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[zaangalewa]

That's wrong. A human being evolves as a human being.
The mother and father made a contract with the spirit of life. Who kills the own child breaks the seal of truth and destroys a universe of possibilities. A doctor who is doing abortions is in conflict with the oath of Hippocrates. A doctor is not allowed to be a deathsman.

I don't know what you really defend if you defend abortions - but it has nothing to do with a reasonable human behavior nor with a loveful human society.

what of the harm to the mother?

A sea full of tears is not able to describe the hell of abortions. One of the most perfidious and terrible things is it how our world forces mothers to agree that their babies have to be killed in them. I guess the psychological pain of such wounds are so extraordinary high that it's impossible to feel the pain of this wounds any longer.

fathers are not always in the picture when a woman decides to get an abortion.

In my eyes intrigant men are the main reasion for this desaster worldwide, They give women no chance to be emancipated as women and mothers. They often like to see only another form of men in women. This breaks the women so they agree to let their babies be killed, A tragedy in many ways.

Raising a child on your own is a difficult choice. Not all women can do that.

I'm a Christian not a believer in nonsense nor a believer in immutable fate. A man and a women can have sex without tzeh result pregnancy. But if the woman is pregnant - then both together should be able to carry their baby a short time through this world of woe.

The mother is the patient, not the fetus.

Pregnancy is not a sickness.

The woman must decide to carry the fetus till birth and only the women.

A mother carries her fetus hopefully not only til birth but through the whole life. To give every mother thw right to let her children be executed independent from the age of her children would be a strange law - but there would be some logic inside. Abortion has no logic at all.

Oh by the way: My experience tells me that wars of words help no one and people who are pro-abortion will anyway ignore everything what anyone else says against abortion. So I try to say as less to this theme as possible. Unfortunateley to say nothing to such themes of absurde ways of antilife seems to be for some people an agreement.

Actually doctors can and have been mercy killers for those in pain and dying.

That's wrong. A doctor of medicine has no spiritual right to kill anyone. This has also to do with his profession: a healer is not a deathman. If someone likes to do suicide he has to do this on his own.

They can withhold medicine or increase medicine to the patient. Patients have the right to refuse meds and to be given enough to control pain.

A doctor has the duty to help to live - a patient has not the duty to let himselve help.

The woman has the right to refuse to carry a fetus.

To be honest: I would feel much more comfortable with a law what allows a woman to kill the idiot who made her pregnant. Her baby is innocent.

There might be any number of factors in her decision. There might be risks to her heath or she might carry genes that would give the infant a short life or disability for life. The choice should be between her and the doctor not those outside. Others should have no right to dictate to the women what she must do. That cruel and unusual punishment. Where is the difference between forcing a women into unwanted labor for nearly a year and slavery?

You have not right to control her body.

I never controled any body of any woman. What a nonsense. Again: It's an unalienable human right to live. Who says something else is either a liar or has absolutelly no plan what he is speaking about.

Women are not forced to have an abortion. ...

So no one needs abortions - or do you really like to say a woman gets pregnant and likes to abort just for fun?

I don't believe any woman take abortion lightly. They take the action because it is the right choice for them under the situation. Nothing fun about it. You are demented to think it is.

And if acupuncturists induce or a woman uses herbs or more drastic means.............

I'd rather see clinics offer abortions than for women to find some back street practitioner or resorting to coat hangers.

If it is know that birth control like a condom failed, there re over the counter methods. By two weeks to a month those methods are too late and an abortions is the only option to terminating the pregnancy. No women should be forced to carry a child she is not ready for. There are too many unwanted or unloved children out there already. Too many living in poor conditions and malnourished. Too many abused.
There is no rational reason for forcing a woman to be an incubator against her will.
If men had to carry and give birth every time they engaged in sex this would not be an issue. As for issues of abuse or rape there should never be any restriction to access to abortion.
Abortions and birth control have been a part of society since the dawn of civilization, perhaps even before. Women do not simply go out and gather their birth control any more and few understand the use of nature for inducing an abortion or even neutralizing male sperm.
The world is over populated and there is enough conflict that bringing an unwanted child into the mix is cruel and senseless.

Every child that is birthed should be one that will be loved and cherished by it's parents and family. Women are not slaves and should not be expected to be birthing machines.

