Are we getting more from government?

[toomuchtime_]

We need tariffs to regulate imports/exports, not subsidies.

I've been saying that for around a decade or more.

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

When those products come here and we the people buy them, we are paying the tariff.

So if you are what economists consider a rational consumer you will prefer a domestic product at a lower price, hence creating more jobs for Americans and more tax revenues for the government.

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

When those products come here and we the people buy them, we are paying the tariff.

So if you are what economists consider a rational consumer you will prefer a domestic product at a lower price, hence creating more jobs for Americans and more tax revenues for the government.

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

You are not talking about FoxCon are you?

 

[toomuchtime_]

Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

When those products come here and we the people buy them, we are paying the tariff.

So if you are what economists consider a rational consumer you will prefer a domestic product at a lower price, hence creating more jobs for Americans and more tax revenues for the government.

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

You are not talking about FoxCon are you?

I am.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

When those products come here and we the people buy them, we are paying the tariff.

So if you are what economists consider a rational consumer you will prefer a domestic product at a lower price, hence creating more jobs for Americans and more tax revenues for the government.

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

You are not talking about FoxCon are you?

I am.

I think it is more than billions in tax breaks that they are gettting than the tariffs.

Also, do not count your chickens before they hatch, FoxConn has a history of making promises to build a plant and either never does or it is about 1/10 of what they said it would be.

 

[toomuchtime_]

So if you are what economists consider a rational consumer you will prefer a domestic product at a lower price, hence creating more jobs for Americans and more tax revenues for the government.

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

You are not talking about FoxCon are you?

I am.

I think it is more than billions in tax breaks that they are gettting than the tariffs.

Also, do not count your chickens before they hatch, FoxConn has a history of making promises to build a plant and either never does or it is about 1/10 of what they said it would be.

Tax breaks might play a part in deciding where in the US the factory will be but it makes no sense to build a factory if you can't sell the products at a competitive price. The point is, tariffs used with precision can benefit the US economy, and across the board free trade has not.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

You are not talking about FoxCon are you?

I am.

I think it is more than billions in tax breaks that they are gettting than the tariffs.

Also, do not count your chickens before they hatch, FoxConn has a history of making promises to build a plant and either never does or it is about 1/10 of what they said it would be.

Tax breaks might play a part in deciding where in the US the factory will be but it makes no sense to build a factory if you can't sell the products at a competitive price. The point is, tariffs used with precision can benefit the US economy, and across the board free trade has not.

First, they are not being used with precision, they are being used like a bull in a China shop.

Second, how do you figure that free trade has not benefited the economy?

We have record low unemployment.

We literally have more open jobs than people to fill them.

We just set a record for the most months straight of job growth, a record that spans two administrations.

We are 117 months into the 2nd longest periods of economic expansion in this history of this country, only 3 months away from the record.

Until the start of the trade war, we had record setting financial markets.

All of these things took place under the current free trade deals. Which of these is bad that you would like to see end?

 

[Brain357]

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

When those products come here and we the people buy them, we are paying the tariff.

So if you are what economists consider a rational consumer you will prefer a domestic product at a lower price, hence creating more jobs for Americans and more tax revenues for the government.

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

$3 billion on cash payments from WI tax payers and a 25 year break even point. Will we even be using those screens in 25 years?

 

[Brain357]

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

You are not talking about FoxCon are you?

I am.

I think it is more than billions in tax breaks that they are gettting than the tariffs.

Also, do not count your chickens before they hatch, FoxConn has a history of making promises to build a plant and either never does or it is about 1/10 of what they said it would be.

Tax breaks might play a part in deciding where in the US the factory will be but it makes no sense to build a factory if you can't sell the products at a competitive price. The point is, tariffs used with precision can benefit the US economy, and across the board free trade has not.

Huge waste of tax dollars.

Foxconn may not manufacture anything in Wisconsin after all

 

[toomuchtime_]

Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

When those products come here and we the people buy them, we are paying the tariff.

So if you are what economists consider a rational consumer you will prefer a domestic product at a lower price, hence creating more jobs for Americans and more tax revenues for the government.

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

$3 billion on cash payments from WI tax payers and a 25 year break even point. Will we even be using those screens in 25 years?

Why is it that only Republicans are interested in creating good jobs for Americans anymore? That used to be an interest of the Democrats but it clearly is not an interest of today's Democratic Party.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

You are not talking about FoxCon are you?

I am.

I think it is more than billions in tax breaks that they are gettting than the tariffs.

