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There were more than a few calls to do so.
Very generous forbearance for the sake of fellow AMERICANS. Forbearance an ungrateful revisionist like you would surely have not deserved. Congratulations on being born far too late to worry about it. Condolences on being born far too late to do anything about it but make an ass of yourself online like this.
"Generous" my ass. that's not the reason. They knew if they had trials then the whole issue of the legality of the war would get dragged through the courts. The union thugs would lose that battle. Furthermore, that might open the issue of union war crimes. Half of the Union government deserved to be hanged on that account.
Now you're just fantasizing. Get over it. All the emoting in the world won't change a thing. If you personally are this incensed over the preservation of our beloved UNION, no one is stopping you from moving to some other country, if you can find one that would have you.
When did I say otherwise? Try reading more carefully.
I personally would love to see where it says in the constitution that government cannot stop states from seceding.
I personally would love to see some evidence that he had the slightest idea what I was talking about when I referenced the Articles of Confederation.
That might make it easier to tolerate reading your hysterical and absurdly futile attempts are re-'fighting' a war long over. The outcome is the same.
I'm sure you find the facts distressing. The blinders turds like you wear are impenetrable.
It is very clear that it is YOU who finds the actual, unalterable facts of history so distressing, Johnny Reb. It's over. The Confederacy was wrong and they lost. There is nothing you can type - no matter how hard you hit the keys - that will change that.
Somalia is chaos not Anarchy not Secession etc...your argument there is mute. No I have never said the pledge of allegiance to the US because I don't believe in it and I will not pledge loyalty to any nation that occupies my land.I am a Southern man first and foremost and the Occupied CSA is my land.LOL. All you pathetic shit for brains rightwingnut turds that want to secede, go to Somalia. No laws, lots of guns, and they would welcome whatever money you brought with you, and spend it happily after disposing of you skanky asses.
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
How many times have you assholes said this, and never meant a word of it? You are mean minded low life scum, seeking to harm our nation because you did not get your way. Traitors, the whole lot of you.
Actually no one can make a law that goes against what the constitution says. 2nd amendment says SHALL NOT INFRINGE...now if you need a dictionary to look up what infringe means I can provide one for you.The Constitution made no provisions for Secession
If it was legal, the Constitution would have laid out rules for how a state joins the union and how it leaves the union
the constitution made no provisions for gun grabbing either
Sure they did.
Congress gets to make laws and stuff.
I know it's "icky" for folks like you..but that's the way it is..
Article I Section 9 of the constitution gives Congress the right to suppress insurrections.
Seceding from the union would certainly be considered an insurrection.
Therefore, it is unconstitutional to secede from the union.
Show me 1 ship that flew the stars and bars carrying slaves,I can show you thousands that flew the stars and stripes...hence the fact the US was bringing slaves here not the CSA.You don't see him lamenting over Indians, Africans or basically anyone that had to submit to the heel of America.
But Confederates?
"Don't cry for me Argentina!"
this is coming from the same tolerant iib quoted in my signature
what fucking hypocrite
You're right.
I am intolerant of Confederate Traitors who sought to enslave human beings.
You are.
Hence the rift.
Then the confederate states shouldn't have started the civil war.
Lincoln started the war. He invaded the South.
You're just a boot-licking Lincoln worshiping moron.
Lincoln didn't invade anything.
The "South" was US territory.
"Generous" my ass. that's not the reason. They knew if they had trials then the whole issue of the legality of the war would get dragged through the courts. The union thugs would lose that battle. Furthermore, that might open the issue of union war crimes. Half of the Union government deserved to be hanged on that account.
Now you're just fantasizing. Get over it. All the emoting in the world won't change a thing. If you personally are this incensed over the preservation of our beloved UNION, no one is stopping you from moving to some other country, if you can find one that would have you.
This country still hasn't devolved to the point where I am required to leave for expressing views .
No one is stopping you from moving to a country where they allow gay marriage.
Lincoln started the war. He invaded the South.
You're just a boot-licking Lincoln worshiping moron.
Lincoln didn't invade anything.
The "South" was US territory.
If that's the case, then Lincoln committed mass murder. He ordered Federal troops to slaughter thousands of Americans. He burned their property, raped their women, slaughtered their cattle and pigs.
I personally would love to see where it says in the constitution that government cannot stop states from seceding.
I personally would love to see some evidence that he had the slightest idea what I was talking about when I referenced the Articles of Confederation.
The Articles of Confederation were the governing documents prior to the Constitution. .
I'm sure you find the facts distressing. The blinders turds like you wear are impenetrable.
