Are we getting more from government?

[Brain357]

Obviously our deficits are growing rapidly. Spending has been increasing for many years. I'm curious if anyone really feels like they get more? Seems to me we really aren't getting any more than we did in the 80's and possibly much farther back. What are we getting for all this spending? When I look at a country like Denmark those people seem to get a lot like healthcare, childcare, college.... I don't feel average citizens see much for all this spending. I think all we are getting is more corruption. What do you think?

 

[Oddball]

The bureaucrats got more.

 

[occupied]

We have a food industry due to heavy government subsidy. Every single part of it from seed to grocery shopper exists in it's current form because food supplies are a primary strategic asset. Farm subsidies, food stamps. highways, irrigation projects, flood control, inspections etc.

We do not have food shortage or widespread hunger here even in the worst of times. On this we take the government completely for granted.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Obviously our deficits are growing rapidly. Spending has been increasing for many years. I'm curious if anyone really feels like they get more? Seems to me we really aren't getting any more than we did in the 80's and possibly much farther back. What are we getting for all this spending? When I look at a country like Denmark those people seem to get a lot like healthcare, childcare, college.... I don't feel average citizens see much for all this spending. I think all we are getting is more corruption. What do you think?

Funding WORLD POLICE is fucking expensive.

Start cutting that shit and bring soldiers home. Save us BILLIONS.

If everyone would just listen to Thomas Jefferson, we would all be happy.

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[leftwinger]

Pensions & Healthcare for them at 5X your level for ten years longer. See the state of CA for an example. This is easy to find. I'm not working hard.

100k Club

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We have a food industry due to heavy government subsidy. Every single part of it from seed to grocery shopper exists in it's current form because food supplies are a primary strategic asset. Farm subsidies, food stamps. highways, irrigation projects, flood control, inspections etc.

We do not have food shortage or widespread hunger here even in the worst of times. On this we take the government completely for granted.

You give shitty, no good, useless, wasteful government WAY too much credit.

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[JGalt]

Obviously our deficits are growing rapidly. Spending has been increasing for many years. I'm curious if anyone really feels like they get more? Seems to me we really aren't getting any more than we did in the 80's and possibly much farther back. What are we getting for all this spending? When I look at a country like Denmark those people seem to get a lot like healthcare, childcare, college.... I don't feel average citizens see much for all this spending. I think all we are getting is more corruption. What do you think?

Denmark isn't really the "happy happy joy joy" utopian socialist worker's paradise you think it is. Their personal income tax rate ranges from 55% to 65%, their sales tax is 25%, things cost more in Denmark, and Danes have much less disposable income then we do.

I sincerely doubt that with your limited skills, they would even let you emigrate there. Hell, they don't even like the way Bernie Sanders is using them for an example.

Denmark Tells Bernie Sanders It's Had Enough Of His 'Socialist' Slurs | Investor's Business Daily

 

[occupied]

We have a food industry due to heavy government subsidy. Every single part of it from seed to grocery shopper exists in it's current form because food supplies are a primary strategic asset. Farm subsidies, food stamps. highways, irrigation projects, flood control, inspections etc.

We do not have food shortage or widespread hunger here even in the worst of times. On this we take the government completely for granted.

You give shitty, no good, useless, wasteful government WAY too much credit.

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I just went through a hurricane where food and fuel seriously got scarce for about a week. I've seen what happens when the infrastructure we live in disappears. Don't get too comfortable.

 

[leftwinger]

SB 400 raised this “multiplier” to 3.0%, which meant the new CHP pension, using the same other variables, would be 30 years times 3.0% times $100,000, which equals $90,000 per year. This benefit enhancement was enacted retroactively?

 

[Hossfly]

Obviously our deficits are growing rapidly. Spending has been increasing for many years. I'm curious if anyone really feels like they get more? Seems to me we really aren't getting any more than we did in the 80's and possibly much farther back. What are we getting for all this spending? When I look at a country like Denmark those people seem to get a lot like healthcare, childcare, college.... I don't feel average citizens see much for all this spending. I think all we are getting is more corruption. What do you think?

Denmark isn't really the "happy happy joy joy" utopian socialist worker's paradise you think it is. Their personal income tax rate ranges from 55% to 65%, their sales tax is 25%, things cost more in Denmark, and Danes have much less disposable income then we do.

I sincerely doubt that with your limited skills, they would even let you emigrate there. Hell, they don't even like the way Bernie Sanders is using them for an example.

Denmark Tells Bernie Sanders It's Had Enough Of His 'Socialist' Slurs | Investor's Business Daily

The government doesn't reduce the national debt if at all. They are required by law to pay annual interest on the debt and that's about all they accomplish. The current annual interest rate on the debt is roughly $365 Billion.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

We have a food industry due to heavy government subsidy. Every single part of it from seed to grocery shopper exists in it's current form because food supplies are a primary strategic asset. Farm subsidies, food stamps. highways, irrigation projects, flood control, inspections etc.

We do not have food shortage or widespread hunger here even in the worst of times. On this we take the government completely for granted.

You give shitty, no good, useless, wasteful government WAY too much credit.

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I just went through a hurricane where food and fuel seriously got scarce for about a week. I've seen what happens when the infrastructure we live in disappears. Don't get too comfortable.

Yeah, I live in Texas. We know. Private charities and individuals did great to help the victims. Government is not necessary.

 

[leftwinger]

Congress pension fund is super gravy train. ********

Retirement Under CSRS

Four retirement scenarios are possible for Members covered by CSRS or the CSRS Offset Plan.

Retirement with an immediate, full pension is available to Members aged 60 or older with 10 years of service in Congress, or aged 62 with 5 years of civilian federal service, including service in Congress.

