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The post you responded to was about women giving their lives to save a fetus. Now, who is stupid?Take your Drama Queen show elsewhere, Brotch.Of course it's been done for generations by those who think the woman's life is worthless.That's already been done...Several in the first RNC debate think a woman should die to save her fetus.
Colorado Mother Dies After Choosing to Save Miracle Baby KTLA
Mrs. H. and myself saved our own daughter from a pre-born evisceration.
It's not that complicated, actually.
My ex was under no duress, other than her own selfish goals. Fuck that bitch.
After being told that our daughter would most likely be born with Downs Syndrome, my wife said "you take what life gives you". And she's a Goddamn Liberal. Go figger.
Sort that shit out in your tiny brain,
On one hand, you finally admitted that this is exactly what it comes down to: ending the life of an pre-birth human being as a form of birth control. On the other, I have little to no doubt that you'll fall back to one of the other pro-choice positions (such as "it's just a blob of cells" or "it's not alive yet" or "show me one person using this as birth control") as soon as it becomes expedient.Women were long ago granted the legal right to cessate the life of a pre-born human being.
It's the only form of birth control that has been proven to be 100% successful.
Get over it.
Nope. I'm an Alabamian born and bred. My recent ancestors illegally immigrated here after the Russian Commie scum took over Poland.Abortion is a single-issue-stupid-voter subject. Focusing on that alone blinds one to the comprehensive understanding multiple issues.
Pedro is a fucking internationalist communist Russian trying to stir shit up from St.Petersburg, Russia in here. Pedro you have nothing at stake here go back to your dasha relax, get drunk on some Stolichnaya.
As opposed to a fetus giving their life for a woman?The post you responded to was about women giving their lives to save a fetus. Now, who is stupid?Take your Drama Queen show elsewhere, Brotch.Of course it's been done for generations by those who think the woman's life is worthless.That's already been done...Several in the first RNC debate think a woman should die to save her fetus.
Colorado Mother Dies After Choosing to Save Miracle Baby KTLA
Mrs. H. and myself saved our own daughter from a pre-born evisceration.
It's not that complicated, actually.
My ex was under no duress, other than her own selfish goals. Fuck that bitch.
After being told that our daughter would most likely be born with Downs Syndrome, my wife said "you take what life gives you". And she's a Goddamn Liberal. Go figger.
Sort that shit out in your tiny brain,
Voters had absolutely nothing to do with Roe V Wade. It was in the hands of an appointed Supreme Court.Abortion is a single-issue-stupid-voter subject. Focusing on that alone blinds one to the comprehensive understanding multiple issues.
Pedro is a fucking internationalist communist Russian trying to stir shit up from St.Petersburg, Russia in here. Pedro you have nothing at stake here go back to your dasha relax, get drunk on some Stolichnaya.
Sort of like the nationally legalized same sex marriage debacle.
I haven't left a single child to starve, or ever advocated sending kids into war zones. I'm sure you have multiple links that verify that other pro lifers do, or you would never have said that. I'll wait for that...I want to know which of my fellow pro lifers are advocating such things.It's sickening seeing how many people use this label without knowing what it means. It's not just anti-abortion. Protecting children from the pro-abort crowd is just one facet. A true pro-life position is also:
anti-execution
pro-reform
anti-euthanasia
pro-healthcare
anti-poverty
pro-welfare
anti-war
pro-internationalism
anti-inequality
pro-immigrant
anti-sexist
pro-family
anti-racist
pro-social harmony
These aren't just words. They aren't labels. They are hard and fast positions. To call oneself pro-life and demand someone's death is a blunt contradiction. Claim to promote peace and hawk for war and you're simply the worst sort of hypocrite. Say you care about children and then leave them to starve in the streets or send them back to grow up in a war zone and you're no better than the baby butchers than whom you pretend to be any different.
Voters had absolutely nothing to do with Roe V Wade. It was in the hands of an appointed Supreme Court.Abortion is a single-issue-stupid-voter subject. Focusing on that alone blinds one to the comprehensive understanding multiple issues.
Pedro is a fucking internationalist communist Russian trying to stir shit up from St.Petersburg, Russia in here. Pedro you have nothing at stake here go back to your dasha relax, get drunk on some Stolichnaya.
Sort of like the nationally legalized same sex marriage debacle.
The two issues have nothing in common other than being decisions being made by the courts.
The only problem I have with abortions is that I don't think abortions should be allowed after the first trimester unless the pregnancy endangers the mothers life.
As for SSM. I have lots of issues with the courts violating the 14th Amendment and Civil Rights Act.
