Art As Servant of The State

[Socialist]

This is.. embarrassing. There is nothing wrong with the word "collective" Humans are social animals, the majority of human history has consisted of humans living in tight family groups, and it still happens today, even in societies in the first world, humans wouldn't have been able to survive if we weren't social animals.

Its a word that carries baggage. I think 'society' or 'civilization' would work just as well. Better even as neither term is as loaded.

You can run but you can't hide.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism


All fruit of the same poison tree.

And 'collective' is the operative term for every one.

You don't now what any of those words entail, PC. They're just generic pejoratives to you. Making your list the rhetorical equivalent of watching a 4 year old curse.

Still running...but not hiding.
And...yes, they are a 'curse'.....they caused the slaughter of 100 million human beings.

Pick up a book once in a while.


And embrace that moron who calls himself 'Socialist.'
He's your ideological cousin.

Oh my fucking god. First of all, if you try to equate 100 million deaths directly due to all of the words you clearly do not understand, you are pathetic. Are we allowed to use the same standards for blaming deaths on capitalism? If every death in a capitalist country or famine gets to be blamed on capitalism, how many deaths are we talking about? I don't think you have the right to call anyone a moron, you're intellectually dishonest, and a ranting fool, that's just the truth, more so, how can you possibly attempt to blame 100 million deaths (Where do you get that number anyway? Take the highest estimates and run with it?) On socialism/communism/liberalism (Stalin/mao/etc crushed liberalism by the way, try again.) Then again, I guess we can ignore all historical analysis and be a dishonest idiot like you. Also, fuck stalin and Mao, I'm honest though.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Thank god TK came here to rescue PC.

This is your attempt to save face????

Memo: you can't save what you never had.

See if you can follow this:
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead: it's only a reality for others. And that relates to you: it's the same when you're stupid.

Do people in your real life call you a blowhard?

You've not addressed my question. Are you claiming to have authored anything that you have submitted in the two posts I highlighted? Please help us out by using a different color font for shit you author and shit you simply copy.

Thanks.

Sorry....you still can't dig your way out of the pit I buried you in.

You have yet to attempt to respond to any of the material I've posted, you simply carp about the manner of presentation.
You and both know you don't have the ability to do so, and yet you do so strongly wish you could.


This is your third? fourth? post in a thread to which you have voluntarily subscribed.....yet not a word, a thought, about the subjects therein.

You roll in ignorance the way a pig rolls in mud.

Is that what you learned to do in government school?

Thee subject is bullshit. But you already know that.

How about responding to my question.

 

[Skylar]

This is.. embarrassing. There is nothing wrong with the word "collective" Humans are social animals, the majority of human history has consisted of humans living in tight family groups, and it still happens today, even in societies in the first world, humans wouldn't have been able to survive if we weren't social animals.

Its a word that carries baggage. I think 'society' or 'civilization' would work just as well. Better even as neither term is as loaded.

You can run but you can't hide.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism


All fruit of the same poison tree.

And 'collective' is the operative term for every one.

You don't now what any of those words entail, PC. They're just generic pejoratives to you. Making your list the rhetorical equivalent of watching a 4 year old curse.

Still running...but not hiding.
And...yes, they are a 'curse'.....they caused the slaughter of 100 million human beings.

Pick up a book once in a while.


And embrace that moron who calls himself 'Socialist.'
He's your ideological cousin.

Just recognizing that you haven't actually made an argument. Because you don't understand the terms you're using. If you did, you wouldn't have created your list.

As that's some disparate 'isms' there.

 

[Socialist]

This is.. embarrassing. There is nothing wrong with the word "collective" Humans are social animals, the majority of human history has consisted of humans living in tight family groups, and it still happens today, even in societies in the first world, humans wouldn't have been able to survive if we weren't social animals.

Its a word that carries baggage. I think 'society' or 'civilization' would work just as well. Better even as neither term is as loaded.

You can run but you can't hide.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism


All fruit of the same poison tree.

And 'collective' is the operative term for every one.

You don't now what any of those words entail, PC. They're just generic pejoratives to you. Making your list the rhetorical equivalent of watching a 4 year old curse.

Still running...but not hiding.
And...yes, they are a 'curse'.....they caused the slaughter of 100 million human beings.

