Bernie Sanders would likely raise taxes to pay for universal health care

[SassyIrishLass]

Ray, are you a closet Democrat?
You seem to have your hand out looking for someone to put something in it all the time.

Man up dude. You are where you are based on YOUR decisions.

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

 

[Stephanie]

do you know how sad it is when they throw up about the FREAKING roads we travel on? what the freak does that have to do with anything. we pay BOTH STATE taxes and a FEDERAL gas tax to pay for those things. are people really this dumb about how our country and governments work?

That is typical for liberal debate; go to the most extreme to try and make a point.

If you are against affirmative action, you are for bringing back slavery. If you are against unions, you are for 11 year olds working in hot factories 14 hours a day. If you are against gay marriage, you must also be against interracial marriage and so on.

There is little you can do about it. It's how the liberal mind is trained to work.

yes, the left is famous for that. so embarrassing them about it is all we can do really. that's what my post was about. lol

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Will the increase in your taxes be more than your insurance premiums?

Yes....Number one issue. The money we pay for insurance premiums is deducted before taxes. In other words, employer provided insurance coverage is essentially income that is not taxed.
It is highly unlikely employers will at the onset of a single payer system begin paying their employees the equivalent of the expense absorbed by the company's share of the premium. Therefore every worker would lose that pay. In effect, that is a tax. Second, every person would see their taxes increased. And the source of single payer funding will have to be more regressive than progressive in nature. for example, it is not likely the lowest earners will see much of an increase in their income or payroll taxes. However, there will be new taxes and fees unrelated to income such as fuel taxes, a national sales tax, taxes on alcohol, firearms, pharma companies( passed along to consumers) health and exercise equipment, obesity and behavior.
Our freedoms will be greatly eroded as government seeks to control costs be regulating behavior in a manner that would cause the Framers to roll over in their graves.

As a victim of Commie Care, let me explain how it works when you lose your employers plan:

First of all there is no way for an employer to transfer funds to an employee for an individual plan. The only way to do that is with a pay increase. Along with a pay increase comes all the other increases that most don't realize. The employer has to match the larger medicare contribution by the employee, the larger SS contribution by the employee, workman's compensation insurance increases along with unemployment insurance. In my case, my employer contributes a generous amount to our retirement plan which of course increases.

My employer was paying $425.00 a month for my coverage. After he deducted all the additional expenses it took to give me that pay increase, I ended up with about $200.00. Then (as you stated) that additional $200.00 is taxed as payroll.

In short, that money my employer used to use to provide us coverage was eaten up in taxation because Commie Care didn't provide for a dollar to dollar transfer of that money to an individual plan.

To add insult to injury, when I went to my tax preparer, I found out that Commie Care got rid of my medical expense deduction. You now need a minimum of $10,000 of medical expenses before you can deduct anything.

Ray
Do you EVER quit whining and take responsibility for yourself and your situation? If it aint the government its your employer if it aint your employer its the poor people.
Find a better job. thats the mantra of your kind. Your employer dont OWE you jack shit. Right? Including HC. You should be GLAD that you still have access to HC. Because your employer dont OWE you jack shit. Right.

Damn that ACA.

Both my under 25 student children having medical coverage.

My 30 year old has medical insurance and also has a medical condition that would have kept her from being insured
prior to the ACA.

My wifes company is our heath insurance provider and the rate of increase in premium costs has slowed.

Well care fully covered. etc etc.

Yea the ACA is the pits I tell you.

If not for Commie Care I would have insurance today by my employer. But because of Commie Care, my employer dropped our coverage. That's not my fault, that's the fault of all the Commies that voted for this jerk.

What if we get a GOP President and he makes law that everybody has to buy a brand new SUV? Would you approve of that? Granted, a new SUV is cheaper than health insurance, but it's something that's not affordable for many people.

When you elect Commies and they inflict a huge expense on people, and then people can't afford that huge expense, you blame the people instead of your inability to choose a real American to lead the country. Yeah, I know, I know, it's never the Democrats fault.

Your employer DOES NOT OWE you ANYTHING. And that includes HC. the employer does not owe you a living wage, Health care or anything else. Your employer exists to make themselves well off. Not you. I learned all that from the right wingers on here. So why you bitching that your employer dropped health care coverage?

