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Bernie is beating Trump in the polls.
CNN ^ | January 16, 2016 | Tami Luhby
Bernie Sanders likely wants to raise everyone's taxes to pay for universal health care, but promises it will be worth it. The Democratic presidential contender has long promoted a single payer health care system, which would eliminate the private insurance market in favor of a government-run program. He calls it 'Medicare for All. Sanders' plan for health insurance is now in the spotlight, with rival Hillary Clinton demanding that he reveal how he'd pay for it. Her campaign contends it would require raising taxes on the middle class by 9%. Sanders has waffled on whether he'd unveil details before the...
Your taxes would replace your insurance premiums.
Are the same people bitching about rising premiums and high deductibles now bitching about the possibility of eliminating them?
Yes....Number one issue. The money we pay for insurance premiums is deducted before taxes. In other words, employer provided insurance coverage is essentially income that is not taxed.No, they wouldn't!
Any why not? You would no longer be paying thousands of dollars annually for private insurance. Paying for profit margins would be history. True, you'd be paying for government bureaucracy, but right now you are paying for the health care insurance bureaucracy which is well known to be huge and overlapping.
You're an old fucker Vag, So I would guess you're on Medicare and maybe you added a private insurance supplemental plan and what you are paying for that is probably around a third of what you'd end up paying if there was no Medicare and you had to deal with private insurance.
Well, I'm like Hillary on this one. Why won't Bernie explain exactly how he's going to pay for it? The reason is, and Hillary knows it, is that the computations have already been don on Bernie's plan and it will raise taxes on everyone that currently pay taxes.
Will the increase in your taxes be more than your insurance premiums?
It is highly unlikely employers will at the onset of a single payer system begin paying their employees the equivalent of the expense absorbed by the company's share of the premium. Therefore every worker would lose that pay. In effect, that is a tax. Second, every person would see their taxes increased. And the source of single payer funding will have to be more regressive than progressive in nature. for example, it is not likely the lowest earners will see much of an increase in their income or payroll taxes. However, there will be new taxes and fees unrelated to income such as fuel taxes, a national sales tax, taxes on alcohol, firearms, pharma companies( passed along to consumers) health and exercise equipment, obesity and behavior.
Our freedoms will be greatly eroded as government seeks to control costs be regulating behavior in a manner that would cause the Framers to roll over in their graves.
As a victim of Commie Care, let me explain how it works when you lose your employers plan:
First of all there is no way for an employer to transfer funds to an employee for an individual plan. The only way to do that is with a pay increase. Along with a pay increase comes all the other increases that most don't realize. The employer has to match the larger medicare contribution by the employee, the larger SS contribution by the employee, workman's compensation insurance increases along with unemployment insurance. In my case, my employer contributes a generous amount to our retirement plan which of course increases.
My employer was paying $425.00 a month for my coverage. After he deducted all the additional expenses it took to give me that pay increase, I ended up with about $200.00. Then (as you stated) that additional $200.00 is taxed as payroll.
In short, that money my employer used to use to provide us coverage was eaten up in taxation because Commie Care didn't provide for a dollar to dollar transfer of that money to an individual plan.
To add insult to injury, when I went to my tax preparer, I found out that Commie Care got rid of my medical expense deduction. You now need a minimum of $10,000 of medical expenses before you can deduct anything.
Yes....Number one issue. The money we pay for insurance premiums is deducted before taxes. In other words, employer provided insurance coverage is essentially income that is not taxed.Any why not? You would no longer be paying thousands of dollars annually for private insurance. Paying for profit margins would be history. True, you'd be paying for government bureaucracy, but right now you are paying for the health care insurance bureaucracy which is well known to be huge and overlapping.
You're an old fucker Vag, So I would guess you're on Medicare and maybe you added a private insurance supplemental plan and what you are paying for that is probably around a third of what you'd end up paying if there was no Medicare and you had to deal with private insurance.
Well, I'm like Hillary on this one. Why won't Bernie explain exactly how he's going to pay for it? The reason is, and Hillary knows it, is that the computations have already been don on Bernie's plan and it will raise taxes on everyone that currently pay taxes.
Will the increase in your taxes be more than your insurance premiums?