Pick up a book once in a while.


And embrace that moron who calls himself 'Socialist.'
He's your ideological cousin.

Just recognizing that you haven't actually made an argument. Because you don't understand the terms you're using. If you did, you wouldn't have created your list.

As that's some disparate 'isms' there.

The "100 million" phrase is retarded, a sign of intellectual idiocy and a lack of historical analysis.

 

[NYcarbineer]

2. Propaganda is the means by which charismatic leadership, circumventing intermediary social and political institutions like parliaments, parties, and interest groups, gains direct hold upon the masses.

Are you saying that's a good thing or a bad thing?

 

[Socialist]

2. Propaganda is the means by which charismatic leadership, circumventing intermediary social and political institutions like parliaments, parties, and interest groups, gains direct hold upon the masses.

Are you saying that's a good thing or a bad thing?

If it's her propaganda, it's a good thing. Anything that doesn't fit her revionist worldview is "liberal brainwashing"

 

[Nosmo King]

Why are Conservative so non creative? Lack of imagination, which leads to a stunted world outlook, hence the stunted political outlook.

So....you rushed to subscribe to a thread 'noncreative,' and 'lacking in imagination'?

You don't realize the corner you've just painted yourself into, eh?

Do you imagine post #122 is 'rushing' to a thread? You're imagination is more vivid than I believed!

 

[NYcarbineer]

This is.. embarrassing. There is nothing wrong with the word "collective" Humans are social animals, the majority of human history has consisted of humans living in tight family groups, and it still happens today, even in societies in the first world, humans wouldn't have been able to survive if we weren't social animals.

Its a word that carries baggage. I think 'society' or 'civilization' would work just as well. Better even as neither term is as loaded.

You can run but you can't hide.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism


All fruit of the same poison tree.

And 'collective' is the operative term for every one.

You don't now what any of those words entail, PC. They're just generic pejoratives to you. Making your list the rhetorical equivalent of watching a 4 year old curse.

Still running...but not hiding.
And...yes, they are a 'curse'.....they caused the slaughter of 100 million human beings.

Pick up a book once in a while.


And embrace that moron who calls himself 'Socialist.'
He's your ideological cousin.

Just recognizing that you haven't actually made an argument. Because you don't understand the terms you're using. If you did, you wouldn't have created your list.

As that's some disparate 'isms' there.

She's intentionally vague in large part because she's terrified that she might get pinned to an actual position.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Thank god TK came here to rescue PC.

This is your attempt to save face????

Memo: you can't save what you never had.

See if you can follow this:
When you're dead, you don't know you're dead: it's only a reality for others. And that relates to you: it's the same when you're stupid.

Do people in your real life call you a blowhard?

You've not addressed my question. Are you claiming to have authored anything that you have submitted in the two posts I highlighted? Please help us out by using a different color font for shit you author and shit you simply copy.

Thanks.

Sorry....you still can't dig your way out of the pit I buried you in.

You have yet to attempt to respond to any of the material I've posted, you simply carp about the manner of presentation.
You and both know you don't have the ability to do so, and yet you do so strongly wish you could.


This is your third? fourth? post in a thread to which you have voluntarily subscribed.....yet not a word, a thought, about the subjects therein.

You roll in ignorance the way a pig rolls in mud.

Is that what you learned to do in government school?

Thee subject is bullshit. But you already know that.

How about responding to my question.

Still can't come up with any mention of the subject of the thread beyond the usual Liberal barnyard vulgarity.


So....that is what you 'learned' to do in government school?

They've kept you ignorant....but you certainly play your part.

 

[TemplarKormac]

Why are Conservative so non creative? Lack of imagination, which leads to a stunted world outlook, hence the stunted political outlook.

Lack of creativity is when you start hurling insults instead of making arguments.

 

[PoliticalChic]

This is.. embarrassing. There is nothing wrong with the word "collective" Humans are social animals, the majority of human history has consisted of humans living in tight family groups, and it still happens today, even in societies in the first world, humans wouldn't have been able to survive if we weren't social animals.

Its a word that carries baggage. I think 'society' or 'civilization' would work just as well. Better even as neither term is as loaded.

You can run but you can't hide.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism


All fruit of the same poison tree.

And 'collective' is the operative term for every one.