I do not agree with anything what seems to allow anyone to kill innocent human beings. For me this discussion is over.

 

[zaangalewa]

That's wrong. A human being evolves as a human being.
The mother and father made a contract with the spirit of life. Who kills the own child breaks the seal of truth and destroys a universe of possibilities. A doctor who is doing abortions is in conflict with the oath of Hippocrates. A doctor is not allowed to be a deathsman.

I don't know what you really defend if you defend abortions - but it has nothing to do with a reasonable human behavior nor with a loveful human society.

what of the harm to the mother?

A sea full of tears is not able to describe the hell of abortions. One of the most perfidious and terrible things is it how our world forces mothers to agree that their babies have to be killed in them. I guess the psychological pain of such wounds are so extraordinary high that it's impossible to feel the pain of this wounds any longer.

fathers are not always in the picture when a woman decides to get an abortion.

In my eyes intrigant men are the main reasion for this desaster worldwide, They give women no chance to be emancipated as women and mothers. They often like to see only another form of men in women. This breaks the women so they agree to let their babies be killed, A tragedy in many ways.

Raising a child on your own is a difficult choice. Not all women can do that.

I'm a Christian not a believer in nonsense nor a believer in immutable fate. A man and a women can have sex without tzeh result pregnancy. But if the woman is pregnant - then both together should be able to carry their baby a short time through this world of woe.

The mother is the patient, not the fetus.

Pregnancy is not a sickness.

The woman must decide to carry the fetus till birth and only the women.

A mother carries her fetus hopefully not only til birth but through the whole life. To give every mother thw right to let her children be executed independent from the age of her children would be a strange law - but there would be some logic inside. Abortion has no logic at all.

Oh by the way: My experience tells me that wars of words help no one and people who are pro-abortion will anyway ignore everything what anyone else says against abortion. So I try to say as less to this theme as possible. Unfortunateley to say nothing to such themes of absurde ways of antilife seems to be for some people an agreement.

Actually doctors can and have been mercy killers for those in pain and dying.

That's wrong. A doctor of medicine has no spiritual right to kill anyone. This has also to do with his profession: a healer is not a deathman. If someone likes to do suicide he has to do this on his own.

They can withhold medicine or increase medicine to the patient. Patients have the right to refuse meds and to be given enough to control pain.

A doctor has the duty to help to live - a patient has not the duty to let himselve help.

The woman has the right to refuse to carry a fetus.

To be honest: I would feel much more comfortable with a law what allows a woman to kill the idiot who made her pregnant. Her baby is innocent.

There might be any number of factors in her decision. There might be risks to her heath or she might carry genes that would give the infant a short life or disability for life. The choice should be between her and the doctor not those outside. Others should have no right to dictate to the women what she must do. That cruel and unusual punishment. Where is the difference between forcing a women into unwanted labor for nearly a year and slavery?

You have not right to control her body.

I never controled any body of any woman. What a nonsense. Again: It's an unalienable human right to live. Who says something else is either a liar or has absolutelly no plan what he is speaking about.

Women are not forced to have an abortion. ...

So no one needs abortions - or do you really like to say a woman gets pregnant and likes to abort just for fun?

There are a number of reason for the mother or child that wold make a pregnancy a high risk. It should be an option rather than risk death, suffering or major mental and physical deformity.

Even in the best of pregnancies there can be complications and a woman might bleed to death, or close to before the bleeding is stopped.

If a women is going to go through such a risk it should with full information and consent. Not because she is being forced to by some outside party.

I never said any woman should die because she is pregnant. But I doubt about that millions of women worldwide every year give the allowness to let her baby kill in their own body because this baby is a real threat for the mother. I think women are forced to do so on other reasons. I don't think the decision to let the own baby be killed has something to do with freedom.

 

[aris2chat]

what of the harm to the mother?

A sea full of tears is not able to describe the hell of abortions. One of the most perfidious and terrible things is it how our world forces mothers to agree that their babies have to be killed in them. I guess the psychological pain of such wounds are so extraordinary high that it's impossible to feel the pain of this wounds any longer.

fathers are not always in the picture when a woman decides to get an abortion.

In my eyes intrigant men are the main reasion for this desaster worldwide, They give women no chance to be emancipated as women and mothers. They often like to see only another form of men in women. This breaks the women so they agree to let their babies be killed, A tragedy in many ways.