It is highly unlikely employers will at the onset of a single payer system begin paying their employees the equivalent of the expense absorbed by the company's share of the premium. Therefore every worker would lose that pay. In effect, that is a tax. Second, every person would see their taxes increased. And the source of single payer funding will have to be more regressive than progressive in nature. for example, it is not likely the lowest earners will see much of an increase in their income or payroll taxes. However, there will be new taxes and fees unrelated to income such as fuel taxes, a national sales tax, taxes on alcohol, firearms, pharma companies( passed along to consumers) health and exercise equipment, obesity and behavior.
Our freedoms will be greatly eroded as government seeks to control costs be regulating behavior in a manner that would cause the Framers to roll over in their graves.
As a victim of Commie Care, let me explain how it works when you lose your employers plan:
First of all there is no way for an employer to transfer funds to an employee for an individual plan. The only way to do that is with a pay increase. Along with a pay increase comes all the other increases that most don't realize. The employer has to match the larger medicare contribution by the employee, the larger SS contribution by the employee, workman's compensation insurance increases along with unemployment insurance. In my case, my employer contributes a generous amount to our retirement plan which of course increases.
My employer was paying $425.00 a month for my coverage. After he deducted all the additional expenses it took to give me that pay increase, I ended up with about $200.00. Then (as you stated) that additional $200.00 is taxed as payroll.
In short, that money my employer used to use to provide us coverage was eaten up in taxation because Commie Care didn't provide for a dollar to dollar transfer of that money to an individual plan.
To add insult to injury, when I went to my tax preparer, I found out that Commie Care got rid of my medical expense deduction. You now need a minimum of $10,000 of medical expenses before you can deduct anything.
Ray
Do you EVER quit whining and take responsibility for yourself and your situation? If it aint the government its your employer if it aint your employer its the poor people.
Find a better job. thats the mantra of your kind. Your employer dont OWE you jack shit. Right? Including HC. You should be GLAD that you still have access to HC. Because your employer dont OWE you jack shit. Right.
Damn that ACA.
Both my under 25 student children having medical coverage.
My 30 year old has medical insurance and also has a medical condition that would have kept her from being insured
prior to the ACA.
My wifes company is our heath insurance provider and the rate of increase in premium costs has slowed.
Well care fully covered. etc etc.
Yea the ACA is the pits I tell you.
well, Obama did. what the hell does the people think is going to pay for it? 65 BILLION on the UNINSURED. GUESS who that is? YOUR CHILDREN just getting started in life
suck you in until you're nothing more than a slave for the state
sat goodbye to Freedom
well, Obama did. what the hell does the people think is going to pay for it? 65 BILLION on the UNINSURED. GUESS who that is? YOUR CHILDREN just getting started in life
suck you in until you're nothing more than a slave for the state
sat goodbye to Freedom
Just curious.....have you ever discussed your views with the millions of people who can't afford health care? I'll bet you ten to one they voted for Obama.......every phuckin chance they got.
Now the greedy bastards who are raking in billions from people's illness would like to leave things the way they are.
The United States of America is the only industrialized nation in the world that does not provide total health care for all it's citizens. The Big Boys have to keep the business assholes who speculate on the welfare of American citizens at the top of their agenda. What a goddam country this has turned into. I think every able bodied youngster should try to find something to do besides fight and die in unnecessary Republican wars. That would be Step One!!
Richard Nixon knew exactly what he was doing when he ended the draft. Rich folks start wars but their kids don't fight in them.....they go to fancy ivy league schools.
well, Obama did. what the hell does the people think is going to pay for it? 65 BILLION on the UNINSURED. GUESS who that is? YOUR CHILDREN just getting started in life
suck you in until you're nothing more than a slave for the state
sat goodbye to Freedom
Just curious.....have you ever discussed your views with the millions of people who can't afford health care? I'll bet you ten to one they voted for Obama.......every phuckin chance they got.
Now the greedy bastards who are raking in billions from people's illness would like to leave things the way they are.
The United States of America is the only industrialized nation in the world that does not provide total health care for all it's citizens. The Big Boys have to keep the business assholes who speculate on the welfare of American citizens at the top of their agenda. What a goddam country this has turned into. I think every able bodied youngster should try to find something to do besides fight and die in unnecessary Republican wars. That would be Step One!!
Richard Nixon knew exactly what he was doing when he ended the draft. Rich folks start wars but their kids don't fight in them.....they go to fancy ivy league schools.
