Average hourly rate of an American is $24.06 or $50,044 per year.

[hadit]

The OP thinks raising the minimum wage will be accompanied by a huge drop in demand for services....so business owners can just fire people or cut hours. So easy.

Or...they replace people with robots. They are FREE! And they don't need people to manufacture and maintain them either.

Idiot.

Difference. Robotic manufacturing is skilled labor, and the robots replaced UNskilled labor. A handful of skilled workers make robots that will replace thousands of unskilled workers. A $50,000 robot that replaces 5 minimum wage burger flippers pays for its purchase price in one year.

 

[LoneLaugher]

The OP thinks raising the minimum wage will be accompanied by a huge drop in demand for services....so business owners can just fire people or cut hours. So easy.

Or...they replace people with robots. They are FREE! And they don't need people to manufacture and maintain them either.

Idiot.

Difference. Robotic manufacturing is skilled labor, and the robots replaced UNskilled labor. A handful of skilled workers make robots that will replace thousands of unskilled workers. A $50,000 robot that replaces 5 minimum wage burger flippers pays for its purchase price in one year.

If that were true, it WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY.

 

[NYcarbineer]

The OP thinks raising the minimum wage will be accompanied by a huge drop in demand for services....so business owners can just fire people or cut hours. So easy.

Or...they replace people with robots. They are FREE! And they don't need people to manufacture and maintain them either.

Idiot.

Difference. Robotic manufacturing is skilled labor, and the robots replaced UNskilled labor. A handful of skilled workers make robots that will replace thousands of unskilled workers. A $50,000 robot that replaces 5 minimum wage burger flippers pays for its purchase price in one year.

So the incentive to get rid of workers in fast food is there whether the minimum wage goes up or not.

 

[NYcarbineer]

What you cons don't understand is that anyone making less than 10 an hour is not making a wage they can live off of. That is why so many people are on food stamps. It is also way below the level of inflation. If you raised the wage to 10 an hour you would be helping 16 million people get out of poverty.

Where would you raise 16 million people when less then 3.5 million make minimum wage?
FACTS where are your FACTS you raise 16 million by raising 3.3 million to $10.80 per hour?
Between age 16 to 24 years,1,797,000 at or below minimum wage..
Tables 1 - 10 Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers 2012

Below table shows... 16 to 24 years old make up 673,000
25 years older... 591,000
Total 16 years and older 3.5 million NOT 16 million!!!
View attachment 32702

That's interesting. Looks like the average McDonald's could absorb a minimum wage hike and still make money.

Not much of one, and when labor costs rise high enough, burger flipping will be automated.

What's the cost per hour of an automated burger flipper?

Momentum Machines The Next Industrial Revolution
Our current device can pay for itself in less than one year, making equipment sales a second path for us.
All it has to do is cost $10.80 X 2,080 hours or $22,464 in the first year... and NOTHING but maintenance the next year.
Also it works 7 days a week 24 hours a day.

Great. And when technology has all but wiped out all labor intensive businesses in this country, and all the jobs that go with them,

but the country continues to produce people needing jobs,

then what happens?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Where would you raise 16 million people when less then 3.5 million make minimum wage?
FACTS where are your FACTS you raise 16 million by raising 3.3 million to $10.80 per hour?
Between age 16 to 24 years,1,797,000 at or below minimum wage..
Tables 1 - 10 Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers 2012

Below table shows... 16 to 24 years old make up 673,000
25 years older... 591,000
Total 16 years and older 3.5 million NOT 16 million!!!
View attachment 32702

That's interesting. Looks like the average McDonald's could absorb a minimum wage hike and still make money.

Not much of one, and when labor costs rise high enough, burger flipping will be automated.

What's the cost per hour of an automated burger flipper?

Momentum Machines The Next Industrial Revolution
Our current device can pay for itself in less than one year, making equipment sales a second path for us.
All it has to do is cost $10.80 X 2,080 hours or $22,464 in the first year... and NOTHING but maintenance the next year.
Also it works 7 days a week 24 hours a day.

Great. And when technology has all but wiped out all labor intensive businesses in this country, and all the jobs that go with them,

but the country continues to produce people needing jobs,

then what happens?

Living wages for fewer hours worked. Progress.

 

[rdean]

Reduce the minimum wage and more unskilled Republicans can get jobs.

 

[RKMBrown]

Reduce the minimum wage and more unskilled Republicans can get jobs.

Is that the story you are sticking with this week? Last week the mean old republicans were rich, now they are unskilled and poor.

 

[asterism]

Explain to me folks how putting 1 million plus people under 25 out of work is good?

You really think that thousands of businesses are going to close up just over an increase in the minimum wage?

So how many will get shit canned so the company can stay in business?

Who will do their work if they get let go?

Machines.