Did your employers bottom line improve when he dumped his employees off the company health care plan? Good for him eh?

Where does your employer get his HC? the ACA?

I have three friends who didnt make the greatest choices in life concerning employment. Kinda like you I think.

they had no, none, health insurance for many many years. And their health suffered BECAUSE they couldnt afford care.

Now they can. NOw they do and now they are living in better health

Why the fuck would I complain about my friends and my family having health care?

I dont.

Is it perfect? Fuck no. Single payer was the way to go.

But its better than nothing.

Btw, where is that Repub alternative? Been years waiting for that bit of good news. LMAO.

You Socialists with your apples to oranges comparisons.

I did make sure my employer had healthcare coverage when I took the job. Had he not offered it 22 years ago, I would have never taken the job. You see, that's what responsible people do; make sure they get coverage through their employer.

That responsibility paid off because until Commie Care, I had coverage. In fact until Commie Care, I had coverage my entire life.

But now at the age of 55, I'm supposed to change my entire life around because you elected Commies to our government. I'm supposed to quit my job, find another one at this age with preexisting conditions that has a health plan. Well that's great, but guess what? Other employers are dropping their coverage too, so all I would be doing is starting a new job at the bottom and quite possibly end up in the exact same position I'm in today. And trust me, I know several people who are in the same boat as I am.

When are you Socialists going to take responsibility for your irresponsible actions of the people you elect?

 

[Stephanie]

Ray, are you a closet Democrat?
You seem to have your hand out looking for someone to put something in it all the time.

Man up dude. You are where you are based on YOUR decisions.

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

I'd call it more like Projecting himself on others

 

[Wilbur Right]

Ray, are you a closet Democrat?
You seem to have your hand out looking for someone to put something in it all the time.

Man up dude. You are where you are based on YOUR decisions.

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

People like you and Ray that failed yourselves in life (which I am reasonably sure you have) are always looking for two things.

Someone to blame for your failure.

And somone to GIVE you something BECAUSE you are a failure.

Pitiful.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Ray, are you a closet Democrat?
You seem to have your hand out looking for someone to put something in it all the time.

Man up dude. You are where you are based on YOUR decisions.

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

People like you and Ray that failed yourselves in life (which I am reasonably sure you have) are always looking for two things.

Someone to blame for your failure.

And somone to GIVE you something BECAUSE you are a failure.

Pitiful.

Dude, I could buy your broke joke ass but I have no use for a loudmouth leftist loon. GFY

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ray, are you a closet Democrat?
You seem to have your hand out looking for someone to put something in it all the time.

Man up dude. You are where you are based on YOUR decisions.

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

People like you and Ray that failed yourselves in life (which I am reasonably sure you have) are always looking for two things.

Someone to blame for your failure.

And somone to GIVE you something BECAUSE you are a failure.

Pitiful.

What you do to not be a failure is elect people that will keep government out of your life. Government is what makes productive people failure, because the liberal mantra is to reward failure and penalize success. That's why hard working people don't have health insurance today but the guy making french fries at McDonald's the last five years does have coverage.

 

[Wilbur Right]

When are you Socialists going to take responsibility for your irresponsible actions of the people you elect?

When are you whiners going to understand that YOUR employer dont owe you jack shit?

Shortage of drivers you always claim. Find another fucking job with health care provided by the employer.

If those trucking companies no longer exist, find another line of work.

this is the advice your kind always give to the low wage worker.

Follow it yourself.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Ray, are you a closet Democrat?
You seem to have your hand out looking for someone to put something in it all the time.

Man up dude. You are where you are based on YOUR decisions.

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

People like you and Ray that failed yourselves in life (which I am reasonably sure you have) are always looking for two things.

Someone to blame for your failure.

And somone to GIVE you something BECAUSE you are a failure.

Pitiful.

What you do to not be a failure is elect people that will keep government out of your life. Government is what makes productive people failure, because the liberal mantra is to reward failure and penalize success. That's why hard working people don't have health insurance today but the guy making french fries at McDonald's the last five years does have coverage.