Raising a child on your own is a difficult choice. Not all women can do that.

I'm a Christian not a believer in nonsense nor a believer in immutable fate. A man and a women can have sex without tzeh result pregnancy. But if the woman is pregnant - then both together should be able to carry their baby a short time through this world of woe.

The mother is the patient, not the fetus.

Pregnancy is not a sickness.

The woman must decide to carry the fetus till birth and only the women.

A mother carries her fetus hopefully not only til birth but through the whole life. To give every mother thw right to let her children be executed independent from the age of her children would be a strange law - but there would be some logic inside. Abortion has no logic at all.

Oh by the way: My experience tells me that wars of words help no one and people who are pro-abortion will anyway ignore everything what anyone else says against abortion. So I try to say as less to this theme as possible. Unfortunateley to say nothing to such themes of absurde ways of antilife seems to be for some people an agreement.

Actually doctors can and have been mercy killers for those in pain and dying.

That's wrong. A doctor of medicine has no spiritual right to kill anyone. This has also to do with his profession: a healer is not a deathman. If someone likes to do suicide he has to do this on his own.

They can withhold medicine or increase medicine to the patient. Patients have the right to refuse meds and to be given enough to control pain.

A doctor has the duty to help to live - a patient has not the duty to let himselve help.

The woman has the right to refuse to carry a fetus.

To be honest: I would feel much more comfortable with a law what allows a woman to kill the idiot who made her pregnant. Her baby is innocent.

There might be any number of factors in her decision. There might be risks to her heath or she might carry genes that would give the infant a short life or disability for life. The choice should be between her and the doctor not those outside. Others should have no right to dictate to the women what she must do. That cruel and unusual punishment. Where is the difference between forcing a women into unwanted labor for nearly a year and slavery?

You have not right to control her body.

I never controled any body of any woman. What a nonsense. Again: It's an unalienable human right to live. Who says something else is either a liar or has absolutelly no plan what he is speaking about.

Women are not forced to have an abortion. ...

So no one needs abortions - or do you really like to say a woman gets pregnant and likes to abort just for fun?

I don't believe any woman take abortion lightly. They take the action because it is the right choice for them under the situation. Nothing fun about it. You are demented to think it is.

And if acupuncturists induce or a woman uses herbs or more drastic means.............

I'd rather see clinics offer abortions than for women to find some back street practitioner or resorting to coat hangers.

If it is know that birth control like a condom failed, there re over the counter methods. By two weeks to a month those methods are too late and an abortions is the only option to terminating the pregnancy. No women should be forced to carry a child she is not ready for. There are too many unwanted or unloved children out there already. Too many living in poor conditions and malnourished. Too many abused.
There is no rational reason for forcing a woman to be an incubator against her will.
If men had to carry and give birth every time they engaged in sex this would not be an issue. As for issues of abuse or rape there should never be any restriction to access to abortion.
Abortions and birth control have been a part of society since the dawn of civilization, perhaps even before. Women do not simply go out and gather their birth control any more and few understand the use of nature for inducing an abortion or even neutralizing male sperm.
The world is over populated and there is enough conflict that bringing an unwanted child into the mix is cruel and senseless.

Every child that is birthed should be one that will be loved and cherished by it's parents and family. Women are not slaves and should not be expected to be birthing machines.

I do not agree with anything what seems to allow anyone to kill innocent human beings. For me this discussion is over.

and I don't agree with outsiders telling a woman she has to be a slave to an unwanted fetus for almost a year, or more. You forget that an decision to have an abortion is not just about not wanting to carry the fetus, but about the health of the woman as well. Woman have a legal right to decide what happens to her body. She has the right to choose to not carry an infant to term.

You do not have the right to prevent her from her choice. You do not have a right to interfere with the doctor from doing the procedure.

 

[zaangalewa]

... What percent of young black males are criminals? That's a very small number, right? But imagine those 2% or 4% aren't here because their mothers aborted. She'd be better off and so would we.

You are definitively a Nazi

I'm trying to prevent women who shouldn't have children from having them. Look at what almost every violent criminal has in common. They are fatherless. They come from mostly poor single moms. It's not murder if the woman takes the morning after pill or if she wears an IUD and doesn't get pregnant in the first place.