Correct, they did vote for DumBama, but they (like most Americans) didn't realize they were being lied to. Had they known from the beginning what a scam Commie Care was and what lies Ears told about it, he would have easily lost his bid for second term. Don't believe me, just look at his approval numbers today.
Yes....Number one issue. The money we pay for insurance premiums is deducted before taxes. In other words, employer provided insurance coverage is essentially income that is not taxed.Any why not? You would no longer be paying thousands of dollars annually for private insurance. Paying for profit margins would be history. True, you'd be paying for government bureaucracy, but right now you are paying for the health care insurance bureaucracy which is well known to be huge and overlapping.
You're an old fucker Vag, So I would guess you're on Medicare and maybe you added a private insurance supplemental plan and what you are paying for that is probably around a third of what you'd end up paying if there was no Medicare and you had to deal with private insurance.
Well, I'm like Hillary on this one. Why won't Bernie explain exactly how he's going to pay for it? The reason is, and Hillary knows it, is that the computations have already been don on Bernie's plan and it will raise taxes on everyone that currently pay taxes.
Will the increase in your taxes be more than your insurance premiums?
It is highly unlikely employers will at the onset of a single payer system begin paying their employees the equivalent of the expense absorbed by the company's share of the premium. Therefore every worker would lose that pay. In effect, that is a tax. Second, every person would see their taxes increased. And the source of single payer funding will have to be more regressive than progressive in nature. for example, it is not likely the lowest earners will see much of an increase in their income or payroll taxes. However, there will be new taxes and fees unrelated to income such as fuel taxes, a national sales tax, taxes on alcohol, firearms, pharma companies( passed along to consumers) health and exercise equipment, obesity and behavior.
Our freedoms will be greatly eroded as government seeks to control costs be regulating behavior in a manner that would cause the Framers to roll over in their graves.
As a victim of Commie Care, let me explain how it works when you lose your employers plan:
First of all there is no way for an employer to transfer funds to an employee for an individual plan. The only way to do that is with a pay increase. Along with a pay increase comes all the other increases that most don't realize. The employer has to match the larger medicare contribution by the employee, the larger SS contribution by the employee, workman's compensation insurance increases along with unemployment insurance. In my case, my employer contributes a generous amount to our retirement plan which of course increases.
My employer was paying $425.00 a month for my coverage. After he deducted all the additional expenses it took to give me that pay increase, I ended up with about $200.00. Then (as you stated) that additional $200.00 is taxed as payroll.
In short, that money my employer used to use to provide us coverage was eaten up in taxation because Commie Care didn't provide for a dollar to dollar transfer of that money to an individual plan.
To add insult to injury, when I went to my tax preparer, I found out that Commie Care got rid of my medical expense deduction. You now need a minimum of $10,000 of medical expenses before you can deduct anything.
Ray
Do you EVER quit whining and take responsibility for yourself and your situation? If it aint the government its your employer if it aint your employer its the poor people.
Find a better job. thats the mantra of your kind. Your employer dont OWE you jack shit. Right? Including HC. You should be GLAD that you still have access to HC. Because your employer dont OWE you jack shit. Right.
Damn that ACA.
Both my under 25 student children having medical coverage.
My 30 year old has medical insurance and also has a medical condition that would have kept her from being insured
prior to the ACA.
My wifes company is our heath insurance provider and the rate of increase in premium costs has slowed.
Well care fully covered. etc etc.
Yea the ACA is the pits I tell you.
well, Obama did. what the hell does the people think is going to pay for it? 65 BILLION on the UNINSURED. GUESS who that is? YOUR CHILDREN just getting started in life
suck you in until you're nothing more than a slave for the state
sat goodbye to Freedom
Just curious.....have you ever discussed your views with the millions of people who can't afford health care? I'll bet you ten to one they voted for Obama.......every phuckin chance they got.
Now the greedy bastards who are raking in billions from people's illness would like to leave things the way they are.
The United States of America is the only industrialized nation in the world that does not provide total health care for all it's citizens. The Big Boys have to keep the business assholes who speculate on the welfare of American citizens at the top of their agenda. What a goddam country this has turned into. I think every able bodied youngster should try to find something to do besides fight and die in unnecessary Republican wars. That would be Step One!!
Richard Nixon knew exactly what he was doing when he ended the draft. Rich folks start wars but their kids don't fight in them.....they go to fancy ivy league schools.
