Be Honest: There is only one real reason to need to carry a gun.

[Skull Pilot]

No, but you shouldn't be surprised when they do if you don't offer alternatives.

Guns almost never protect "honest citizens", this is what you kind of don't get. Because the criminal is usually more ruthless and has the element of surprise.

So why is it we need to lock up 2 million people and the Germans only lock up 78,000? Never get you to answer that question....

You're assuming that all of the 2 million people in jail are there for committing violent crimes.

You are wrong.

I'm not making any such assumption.

If fact, I think most of the 2 million we have in prison don't belong there.

But big corporations have found that there's money in running prisons, so while the Germans lock up only the 78K people who really need to be locked up, in America, we have Corporate Slave farms that you the taxpayer pays for because you are all running scared.

Keep clinging to those guns and bibles, boys....

Please tell me how you connect my weapons which have only ever been used by me to the prison population.

This i got to hear.

And BTW I'm an atheist.

 

[JoeB131]

You're assuming that all of the 2 million people in jail are there for committing violent crimes.

You are wrong.

I'm not making any such assumption.

If fact, I think most of the 2 million we have in prison don't belong there.

But big corporations have found that there's money in running prisons, so while the Germans lock up only the 78K people who really need to be locked up, in America, we have Corporate Slave farms that you the taxpayer pays for because you are all running scared.

Keep clinging to those guns and bibles, boys....

Please tell me how you connect my weapons which have only ever been used by me to the prison population.

This i got to hear.

And BTW I'm an atheist.

I didn't.

What I pointed out was that we have lot of guns and lots of prisoners and we still have the highest crime rates in the industrialized world....

Which if you buy the CaveMan Argument that we just need more guns with the good guys and more bad guys locked up, we should ALREADY have the lowest crime rate because we already lead the world in both those things.

 

[Skull Pilot]

I'm not making any such assumption.

If fact, I think most of the 2 million we have in prison don't belong there.

But big corporations have found that there's money in running prisons, so while the Germans lock up only the 78K people who really need to be locked up, in America, we have Corporate Slave farms that you the taxpayer pays for because you are all running scared.

Keep clinging to those guns and bibles, boys....

Please tell me how you connect my weapons which have only ever been used by me to the prison population.

This i got to hear.

And BTW I'm an atheist.

I didn't.

What I pointed out was that we have lot of guns and lots of prisoners and we still have the highest crime rates in the industrialized world....

Which if you buy the CaveMan Argument that we just need more guns with the good guys and more bad guys locked up, we should ALREADY have the lowest crime rate because we already lead the world in both those things.

I don't care how many people own weapons. It's none of my business.

Our incarceration rate has nothing to do with people owning guns and everything to do with our locking up nonviolent offenders and is a different topic altogether.

 

[jtpr312]

FEAR

Seriously. Think about it. If there was no FEAR of being robbed and/or assaulted there is no reason to carry a gun, right?

We buy auto insurance and wear seat belts because we FEAR that at some point in time we may be involved in an accident. (Ok, and in most cases the law requires it and we fear getting a ticket too.)

Hey!! I'm not knocking it. Illinois will soon finally join everyone else in passing a CC law. When we do that I will get one so I can carry it in any areas known for high crime rates. But since I don't FEAR being robbed and/or assaulted in my small hometown I don't feel the need to carry it around.

Now I also realize that there are those who simply want to carry one around like a playtoy. But I suspect that they are simply making up for other "shortcomings".

So if anyone disagrees that FEAR is the primary motivation to carry a gun please explain why it's not.

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Small penis.

Geez, what is it with you faggots and liberals that make you think of penises whenever the topic of firearms is brought up?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Last time I bought a car, they checked my license, my license plate and whether I had insurance or not. Now, I'm not sure what part of the country you are in where they let people buy cars without doing all that stuff, but most of the country, that's how it works.

Again, let's treat guns like cars. You have to get a license, you have to get insurance, you have to get a background check.

I will bet you a billion billion dollars a day for a billion billion days that you do not need a licence to buy a car ANYWHERE in the country.

I will bet you a billion billion dollars a day for a billion billion days that you do not need insurance to buy a car ANYWHERE in the country.

I will bet you a billion billion dollars a day for a billion billion days that you do not need a "background check" to buy a car ANYWHERE in the country.

You truly are remarkably stupid.

Babble on all day, guy... you just sound like a guy whose never bought a car before.

Dodge noted...I expected no better. Come on, dumbass, refute ANYTHING I just posted, if you can.

Of course, you cannot.

 

[JoeB131]

I will bet you a billion billion dollars a day for a billion billion days that you do not need a licence to buy a car ANYWHERE in the country.

I will bet you a billion billion dollars a day for a billion billion days that you do not need insurance to buy a car ANYWHERE in the country.

