Are we getting more from government?

[Marion Morrison]

We have a food industry due to heavy government subsidy. Every single part of it from seed to grocery shopper exists in it's current form because food supplies are a primary strategic asset. Farm subsidies, food stamps. highways, irrigation projects, flood control, inspections etc.

We do not have food shortage or widespread hunger here even in the worst of times. On this we take the government completely for granted.

Horseshit. People would still grow and sell food without government subsidies.

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

We have a food industry due to heavy government subsidy. Every single part of it from seed to grocery shopper exists in it's current form because food supplies are a primary strategic asset. Farm subsidies, food stamps. highways, irrigation projects, flood control, inspections etc.

We do not have food shortage or widespread hunger here even in the worst of times. On this we take the government completely for granted.

Horseshit. People would still grow and sell food without government subsidies.

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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Wrong, shit for brains, subsidies keep prices artificially high. The government pays farmers not to grow food. That reduces the supply. Lower supply means higher prices.

You people should really not talk about things you have no clue about.

Out of the 20 billion a year given to farmers, 8% goes to the programs that pay farmers not to plant. Less than 7% of all cropland is under these programs. The rest goes towards reducing risk, ensuring stability and low/no cost loans to farmers. All those things keep prices lower overall while keeping them steady.

Dairy operations get 70% of their revenue from subsidies, you think that going away will bring prices down?

Even you can’t be that stupid.


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[Harpy Eagle]

We have a food industry due to heavy government subsidy. Every single part of it from seed to grocery shopper exists in it's current form because food supplies are a primary strategic asset. Farm subsidies, food stamps. highways, irrigation projects, flood control, inspections etc.

We do not have food shortage or widespread hunger here even in the worst of times. On this we take the government completely for granted.

Horseshit. People would still grow and sell food without government subsidies.

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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[Marion Morrison]

Horseshit. People would still grow and sell food without government subsidies.

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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That's just dairy, what about if there's too much corn, hmm?

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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That's just dairy, what about if there's too much corn, hmm?

If there too much corn the price drops, which it does regardless of subsidies or not.

This is another area you try to talk about but are clueless about. Quit while you are behind

How much did prices go up during the 2012 drought that saw many farmers getting half their normal yield?


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[bripat9643]

Horseshit. People would still grow and sell food without government subsidies.

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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Wrong, shit for brains, subsidies keep prices artificially high. The government pays farmers not to grow food. That reduces the supply. Lower supply means higher prices.

You people should really not talk about things you have no clue about.

Out of the 20 billion a year given to farmers, 8% goes to the programs that pay farmers not to plant. Less than 7% of all cropland is under these programs. The rest goes towards reducing risk, ensuring stability and low/no cost loans to farmers. All those things keep prices lower overall while keeping them steady.

Dairy operations get 70% of their revenue from subsidies, you think that going away will bring prices down?

Even you can’t be that stupid.


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Yep, they get paid not to produce milk. Otherwise supply would go up, prices would go down, and their revenue would go down.

What the hell does "reduced risk" entail? It means getting paid not to grow food. So does "ensuring stability. Anyway you look at it, farm subsidies do not help the consumer/taxpayer.

Here you are defending government boondoggles again, just like a good little libertarian, right?

 

[Blues Man]

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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That's just dairy, what about if there's too much corn, hmm?

If there too much corn the price drops, which it does regardless of subsidies or not.

This is another area you try to talk about but are clueless about. Quit while you are behind

How much did prices go up during the 2012 drought that saw many farmers getting half their normal yield?


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So why not let the dairy industry be subject to the same market forces

it's not like people have to drink milk to be healthy

 

[bripat9643]

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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That's just dairy, what about if there's too much corn, hmm?

Corn prices are subsidized by forcing consumers to put Ethanol in their cars.

 

[my2¢]

The one area where I'm more pleased is how this administration is less concerned about sending our dough overseas. I'm liberal enough to favor humanitarian aid but stuff like that whole period of nation building in Iraq really got me down.

 

[Marion Morrison]

Horseshit. People would still grow and sell food without government subsidies.

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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STFU, there's people that haven't grown anything in a decade or more and get a government check every year. That's wrong, period. That's done to keep the price of food up, let the price drop, I say. Get the government out of there, and let the market equalize.

The government will have to pay more for free milk that goes to illegal Mexicans, though.

 

[bripat9643]

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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That's just dairy, what about if there's too much corn, hmm?

If there too much corn the price drops, which it does regardless of subsidies or not.

This is another area you try to talk about but are clueless about. Quit while you are behind

How much did prices go up during the 2012 drought that saw many farmers getting half their normal yield?


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So why not let the dairy industry be subject to the same market forces

it's not like people have to drink milk to be healthy

Farmers vote for the politicians who support subsidies.

 

[bripat9643]

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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STFU, there's people that haven't grown anything in a decade or more and get a government check every year. That's wrong, period. That's done to keep the price of food up, let the price drop, I say.

GG claims to be a libertarian, yet here he is defending farm subsidies.

Isn't that a hoot?

 

[Blues Man]

^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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That's just dairy, what about if there's too much corn, hmm?

If there too much corn the price drops, which it does regardless of subsidies or not.