I would much rather these women wear IUD's than get abortions but my point was that a poor woman should have access to abortion for economic reasons. Cheaper on all of us in the long run too, for those of you who are anti welfare Republicans.

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After a four-month investigation, London police today cleared Pete Townshend of kiddie porn charges. But the rock star will still spend five years on a U.K. register of sex offenders because the co-founder of The Who visited a web site containing child porn images. Townshend was nabbed in January on suspicion of possessing indecent images of children, though no such photos were found following a search of his home and computer. At the time of his arrest, Townshend admitted using his credit card to visit a web site offering child porn, but told cops he was just conducting research.

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[aris2chat]

what of the harm to the mother?

A sea full of tears is not able to describe the hell of abortions. One of the most perfidious and terrible things is it how our world forces mothers to agree that their babies have to be killed in them. I guess the psychological pain of such wounds are so extraordinary high that it's impossible to feel the pain of this wounds any longer.

fathers are not always in the picture when a woman decides to get an abortion.

In my eyes intrigant men are the main reasion for this desaster worldwide, They give women no chance to be emancipated as women and mothers. They often like to see only another form of men in women. This breaks the women so they agree to let their babies be killed, A tragedy in many ways.

Raising a child on your own is a difficult choice. Not all women can do that.

I'm a Christian not a believer in nonsense nor a believer in immutable fate. A man and a women can have sex without tzeh result pregnancy. But if the woman is pregnant - then both together should be able to carry their baby a short time through this world of woe.

The mother is the patient, not the fetus.

Pregnancy is not a sickness.

The woman must decide to carry the fetus till birth and only the women.

A mother carries her fetus hopefully not only til birth but through the whole life. To give every mother thw right to let her children be executed independent from the age of her children would be a strange law - but there would be some logic inside. Abortion has no logic at all.

Oh by the way: My experience tells me that wars of words help no one and people who are pro-abortion will anyway ignore everything what anyone else says against abortion. So I try to say as less to this theme as possible. Unfortunateley to say nothing to such themes of absurde ways of antilife seems to be for some people an agreement.

Actually doctors can and have been mercy killers for those in pain and dying.

That's wrong. A doctor of medicine has no spiritual right to kill anyone. This has also to do with his profession: a healer is not a deathman. If someone likes to do suicide he has to do this on his own.

They can withhold medicine or increase medicine to the patient. Patients have the right to refuse meds and to be given enough to control pain.

A doctor has the duty to help to live - a patient has not the duty to let himselve help.

The woman has the right to refuse to carry a fetus.

To be honest: I would feel much more comfortable with a law what allows a woman to kill the idiot who made her pregnant. Her baby is innocent.

There might be any number of factors in her decision. There might be risks to her heath or she might carry genes that would give the infant a short life or disability for life. The choice should be between her and the doctor not those outside. Others should have no right to dictate to the women what she must do. That cruel and unusual punishment. Where is the difference between forcing a women into unwanted labor for nearly a year and slavery?

You have not right to control her body.

I never controled any body of any woman. What a nonsense. Again: It's an unalienable human right to live. Who says something else is either a liar or has absolutelly no plan what he is speaking about.

Women are not forced to have an abortion. ...

So no one needs abortions - or do you really like to say a woman gets pregnant and likes to abort just for fun?

There are a number of reason for the mother or child that wold make a pregnancy a high risk. It should be an option rather than risk death, suffering or major mental and physical deformity.

Even in the best of pregnancies there can be complications and a woman might bleed to death, or close to before the bleeding is stopped.

If a women is going to go through such a risk it should with full information and consent. Not because she is being forced to by some outside party.

I never said any woman should die because she is pregnant. But I doubt about that millions of women worldwide every year give the allowness to let her baby kill in their own body because this baby is a real threat for the mother. I think women are forced to do so on other reasons. I don't think the decision to let the own baby be killed has something to do with freedom.

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

Her life, her liberty, her pursuit of happiness............her choice.

 

[zaangalewa]

A sea full of tears is not able to describe the hell of abortions. One of the most perfidious and terrible things is it how our world forces mothers to agree that their babies have to be killed in them. I guess the psychological pain of such wounds are so extraordinary high that it's impossible to feel the pain of this wounds any longer.

