Are we getting more from government?

[Harpy Eagle]

GG claims to be a libertarian, yet here he is defending farm subsidies.

Isn't that a hoot?

Claims to not be a leftist, yet advocates for all socialist policies.

Farm subsidies are a Conservative staple, they are the ones that push them.

In the thread about socialism I have been told consistently they are not an example of socialism.

And none of you sheep said a fucking word when your god gave the farmers an extra 12 billion dollars last year.


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My God is not on this earth..for now. I seem to recall Trump gave soybean farmers 12 billion last year to help compensate for his tariffs until the market adjusts? I see nothing wrong with that, that's an emergency-type situation.

Then why do you worship the man in the White House?

And it was far more than just soybean farmers, it was hog operation, cherry growers, cotton, and more.


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We need tariffs to regulate imports/exports, not subsidies.

I've been saying that for around a decade or more.

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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[Marion Morrison]

Claims to not be a leftist, yet advocates for all socialist policies.

Farm subsidies are a Conservative staple, they are the ones that push them.

In the thread about socialism I have been told consistently they are not an example of socialism.

And none of you sheep said a fucking word when your god gave the farmers an extra 12 billion dollars last year.


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My God is not on this earth..for now. I seem to recall Trump gave soybean farmers 12 billion last year to help compensate for his tariffs until the market adjusts? I see nothing wrong with that, that's an emergency-type situation.

Then why do you worship the man in the White House?

And it was far more than just soybean farmers, it was hog operation, cherry growers, cotton, and more.


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We need tariffs to regulate imports/exports, not subsidies.

I've been saying that for around a decade or more.

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

 

[Brain357]

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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STFU, there's people that haven't grown anything in a decade or more and get a government check every year. That's wrong, period. That's done to keep the price of food up, let the price drop, I say.

GG claims to be a libertarian, yet here he is defending farm subsidies.

Isn't that a hoot?

Claims to not be a leftist, yet advocates for all socialist policies.

Farm subsidies are a Conservative staple, they are the ones that push them.

In the thread about socialism I have been told consistently they are not an example of socialism.

And none of you sheep said a fucking word when your god gave the farmers an extra 12 billion dollars last year.


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My God is not on this earth..for now. I seem to recall Trump gave soybean farmers 12 billion last year to help compensate for his tariffs until the market adjusts? I see nothing wrong with that, that's an emergency-type situation.

Government created emergency...

 

[Brain357]

Farm subsidies are a Conservative staple, they are the ones that push them.

In the thread about socialism I have been told consistently they are not an example of socialism.

And none of you sheep said a fucking word when your god gave the farmers an extra 12 billion dollars last year.


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My God is not on this earth..for now. I seem to recall Trump gave soybean farmers 12 billion last year to help compensate for his tariffs until the market adjusts? I see nothing wrong with that, that's an emergency-type situation.

Then why do you worship the man in the White House?

And it was far more than just soybean farmers, it was hog operation, cherry growers, cotton, and more.


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We need tariffs to regulate imports/exports, not subsidies.

I've been saying that for around a decade or more.

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

Yes we show them by taxing ourselves more...

 

[Marion Morrison]

My God is not on this earth..for now. I seem to recall Trump gave soybean farmers 12 billion last year to help compensate for his tariffs until the market adjusts? I see nothing wrong with that, that's an emergency-type situation.

Then why do you worship the man in the White House?

And it was far more than just soybean farmers, it was hog operation, cherry growers, cotton, and more.


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We need tariffs to regulate imports/exports, not subsidies.

I've been saying that for around a decade or more.

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

Yes we show them by taxing ourselves more...

It's to encourage domestic production, nitwit.

 

[Brain357]

Then why do you worship the man in the White House?

And it was far more than just soybean farmers, it was hog operation, cherry growers, cotton, and more.


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We need tariffs to regulate imports/exports, not subsidies.

I've been saying that for around a decade or more.

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

Yes we show them by taxing ourselves more...

It's to encourage domestic production, nitwit.

Economists are against tariffs for a reason. They don’t work...

 

[bripat9643]

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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That's just dairy, what about if there's too much corn, hmm?

If there too much corn the price drops, which it does regardless of subsidies or not.

This is another area you try to talk about but are clueless about. Quit while you are behind

How much did prices go up during the 2012 drought that saw many farmers getting half their normal yield?


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So why not let the dairy industry be subject to the same market forces

it's not like people have to drink milk to be healthy

Farmers vote for the politicians who support subsidies.

People who aren't farmers vastly outnumber the people who are so the few pols farmers have in their pockets are not nearly enough to guarantee they keep their subsidies

Government can afford to subsidize a segment of the population only when it's small. That's why farmers get subsidized.

 

[bripat9643]

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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STFU, there's people that haven't grown anything in a decade or more and get a government check every year. That's wrong, period. That's done to keep the price of food up, let the price drop, I say.

GG claims to be a libertarian, yet here he is defending farm subsidies.

Isn't that a hoot?

Have not defended anything, just presented the facts.

It is your party and your god in the White House that uses them to buy farmers votes


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That's what you always claim when your defending something that libertarians oppose.

