Atheism; An Intellectual Dead End

[Czernobog]

As I remember from our previous chat, that was not the case. Or are you softening your position on how it is necessary ridicule and condemn respect for people who believe in God? Because it sounds to me that you are saying one thing about religion and have conveniently forgotten your positions on how you interact with its adherents. There seems to be a disconnect between the two.

Because I find religionists, like yourself, ridiculous, and worthy of making isn't because I feel the need to "subordinate religion". It's just because you're ridiculous, and need to be mocked. Nope. I have always held the same position. I do not need to do anyting. Religionists will destroy themselves.

Then stop lying about not wanting to subordinate religion. Grow you a pair for God's sake. In case you hadn't noticed you got schooled. You suck at trying to make me look ridiculous.

In case you didn't notice, no, I didn't. You have spent this entire thread repeatedly making the same claim, and I have repeatedly demonstrated that your claim is inaccurate. Not only are you ridiculous, but you are incapable of recognising when your premises are wrong.

I think you need to face the fact that you are a militant atheist.

What's the worst he will do? Chop off your head or just passionately debate you?

He, on the other hand, is threatening gun violence to get his way. But, I'm the militant one.

 

[sealybobo]

We say a child is a gift from God. No it isn't. Two people had sex. We know how the kid got here. We say God formed the planets. But we know scientifically how we got here.

We don't know how life got started here on earth but science most likely has an answer for that. But because we don't know people thank "whatever did it". We also don't know what caused the big bang or how. But most likely there is a scientific explanation behind it.

But because we don't know and most likely will never know the answers to some questions people will continue to call it God not "whatever did it". But that's the truth.

Now I went to Christian church today and they claim to know for a fact God exists. They have a little saying they repeat about how God sentt his only begotten son to the Virgin Mary and he was crucified and he rose after three days and these people all pledge that they believe this. I sit there in amazement

Some people actually find happiness in their faith. What should we tell those people?

"Good for you. Please quit indoctrinating children,"

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Your type always did try to force your will onto others. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

And, there it is. The last refuge of the theocrats. When they figure out that they are failing in their attempts to use the courts to legitimize their indoctination of children, they threaten violence. And you call me militant. I don't recall, even once, suggesting employing our "second amendment rights" to stop you from mentally abusing our children.

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

There it is! Lol. You know the Nazis were Catholics right? Hitler used the church because it's a great vehicle for control.

 

[ding]

Some people actually find happiness in their faith. What should we tell those people?

"Good for you. Please quit indoctrinating children,"

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Your type always did try to force your will onto others. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

And, there it is. The last refuge of the theocrats. When they figure out that they are failing in their attempts to use the courts to legitimize their indoctination of children, they threaten violence. And you call me militant. I don't recall, even once, suggesting employing our "second amendment rights" to stop you from mentally abusing our children.

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

There it is! Lol. You know the Nazis were Catholics right? Hitler used the church because it's a great vehicle for control.

The Nazi's were socialists.

 

[ding]

Some people actually find happiness in their faith. What should we tell those people?

"Good for you. Please quit indoctrinating children,"

Sent from my 5054N using Tapatalk

Your type always did try to force your will onto others. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

And, there it is. The last refuge of the theocrats. When they figure out that they are failing in their attempts to use the courts to legitimize their indoctination of children, they threaten violence. And you call me militant. I don't recall, even once, suggesting employing our "second amendment rights" to stop you from mentally abusing our children.

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

I never threatened violence. The only one here who brought up using guns is you. You really should just admit that you are a militint religionist.

God you argue like a woman.

 

[ding]

As I remember from our previous chat, that was not the case. Or are you softening your position on how it is necessary ridicule and condemn respect for people who believe in God? Because it sounds to me that you are saying one thing about religion and have conveniently forgotten your positions on how you interact with its adherents. There seems to be a disconnect between the two.

Because I find religionists, like yourself, ridiculous, and worthy of making isn't because I feel the need to "subordinate religion". It's just because you're ridiculous, and need to be mocked. Nope. I have always held the same position. I do not need to do anyting. Religionists will destroy themselves.

Then stop lying about not wanting to subordinate religion. Grow you a pair for God's sake. In case you hadn't noticed you got schooled. You suck at trying to make me look ridiculous.