In my eyes intrigant men are the main reasion for this desaster worldwide, They give women no chance to be emancipated as women and mothers. They often like to see only another form of men in women. This breaks the women so they agree to let their babies be killed, A tragedy in many ways.

I'm a Christian not a believer in nonsense nor a believer in immutable fate. A man and a women can have sex without tzeh result pregnancy. But if the woman is pregnant - then both together should be able to carry their baby a short time through this world of woe.

Pregnancy is not a sickness.

A mother carries her fetus hopefully not only til birth but through the whole life. To give every mother thw right to let her children be executed independent from the age of her children would be a strange law - but there would be some logic inside. Abortion has no logic at all.

Oh by the way: My experience tells me that wars of words help no one and people who are pro-abortion will anyway ignore everything what anyone else says against abortion. So I try to say as less to this theme as possible. Unfortunateley to say nothing to such themes of absurde ways of antilife seems to be for some people an agreement.

That's wrong. A doctor of medicine has no spiritual right to kill anyone. This has also to do with his profession: a healer is not a deathman. If someone likes to do suicide he has to do this on his own.

A doctor has the duty to help to live - a patient has not the duty to let himselve help.

To be honest: I would feel much more comfortable with a law what allows a woman to kill the idiot who made her pregnant. Her baby is innocent.

I never controled any body of any woman. What a nonsense. Again: It's an unalienable human right to live. Who says something else is either a liar or has absolutelly no plan what he is speaking about.

Women are not forced to have an abortion. ...

So no one needs abortions - or do you really like to say a woman gets pregnant and likes to abort just for fun?

I don't believe any woman take abortion lightly. They take the action because it is the right choice for them under the situation. Nothing fun about it. You are demented to think it is.

And if acupuncturists induce or a woman uses herbs or more drastic means.............

I'd rather see clinics offer abortions than for women to find some back street practitioner or resorting to coat hangers.

If it is know that birth control like a condom failed, there re over the counter methods. By two weeks to a month those methods are too late and an abortions is the only option to terminating the pregnancy. No women should be forced to carry a child she is not ready for. There are too many unwanted or unloved children out there already. Too many living in poor conditions and malnourished. Too many abused.
There is no rational reason for forcing a woman to be an incubator against her will.
If men had to carry and give birth every time they engaged in sex this would not be an issue. As for issues of abuse or rape there should never be any restriction to access to abortion.
Abortions and birth control have been a part of society since the dawn of civilization, perhaps even before. Women do not simply go out and gather their birth control any more and few understand the use of nature for inducing an abortion or even neutralizing male sperm.
The world is over populated and there is enough conflict that bringing an unwanted child into the mix is cruel and senseless.

Every child that is birthed should be one that will be loved and cherished by it's parents and family. Women are not slaves and should not be expected to be birthing machines.

I do not agree with anything what seems to allow anyone to kill innocent human beings. For me this discussion is over.

and I don't agree with outsiders telling a woman she has to be a slave to an unwanted fetus for almost a year, or more. You forget that an decision to have an abortion is not just about not wanting to carry the fetus, but about the health of the woman as well. Woman have a legal right to decide what happens to her body. She has the right to choose to not carry an infant to term.

You do not have the right to prevent her from her choice. You do not have a right to interfere with the doctor from doing the procedure.

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[zaangalewa]

A sea full of tears is not able to describe the hell of abortions. One of the most perfidious and terrible things is it how our world forces mothers to agree that their babies have to be killed in them. I guess the psychological pain of such wounds are so extraordinary high that it's impossible to feel the pain of this wounds any longer.

In my eyes intrigant men are the main reasion for this desaster worldwide, They give women no chance to be emancipated as women and mothers. They often like to see only another form of men in women. This breaks the women so they agree to let their babies be killed, A tragedy in many ways.

I'm a Christian not a believer in nonsense nor a believer in immutable fate. A man and a women can have sex without tzeh result pregnancy. But if the woman is pregnant - then both together should be able to carry their baby a short time through this world of woe.

Pregnancy is not a sickness.

A mother carries her fetus hopefully not only til birth but through the whole life. To give every mother thw right to let her children be executed independent from the age of her children would be a strange law - but there would be some logic inside. Abortion has no logic at all.