 

[g5000]

We have a food industry due to heavy government subsidy. Every single part of it from seed to grocery shopper exists in it's current form because food supplies are a primary strategic asset. Farm subsidies, food stamps. highways, irrigation projects, flood control, inspections etc.

We do not have food shortage or widespread hunger here even in the worst of times. On this we take the government completely for granted.

You give shitty, no good, useless, wasteful government WAY too much credit.

.

I just went through a hurricane where food and fuel seriously got scarce for about a week. I've seen what happens when the infrastructure we live in disappears. Don't get too comfortable.

Yeah, I live in Texas. We know. Private charities and individuals did great to help the victims. Government is not necessary.

Utter horseshit.

Hurricane Harvey did $121 billion in damage to public infrastructure and housing in Texas.

Good luck raising that from charity, fool. They raised less than $250 million.

 

[Marion Morrison]

We need tariffs to regulate imports/exports, not subsidies.

I've been saying that for around a decade or more.

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

Yes we show them by taxing ourselves more...

It's to encourage domestic production, nitwit.

Economists are against tariffs for a reason. They don’t work...

They worked for 150+ years in America. Only when the Fed needed to grow more (did it really?) were tariffs no longer enough to fund the government.

 

[Brain357]

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

Yes we show them by taxing ourselves more...

It's to encourage domestic production, nitwit.

Economists are against tariffs for a reason. They don’t work...

They worked for 150+ years in America. Only when the Fed needed to grow more (did it really?) were tariffs no longer enough to fund the government.

Yes they are great at being a tax. That is all they do.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

Let me change that statement:

Some "farmers" that have been paid not to grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

 

[Marion Morrison]

We have a food industry due to heavy government subsidy. Every single part of it from seed to grocery shopper exists in it's current form because food supplies are a primary strategic asset. Farm subsidies, food stamps. highways, irrigation projects, flood control, inspections etc.

We do not have food shortage or widespread hunger here even in the worst of times. On this we take the government completely for granted.

Horseshit. People would still grow and sell food without government subsidies.

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Ehh, that sounds like the Mom&Pops would get run out of business, I don't like that idea. There need to be protections in place for smaller farmers. Right now the gov't heavily favors corporate farming.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

Let me change that statement:

Some "farmers" that have been paid not to grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

That works.

 

[g5000]

Are we getting more from government?

It all depends on what you mean by "more".

If the government builds a road, that is an investment which allows for the movement of goods which in turn provide revenue which surpasses the initial investment.

It seems to me the government is providing less and less of that type of investment, and is providing more and more money for programs which create an unhealthy and unproductive dependency.

So, yeah. We are getting more from government. But not in a good way.

 

[g5000]

I think we are getting more and more government interference which is preserving and protecting sclerotic and broken business models at the expense of innovation and the economy.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Farm subsidies are a Conservative staple, they are the ones that push them.

In the thread about socialism I have been told consistently they are not an example of socialism.

And none of you sheep said a fucking word when your god gave the farmers an extra 12 billion dollars last year.


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My God is not on this earth..for now. I seem to recall Trump gave soybean farmers 12 billion last year to help compensate for his tariffs until the market adjusts? I see nothing wrong with that, that's an emergency-type situation.

Then why do you worship the man in the White House?

And it was far more than just soybean farmers, it was hog operation, cherry growers, cotton, and more.


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We need tariffs to regulate imports/exports, not subsidies.

I've been saying that for around a decade or more.

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

When those products come here and we the people buy them, we are paying the tariff.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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STFU, there's people that haven't grown anything in a decade or more and get a government check every year. That's wrong, period. That's done to keep the price of food up, let the price drop, I say.

GG claims to be a libertarian, yet here he is defending farm subsidies.

Isn't that a hoot?

Have not defended anything, just presented the facts.

It is your party and your god in the White House that uses them to buy farmers votes


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That's what you always claim when your defending something that libertarians oppose.

It is not my fault you are too stupid to know the different between defending something and presenting facts.

 

[toomuchtime_]

My God is not on this earth..for now. I seem to recall Trump gave soybean farmers 12 billion last year to help compensate for his tariffs until the market adjusts? I see nothing wrong with that, that's an emergency-type situation.

Then why do you worship the man in the White House?

And it was far more than just soybean farmers, it was hog operation, cherry growers, cotton, and more.


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We need tariffs to regulate imports/exports, not subsidies.

I've been saying that for around a decade or more.

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

When those products come here and we the people buy them, we are paying the tariff.

So if you are what economists consider a rational consumer you will prefer a domestic product at a lower price, hence creating more jobs for Americans and more tax revenues for the government.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Then why do you worship the man in the White House?

And it was far more than just soybean farmers, it was hog operation, cherry growers, cotton, and more.


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We need tariffs to regulate imports/exports, not subsidies.

I've been saying that for around a decade or more.

Tariffs are a socialist tool and are nothing more than a tax on the consumer buying the product.


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Except when you have to use them on other countries' products because they use them on yours.

When those products come here and we the people buy them, we are paying the tariff.

So if you are what economists consider a rational consumer you will prefer a domestic product at a lower price, hence creating more jobs for Americans and more tax revenues for the government.

The problem with that is that for many products, is that the import is far less expense and the tariffs are not enough to make it more than the American made and if it did then fewer people would be able to afford it, so there is no gain in revenues