Also, do not count your chickens before they hatch, FoxConn has a history of making promises to build a plant and either never does or it is about 1/10 of what they said it would be.

Tax breaks might play a part in deciding where in the US the factory will be but it makes no sense to build a factory if you can't sell the products at a competitive price. The point is, tariffs used with precision can benefit the US economy, and across the board free trade has not.

Huge waste of tax dollars.

Foxconn may not manufacture anything in Wisconsin after all

Why are you so hostile to efforts to create good jobs for Americans?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

When those products come here and we the people buy them, we are paying the tariff.

So if you are what economists consider a rational consumer you will prefer a domestic product at a lower price, hence creating more jobs for Americans and more tax revenues for the government.

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

$3 billion on cash payments from WI tax payers and a 25 year break even point. Will we even be using those screens in 25 years?

Why is it that only Republicans are interested in creating good jobs for Americans anymore? That used to be an interest of the Democrats but it clearly is not an interest of today's Democratic Party.

What is a "good" job? Is working in a factory preforming the same function 1000 times a day, 260 days a year a "good" job?

 

[toomuchtime_]

So if you are what economists consider a rational consumer you will prefer a domestic product at a lower price, hence creating more jobs for Americans and more tax revenues for the government.

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

$3 billion on cash payments from WI tax payers and a 25 year break even point. Will we even be using those screens in 25 years?

Why is it that only Republicans are interested in creating good jobs for Americans anymore? That used to be an interest of the Democrats but it clearly is not an interest of today's Democratic Party.

What is a "good" job? Is working in a factory preforming the same function 1000 times a day, 260 days a year a "good" job?

Most workers consider a good job to be one that pays well by their standards and in general, manufacturing jobs pay better than service jobs. I hope that helps you to understand the issue.

 

[Brain357]

You are not talking about FoxCon are you?

I am.

I think it is more than billions in tax breaks that they are gettting than the tariffs.

Also, do not count your chickens before they hatch, FoxConn has a history of making promises to build a plant and either never does or it is about 1/10 of what they said it would be.

Tax breaks might play a part in deciding where in the US the factory will be but it makes no sense to build a factory if you can't sell the products at a competitive price. The point is, tariffs used with precision can benefit the US economy, and across the board free trade has not.

Huge waste of tax dollars.

Foxconn may not manufacture anything in Wisconsin after all

Why are you so hostile to efforts to create good jobs for Americans?

I don’t trust politicians to pick winners and losers. Always ends badly for tax payer.

 

[Brain357]

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

$3 billion on cash payments from WI tax payers and a 25 year break even point. Will we even be using those screens in 25 years?

Why is it that only Republicans are interested in creating good jobs for Americans anymore? That used to be an interest of the Democrats but it clearly is not an interest of today's Democratic Party.

What is a "good" job? Is working in a factory preforming the same function 1000 times a day, 260 days a year a "good" job?

Most workers consider a good job to be one that pays well by their standards and in general, manufacturing jobs pay better than service jobs. I hope that helps you to understand the issue.

Why is that? I would argue most service jobs are harder.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

$3 billion on cash payments from WI tax payers and a 25 year break even point. Will we even be using those screens in 25 years?

Why is it that only Republicans are interested in creating good jobs for Americans anymore? That used to be an interest of the Democrats but it clearly is not an interest of today's Democratic Party.

What is a "good" job? Is working in a factory preforming the same function 1000 times a day, 260 days a year a "good" job?

Most workers consider a good job to be one that pays well by their standards and in general, manufacturing jobs pay better than service jobs. I hope that helps you to understand the issue.

I understand the issue very well. The other side of manufacturing jobs is that they tend to be dead end jobs, there is little to no chance for advancement. And they are also the easiest to lose to a machine. That is why in the 80s while manufacturing employment numbers were crashing, manufacturing output kept going up. People have been told these are "good" jobs, but other than the money, there is not much to like about them

 

[toomuchtime_]

I am.

I think it is more than billions in tax breaks that they are gettting than the tariffs.

Also, do not count your chickens before they hatch, FoxConn has a history of making promises to build a plant and either never does or it is about 1/10 of what they said it would be.

Tax breaks might play a part in deciding where in the US the factory will be but it makes no sense to build a factory if you can't sell the products at a competitive price. The point is, tariffs used with precision can benefit the US economy, and across the board free trade has not.

Huge waste of tax dollars.

Foxconn may not manufacture anything in Wisconsin after all

Why are you so hostile to efforts to create good jobs for Americans?

I don’t trust politicians to pick winners and losers. Always ends badly for tax payer.