Oh by the way: My experience tells me that wars of words help no one and people who are pro-abortion will anyway ignore everything what anyone else says against abortion. So I try to say as less to this theme as possible. Unfortunateley to say nothing to such themes of absurde ways of antilife seems to be for some people an agreement.

That's wrong. A doctor of medicine has no spiritual right to kill anyone. This has also to do with his profession: a healer is not a deathman. If someone likes to do suicide he has to do this on his own.

A doctor has the duty to help to live - a patient has not the duty to let himselve help.

To be honest: I would feel much more comfortable with a law what allows a woman to kill the idiot who made her pregnant. Her baby is innocent.

I never controled any body of any woman. What a nonsense. Again: It's an unalienable human right to live. Who says something else is either a liar or has absolutelly no plan what he is speaking about.

Women are not forced to have an abortion. ...

So no one needs abortions - or do you really like to say a woman gets pregnant and likes to abort just for fun?

There are a number of reason for the mother or child that wold make a pregnancy a high risk. It should be an option rather than risk death, suffering or major mental and physical deformity.

Even in the best of pregnancies there can be complications and a woman might bleed to death, or close to before the bleeding is stopped.

If a women is going to go through such a risk it should with full information and consent. Not because she is being forced to by some outside party.

I never said any woman should die because she is pregnant. But I doubt about that millions of women worldwide every year give the allowness to let her baby kill in their own body because this baby is a real threat for the mother. I think women are forced to do so on other reasons. I don't think the decision to let the own baby be killed has something to do with freedom.

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

Her life, her liberty, her pursuit of happiness............her choice.

I don't know how someone is able to think abortion is life, abortion is freedom or abortion makes happy. Specially: Death is not freedom - death is nothing.

 

[aris2chat]

Women are not forced to have an abortion. ...

So no one needs abortions - or do you really like to say a woman gets pregnant and likes to abort just for fun?

There are a number of reason for the mother or child that wold make a pregnancy a high risk. It should be an option rather than risk death, suffering or major mental and physical deformity.

Even in the best of pregnancies there can be complications and a woman might bleed to death, or close to before the bleeding is stopped.

If a women is going to go through such a risk it should with full information and consent. Not because she is being forced to by some outside party.

I never said any woman should die because she is pregnant. But I doubt about that millions of women worldwide every year give the allowness to let her baby kill in their own body because this baby is a real threat for the mother. I think women are forced to do so on other reasons. I don't think the decision to let the own baby be killed has something to do with freedom.

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

Her life, her liberty, her pursuit of happiness............her choice.

I don't know how someone is able to think abortion is life, abortion is freedom or abortion makes happy.

If she is not happy about being pregnant, she has the right to choose to change the situation. It is her life and no one should alter her life or liberty for a fetus she does not want.
I don't believe any woman is happy to have an abortion, but they have to make the choice for what is best for her, she is trying to make her life less unhappy.
Why do anti-abortion people think it is such a casual choice or fun. I'm sure it is hard choice, but the woman has to do what is best for her. The whole point is she has the right to choose, either way, not you

 

[zaangalewa]

So no one needs abortions - or do you really like to say a woman gets pregnant and likes to abort just for fun?

There are a number of reason for the mother or child that wold make a pregnancy a high risk. It should be an option rather than risk death, suffering or major mental and physical deformity.

Even in the best of pregnancies there can be complications and a woman might bleed to death, or close to before the bleeding is stopped.

If a women is going to go through such a risk it should with full information and consent. Not because she is being forced to by some outside party.

I never said any woman should die because she is pregnant. But I doubt about that millions of women worldwide every year give the allowness to let her baby kill in their own body because this baby is a real threat for the mother. I think women are forced to do so on other reasons. I don't think the decision to let the own baby be killed has something to do with freedom.

"Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness"

Her life, her liberty, her pursuit of happiness............her choice.

I don't know how someone is able to think abortion is life, abortion is freedom or abortion makes happy.

If she is not happy about being pregnant, she has the right to choose to change the situation. It is her life and no one should alter her life or liberty for a fetus she does not want.
I don't believe any woman is happy to have an abortion, but they have to make the choice for what is best for her, she is trying to make her life less unhappy.
Why do anti-abortion people think it is such a casual choice or fun. I'm sure it is hard choice, but the woman has to do what is best for her. The whole point is she has the right to choose, either way, not you

You teach me about the values of the american culture that some human beings have rights and other human beings don't have the same rights, that's all. Discuss with your own fellow countrymen about your constitution. I don't discuss about the american constitution, because it is sacrosanct.