He's just projecting his own misery on others. Read his comments, he's a batchit nuts leftist loon

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Ray, are you a closet Democrat?
You seem to have your hand out looking for someone to put something in it all the time.

Man up dude. You are where you are based on YOUR decisions.

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

People like you and Ray that failed yourselves in life (which I am reasonably sure you have) are always looking for two things.

Someone to blame for your failure.

And somone to GIVE you something BECAUSE you are a failure.

Pitiful.

What you do to not be a failure is elect people that will keep government out of your life. Government is what makes productive people failure, because the liberal mantra is to reward failure and penalize success. That's why hard working people don't have health insurance today but the guy making french fries at McDonald's the last five years does have coverage.

He's just projecting his own misery on others. Read his comments, he's a batchit nuts leftist loon

Oh, I've read his comments. They are just like all the other liberals here: they are all financial successes and living on easy street thanks to government.

 

[Wilbur Right]

Ray, are you a closet Democrat?
You seem to have your hand out looking for someone to put something in it all the time.

Man up dude. You are where you are based on YOUR decisions.

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

People like you and Ray that failed yourselves in life (which I am reasonably sure you have) are always looking for two things.

Someone to blame for your failure.

And somone to GIVE you something BECAUSE you are a failure.

Pitiful.

Dude, I could buy your broke joke ass but I have no use for a loudmouth leftist loon. GFY

Sure you could. You be rich and successful. Famous too. A ledgend in your own mind. LMAO.

 

[Stephanie]

Ray, are you a closet Democrat?
You seem to have your hand out looking for someone to put something in it all the time.

Man up dude. You are where you are based on YOUR decisions.

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

People like you and Ray that failed yourselves in life (which I am reasonably sure you have) are always looking for two things.

Someone to blame for your failure.

And somone to GIVE you something BECAUSE you are a failure.

Pitiful.

Dude, I could buy your broke joke ass but I have no use for a loudmouth leftist loon. GFY

remember how the liberals crow they are most Tolerant of all people in the whole world. ok, now I go

 

[Wilbur Right]

Ray, are you a closet Democrat?
You seem to have your hand out looking for someone to put something in it all the time.

Man up dude. You are where you are based on YOUR decisions.

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

People like you and Ray that failed yourselves in life (which I am reasonably sure you have) are always looking for two things.

Someone to blame for your failure.

And somone to GIVE you something BECAUSE you are a failure.

Pitiful.

What you do to not be a failure is elect people that will keep government out of your life. Government is what makes productive people failure, because the liberal mantra is to reward failure and penalize success. That's why hard working people don't have health insurance today but the guy making french fries at McDonald's the last five years does have coverage.

He's just projecting his own misery on others. Read his comments, he's a batchit nuts leftist loon

Oh, I've read his comments. They are just like all the other liberals here: they are all financial successes and living on easy street thanks to government.

Must burn your ass to know that the Dems on here are mostly successful and you and sassy are complete failures.

Even your ability to argue your POV sucks.

With you being a failure, you should listen to those that have had success and try and find out how they did it.

Instead all you got is blame and whining.

 

[Stephanie]

Ray, are you a closet Democrat?
You seem to have your hand out looking for someone to put something in it all the time.

Man up dude. You are where you are based on YOUR decisions.

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

People like you and Ray that failed yourselves in life (which I am reasonably sure you have) are always looking for two things.

Someone to blame for your failure.

And somone to GIVE you something BECAUSE you are a failure.

Pitiful.

What you do to not be a failure is elect people that will keep government out of your life. Government is what makes productive people failure, because the liberal mantra is to reward failure and penalize success. That's why hard working people don't have health insurance today but the guy making french fries at McDonald's the last five years does have coverage.

He's just projecting his own misery on others. Read his comments, he's a batchit nuts leftist loon

Oh, I've read his comments. They are just like all the other liberals here: they are all financial successes and living on easy street thanks to government.

that's why I asked if they were going to say, thank you. I think it went over their head

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

When are you Socialists going to take responsibility for your irresponsible actions of the people you elect?

When are you whiners going to understand that YOUR employer dont owe you jack shit?

Shortage of drivers you always claim. Find another fucking job with health care provided by the employer.