You don't now what any of those words entail, PC. They're just generic pejoratives to you. Making your list the rhetorical equivalent of watching a 4 year old curse.

Still running...but not hiding.
And...yes, they are a 'curse'.....they caused the slaughter of 100 million human beings.

Pick up a book once in a while.


And embrace that moron who calls himself 'Socialist.'
He's your ideological cousin.

Just recognizing that you haven't actually made an argument. Because you don't understand the terms you're using. If you did, you wouldn't have created your list.

As that's some disparate 'isms' there.

Of course I have...and your 'is not, is not' post verifies same.

You can't seem to comprehend this:

"The excesses of the European versions of fascism were mitigated by the specific history and culture of America, Jeffersonian individualism, heterogeneity of the population, but the central theme is still an all-encompassing state that centralizes power to perfect human nature by controlling every aspect of life., albeit at the loss of what had hitherfore been accepted as ‘inalienable human rights.’

The dichotomy that is today’s political reality is based on this retreat, as the American left simply flipped from the brown-shirt utopians to the red-flag utopians, parroting Stalin’s rhetoric: anything objectionable is fascist."
Jonah Goldberg



"...parroting Stalin’s rhetoric..."
The Democrat Party today stands for the same things that the post-war Communist Party did.


Amazing that you've been convinced to march shoulder to shoulder with totalitarians who've slain over 100 million human beings and the best you can do is 'am not, am nottttttt!'

 

[PoliticalChic]

Its a word that carries baggage. I think 'society' or 'civilization' would work just as well. Better even as neither term is as loaded.

You can run but you can't hide.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism


All fruit of the same poison tree.

And 'collective' is the operative term for every one.

You don't now what any of those words entail, PC. They're just generic pejoratives to you. Making your list the rhetorical equivalent of watching a 4 year old curse.

Still running...but not hiding.
And...yes, they are a 'curse'.....they caused the slaughter of 100 million human beings.

Pick up a book once in a while.


And embrace that moron who calls himself 'Socialist.'
He's your ideological cousin.

Just recognizing that you haven't actually made an argument. Because you don't understand the terms you're using. If you did, you wouldn't have created your list.

As that's some disparate 'isms' there.

The "100 million" phrase is retarded, a sign of intellectual idiocy and a lack of historical analysis.

Get the calculator, you moron.

Stalin....42,672,000

Mao.....37,828,000

Hitler....20,946,000

Lenin....4,017,000

Pol Pot...2,397,000

Tojo.....3,990,000

Total......111,850,000

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why are Conservative so non creative? Lack of imagination, which leads to a stunted world outlook, hence the stunted political outlook.

So....you rushed to subscribe to a thread 'noncreative,' and 'lacking in imagination'?

You don't realize the corner you've just painted yourself into, eh?

Do you imagine post #122 is 'rushing' to a thread? You're imagination is more vivid than I believed!

Still no comment on the subject.

Glad to see you working to ability.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Its a word that carries baggage. I think 'society' or 'civilization' would work just as well. Better even as neither term is as loaded.

You can run but you can't hide.

Nazism

Communism

Socialism

Fascism

Progressivism

Liberalism


All fruit of the same poison tree.

And 'collective' is the operative term for every one.

You don't now what any of those words entail, PC. They're just generic pejoratives to you. Making your list the rhetorical equivalent of watching a 4 year old curse.

Still running...but not hiding.
And...yes, they are a 'curse'.....they caused the slaughter of 100 million human beings.

Pick up a book once in a while.


And embrace that moron who calls himself 'Socialist.'
He's your ideological cousin.

Just recognizing that you haven't actually made an argument. Because you don't understand the terms you're using. If you did, you wouldn't have created your list.

As that's some disparate 'isms' there.

She's intentionally vague in large part because she's terrified that she might get pinned to an actual position.

Wait....you're belief is that I don't provide my 'actual position'??????

This one is a classic.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Wow.....reveal the parallels between all of the totalitarians, and the peanut gallery goes mad!

"Roosevelt???? Is not! Is nooootttttt!'

Yeah...he was.

There was abundant camaraderie between Roosevelt, Hitler, and Mussolini....and, largely, agreement on policy matters.