 

[PostmodernProph]

It has not taken a breath on it's own, it is just so much cells till it actually lives outside the womb.

that may be the law's definition but it is not science's......

The fetus is not living

of course it is.....

No women should be forced to carry life any more than she should be forced to undertake any medical treatment or procedure if she does not want to. It is her body, first and foremost.

no one forced her to carry the life, but once she has, she should carry it the full nine months and put it up for adoption, because what she wants to kill is NOT her body, not first,not foremost, not at all....

That is a nine month commitment, where she is not free to control her own body?

to be fair, its more like seven plus, since she didn't even know she was pregnant the first month.....

Some women don't want to suffer with labor

then she should have used birth control......

 

[PostmodernProph]

crime has more to do with how they are raised and eduction than the number of births. Eliminated poverty and want, improve education, create more higher paying job with benefits, improve the community........................

Your impression of crime was incorrect. It was not 2-4% but closer to 30%. That is not a small difference. Care for those lives first.

if you are going to justify killing black children because they are engaged in crime it is illogical to stop just because momma gave birth......how do we identify the children who will grow up to be criminals and how old do they have to be before we stop killing them?.......

 

[PostmodernProph]

Here is what's nuts about you theists. You probably don't even like rubbers getting in the way of gods will.

You probably think pulling out is murder. Lol

not true, actually.....I am aware enough of biology to know the difference between a fetus and sperm cells......I will admit that many of the seculars I argue with do not realize there is a difference.........

 

[PostmodernProph]

Isn't it funny they worry about a pre human not yet born but wish they'd just kill all the murderers in prison. Doesn't matter the horrible childhood they had.

and yet you two are the ones who argued we needed abortion because 30% of black males end up in prison anyway......you say you don't want to kill the murderers in prison but you want to kill the children who MIGHT end up in prison....

 

[aris2chat]

It has not taken a breath on it's own, it is just so much cells till it actually lives outside the womb.

that may be the law's definition but it is not science's......

The fetus is not living

of course it is.....

No women should be forced to carry life any more than she should be forced to undertake any medical treatment or procedure if she does not want to. It is her body, first and foremost.

no one forced her to carry the life, but once she has, she should carry it the full nine months and put it up for adoption, because what she wants to kill is NOT her body, not first,not foremost, not at all....

That is a nine month commitment, where she is not free to control her own body?

to be fair, its more like seven plus, since she didn't even know she was pregnant the first month.....

Some women don't want to suffer with labor

then she should have used birth control......

morning sickness begins in the first two to three weeks.

 

[aris2chat]

crime has more to do with how they are raised and eduction than the number of births. Eliminated poverty and want, improve education, create more higher paying job with benefits, improve the community........................

Your impression of crime was incorrect. It was not 2-4% but closer to 30%. That is not a small difference. Care for those lives first.

if you are going to justify killing black children because they are engaged in crime it is illogical to stop just because momma gave birth......how do we identify the children who will grow up to be criminals and how old do they have to be before we stop killing them?.......

I'm not justifying killing of blacks. I'm supporting a woman's right to choose.

The statistics of crime were incorrect and I was giving the correct numbers. The color of the woman or the sperm donor does not matter. It is the woman's right to decide if she wants to carry the fetus to birth or not.
Poorer people tend to have a higher failure rate of birth control, or lack of access to it. They have a higher rate of miscarriage and birth defects. A higher rater of complication with childbirth. They might be more likely to turn to clinics.
People should be more concerned with fixing the problems of the poor and lower educated than interfering in a woman's right to control what happens to her body. Save the lives of those breathing now and not try to prevent what a woman chooses about fetus that is not yet able to live on it's own. As long as it is inside the woman, it is part of her body and only she should decide is she wants to carry it or have it removed.
You can't control what she does to her body if she does not remove the fetus. She might not get prenatal care, or abuse drugs and alcohol, or engage in dangerous activity. It is her body. You don't know the circumstances of how she got pregnant, nor what she does from that point on. You can't understand all the reason why a woman might not want to carry a child. You can't know the whole heath history of each and every woman that chooses not to carry a child to term. You don't know what she goes through to come to her decision.