In case you didn't notice, no, I didn't. You have spent this entire thread repeatedly making the same claim, and I have repeatedly demonstrated that your claim is inaccurate. Not only are you ridiculous, but you are incapable of recognising when your premises are wrong.

I think you need to face the fact that you are a militant atheist.

What's the worst he will do? Chop off your head or just passionately debate you?

His and your type, are cowards at heart, but like all cowards at heart, they are dictators when given the chance.

 

[Czernobog]

"Good for you. Please quit indoctrinating children,"

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Your type always did try to force your will onto others. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

And, there it is. The last refuge of the theocrats. When they figure out that they are failing in their attempts to use the courts to legitimize their indoctination of children, they threaten violence. And you call me militant. I don't recall, even once, suggesting employing our "second amendment rights" to stop you from mentally abusing our children.

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

I never threatened violence. The only one here who brought up using guns is you. You really should just admit that you are a militint religionist.

God you argue like a woman.

And now the ad homemins. You're adorable. You are militant, and a theocrat, but it is adorable how you think that you are rational.

 

[ding]

Your type always did try to force your will onto others. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

And, there it is. The last refuge of the theocrats. When they figure out that they are failing in their attempts to use the courts to legitimize their indoctination of children, they threaten violence. And you call me militant. I don't recall, even once, suggesting employing our "second amendment rights" to stop you from mentally abusing our children.

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

I never threatened violence. The only one here who brought up using guns is you. You really should just admit that you are a militint religionist.

God you argue like a woman.

And now the ad homemins. You're adorable. You are militant, and a theocrat, but it is adorable how you think that you are rational.

I'm actually not that religious. I just see people like you as a serious threat to our freedom and liberty.

 

[WillReadmore]

It's been more like stuck in first gear than circles. Can you give an example of my "flip?" I don't follow you.

Agreed, I never said otherwise. I can learn certain things about you.


No. I don't believe I have done that. Can you show me what I have written that led you to believe that?

Again, I don't know how you are making this leap. I am examining the only evidence we have for a Creator which is what and how it was created. I am using our experiences as a proxy in doing so.

The point is that what you are doing isn't science. You can try to get around the rules, but in the end it just isn't science.

Your "is there a god" thing is not a "hypothesis", because no hypothesis in scientific method can refer to god in any way. There is no possibility of testing for god. Thus it's outside of science. End of story.

We do the same with stuff like string theory. We have no way of testing whether these ideas are part of our natural world. So, we have smart people thinking about things, using math, accepting progress science is making, but that doesn't mean it is science. It's not.

In your case, you are still applying the idea that if TODAY we can't explain some phenomenon we see, then it must be evidence of God - and that is BS.

If we can't explain some phenomenon we see, that is evidence that we don't know something.

We say a child is a gift from God. No it isn't. Two people had sex. We know how the kid got here. We say God formed the planets. But we know scientifically how we got here.

We don't know how life got started here on earth but science most likely has an answer for that. But because we don't know people thank "whatever did it". We also don't know what caused the big bang or how. But most likely there is a scientific explanation behind it.

But because we don't know and most likely will never know the answers to some questions people will continue to call it God not "whatever did it". But that's the truth.

Now I went to Christian church today and they claim to know for a fact God exists. They have a little saying they repeat about how God sentt his only begotten son to the Virgin Mary and he was crucified and he rose after three days and these people all pledge that they believe this. I sit there in amazement

Some people actually find happiness in their faith. What should we tell those people?

I would talk to them about how we can avoid seeing science and religion as being opposing forces.

Demanding that either side "prove" the other wrong is ludicrous. Neither is equipped for that. And, it is science that brings to us the truth of HOW things work in our natural world - while avoiding invading the religious realm of "why" that science can not address.

And, we have a critical need to know how things work. We can't continue to see the assault on science as not being harmful to human life, as not being destructive of our civilization.

Sorry, Will. This is where you, and I disagree. "Why?" is a meaningless question. Consider this. If your child has an appendicitis, do you want to sit around with a priest babbling on about why he got appendicitis, instead of, say, the Jackson kid down the street, or would you rather go to a doctor, who can explain how he got appendicitis, and how we are going to go about fixing it?

