism are actually Economic Models, not governments. Communism only works in groups of less than 100.

You leave out the Fascists. I don't have to wonder why. If you read the doctrine or writings of Mussolini of 1923 you will find similarities in our Current President. You will also see what made Spains Government survive all these years sine 1936. Reading up on Spanish History from 1930 to 1939 would explain things a lot to you and you would see Fascism that works. Then read up on Italian History from 1923 to 1943 and see where Fascism failed miserably even though it started out with them doctrines.

You would also learn where there isn't a whole hill of difference when the Left and the Right go wrong. They end up the same place. So we have Mussolini versus Lenin. Franco's Fascists against the Spanish Socialists. Opposition worked well and the other failed big time. Only Franco's Fascists succeeded and continue even today.

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You have reached a new high in dumbass!

It's called a "kibbutz!"

That's a typical post from you, talking out of your ass again!

So you admit that a communist community does exist and they work. Once again, you lose the argument because your ultrarightwingnutjob ideals just don't hold water.
Communism has a chance of working in small, voluntary, agrarian communities.

But people like you want it nationwide and non-voluntary.

No, thanks.
 
Also #2 needs to ban any weapon with quick change magazines.
Yeah, because no one would ever need such a thing to fight off a home invasion.

:rolleyes:


If a person is such a bad shot that they need to use a whole magazine of bullets then change to a new one, they need to be at the firing range to practice.

If a person has not stopped a home invader with the amount of bullets they already have no amount of quick change of a magazine is going to do any good.

Any person who is that bad of a shot shouldn't be owning a weapon.

What if there is more than one home invader, dumbass?

If my car needed to get somewhere faster, I would need over 1000 hp to get me there. If, if, if. Those IFs are murder, ain't they. And like you have had to protect your home from 15 maruading drug dealers before. If, If, If. Reality is, my 245 hp 351 gets me there fast enough and I don't need an arsenal to fend off the entire nation of whatever nation you believe will be attacking you next week.
Why do you believe you get to decide what other people need?
 
Dude I alone have over a thousand magazines with over 28,000 rounds of ammo stored in one of my places and just for one of my rifles triple that for the others located in different places. years and years of buying 2 magazines and three boxes of ammo will get you a lot.

which is fine if you're holding off the indians in 1840...

They believe that means we are in charge

Which is what they WANT you to believe

Also you didn't say you have any 81mm mortars stockpiled, so you lost already.

it's just one infringement after the next around here...

I only said what I said about me just imagine millions more out there

F16 Fodder.....

So once again, our 2nd is infringed in so many GubMit ways , you folks have a hard time seeing the forest from the constitutional sleeze

Further, you'd THINK the NRA would be taking a stand on the guttural evisceration that's happened to the 2nd..?

show me.....

Guess they're more interested in gun sales, the 2nd serving them no more than a catalyst .....

Welcome to the new Orwellian order

~S~

:rofl:

You communists, always so convinced that the military will violate their oath and help you overthrow the Constitution...

I fear when the time comes, you will be sorely, and fatally, disappointed.

Wait a minute now. I am confused. Both sides are calling the other side Communists. Life just doesn't make any sense anymore. And it's too cold to go fishing to iron things out.
Rule of thumb:

If someone wants to deprive law-abiding citizens of their freedoms, they're Communists.

If someone wants law-abiding citizens to keep their Constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms, they're not Communists.

Simple, huh?

Have you taken a look at Rump who wants to deprive many people that you don't like their Constitutional Guaranteed Freedoms? Mussolini Fascism does exactly the same thing and it's not Communism. It's the other end of the spectrum.
 

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