The choice is hers, not yours. You have not right to force her to carry or give birth. Stay out of her womb, it is her's not yours. Stay out of her doctor's office. Stay out of the clinic. Stay out of her life. Personally I don't think a husband should have a say in her choice. It was only one out of a quarter billion of sperm, but it is her egg and her body.

 

[sealybobo]

Isn't it funny they worry about a pre human not yet born but wish they'd just kill all the murderers in prison. Doesn't matter the horrible childhood they had.

and yet you two are the ones who argued we needed abortion because 30% of black males end up in prison anyway......you say you don't want to kill the murderers in prison but you want to kill the children who MIGHT end up in prison....

I want to prevent a bad woman from having a baby with a bad man and then raising a bad child. If only she had 2 abortions she'd be free.

Surviving children say Detroit mom tortured them for years before killing and storing siblings in freezer MLive.com

 

[aris2chat]

Isn't it funny they worry about a pre human not yet born but wish they'd just kill all the murderers in prison. Doesn't matter the horrible childhood they had.

and yet you two are the ones who argued we needed abortion because 30% of black males end up in prison anyway......you say you don't want to kill the murderers in prison but you want to kill the children who MIGHT end up in prison....

I want to prevent a bad woman from having a baby with a bad man and then raising a bad child. If only she had 2 abortions she'd be free.

Surviving children say Detroit mom tortured them for years before killing and storing siblings in freezer MLive.com

Perhaps woman should take a mental test or some sort of evaluation before having children.
Many with down syndrome and other genetic disabilities are given birth control or sterilized so they can't have children. Same with those who are mental dependents or institutionalized in metal hospitals. They have guardians to determine if they can marry, adopt or even live in a semi independent setting. Not everyone is fit to carry and raise a child. They are viewed as children mentally and not fully capable of making adult decision on their own.

Courts, guardians, proxies, medical professionals are responsible for making informative choices for those few.

Those with genetic markers are discouraged from have their own children for any number of diseases and deformities they risk passing to their children.

Even testing of the fetus can show problem and a women/couple might opt to abort rather than let the infant suffer it's whole life.

I know some adults that I see as even less able to make intelligent choices, but that is JMHO

Given women the information and choices they need to decide. Ultimately it is her choice.

 

[PostmodernProph]

It has not taken a breath on it's own, it is just so much cells till it actually lives outside the womb.

that may be the law's definition but it is not science's......

The fetus is not living

of course it is.....

No women should be forced to carry life any more than she should be forced to undertake any medical treatment or procedure if she does not want to. It is her body, first and foremost.

no one forced her to carry the life, but once she has, she should carry it the full nine months and put it up for adoption, because what she wants to kill is NOT her body, not first,not foremost, not at all....

That is a nine month commitment, where she is not free to control her own body?

to be fair, its more like seven plus, since she didn't even know she was pregnant the first month.....

Some women don't want to suffer with labor

then she should have used birth control......

morning sickness begins in the first two to three weeks.

and most women wait to see if they miss a period before they know......

 

[PostmodernProph]

crime has more to do with how they are raised and eduction than the number of births. Eliminated poverty and want, improve education, create more higher paying job with benefits, improve the community........................

Your impression of crime was incorrect. It was not 2-4% but closer to 30%. That is not a small difference. Care for those lives first.

if you are going to justify killing black children because they are engaged in crime it is illogical to stop just because momma gave birth......how do we identify the children who will grow up to be criminals and how old do they have to be before we stop killing them?.......

I'm not justifying killing of blacks. .

then in defense of abortion why argue that 30% of black males end up in jail......

 

[PostmodernProph]

Isn't it funny they worry about a pre human not yet born but wish they'd just kill all the murderers in prison. Doesn't matter the horrible childhood they had.

and yet you two are the ones who argued we needed abortion because 30% of black males end up in prison anyway......you say you don't want to kill the murderers in prison but you want to kill the children who MIGHT end up in prison....

I want to prevent a bad woman from having a baby with a bad man and then raising a bad child. If only she had 2 abortions she'd be free.

Surviving children say Detroit mom tortured them for years before killing and storing siblings in freezer MLive.com

if she didn't want the children why not place them for adoption when they were born?......