10. The National Socialists, the Nazis, hailed FDR's ‘relief measures’ in ways you will recognize:

1. 1. May 11, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Volkischer Beobachter, (People’s Observer): “Roosevelt’s Dictatorial Recovery Measures.”
   2. And on January 17, 1934, “We, too, as German National Socialists are looking toward America…” and “Roosevelt’s adoption of National Socialist strains of thought in his economic and social policies” comparable to Hitler’s own dictatorial ‘Fuhrerprinzip.’
   3. And “[Roosevelt], too demands that collective good be put before individual self-interest. Many passages in his book ‘Looking Forward’ could have been written by a National Socialist….one can assume that he feels considerable affinity with the National Socialist philosophy.”
   4. The paper also refers to “…the fictional appearance of democracy.”

11. In 1938, American ambassador Hugh R. Wilson reported to FDR his conversations with Hitler: “Hitler then said that he had watched with interest the methods which you, Mr. President, have been attempting to adopt for the United States…. I added that you were very much interested in certain phases of the sociological effort, notably for the youth and workmen, which is being made in Germany…”
Cited in “Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs,” vol.2, p. 27.
Franklin D. Roosevelt and Foreign Affairs Second Series January 1 1937-August 31 1939 Foreign Affairs



12. English and French commentators routinely depicted Roosevelt as akin to Mussolini. A more specific reason why, in 1933, the New Deal was often compared with Fascism was that with the help of a massive propaganda campaign, Italy had transitioned from a liberal free-market system to a state-run corporatist one. And corporatism was considered by elitists and intellectuals as the perfect response to the collapse of the liberal free-market economy, as was the national self-sufficiency of the Stalinist Soviet Union. The National Recovery Administration was comparable to Mussolini’s corporatism as both had state control without actual expropriation of private property.

1. 1. Mussolini wrote a book review of Roosevelt’s “Looking Forward,” in which he said “…[as] Roosevelt here calls his readers to battle, is reminiscent of the ways and means by which Fascism awakened the Italian people.” Popolo d’Italia, July 7, 1933.
   2. In 1934, Mussolini wrote a review of “New Frontiers,” by FDR’s Sec’y of Agriculture, later Vice-President, [communist] Henry Wallace: “Wallace’s answer to what America wants is as follows: anything but a return to the free-market, i.e., anarchistic economy. Where is America headed? This book leaves no doubt that it is on the road to corporatism, the economic system of the current century.” Marco Sedda, Il politico, vol. 64, p. 263.

If you visit the Roosevelt Library in upstate NY, you will find his library adjacent to that of the man he demanded as his vice-president...communist Henry Wallace. Interesting?



Astounding how little the Rosie-boys know about the era.

Either that....or they are outright liars.

 

[Nosmo King]

Why are Conservative so non creative? Lack of imagination, which leads to a stunted world outlook, hence the stunted political outlook.

So....you rushed to subscribe to a thread 'noncreative,' and 'lacking in imagination'?

You don't realize the corner you've just painted yourself into, eh?

Do you imagine post #122 is 'rushing' to a thread? You're imagination is more vivid than I believed!

Still no comment on the subject.

Glad to see you working to ability.

I don't comment on your threads because I reject the premise. You employ specious logic and create a rhetorical maypole for your opposition to dance around.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Why are Conservative so non creative? Lack of imagination, which leads to a stunted world outlook, hence the stunted political outlook.

So....you rushed to subscribe to a thread 'noncreative,' and 'lacking in imagination'?

You don't realize the corner you've just painted yourself into, eh?

Do you imagine post #122 is 'rushing' to a thread? You're imagination is more vivid than I believed!

Still no comment on the subject.

Glad to see you working to ability.

I don't comment on your threads because I reject the premise. You employ specious logic and create a rhetorical maypole for your opposition to dance around.

Post #155 is definitive.

There is no argument....that's why you don't 'comment.'

Isn't it time you recognize that everything I post is correct?

Wise up.

 

[Nosmo King]

Why are Conservative so non creative? Lack of imagination, which leads to a stunted world outlook, hence the stunted political outlook.

So....you rushed to subscribe to a thread 'noncreative,' and 'lacking in imagination'?

You don't realize the corner you've just painted yourself into, eh?

Do you imagine post #122 is 'rushing' to a thread? You're imagination is more vivid than I believed!

Still no comment on the subject.

Glad to see you working to ability.