If those trucking companies no longer exist, find another line of work.

this is the advice your kind always give to the low wage worker.

Follow it yourself.

I just explained my situation to you, but your mental retardation precludes you from understanding. Because USMB doesn't have crayons for me to draw pictures, let's try this one point at a time:

1) If not for government, me and millions of others would still have our coverage today.

2) The older you get, the harder it is to find a good job.

3) When you have a government that puts people in a terrible situation, it's not their fault, it's the governments fault and the clowns that elected such leaders.

4) When this was a free country, Americans never had to choose between keeping their current job and finding another one because of government actions against them. They chose to find another job on their own if they wanted.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

People like you and Ray that failed yourselves in life (which I am reasonably sure you have) are always looking for two things.

Someone to blame for your failure.

And somone to GIVE you something BECAUSE you are a failure.

Pitiful.

What you do to not be a failure is elect people that will keep government out of your life. Government is what makes productive people failure, because the liberal mantra is to reward failure and penalize success. That's why hard working people don't have health insurance today but the guy making french fries at McDonald's the last five years does have coverage.

He's just projecting his own misery on others. Read his comments, he's a batchit nuts leftist loon

Oh, I've read his comments. They are just like all the other liberals here: they are all financial successes and living on easy street thanks to government.

Must burn your ass to know that the Dems on here are mostly successful and you and sassy are complete failures.

Even your ability to argue your POV sucks.

With you being a failure, you should listen to those that have had success and try and find out how they did it.

Instead all you got is blame and whining.

Our children's tuition is more than you make a year

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

^^^ Dumbest post of the morning

People like you and Ray that failed yourselves in life (which I am reasonably sure you have) are always looking for two things.

Someone to blame for your failure.

And somone to GIVE you something BECAUSE you are a failure.

Pitiful.

What you do to not be a failure is elect people that will keep government out of your life. Government is what makes productive people failure, because the liberal mantra is to reward failure and penalize success. That's why hard working people don't have health insurance today but the guy making french fries at McDonald's the last five years does have coverage.

He's just projecting his own misery on others. Read his comments, he's a batchit nuts leftist loon

Oh, I've read his comments. They are just like all the other liberals here: they are all financial successes and living on easy street thanks to government.

Must burn your ass to know that the Dems on here are mostly successful and you and sassy are complete failures.

Even your ability to argue your POV sucks.

With you being a failure, you should listen to those that have had success and try and find out how they did it.

Instead all you got is blame and whining.

Yeah, liberals are doing so good in life which is why they support a party that wants to take more away from them.

If there is only one thing that anybody can learn from politics, it's that Democrats are born liars. It's just in your blood and there is little you can do about it.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

People like you and Ray that failed yourselves in life (which I am reasonably sure you have) are always looking for two things.

Someone to blame for your failure.

And somone to GIVE you something BECAUSE you are a failure.

Pitiful.

What you do to not be a failure is elect people that will keep government out of your life. Government is what makes productive people failure, because the liberal mantra is to reward failure and penalize success. That's why hard working people don't have health insurance today but the guy making french fries at McDonald's the last five years does have coverage.

He's just projecting his own misery on others. Read his comments, he's a batchit nuts leftist loon

Oh, I've read his comments. They are just like all the other liberals here: they are all financial successes and living on easy street thanks to government.

Must burn your ass to know that the Dems on here are mostly successful and you and sassy are complete failures.

Even your ability to argue your POV sucks.

With you being a failure, you should listen to those that have had success and try and find out how they did it.

Instead all you got is blame and whining.

Yeah, liberals are doing so good in life which is why they support a party that wants to take more away from them.

If there is only one thing that anybody can learn from politics, it's that Democrats are born liars. It's just in your blood and there is little you can do about it.

That and they are envious of people who actually have succeeded.

 

[Campbell]

Will the increase in your taxes be more than your insurance premiums?