*****SMILE*****
Welfare isn't a reward for lazy behavior. It's paying a little extra on your taxes to give the desperately poor the money to eat a meal a day and a shitty apartment so they can move out of the streets.You can be procharity but not for govt welfare that rewards enabling behavior!
Those weren't labels. They were positions. You can call yourself "pro-life" but it doesn't mean shit if you're just talking about abortion. That's not all it involves. Abortion is just one small aspect of a wider problem, which is the cheapness our world assigns life. If you're not working to counteract this problem then it doesn't apply to you. If someone isn't making an effort to improve the lives of their brothers and sisters then they haven't earned the right to call themselves that.You are not distinguishing the POLITICAL/LEGAL label from the reality of what people support.
Being for education and being for the current educational system are two totally different things. A free, high quality education is a human right. Every child deserves to go to school and acquire the skills to become a functional, contributing member of society. You can work for reform all you want but fundamentally that's what you need to believe.I can be for education but against what public schools are doing wrong to mess it up.
Being against war has nothing to do with being against the military or national defense. Clearly a strong defensive capability is anti-war in that it literally does deter war from occurring.I can be FOR national defense but against abuse of military for unjustified war and war crimes.
Are you using "pro-choice" to mean "pro-legal abortion" or "pro-democratically making laws regarding it"? I can't tell.I can even be AGAINST abortion and 100% for preventing it in 100% of all cases,
and yet Legally support prochoice where any laws are passed by free choice and consensus
since I find that more constitutional.
You could, but you'd be shooting yourself in the foot. Keep it as an option and watch it be used.I can be AGAINST execution and 100% for preventing 100% of murders and 100% of executions
but legally support keeping the OPTION of execution legal on the books to use as leverage
in compelling people to work with authorities on resolving crimes and deciding a plan for restitution.
I'm utterly against it and have been since about twelve. The last couple threads were more or less experimental restatements of their talking points.
Then let's do it. Every time someone offers to work with me on this I take them up on it. Nobody's seriously meant it yet. If you do, then I'm totally willing to help with something like this personally. I have the free time and plenty of stored leave. I have cash, work ethic, and motivation to bring to the table. Let's discuss what we can do...I'd like to work with you on more constructive approaches to ending abortion that don't target women
... That isn't just tell people not to have sex I mean... Yeah. Ideally that's what people would do. They would only do the thing that makes babies with someone with whom they wouldn't mind making babies. That's just not practical though. It's just not going to happen. People are going to have sex regardless of what you tell them.but focus on men and women not having sex if one or both partners aren't in agreement to have children.
A lot of pro-choice individuals and groups claim to be pro-life too. They never prove it. I mean, just think if say Planned Parenthood actually worked with us to crack down on sex trafficking. Think how much revenue they'd lose.This is better addressed on a personal level, but it would help if prochoice and prolife groups worked in UNISON so we share a unified message and enforce the same direction, not divide against and obstruct each other.
A totally neutered, dying faction that the mainstream habitually sidelines yeah.How can we work together? there is a faction of Prolife Democrats within the party.
Set up educational resources. Supply free contraception. Support sex education and various welfare programs. Work for reform in the adoption system. That's just what comes immediately to mind.What can we do to work more effectively to prevent and end abortion.
Neither of us can legislate anything. We can work with our congressmen to a degree I guess but whatcha got that's actually practical at the personal level?With the challenge of staying within Constitutional bounds and not passing laws that are unfairly biased
and/or working on mutually agreed legislation that both sides support as preventing abortion without
targeting or discriminating against women, penalizing or punishing them while not holding the men accountable.
You have to be vegetarian before you're allowed to defend women and children? What rule book is that in? Link, please.How many "pro-lifers" are anti-executions, vegetarians and anti-war?
I'm going to say not many.
You have to be vegetarian before you're allowed to defend women and children? What rule book is that in? Link, please.How many "pro-lifers" are anti-executions, vegetarians and anti-war?
I'm going to say not many.
That's exactly what I'm saying is a problem. We have waaay too many people using this title who haven't earned it and have no idea what it even means. Plenty just adopted it because it sounds good. Plenty more think abortion is the only issue that matters.How many "pro-lifers" are anti-executions, vegetarians and anti-war?
I'm going to say not many.
Good heavens, a pontificating asshead. You certainly like to blather. Meanwhile, what total claptrap. You don't have the moral authority to dictate what pro lifers must believe. That's the problem with baby killers....they think they have the authority to take life at will, and assign thought. Guess what....you don't. People don't have to pass a test before they're 'allowed' to speak out against human rights violations. Go take a nap.Welfare isn't a reward for lazy behavior. It's paying a little extra on your taxes to give the desperately poor the money to eat a meal a day and a shitty apartment so they can move out of the streets.You can be procharity but not for govt welfare that rewards enabling behavior!