Why may be a fun thought experiment, but it, ultimately serves no practical purpose.
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I agree that "how" and "why" are one word responses that I think are the identifying idea, but not the full explanation.

I think the appendicitis thing would end up with science, because the solution has to do with "how" - how did it happen, how can we go about doing something about it, etc. Science has answers for "how" when it comes to appendicitis - bacteria multiply, blah blah blah, 10-blade, please.

If a priest became involved, the issue wouldn't be how to solve the appy. It would be about the comfort that is offered by understanding our position as humans, etc. - generally in the realm of why we are here. For example, we're here as a trial period before heaven, which can involve serious challenge. We don't know exactly why, because God acts in mysterious ways. But, god is watching and there is a why even if only He knows. And, other such religious messages - perhaps leading to comfort.

The priest may well pray with the patient for a positive outcome of the science "how" answer. But, I wouldn't expect a priest to suggest limiting action to prayer only in this era - we know enough science to know what would happen next!

 

[Czernobog]

And, there it is. The last refuge of the theocrats. When they figure out that they are failing in their attempts to use the courts to legitimize their indoctination of children, they threaten violence. And you call me militant. I don't recall, even once, suggesting employing our "second amendment rights" to stop you from mentally abusing our children.

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

I never threatened violence. The only one here who brought up using guns is you. You really should just admit that you are a militint religionist.

God you argue like a woman.

And now the ad homemins. You're adorable. You are militant, and a theocrat, but it is adorable how you think that you are rational.

I'm actually not that religious. I just see people like you as a serious threat to our freedom and liberty.

Yes. Yes. I am a threat to your freedom, and liberty to mentally absue children.

 

[ding]

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

I never threatened violence. The only one here who brought up using guns is you. You really should just admit that you are a militint religionist.

God you argue like a woman.

And now the ad homemins. You're adorable. You are militant, and a theocrat, but it is adorable how you think that you are rational.

I'm actually not that religious. I just see people like you as a serious threat to our freedom and liberty.

Yes. Yes. I am a threat to your freedom, and liberty to mentally absue children.

No. You are a threat to freedom and liberty because you seek equality via uniformity.

 

[Czernobog]

The point is that what you are doing isn't science. You can try to get around the rules, but in the end it just isn't science.

Your "is there a god" thing is not a "hypothesis", because no hypothesis in scientific method can refer to god in any way. There is no possibility of testing for god. Thus it's outside of science. End of story.

We do the same with stuff like string theory. We have no way of testing whether these ideas are part of our natural world. So, we have smart people thinking about things, using math, accepting progress science is making, but that doesn't mean it is science. It's not.

In your case, you are still applying the idea that if TODAY we can't explain some phenomenon we see, then it must be evidence of God - and that is BS.

If we can't explain some phenomenon we see, that is evidence that we don't know something.

We say a child is a gift from God. No it isn't. Two people had sex. We know how the kid got here. We say God formed the planets. But we know scientifically how we got here.

We don't know how life got started here on earth but science most likely has an answer for that. But because we don't know people thank "whatever did it". We also don't know what caused the big bang or how. But most likely there is a scientific explanation behind it.

But because we don't know and most likely will never know the answers to some questions people will continue to call it God not "whatever did it". But that's the truth.

Now I went to Christian church today and they claim to know for a fact God exists. They have a little saying they repeat about how God sentt his only begotten son to the Virgin Mary and he was crucified and he rose after three days and these people all pledge that they believe this. I sit there in amazement

Some people actually find happiness in their faith. What should we tell those people?

I would talk to them about how we can avoid seeing science and religion as being opposing forces.

Demanding that either side "prove" the other wrong is ludicrous. Neither is equipped for that. And, it is science that brings to us the truth of HOW things work in our natural world - while avoiding invading the religious realm of "why" that science can not address.

And, we have a critical need to know how things work. We can't continue to see the assault on science as not being harmful to human life, as not being destructive of our civilization.

Sorry, Will. This is where you, and I disagree. "Why?" is a meaningless question. Consider this. If your child has an appendicitis, do you want to sit around with a priest babbling on about why he got appendicitis, instead of, say, the Jackson kid down the street, or would you rather go to a doctor, who can explain how he got appendicitis, and how we are going to go about fixing it?