Yes....Number one issue. The money we pay for insurance premiums is deducted before taxes. In other words, employer provided insurance coverage is essentially income that is not taxed.
It is highly unlikely employers will at the onset of a single payer system begin paying their employees the equivalent of the expense absorbed by the company's share of the premium. Therefore every worker would lose that pay. In effect, that is a tax. Second, every person would see their taxes increased. And the source of single payer funding will have to be more regressive than progressive in nature. for example, it is not likely the lowest earners will see much of an increase in their income or payroll taxes. However, there will be new taxes and fees unrelated to income such as fuel taxes, a national sales tax, taxes on alcohol, firearms, pharma companies( passed along to consumers) health and exercise equipment, obesity and behavior.
Our freedoms will be greatly eroded as government seeks to control costs be regulating behavior in a manner that would cause the Framers to roll over in their graves.

As a victim of Commie Care, let me explain how it works when you lose your employers plan:

First of all there is no way for an employer to transfer funds to an employee for an individual plan. The only way to do that is with a pay increase. Along with a pay increase comes all the other increases that most don't realize. The employer has to match the larger medicare contribution by the employee, the larger SS contribution by the employee, workman's compensation insurance increases along with unemployment insurance. In my case, my employer contributes a generous amount to our retirement plan which of course increases.

My employer was paying $425.00 a month for my coverage. After he deducted all the additional expenses it took to give me that pay increase, I ended up with about $200.00. Then (as you stated) that additional $200.00 is taxed as payroll.

In short, that money my employer used to use to provide us coverage was eaten up in taxation because Commie Care didn't provide for a dollar to dollar transfer of that money to an individual plan.

To add insult to injury, when I went to my tax preparer, I found out that Commie Care got rid of my medical expense deduction. You now need a minimum of $10,000 of medical expenses before you can deduct anything.

Ray
Do you EVER quit whining and take responsibility for yourself and your situation? If it aint the government its your employer if it aint your employer its the poor people.
Find a better job. thats the mantra of your kind. Your employer dont OWE you jack shit. Right? Including HC. You should be GLAD that you still have access to HC. Because your employer dont OWE you jack shit. Right.

Damn that ACA.

Both my under 25 student children having medical coverage.

My 30 year old has medical insurance and also has a medical condition that would have kept her from being insured
prior to the ACA.

My wifes company is our heath insurance provider and the rate of increase in premium costs has slowed.

Well care fully covered. etc etc.

Yea the ACA is the pits I tell you.

If not for Commie Care I would have insurance today by my employer. But because of Commie Care, my employer dropped our coverage. That's not my fault, that's the fault of all the Commies that voted for this jerk.

What if we get a GOP President and he makes law that everybody has to buy a brand new SUV? Would you approve of that? Granted, a new SUV is cheaper than health insurance, but it's something that's not affordable for many people.

When you elect Commies and they inflict a huge expense on people, and then people can't afford that huge expense, you blame the people instead of your inability to choose a real American to lead the country. Yeah, I know, I know, it's never the Democrats fault.

Your employer DOES NOT OWE you ANYTHING. And that includes HC. the employer does not owe you a living wage, Health care or anything else. Your employer exists to make themselves well off. Not you. I learned all that from the right wingers on here. So why you bitching that your employer dropped health care coverage?

Did your employers bottom line improve when he dumped his employees off the company health care plan? Good for him eh?

Where does your employer get his HC? the ACA?

I have three friends who didnt make the greatest choices in life concerning employment. Kinda like you I think.

they had no, none, health insurance for many many years. And their health suffered BECAUSE they couldnt afford care.

Now they can. NOw they do and now they are living in better health

Why the fuck would I complain about my friends and my family having health care?

I dont.

Is it perfect? Fuck no. Single payer was the way to go.

But its better than nothing.

Btw, where is that Repub alternative? Been years waiting for that bit of good news. LMAO.

You'd better be ready to wait centuries. Hell will freeze over before a Republican wants anything from government except big military, tax cuts for the wealthy and subsidies for corporations. I was a Republican for thirty years before Reagan. He slashed tax rates for the wealthy and quadrupled the national debt. What a goddamned genius! I will never vote for another Republican on a national level if I live to 100.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Of course he will raise taxes. He talks about the top earners in the country paying more taxes now to lure the suckers into voting for him . If buy some miracle he wins his parties nomination and then lightning strikes twice, he wins the WH he will have to raise taxes on everyone else. Free stuff doesn't come cheap.