Those weren't labels. They were positions. You can call yourself "pro-life" but it doesn't mean shit if you're just talking about abortion. That's not all it involves. Abortion is just one small aspect of a wider problem, which is the cheapness our world assigns life. If you're not working to counteract this problem then it doesn't apply to you. If someone isn't making an effort to improve the lives of their brothers and sisters then they haven't earned the right to call themselves that.You are not distinguishing the POLITICAL/LEGAL label from the reality of what people support.
Being for education and being for the current educational system are two totally different things. A free, high quality education is a human right. Every child deserves to go to school and acquire the skills to become a functional, contributing member of society. You can work for reform all you want but fundamentally that's what you need to believe.I can be for education but against what public schools are doing wrong to mess it up.
Being against war has nothing to do with being against the military or national defense. Clearly a strong defensive capability is anti-war in that it literally does deter war from occurring.I can be FOR national defense but against abuse of military for unjustified war and war crimes.
Are you using "pro-choice" to mean "pro-legal abortion" or "pro-democratically making laws regarding it"? I can't tell.I can even be AGAINST abortion and 100% for preventing it in 100% of all cases,
and yet Legally support prochoice where any laws are passed by free choice and consensus
since I find that more constitutional.
You could, but you'd be shooting yourself in the foot. Keep it as an option and watch it be used.I can be AGAINST execution and 100% for preventing 100% of murders and 100% of executions
but legally support keeping the OPTION of execution legal on the books to use as leverage
in compelling people to work with authorities on resolving crimes and deciding a plan for restitution.
I'm utterly against it and have been since about twelve. The last couple threads were more or less experimental restatements of their talking points.
Then let's do it. Every time someone offers to work with me on this I take them up on it. Nobody's seriously meant it yet. If you do, then I'm totally willing to help with something like this personally. I have the free time and plenty of stored leave. I have cash, work ethic, and motivation to bring to the table. Let's discuss what we can do...I'd like to work with you on more constructive approaches to ending abortion that don't target women
... That isn't just tell people not to have sex I mean... Yeah. Ideally that's what people would do. They would only do the thing that makes babies with someone with whom they wouldn't mind making babies. That's just not practical though. It's just not going to happen. People are going to have sex regardless of what you tell them.but focus on men and women not having sex if one or both partners aren't in agreement to have children.
A lot of pro-choice individuals and groups claim to be pro-life too. They never prove it. I mean, just think if say Planned Parenthood actually worked with us to crack down on sex trafficking. Think how much revenue they'd lose.This is better addressed on a personal level, but it would help if prochoice and prolife groups worked in UNISON so we share a unified message and enforce the same direction, not divide against and obstruct each other.
A totally neutered, dying faction that the mainstream habitually sidelines yeah.How can we work together? there is a faction of Prolife Democrats within the party.
Set up educational resources. Supply free contraception. Support sex education and various welfare programs. Work for reform in the adoption system. That's just what comes immediately to mind.What can we do to work more effectively to prevent and end abortion.
Neither of us can legislate anything. We can work with our congressmen to a degree I guess but whatcha got that's actually practical at the personal level?With the challenge of staying within Constitutional bounds and not passing laws that are unfairly biased
and/or working on mutually agreed legislation that both sides support as preventing abortion without
targeting or discriminating against women, penalizing or punishing them while not holding the men accountable.
How many "pro-lifers" are anti-executions, vegetarians and anti-war?
I'm going to say not many.
Yes, you did.You have to be vegetarian before you're allowed to defend women and children? What rule book is that in? Link, please.How many "pro-lifers" are anti-executions, vegetarians and anti-war?
I'm going to say not many.
No, I didn't say that. Read what I wrote again. It might help.
That's exactly what I'm saying is a problem. We have waaay too many people using this title who haven't earned it and have no idea what it even means. Plenty just adopted it because it sounds good. Plenty more think abortion is the only issue that matters.How many "pro-lifers" are anti-executions, vegetarians and anti-war?
I'm going to say not many.
How many "pro-lifers" are anti-executions, vegetarians and anti-war?
I'm going to say not many.
It must be very convenient to be able to say you're anti-war with the current president being the blood-soaked Nobel Champion Of Peace who can murder over 25,000 people in six months in a country we weren't at war with, namely Libya, without Congressional Approval or a declaration of war..... Perhaps if Hillary gets in office she can beat him on the body count, without Congressional approval or a declaration of war, and get her Nobel Prize too.