Minimum wage Wage hikes can lead to automation Northwest Voices Seattle Times

The downside of minimum wage hikes - Yahoo Finance

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/44995-MinimumWage.pdf

No that is generic risk of raising the wage too high. Obviously if the wage was raised to 30 an hour, that would happen. This would not happen at 10.10 an hour.

Again people COONNNTTTEEEXXXTTTTT

It's already happening at $7.25 per hour.

 

[asterism]

Explain to me folks how putting 1 million plus people under 25 out of work is good?

You really think that thousands of businesses are going to close up just over an increase in the minimum wage?

So how many will get shit canned so the company can stay in business?

Who will do their work if they get let go?

Machines.

Minimum wage Wage hikes can lead to automation Northwest Voices Seattle Times

The downside of minimum wage hikes - Yahoo Finance

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/44995-MinimumWage.pdf

So there are machines that cost 8.00/hour to run?

There might be, but that's not my point. My point is that while machines might be cheaper overall, there needs to be a catalyst for an owner to invest in the technology to change to a machine-based system. An increased in the variable cost of checkout is one of those catalysts.

Why pay 10 cashiers at $10 an hour when you can pay 2 cashiers to oversee 10 self-checkout stations at $16 an hour and $5000 per station?

 

[asterism]

So if the average wage in the US is $24/hour, that means the average employer in America can afford to pay that amount, on average.

Yes, the average between your $50 per hour job and the teenage burger flipper at $8 per hour.


Same skillset and training, just different training. I'd bet a college student at McDonald's has more "certifications" than you.

 

[asterism]

If a person looks at the historical unemployment rate, when the minimum wage has been increased, there has never been a spike in the unemployment rate.

That's not true. Unemployment increased in 2008, 2009 and 2010 while the minimum wage increased in 2007, 2008, and 2009.

U.S. Department of Labor - Wage and Hour Division WHD - Minimum Wage

During the biggest economic downturn since the Great Depression! You can't be serious!
That is really, really lame.

Read your words again.

Did a massive increase in wages tip the scale on a bubble economy? It's hard to say but it certainly couldn't have helped.

 

[asterism]

The OP thinks raising the minimum wage will be accompanied by a huge drop in demand for services....so business owners can just fire people or cut hours. So easy.

Or...they replace people with robots. They are FREE! And they don't need people to manufacture and maintain them either.

Idiot.

How many automated checkout systems can you buy for $15,000? If you've been skeptical about replacing most of your cashiers with these units, would an increase of $6000 per cashier make you consider the option?

 

[asterism]

The OP thinks raising the minimum wage will be accompanied by a huge drop in demand for services....so business owners can just fire people or cut hours. So easy.

Or...they replace people with robots. They are FREE! And they don't need people to manufacture and maintain them either.

Idiot.

Difference. Robotic manufacturing is skilled labor, and the robots replaced UNskilled labor. A handful of skilled workers make robots that will replace thousands of unskilled workers. A $50,000 robot that replaces 5 minimum wage burger flippers pays for its purchase price in one year.

So the incentive to get rid of workers in fast food is there whether the minimum wage goes up or not.

Minimum wage hikes provide the reason to change, yes.

 

[asterism]

Where would you raise 16 million people when less then 3.5 million make minimum wage?
FACTS where are your FACTS you raise 16 million by raising 3.3 million to $10.80 per hour?
Between age 16 to 24 years,1,797,000 at or below minimum wage..
Tables 1 - 10 Characteristics of Minimum Wage Workers 2012

Below table shows... 16 to 24 years old make up 673,000
25 years older... 591,000
Total 16 years and older 3.5 million NOT 16 million!!!
View attachment 32702

That's interesting. Looks like the average McDonald's could absorb a minimum wage hike and still make money.

Not much of one, and when labor costs rise high enough, burger flipping will be automated.

What's the cost per hour of an automated burger flipper?

Momentum Machines The Next Industrial Revolution
Our current device can pay for itself in less than one year, making equipment sales a second path for us.
All it has to do is cost $10.80 X 2,080 hours or $22,464 in the first year... and NOTHING but maintenance the next year.
Also it works 7 days a week 24 hours a day.

Great. And when technology has all but wiped out all labor intensive businesses in this country, and all the jobs that go with them,

but the country continues to produce people needing jobs,

then what happens?

Your worker's paradise dreams disappear and you have to earn your living.


By the way, your job is being automated too, Help Desk. To be fair, my job is being automated also. The difference is that I'm not looking for the government to enforce protectionist policies to keep me in a job. I don't fight innovation, I innovate.

 

[asterism]

That's interesting. Looks like the average McDonald's could absorb a minimum wage hike and still make money.

Not much of one, and when labor costs rise high enough, burger flipping will be automated.

What's the cost per hour of an automated burger flipper?

Momentum Machines The Next Industrial Revolution
Our current device can pay for itself in less than one year, making equipment sales a second path for us.
All it has to do is cost $10.80 X 2,080 hours or $22,464 in the first year... and NOTHING but maintenance the next year.
Also it works 7 days a week 24 hours a day.