This is another area you try to talk about but are clueless about. Quit while you are behind

How much did prices go up during the 2012 drought that saw many farmers getting half their normal yield?


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So why not let the dairy industry be subject to the same market forces

it's not like people have to drink milk to be healthy

Farmers vote for the politicians who support subsidies.

People who aren't farmers vastly outnumber the people who are so the few pols farmers have in their pockets are not nearly enough to guarantee they keep their subsidies

 

[Marion Morrison]

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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STFU, there's people that haven't grown anything in a decade or more and get a government check every year. That's wrong, period. That's done to keep the price of food up, let the price drop, I say.

GG claims to be a libertarian, yet here he is defending farm subsidies.

Isn't that a hoot?

Claims to not be a leftist, yet advocates for all socialist policies.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Some people that really haven't grown anything in a decade would have to do something productive to make it, though.

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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STFU, there's people that haven't grown anything in a decade or more and get a government check every year. That's wrong, period. That's done to keep the price of food up, let the price drop, I say.

Yes it is wrong, but it only accounts for 8% of all farm subsidies and only 7% of cropland


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[Harpy Eagle]

If they haven't been growing anything, then obviously their output isn't needed. If the government stopped crop subsidies entirely, all that would happen is that farmers would have to lower their prices slightly and a few more of them would go out of business. Other more efficient farms would buy up the ones that went bankrupt and the average size of farms would increase.

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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STFU, there's people that haven't grown anything in a decade or more and get a government check every year. That's wrong, period. That's done to keep the price of food up, let the price drop, I say.

GG claims to be a libertarian, yet here he is defending farm subsidies.

Isn't that a hoot?

Have not defended anything, just presented the facts.

It is your party and your god in the White House that uses them to buy farmers votes


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[Harpy Eagle]

Why would they lower their prices? Farm subsidies keep the prices artificially low. Take them away prices go up, way up in some areas. This is why it will never happen, the GOP loves to redistribute our money to the farmers.


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^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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STFU, there's people that haven't grown anything in a decade or more and get a government check every year. That's wrong, period. That's done to keep the price of food up, let the price drop, I say.

GG claims to be a libertarian, yet here he is defending farm subsidies.

Isn't that a hoot?

Claims to not be a leftist, yet advocates for all socialist policies.

Farm subsidies are a Conservative staple, they are the ones that push them.

In the thread about socialism I have been told consistently they are not an example of socialism.

And none of you sheep said a fucking word when your god gave the farmers an extra 12 billion dollars last year.


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[Marion Morrison]

^There is absolutely no way you work in Ag and believe this. Chalk up another lie for GG.

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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STFU, there's people that haven't grown anything in a decade or more and get a government check every year. That's wrong, period. That's done to keep the price of food up, let the price drop, I say.

GG claims to be a libertarian, yet here he is defending farm subsidies.

Isn't that a hoot?

Claims to not be a leftist, yet advocates for all socialist policies.

Farm subsidies are a Conservative staple, they are the ones that push them.

In the thread about socialism I have been told consistently they are not an example of socialism.

And none of you sheep said a fucking word when your god gave the farmers an extra 12 billion dollars last year.


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My God is not on this earth..for now. I seem to recall Trump gave soybean farmers 12 billion last year to help compensate for his tariffs until the market adjusts? I see nothing wrong with that, that's an emergency-type situation.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Once again you are a clueless idiot.

Dairy farmers get 70% of their revenue from subsides..and you think taking that away will lower the cost to you?

You are one dumb MoFo


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STFU, there's people that haven't grown anything in a decade or more and get a government check every year. That's wrong, period. That's done to keep the price of food up, let the price drop, I say.

GG claims to be a libertarian, yet here he is defending farm subsidies.

Isn't that a hoot?

Claims to not be a leftist, yet advocates for all socialist policies.

Farm subsidies are a Conservative staple, they are the ones that push them.

In the thread about socialism I have been told consistently they are not an example of socialism.

And none of you sheep said a fucking word when your god gave the farmers an extra 12 billion dollars last year.


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My God is not on this earth..for now. I seem to recall Trump gave soybean farmers 12 billion last year to help compensate for his tariffs until the market adjusts? I see nothing wrong with that, that's an emergency-type situation.

Then why do you worship the man in the White House?

And it was far more than just soybean farmers, it was hog operation, cherry growers, cotton, and more.


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[Marion Morrison]

STFU, there's people that haven't grown anything in a decade or more and get a government check every year. That's wrong, period. That's done to keep the price of food up, let the price drop, I say.

GG claims to be a libertarian, yet here he is defending farm subsidies.

Isn't that a hoot?

Claims to not be a leftist, yet advocates for all socialist policies.

Farm subsidies are a Conservative staple, they are the ones that push them.

In the thread about socialism I have been told consistently they are not an example of socialism.

And none of you sheep said a fucking word when your god gave the farmers an extra 12 billion dollars last year.


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My God is not on this earth..for now. I seem to recall Trump gave soybean farmers 12 billion last year to help compensate for his tariffs until the market adjusts? I see nothing wrong with that, that's an emergency-type situation.

Then why do you worship the man in the White House?

And it was far more than just soybean farmers, it was hog operation, cherry growers, cotton, and more.


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We need tariffs to regulate imports/exports, not subsidies.

I've been saying that for around a decade or more.