*****CHUCKLE*****
It's sickening seeing how many people use this label without knowing what it means. It's not just anti-abortion. Protecting children from the pro-abort crowd is just one facet. A true pro-life position is also:
anti-execution
pro-reform
anti-euthanasia
pro-healthcare
anti-poverty
pro-welfare
anti-war
pro-internationalism
anti-inequality
pro-immigrant
anti-sexist
pro-family
anti-racist
pro-social harmony
These aren't just words. They aren't labels. They are hard and fast positions. To call oneself pro-life and demand someone's death is a blunt contradiction. Claim to promote peace and hawk for war and you're simply the worst sort of hypocrite. Say you care about children and then leave them to starve in the streets or send them back to grow up in a war zone and you're no better than the baby butchers than whom you pretend to be any different.
Whoa there buckaroo!
You can be pro charity but not for govt welfare that rewards enabling behavior!
You are not distinguishing the POLITICAL/LEGAL label from the reality of what people support.
I can be for education but against what public schools are doing wrong to mess it up.
I can be FOR national defense but against abuse of military for unjustified war and war crimes.
I can even be AGAINST abortion and 100% for preventing it in 100% of all cases,
and yet Legally support pro choice where any laws are passed by free choice and consensus
since I find that more constitutional.
I can be AGAINST execution and 100% for preventing 100% of murders and 100% of executions
but legally support keeping the OPTION of execution legal on the books to use as leverage
in compelling people to work with authorities on resolving crimes and deciding a plan for restitution.
Just because you are LEGALLY for the choice of abortion, war, executions, etc.
doesn't mean you can't be 100% against these things. making them legal or illegal is a separate
level from the real work it takes to prevent them in practice! Sometimes keeping them legal
takes political pressure off so groups can work together to PREVENT more cases of what you are so against!
Yes, you did.You have to be vegetarian before you're allowed to defend women and children? What rule book is that in? Link, please.How many "pro-lifers" are anti-executions, vegetarians and anti-war?
I'm going to say not many.
No, I didn't say that. Read what I wrote again. It might help.
Do you think I care? You're an idiot who thinks it's hypocritical to try to save the lives of women and children if you're not a vegetarian. I've heard a lot of fruit loopery from baby killers, but that's even crazier than the usual tripe.Yes, you did.You have to be vegetarian before you're allowed to defend women and children? What rule book is that in? Link, please.How many "pro-lifers" are anti-executions, vegetarians and anti-war?
I'm going to say not many.
No, I didn't say that. Read what I wrote again. It might help.
No, clearly I didn't. But if you don't want to debate properly, then this might as well be our last exchange.
ER..yes, it is.It's sickening seeing how many people use this label without knowing what it means. It's not just anti-abortion. Protecting children from the pro-abort crowd is just one facet. A true pro-life position is also:
anti-execution
pro-reform
anti-euthanasia
pro-healthcare
anti-poverty
pro-welfare
anti-war
pro-internationalism
anti-inequality
pro-immigrant
anti-sexist
pro-family
anti-racist
pro-social harmony
These aren't just words. They aren't labels. They are hard and fast positions. To call oneself pro-life and demand someone's death is a blunt contradiction. Claim to promote peace and hawk for war and you're simply the worst sort of hypocrite. Say you care about children and then leave them to starve in the streets or send them back to grow up in a war zone and you're no better than the baby butchers than whom you pretend to be any different.
Whoa there buckaroo!
You can be pro charity but not for govt welfare that rewards enabling behavior!
You are not distinguishing the POLITICAL/LEGAL label from the reality of what people support.
I can be for education but against what public schools are doing wrong to mess it up.
I can be FOR national defense but against abuse of military for unjustified war and war crimes.
I can even be AGAINST abortion and 100% for preventing it in 100% of all cases,
and yet Legally support pro choice where any laws are passed by free choice and consensus
since I find that more constitutional.
I can be AGAINST execution and 100% for preventing 100% of murders and 100% of executions
but legally support keeping the OPTION of execution legal on the books to use as leverage
in compelling people to work with authorities on resolving crimes and deciding a plan for restitution.
Just because you are LEGALLY for the choice of abortion, war, executions, etc.
doesn't mean you can't be 100% against these things. making them legal or illegal is a separate
level from the real work it takes to prevent them in practice! Sometimes keeping them legal
takes political pressure off so groups can work together to PREVENT more cases of what you are so against!
government welfare is not charity