Great. And when technology has all but wiped out all labor intensive businesses in this country, and all the jobs that go with them,

but the country continues to produce people needing jobs,

then what happens?

Living wages for fewer hours worked. Progress.

Progress only for those who still have jobs. That's the problem with Progressive policies, they leave so many people out.

 

[LoneLaugher]

Not much of one, and when labor costs rise high enough, burger flipping will be automated.

What's the cost per hour of an automated burger flipper?

Momentum Machines The Next Industrial Revolution
Our current device can pay for itself in less than one year, making equipment sales a second path for us.
All it has to do is cost $10.80 X 2,080 hours or $22,464 in the first year... and NOTHING but maintenance the next year.
Also it works 7 days a week 24 hours a day.

Great. And when technology has all but wiped out all labor intensive businesses in this country, and all the jobs that go with them,

but the country continues to produce people needing jobs,

then what happens?

Living wages for fewer hours worked. Progress.

Progress only for those who still have jobs. That's the problem with Progressive policies, they leave so many people out.

Oh look.....it's a representative from backward-land! Where things seem opposite to how they really are! What fun!

 

[NYcarbineer]

That's interesting. Looks like the average McDonald's could absorb a minimum wage hike and still make money.

Not much of one, and when labor costs rise high enough, burger flipping will be automated.

What's the cost per hour of an automated burger flipper?

Momentum Machines The Next Industrial Revolution
Our current device can pay for itself in less than one year, making equipment sales a second path for us.
All it has to do is cost $10.80 X 2,080 hours or $22,464 in the first year... and NOTHING but maintenance the next year.
Also it works 7 days a week 24 hours a day.

Great. And when technology has all but wiped out all labor intensive businesses in this country, and all the jobs that go with them,

but the country continues to produce people needing jobs,

then what happens?

Your worker's paradise dreams disappear and you have to earn your living.


By the way, your job is being automated too, Help Desk. To be fair, my job is being automated also. The difference is that I'm not looking for the government to enforce protectionist policies to keep me in a job. I don't fight innovation, I innovate.

That didn't answer my question.

 

[NYcarbineer]

You really think that thousands of businesses are going to close up just over an increase in the minimum wage?

So how many will get shit canned so the company can stay in business?

Who will do their work if they get let go?

Machines.

Minimum wage Wage hikes can lead to automation Northwest Voices Seattle Times

The downside of minimum wage hikes - Yahoo Finance

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/44995-MinimumWage.pdf

So there are machines that cost 8.00/hour to run?

There might be, but that's not my point. My point is that while machines might be cheaper overall, there needs to be a catalyst for an owner to invest in the technology to change to a machine-based system. An increased in the variable cost of checkout is one of those catalysts.

Why pay 10 cashiers at $10 an hour when you can pay 2 cashiers to oversee 10 self-checkout stations at $16 an hour and $5000 per station?

You miss the point. The OP seems to think that keeping the minimum wage low will save the jobs.

 

[healthmyths]

The OP thinks raising the minimum wage will be accompanied by a huge drop in demand for services....so business owners can just fire people or cut hours. So easy.

Or...they replace people with robots. They are FREE! And they don't need people to manufacture and maintain them either.

Idiot.

How many automated checkout systems can you buy for $15,000? If you've been skeptical about replacing most of your cashiers with these units, would an increase of $6000 per cashier make you consider the option?

First of all I'm not saying it will cost jobs.. the CBO does... 500,000 jobs.
The Effects of a Minimum-Wage Increase on Employment and Family Income Congressional Budget Office

2nd... note the "Likely Range... Very slight decrease to the 1 million workers that would be affected!
Do you understand??? they say 1 million people... THAT'S IT that the minimum wage will affect.
Not the stupid comments idiots have kept saying "middle class",etc.!

3rd..
Customer self service is here to stay and the costs will be the low skilled entry level.
And you supposedly "compassionate" concerned people... WHERE are these 16 to 19 year olds suppose to get on the job training?
Tax payer training services? How stupid! Let these people continue to learn on the job while earning their wages... but to force employers
to replace with robots /customer self service hurts ONLY the low skill entry level people... which again all you compassionate people are forgetting about!

 

[hadit]

The OP thinks raising the minimum wage will be accompanied by a huge drop in demand for services....so business owners can just fire people or cut hours. So easy.

Or...they replace people with robots. They are FREE! And they don't need people to manufacture and maintain them either.

Idiot.

Difference. Robotic manufacturing is skilled labor, and the robots replaced UNskilled labor. A handful of skilled workers make robots that will replace thousands of unskilled workers. A $50,000 robot that replaces 5 minimum wage burger flippers pays for its purchase price in one year.

If that were true, it WOULD HAVE BEEN DONE ALREADY.

Robotics isn't cheap enough compared to teenagers with attitudes yet. It's coming.