Why may be a fun thought experiment, but it, ultimately serves no practical purpose.
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I agree that "how" and "why" are one word responses that I think are the identifying idea, but not the full explanation.

I think the appendicitis thing would end up with science, because the solution has to do with "how" - how did it happen, how can we go about doing something about it, etc. Science has answers for "how" when it comes to appendicitis - bacteria multiply, blah blah blah, 10-blade, please.

If a priest became involved, the issue wouldn't be how to solve the appy. It would be about the comfort that is offered by understanding our position as humans, etc. - generally in the realm of why we are here. For example, we're here as a trial period before heaven, which can involve serious challenge. We don't know exactly why, because God acts in mysterious ways. But, god is watching and there is a why even if only He knows. And, other such religious messages - perhaps leading to comfort.

The priest may well pray with the patient for a positive outcome of the science "how" answer. But, I wouldn't expect a priest to suggest limiting action to prayer only in this era - we know enough science to know what would happen next!

So, to summerise, we're going to pray, and whent he surgery goes well, we will give God credit for saving our little boy, sending him the doctors, etc, but when he dies of complications, we will never consider that God didn't like us enough, and didn't like our preyers. Instead, we'remgoing to blame the doctor, and consult a lawyer.
In other words, religion gives us an imaginary superman who gets the credit for every good thing that happens, but none of the blame for any of the bad. Yeah...I get it now. I understand how perfectly rational religion is.

 

[Czernobog]

I never threatened violence. The only one here who brought up using guns is you. You really should just admit that you are a militint religionist.

God you argue like a woman.

And now the ad homemins. You're adorable. You are militant, and a theocrat, but it is adorable how you think that you are rational.

I'm actually not that religious. I just see people like you as a serious threat to our freedom and liberty.

Yes. Yes. I am a threat to your freedom, and liberty to mentally absue children.

No. You are a threat to freedom and liberty because you seek equality via uniformity.

That's a lie, and an ad homenim. You're really on a roll.

 

[sealybobo]

"Good for you. Please quit indoctrinating children,"

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Your type always did try to force your will onto others. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

And, there it is. The last refuge of the theocrats. When they figure out that they are failing in their attempts to use the courts to legitimize their indoctination of children, they threaten violence. And you call me militant. I don't recall, even once, suggesting employing our "second amendment rights" to stop you from mentally abusing our children.

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

There it is! Lol. You know the Nazis were Catholics right? Hitler used the church because it's a great vehicle for control.

The Nazi's were socialists.

A lot of socialist catholics in Europe.

Do you think only capitalists are Christians?

 

[sealybobo]

And, there it is. The last refuge of the theocrats. When they figure out that they are failing in their attempts to use the courts to legitimize their indoctination of children, they threaten violence. And you call me militant. I don't recall, even once, suggesting employing our "second amendment rights" to stop you from mentally abusing our children.

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

I never threatened violence. The only one here who brought up using guns is you. You really should just admit that you are a militint religionist.

God you argue like a woman.

And now the ad homemins. You're adorable. You are militant, and a theocrat, but it is adorable how you think that you are rational.

I'm actually not that religious. I just see people like you as a serious threat to our freedom and liberty.

Of course you aren't. You aren't trying this hard to convince me and czernobog. You're trying to convince yourself.

I'm not a coward for not walking up to people at church and telling them they are stupid. That would be rude.

And im not a coward when I let my dad talk about seeing his wife again. He insists there must be a God. I tried to explain why his evidence isn't evidence for a creator before my mom died but I don't argue it anymore. When you are dealing with death you give people their God.

 

[BreezeWood]

"Good for you. Please quit indoctrinating children,"

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Your type always did try to force your will onto others. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

And, there it is. The last refuge of the theocrats. When they figure out that they are failing in their attempts to use the courts to legitimize their indoctination of children, they threaten violence. And you call me militant. I don't recall, even once, suggesting employing our "second amendment rights" to stop you from mentally abusing our children.

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

There it is! Lol. You know the Nazis were Catholics right? Hitler used the church because it's a great vehicle for control.

The Nazi's were socialists.

.

The Nazi's were socialists.

they were totalitarian which has its roots in your 4th century book.

 

[sealybobo]

Your type always did try to force your will onto others. Thank God for the 2nd Amendment.