I will bet you a billion billion dollars a day for a billion billion days that you do not need a "background check" to buy a car ANYWHERE in the country.

You truly are remarkably stupid.

Babble on all day, guy... you just sound like a guy whose never bought a car before.

Dodge noted...I expected no better. Come on, dumbass, refute ANYTHING I just posted, if you can.

Of course, you cannot.

Guy, I know every time I've bought a car, (I'm on my fourth) they've asked to see my license, and a lot of other shit...

Now, wherever you're from where half your autos are up on cinderblocks on the front lawn, I can't speak to.

 

[M14 Shooter]

False. I could walk into a dealership right now and buy a car with no licence. (For that matter, I can tag a car in this state with no licence.) If I buy the car outright (no financing), the dealer doesn't give a damn if I insure it, unless they need insurance info to register it for me.

So, the short version is: yes, you ARE actually THAT FUCKING DISCONNECTED FROM REALITY.

Last time I bought a car, they checked my license, my license plate and whether I had insurance or not. Now, I'm not sure what part of the country you are in where they let people buy cars without doing all that stuff, but most of the country, that's how it works.

Again, let's treat guns like cars. You have to get a license, you have to get insurance, you have to get a background check.

I will bet you a billion billion dollars a day for a billion billion days that you do not need a licence to buy a car ANYWHERE in the country.

I will bet you a billion billion dollars a day for a billion billion days that you do not need insurance to buy a car ANYWHERE in the country.

I will bet you a billion billion dollars a day for a billion billion days that you do not need a "background check" to buy a car ANYWHERE in the country.

You truly are remarkably stupid.

A bet he will not take because it is a bet you will win.

 

[M14 Shooter]

The world has always been a dangerous place. Carrying guns won't make it a safer place.

if a criminal has a choice between a victim he knows is unarmed and a victim that has a reasonable chance of being armed, who will he choose in the vast manority of instances?

 

[daveman]

No, I just point out the facts.

Your logic is that we need more guns and more prisons... even though we have more than any country in the world.

If your "reality" was correct, we'd have the lowest crime rate in the industrialized world, not the highest.

We need more guns for honest citizens to protect themselves from criminals.

Criminals need to stop breaking the law. Despite what you so retardedly believe, they don't have the right to break the law.

No, but you shouldn't be surprised when they do if you don't offer alternatives.

Everyone has alternatives. Your weeping for scumbags is disgusting.

Guns almost never protect "honest citizens", this is what you kind of don't get. Because the criminal is usually more ruthless and has the element of surprise.

There are over 2 million defensive gun uses every year.

So once again, you're full of shit.

So why is it we need to lock up 2 million people and the Germans only lock up 78,000? Never get you to answer that question....

Because 2 million people break the law, you raging moron.

That's the answer. You cannot accept it, because it hold criminals accountable for their actions -- and you HATE that idea.

 

[daveman]

Dude, In your world, you seem to think that you are some sort of "gunslinger". You be shooting your daddy with your hand and all that shit. Like you live in the 1800's.
Fantasies and delusions are the world you live in. btw, stop any crimes last night?
Shoot outs at the ok? wtf did you do last night to make your world happen? Beside make bull shit posts for hours and hours. Bet you want to shoot someone because you just can't seem to convince anyone of your self righteous position. Well, except for the other fuking nut job gun nuts. Carry on fool.

We've had this conversation before, you moron. My avatar and signature are homage to a series of novels I enjoy reading. Your approval is neither sought nor required, and your opinion is worthless.

Get it now, Skippy?

So on top of being a heartless, mean-spirited asshole, you also have crappy literary tastes?

This applies to you as well: Your approval is neither sought nor required, and your opinion is worthless.

 

[daveman]

Guy, you rant and rave all day because you look at world that is passing you by...

I used to be as RW as you are. Then I realized I was being duped.

Fuck Clinging to the GUns and the Bibles, I want the Middle Class back.

Your "world" bears little resemblance to the real one I live in.

The one you live in is one where you think there's a whole crowd of horrid welfare people out there conspiring to take your gun and your bible.

Fact is, you're a dupe. You're not rich, but you are going to go to the wall for their interests over your own.

Just because you can't hold an opinion that isn't handed to you by your masters doesn't mean no one else can.

Obama thanks you for your enthusiastic participation in the imaginary class war. Actually, he neither knows who you are nor gives a shit about you. Your job is just to throw your spear and die gloriously.

And you kiss his ass for the opportunity.

Have you ever been a man, or have you always been a pussy?

 

[earlycuyler]

In the end, its no ones business why a person carry's. Its legal, and they do.

 

[daveman]

FEAR

Seriously. Think about it. If there was no FEAR of being robbed and/or assaulted there is no reason to carry a gun, right?

We buy auto insurance and wear seat belts because we FEAR that at some point in time we may be involved in an accident. (Ok, and in most cases the law requires it and we fear getting a ticket too.)