Retirement with an immediate, reduced pension is available to Members aged 55 to 59 with at least 30 years of service. It is also allowed if the Member separates for a reason other than resignation or expulsion after having completed 25 years of service, or after reaching the age of 50 and with 20 years of service, or after having served in nine Congresses.14

Retirement with a deferred, full pension is available if the Member leaves Congress before reaching the minimum age required to receive an immediate, unreduced pension and delays receipt until reaching the age at which full benefits are paid. A full pension can be taken at the age of 62 if the Member had 5-9 years of federal service, or at the age of 60 if the Member had at least 10 years of service in Congress. At the time of separation, the Member must leave all contributions in the plan to be eligible for the deferred pension.

Retirement with a deferred, reduced pension is available to a Member at the age of 50 if he or she retired before that age and had at least 20 years of federal service, including at least 10 years as a Member of Congress.

Retirement Under FERS

There are four possible retirement scenarios for Members who are covered by FERS.

Retirement with an immediate, full pension is available to Members aged 62 or older with at least 5 years of federal service; aged 50 or older with at least 20 years of service; and at any age to Members with at least 25 years of service.

https://www.senate.gov/CRSpubs/ac0d1dd5-7316-4390-87e6-353589586a89.pdf

 

[Oddball]

Yeah, I live in Texas. We know. Private charities and individuals did great to help the victims. Government is not necessary.

 

[BuckToothMoron]

Obviously our deficits are growing rapidly. Spending has been increasing for many years. I'm curious if anyone really feels like they get more? Seems to me we really aren't getting any more than we did in the 80's and possibly much farther back. What are we getting for all this spending? When I look at a country like Denmark those people seem to get a lot like healthcare, childcare, college.... I don't feel average citizens see much for all this spending. I think all we are getting is more corruption. What do you think?

Government is not efficient by nature, and the bigger the government the less efficient it it. So no, clearly the return on investment is shrinking as the government grows.

 

[tyroneweaver]

 

[Darkwind]

Obviously our deficits are growing rapidly. Spending has been increasing for many years. I'm curious if anyone really feels like they get more? Seems to me we really aren't getting any more than we did in the 80's and possibly much farther back. What are we getting for all this spending? When I look at a country like Denmark those people seem to get a lot like healthcare, childcare, college.... I don't feel average citizens see much for all this spending. I think all we are getting is more corruption. What do you think?

Denmark isn't really the "happy happy joy joy" utopian socialist worker's paradise you think it is. Their personal income tax rate ranges from 55% to 65%, their sales tax is 25%, things cost more in Denmark, and Danes have much less disposable income then we do.

I sincerely doubt that with your limited skills, they would even let you emigrate there. Hell, they don't even like the way Bernie Sanders is using them for an example.

Denmark Tells Bernie Sanders It's Had Enough Of His 'Socialist' Slurs | Investor's Business Daily

Well, on the bright side, the Danes are trained to not need anything that government doesn't provide them. Sort of like Pavlov's dogs on a national scale.

 

[Marion Morrison]

We had 1/3 of the government we have now in the 80s. We need to get back to that, MAGA!

Make Atrophying Government Again!

 

[Marion Morrison]

Obviously our deficits are growing rapidly. Spending has been increasing for many years. I'm curious if anyone really feels like they get more? Seems to me we really aren't getting any more than we did in the 80's and possibly much farther back. What are we getting for all this spending? When I look at a country like Denmark those people seem to get a lot like healthcare, childcare, college.... I don't feel average citizens see much for all this spending. I think all we are getting is more corruption. What do you think?

Denmark isn't really the "happy happy joy joy" utopian socialist worker's paradise you think it is. Their personal income tax rate ranges from 55% to 65%, their sales tax is 25%, things cost more in Denmark, and Danes have much less disposable income then we do.

I sincerely doubt that with your limited skills, they would even let you emigrate there. Hell, they don't even like the way Bernie Sanders is using them for an example.

Denmark Tells Bernie Sanders It's Had Enough Of His 'Socialist' Slurs | Investor's Business Daily

Well, on the bright side, the Danes are trained to not need anything that government doesn't provide them. Sort of like Pavlov's dogs on a national scale.

Is that why their hams are so small?

 

[Brain357]

Obviously our deficits are growing rapidly. Spending has been increasing for many years. I'm curious if anyone really feels like they get more? Seems to me we really aren't getting any more than we did in the 80's and possibly much farther back. What are we getting for all this spending? When I look at a country like Denmark those people seem to get a lot like healthcare, childcare, college.... I don't feel average citizens see much for all this spending. I think all we are getting is more corruption. What do you think?

Denmark isn't really the "happy happy joy joy" utopian socialist worker's paradise you think it is. Their personal income tax rate ranges from 55% to 65%, their sales tax is 25%, things cost more in Denmark, and Danes have much less disposable income then we do.

I sincerely doubt that with your limited skills, they would even let you emigrate there. Hell, they don't even like the way Bernie Sanders is using them for an example.

Denmark Tells Bernie Sanders It's Had Enough Of His 'Socialist' Slurs | Investor's Business Daily

You seem to have missed the point. I was using them as an example of it being obvious what they are getting back from government. What we get back seems much less obvious. We get all the essentials of course, but are we getting anything for all this increased spending? I think we are mostly getting more corruption.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We had 1/3 of the government we have now in the 80s. We need to get back to that, MAGA!

Make Atrophying Government Again!

There were far more government employees in the 80s than now. Right now it is at about the level it was in the 60s. It has been coming down since the 90s after Reagan expanded it greatly.

What has risen out of control is per capita spending.


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