And, there it is. The last refuge of the theocrats. When they figure out that they are failing in their attempts to use the courts to legitimize their indoctination of children, they threaten violence. And you call me militant. I don't recall, even once, suggesting employing our "second amendment rights" to stop you from mentally abusing our children.

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

There it is! Lol. You know the Nazis were Catholics right? Hitler used the church because it's a great vehicle for control.

The Nazi's were socialists.

.

The Nazi's were socialists.

they were totalitarian which has its roots in your 4th century book.

When I watch old movies about how America was founded. Killing Indians, enslaving black people, racism, exploiting the poor and immigrants one after another.

The more I think about it the more I agree we are a Christian nation.

 

[BreezeWood]

And, there it is. The last refuge of the theocrats. When they figure out that they are failing in their attempts to use the courts to legitimize their indoctination of children, they threaten violence. And you call me militant. I don't recall, even once, suggesting employing our "second amendment rights" to stop you from mentally abusing our children.

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

There it is! Lol. You know the Nazis were Catholics right? Hitler used the church because it's a great vehicle for control.

The Nazi's were socialists.

.

The Nazi's were socialists.

they were totalitarian which has its roots in your 4th century book.

When I watch old movies about how America was founded. Killing Indians, enslaving black people, racism, exploiting the poor and immigrants one after another.

The more I think about it the more I agree we are a Christian nation.

.

When I watch old movies about how America was founded. Killing Indians, enslaving black people, racism, exploiting the poor and immigrants one after another.

The more I think about it the more I agree we are a Christian nation.

I could be kind and not suggest there is an awfulness that comes from their book, the same that it does not reflect the events of antiquity but the dark motivations of the 4th century.

 

[ding]

And, there it is. The last refuge of the theocrats. When they figure out that they are failing in their attempts to use the courts to legitimize their indoctination of children, they threaten violence. And you call me militant. I don't recall, even once, suggesting employing our "second amendment rights" to stop you from mentally abusing our children.

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

There it is! Lol. You know the Nazis were Catholics right? Hitler used the church because it's a great vehicle for control.

The Nazi's were socialists.

.

The Nazi's were socialists.

they were totalitarian which has its roots in your 4th century book.

When I watch old movies about how America was founded. Killing Indians, enslaving black people, racism, exploiting the poor and immigrants one after another.

The more I think about it the more I agree we are a Christian nation.

I wouldn't have expected for you to see it any different or the irony.

 

[ding]

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

I never threatened violence. The only one here who brought up using guns is you. You really should just admit that you are a militint religionist.

God you argue like a woman.

And now the ad homemins. You're adorable. You are militant, and a theocrat, but it is adorable how you think that you are rational.

I'm actually not that religious. I just see people like you as a serious threat to our freedom and liberty.

Of course you aren't. You aren't trying this hard to convince me and czernobog. You're trying to convince yourself.

I'm not a coward for not walking up to people at church and telling them they are stupid. That would be rude.

And im not a coward when I let my dad talk about seeing his wife again. He insists there must be a God. I tried to explain why his evidence isn't evidence for a creator before my mom died but I don't argue it anymore. When you are dealing with death you give people their God.

I think you should tell your dad how stupid you believe he is. Don't just share that with us.

 

[sealybobo]

No. I don't threaten violence. I thank God I can defend myself from yours. You're like a fucking nazi.

There it is! Lol. You know the Nazis were Catholics right? Hitler used the church because it's a great vehicle for control.

The Nazi's were socialists.

.

The Nazi's were socialists.

they were totalitarian which has its roots in your 4th century book.

When I watch old movies about how America was founded. Killing Indians, enslaving black people, racism, exploiting the poor and immigrants one after another.

The more I think about it the more I agree we are a Christian nation.

.

When I watch old movies about how America was founded. Killing Indians, enslaving black people, racism, exploiting the poor and immigrants one after another.

The more I think about it the more I agree we are a Christian nation.

I could be kind and not suggest there is an awfulness that comes from their book, the same that it does not reflect the events of antiquity but the dark motivations of the 4th century.

I love the history of after Jesus till now and before Jesus. The Greeks were getting along fine for thousands of years before Jesus then Paul goes to Greece and starts a cult. That's the start of the storytelling