Hey!! I'm not knocking it. Illinois will soon finally join everyone else in passing a CC law. When we do that I will get one so I can carry it in any areas known for high crime rates. But since I don't FEAR being robbed and/or assaulted in my small hometown I don't feel the need to carry it around.

Now I also realize that there are those who simply want to carry one around like a playtoy. But I suspect that they are simply making up for other "shortcomings".

So if anyone disagrees that FEAR is the primary motivation to carry a gun please explain why it's not.

.

Small penis.

Do these women have small penises?

No Charges For Oklahoma Mom Sarah McKinley, Who Shot Intruder To Protect Baby

Georgia woman shoots intruder 5 times | Amarillo Globe-News

Alabama Woman Shoots Home Intruder to Protect Herself and Her Ax- and Knife-Wielding Daughters | Video | TheBlaze.com

You think these women and their children should have been victims.

You're a scumbag.

 

[earlycuyler]

My fav's are the ones where some 80 year old grand ma gives it to a crack head with a 1911.

 

[Dugdale_Jukes]

My statement: The world has always been a dangerous place. Carrying guns won't make it a safer place.

Your statement: if a criminal has a choice between a victim he knows is unarmed and a victim that has a reasonable chance of being armed, who will he choose in the vast manority of instances?

Guns can in some cases increase one's influence for truth, justice and the American Way and against the forces of evil. On the other hand gun ownership carries risks. My statement does not conflict with yours.

And be clear that my guns will be pried from my cold, dead fingers. No one is taking them. Ever.

 

[earlycuyler]

Babble on all day, guy... you just sound like a guy whose never bought a car before.

Dodge noted...I expected no better. Come on, dumbass, refute ANYTHING I just posted, if you can.

Of course, you cannot.

Guy, I know every time I've bought a car, (I'm on my fourth) they've asked to see my license, and a lot of other shit...

Now, wherever you're from where half your autos are up on cinderblocks on the front lawn, I can't speak to.

This means you are under his skin. He relises how stupid this comment is.

 

[JoeB131]

Because 2 million people break the law, you raging moron.

That's the answer. You cannot accept it, because it hold criminals accountable for their actions -- and you HATE that idea.

If that was the "answer", then why do we have the HIGHEST crime rate in the industrialized world,instead of the lowest?

I'm not talking about your limited moral universe where the bad people MUST BE PUNISHED. I'm talking about a practical sensible way of doing things. Are the things you are doing producing the desired result?

And the simple answer is- no, they aren't. Despite having 2 million in prison and 300 million gun out there, we have murder rates that are on pare with third world shitholes, not advanced industrial democracies.

You can blather on all day about being soft on criminals, but what you are doing is probably making the problem worse.

 

[JoeB131]

Dodge noted...I expected no better. Come on, dumbass, refute ANYTHING I just posted, if you can.

Of course, you cannot.

Guy, I know every time I've bought a car, (I'm on my fourth) they've asked to see my license, and a lot of other shit...

Now, wherever you're from where half your autos are up on cinderblocks on the front lawn, I can't speak to.

This means you are under his skin. He relises how stupid this comment is.

No, it just means exactly what I said... Most car dealers will make damned sure that they know who you are before they hand you the keys to a car.

Jaraxle only gets under my skin for the reason most right winger do... He's ignorant and he's proud of it.

 

[JoeB131]

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Small penis.

Do these women have small penises?

No Charges For Oklahoma Mom Sarah McKinley, Who Shot Intruder To Protect Baby

Georgia woman shoots intruder 5 times | Amarillo Globe-News

Alabama Woman Shoots Home Intruder to Protect Herself and Her Ax- and Knife-Wielding Daughters | Video | TheBlaze.com

You think these women and their children should have been victims.

You're a scumbag.

Wow, the Blaze as a source?

How about these women.. Ones whose teenagers shot themselves with guns they bought for protection...

School officials say boy who shot himself never reported bullying | ksl.com

Utah town reeling after teen commits suicide in front of students at his school - NY Daily News

North Dakota freshman makes apology, shoots self in front of class - CNN.com

 

[JoeB131]

Just because you can't hold an opinion that isn't handed to you by your masters doesn't mean no one else can.

Obama thanks you for your enthusiastic participation in the imaginary class war. Actually, he neither knows who you are nor gives a shit about you. Your job is just to throw your spear and die gloriously.

And you kiss his ass for the opportunity.

Have you ever been a man, or have you always been a pussy?

The Class War was joined for me before Obama ever got into office. When my last boss decided that after six years of hard work, he was going to let me go because a big insurance company said I ran up too many medical bills.

Taking out you gun nutters are just taking out the cannon fodder.

Frankly, the only guy I see as a pussy is one who can't get buy in life without a gun because those scary poor people are out there.