For your posts to make any sense at all, you either must believe the entire government of WI is on the take from Foxconn or that no one in the state government can do arithmetic, otherwise you would realize the state governrment did the math and determined the state's economy and the people would be better off if the company built its factory there even if it cost some money to get it done.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

$3 billion on cash payments from WI tax payers and a 25 year break even point. Will we even be using those screens in 25 years?

Why is it that only Republicans are interested in creating good jobs for Americans anymore? That used to be an interest of the Democrats but it clearly is not an interest of today's Democratic Party.

What is a "good" job? Is working in a factory preforming the same function 1000 times a day, 260 days a year a "good" job?

Most workers consider a good job to be one that pays well by their standards and in general, manufacturing jobs pay better than service jobs. I hope that helps you to understand the issue.

Why is that? I would argue most service jobs are harder.

In general factory jobs pay better than service jobs. Service jobs like driving a taxi or flipping burgers or working in a restaurant just do not pay as much. Of course, waiting tables in an upscale restaurant may pay better, but most waiter jobs are not in such places.

 

[toomuchtime_]

I'm not sure what products you are talking about, but because of tariffs and tax cuts and deregulation, a South Korean firm is setting up a factory in the US, Wisconsin, I think, to manufacture flat screen tv's for the US market in competition with flat screen tv's currently made in South Korea and China.

$3 billion on cash payments from WI tax payers and a 25 year break even point. Will we even be using those screens in 25 years?

Why is it that only Republicans are interested in creating good jobs for Americans anymore? That used to be an interest of the Democrats but it clearly is not an interest of today's Democratic Party.

What is a "good" job? Is working in a factory preforming the same function 1000 times a day, 260 days a year a "good" job?

Most workers consider a good job to be one that pays well by their standards and in general, manufacturing jobs pay better than service jobs. I hope that helps you to understand the issue.

I understand the issue very well. The other side of manufacturing jobs is that they tend to be dead end jobs, there is little to no chance for advancement. And they are also the easiest to lose to a machine. That is why in the 80s while manufacturing employment numbers were crashing, manufacturing output kept going up. People have been told these are "good" jobs, but other than the money, there is not much to like about them

It's all true, but when you are raising a family and paying all the bills associated with it, what you are looking for is the best paying job you can find. There is good reason to believe that with AI most low skilled jobs will someday be lost to machines, but if you are raising a family now, you are probably not concerned with that when you are looking for a job.

 

[Brain357]

I think it is more than billions in tax breaks that they are gettting than the tariffs.

Also, do not count your chickens before they hatch, FoxConn has a history of making promises to build a plant and either never does or it is about 1/10 of what they said it would be.

Tax breaks might play a part in deciding where in the US the factory will be but it makes no sense to build a factory if you can't sell the products at a competitive price. The point is, tariffs used with precision can benefit the US economy, and across the board free trade has not.

Huge waste of tax dollars.

Foxconn may not manufacture anything in Wisconsin after all

Why are you so hostile to efforts to create good jobs for Americans?

I don’t trust politicians to pick winners and losers. Always ends badly for tax payer.

For your posts to make any sense at all, you either must believe the entire government of WI is on the take from Foxconn or that no one in the state government can do arithmetic, otherwise you would realize the state governrment did the math and determined the state's economy and the people would be better off if the company built its factory there even if it cost some money to get it done.

Politicians also did the math that put us $22 trillion in debt. I see no reason to trust politicians. Based on the numbers given the Foxconn deal won't break even for 25 years. There is a good chance the plant will no longer be there in 25 years. If the plant is ever up and running.

 

[Brain357]

$3 billion on cash payments from WI tax payers and a 25 year break even point. Will we even be using those screens in 25 years?

Why is it that only Republicans are interested in creating good jobs for Americans anymore? That used to be an interest of the Democrats but it clearly is not an interest of today's Democratic Party.

What is a "good" job? Is working in a factory preforming the same function 1000 times a day, 260 days a year a "good" job?

Most workers consider a good job to be one that pays well by their standards and in general, manufacturing jobs pay better than service jobs. I hope that helps you to understand the issue.

Why is that? I would argue most service jobs are harder.

In general factory jobs pay better than service jobs. Service jobs like driving a taxi or flipping burgers or working in a restaurant just do not pay as much. Of course, waiting tables in an upscale restaurant may pay better, but most waiter jobs are not in such places.

I'm aware of that, I asked why is that? Seems most the service jobs are actually harder. Most would much rather work in manufacturing than fast food, that is for sure.