I don't comment on your threads because I reject the premise. You employ specious logic and create a rhetorical maypole for your opposition to dance around.

Post #155 is definitive.

There is no argument....that's why you don't 'comment.'

Isn't it time you recognize that everything I post is correct?

Wise up.

Post #155 expects us to imagine Franklin Roosevelt as the moral and political equivalent of Hitler and Mussolini. A premise I roundly reject.

 

[PoliticalChic]

So....you rushed to subscribe to a thread 'noncreative,' and 'lacking in imagination'?

You don't realize the corner you've just painted yourself into, eh?

Do you imagine post #122 is 'rushing' to a thread? You're imagination is more vivid than I believed!

Still no comment on the subject.

Glad to see you working to ability.

I don't comment on your threads because I reject the premise. You employ specious logic and create a rhetorical maypole for your opposition to dance around.

Post #155 is definitive.

There is no argument....that's why you don't 'comment.'

Isn't it time you recognize that everything I post is correct?

Wise up.

Post #155 expects us to imagine Franklin Roosevelt as the moral and political equivalent of Hitler and Mussolini. A premise I roundly reject.

It proves he was the political and economic twin of Mussolini and Hitler....

...and Stalin.

I am never wrong....largely due to the fact that my education is so much more extensive than yours, and the other Liberal drones.

1. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.
   1. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”
   2. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.

c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler Mussolini Roosevelt - Reason.com

d. Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression When He Died


Again, you will find it impossible to comment in the opposite direction.

 

[Nosmo King]

Do you imagine post #122 is 'rushing' to a thread? You're imagination is more vivid than I believed!

Still no comment on the subject.

Glad to see you working to ability.

I don't comment on your threads because I reject the premise. You employ specious logic and create a rhetorical maypole for your opposition to dance around.

Post #155 is definitive.

There is no argument....that's why you don't 'comment.'

Isn't it time you recognize that everything I post is correct?

Wise up.

Post #155 expects us to imagine Franklin Roosevelt as the moral and political equivalent of Hitler and Mussolini. A premise I roundly reject.

It proves he was the political and economic twin of Mussolini and Hitler....

...and Stalin.

I am never wrong....largely due to the fact that my education is so much more extensive than yours, and the other Liberal drones.

1. Comparisons of the New Deal with totalitarian ideologies were provided from all sides. A Republican senator described the NRA as having gone “too far in the Russian direction,” and a Democrat accused FDR of trying “to transplant Hitlerism to every corner of this country.” Schivelbusch, “Three New Deals,” p. 27.
   1. Herbert Hoover: “We must fight again for a government founded on individual liberty and opportunity that was the American vision. If we lose we will continue down this New Deal road to some sort of personal government based on collectivist theories. Under these ideas ours can become some sort of Fascist government.”
   2. “The similarities of the economics of the New Deal to the economics of Mussolini’s corporative state or Hitler’s totalitarian state are both close and obvious.” Norman Thomas, head of the American Socialist Party.

c. “Schivelbusch occasionally overreaches, as when he writes that Roosevelt once referred to Stalin and Mussolini as “his ‘blood brothers.’ ” (In fact, it seems clear in Schivelbusch’s source—Arthur Schlesinger’s The Age of Roosevelt—that FDR was saying communism and fascism were blood brothers to each other, not to him.) But overall, this is a formidable piece of scholarship.” Hitler Mussolini Roosevelt - Reason.com

d. Roosevelt’s Sec’y of the Interior, proclaimed: “What we are doing in this country were some of the things that were being done in Russia and even some things that were being done under Hitler in Germany.” Confirmed Roosevelt Ended the Great Depression When He Died


Again, you will find it impossible to comment in the opposite direction.

You post comments and criticisms from FDR's contemporaries and drape them in specious logic by calling them proof. They are the types of criticisms any great man would endure from his political opposition, nothing more and certainly not approaching the threshold of proof and fact. Your premises are constantly skewed, full of straw man arguments and inept. One might read these quotes out of context and then mistakenly accept the comments as proof to bolster a previously held position. Critical thinking is absent.

Your premise presents an argument akin to "Do you still beat your wife?" Hardly a question to stand firmly upon and present as factual.

Crow all you want about what you perceive as a superior education. I am confident in the education I received.