It is very clear that it is YOU who finds the actual, unalterable facts of history so distressing, Johnny Reb. It's over. The Confederacy was wrong and they lost. There is nothing you can type - no matter how hard you hit the keys - that will change that.
It's amusing that you equate "they lost" with "they were wrong."
It's only considered an insurrection by boot-lickers like you. Most people living in the USA in 1860 did not consider it to be insurrection. That was purely a novel interpretation by the likes of Abraham Loncoln.
OK - so what are you trying to get at?
Do you think it should be legal for state to drop out of the union today? Is that your point?
Exactly, and the Civil War should never have happened.
So another "patriotic" right wing kook wants to disolve the union because someone he didnt like won an election. Give it a rest already chump. You lost, get over it.
So another "patriotic" right wing kook wants to disolve the union because someone he didnt like won an election. Give it a rest already chump. You lost, get over it.
Gallup told me this week that the South is the region most proud to be American. Not sure how to reconcile that with the fact that it also seems to be the region most apt to romanticize treason.
Lincoln didn't invade anything.
The "South" was US territory.
If that's the case, then Lincoln committed mass murder. He ordered Federal troops to slaughter thousands of Americans. He burned their property, raped their women, slaughtered their cattle and pigs.
Are you really that ignorant of the Constitution?
He had the power to squash insurrection.
You wanna consider that mass murder? It's war.
How does that change the fact mentioned above?
The document we call the Constitution is, in fact, a compact with a constitution. The preamble is a compact which forms a political body, the United States, when it says "we the people of the United States." It is establishes their sovereignty. As sovereign, the United States is theirs to maintain or abrogate. The power does not belong with the States. The States exist at the pleasure of the People.
The states approved the Constitution. As the creators of the pact, they are free to dissolve it whenever they wish. They idea of a contract that you can't abrogate is inimical to every concept of law we accept.
Show me treason....I bet you morons would call the founding fathers treasonous. What a bunch of scum.So another "patriotic" right wing kook wants to disolve the union because someone he didnt like won an election. Give it a rest already chump. You lost, get over it.
Gallup told me this week that the South is the region most proud to be American. Not sure how to reconcile that with the fact that it also seems to be the region most apt to romanticize treason.
Who brought the slaves here? What flag did those ships fly under? go ahead answer me...If that's the case, then Lincoln committed mass murder. He ordered Federal troops to slaughter thousands of Americans. He burned their property, raped their women, slaughtered their cattle and pigs.
Are you really that ignorant of the Constitution?
He had the power to squash insurrection.
You wanna consider that mass murder? It's war.
He left out "freed the slaves"....I guess we'll hear next that there were no slaves; just employees who didn't know how to negotiate.
This is for all you servile turds who believe the Constitution outlaws secession:
"During the weeks following the [1860] election, [Northern newspaper] editors of all parties assumed that secession as a constitutional right was not in question . . . . On the contrary, the southern claim to a right of peaceable withdrawal was countenanced out of reverence for the natural law principle of government by consent of the governed."
~ Howard Cecil Perkins, editor, Northern Editorials on Secession, p. 10
The first several generations of Americans understood that the Declaration of Independence was the ultimate states rights document. The citizens of the states would delegate certain powers to a central government in their Constitution, and these powers (mostly for national defense and foreign policy purposes) would hopefully be exercised for the benefit of the citizens of the "free and independent" states, as they are called in the Declaration.
The understanding was that if American citizens were in fact to be the masters rather than the servants of government, they themselves would have to police the national government that was created by them for their mutual benefit. If the day ever came that the national government became the sole arbiter of the limits of its own powers, then Americans would live under a tyranny as bad or worse than the one the colonists fought a revolution against. As the above quotation denotes, the ultimate natural law principle behind this thinking was Jeffersons famous dictum in the Declaration of Independence that governments derive their just powers from the consent of the governed, and that whenever that consent is withdrawn the people of the free and independent states, as sovereigns, have a duty to abolish that government and replace it with a new one if they wish.
This was the fundamental understanding of the meaning of the Declaration of Independence that it was a Declaration of Secession from the British empire of the first several generations of Americans. As the 1, 107-page book, Northern Editorials on Secession shows, this view was held just as widely in the Northern states as in the Southern states in 1860-1861. Among the lone dissenters was Abe Lincoln, a corporate lawyer/lobbyist/politician with less than a year of formal education who probably never even read The Federalist Papers.
What Americans Used To Know About the Declaration of Independence by Thomas DiLorenzo