Correct, they did vote for DumBama, but they (like most Americans) didn't realize they were being lied to. Had they known from the beginning what a scam Commie Care was and what lies Ears told about it, he would have easily lost his bid for second term. Don't believe me, just look at his approval numbers today.
Frankly.....your right wing hanging has made you stupid. Why don't you look at the picture from ordinary American views instead of just from your totally right wing bias?
You people never have questioned the $600 billion a year spent on tanks and aircraft carriers and the last time anybody surrendered to us was August, 1945. Why the hell do you want to prevent every American from getting some modicum of attention and care when they're sick?
"would LIKELY" raise taxes???
Oh, that's rich.
He'd take it all and give us a stipend to live on. If we're lucky.
Folks reinvested into their businesses rather than sending money offshore like they're doing now.Back to 90% on the rich. Just like it was under the REPUBLICAN Eisenhower.
Except for one, nobody ever paid that 90% and two, there were few places to move your business.
Today, travel is much safer and a person can run their business from their cell phone sitting on the toilet. Tax them too much or too many union demands, they leave the state or country.
If our federal tax rate were 0%, the federal government would collect 0 dollars. If our federal tax rate were 100%, our federal government would still collect 0 dollars because who would be stupid enough to create wealth?
Yes....Number one issue. The money we pay for insurance premiums is deducted before taxes. In other words, employer provided insurance coverage is essentially income that is not taxed.Well, I'm like Hillary on this one. Why won't Bernie explain exactly how he's going to pay for it? The reason is, and Hillary knows it, is that the computations have already been don on Bernie's plan and it will raise taxes on everyone that currently pay taxes.
Will the increase in your taxes be more than your insurance premiums?
It is highly unlikely employers will at the onset of a single payer system begin paying their employees the equivalent of the expense absorbed by the company's share of the premium. Therefore every worker would lose that pay. In effect, that is a tax. Second, every person would see their taxes increased. And the source of single payer funding will have to be more regressive than progressive in nature. for example, it is not likely the lowest earners will see much of an increase in their income or payroll taxes. However, there will be new taxes and fees unrelated to income such as fuel taxes, a national sales tax, taxes on alcohol, firearms, pharma companies( passed along to consumers) health and exercise equipment, obesity and behavior.
Our freedoms will be greatly eroded as government seeks to control costs be regulating behavior in a manner that would cause the Framers to roll over in their graves.
As a victim of Commie Care, let me explain how it works when you lose your employers plan:
First of all there is no way for an employer to transfer funds to an employee for an individual plan. The only way to do that is with a pay increase. Along with a pay increase comes all the other increases that most don't realize. The employer has to match the larger medicare contribution by the employee, the larger SS contribution by the employee, workman's compensation insurance increases along with unemployment insurance. In my case, my employer contributes a generous amount to our retirement plan which of course increases.
My employer was paying $425.00 a month for my coverage. After he deducted all the additional expenses it took to give me that pay increase, I ended up with about $200.00. Then (as you stated) that additional $200.00 is taxed as payroll.
In short, that money my employer used to use to provide us coverage was eaten up in taxation because Commie Care didn't provide for a dollar to dollar transfer of that money to an individual plan.
To add insult to injury, when I went to my tax preparer, I found out that Commie Care got rid of my medical expense deduction. You now need a minimum of $10,000 of medical expenses before you can deduct anything.
Ray
Do you EVER quit whining and take responsibility for yourself and your situation? If it aint the government its your employer if it aint your employer its the poor people.
Find a better job. thats the mantra of your kind. Your employer dont OWE you jack shit. Right? Including HC. You should be GLAD that you still have access to HC. Because your employer dont OWE you jack shit. Right.
Damn that ACA.
Both my under 25 student children having medical coverage.
My 30 year old has medical insurance and also has a medical condition that would have kept her from being insured
prior to the ACA.
My wifes company is our heath insurance provider and the rate of increase in premium costs has slowed.
Well care fully covered. etc etc.
Yea the ACA is the pits I tell you.
If not for Commie Care I would have insurance today by my employer. But because of Commie Care, my employer dropped our coverage. That's not my fault, that's the fault of all the Commies that voted for this jerk.
What if we get a GOP President and he makes law that everybody has to buy a brand new SUV? Would you approve of that? Granted, a new SUV is cheaper than health insurance, but it's something that's not affordable for many people.
When you elect Commies and they inflict a huge expense on people, and then people can't afford that huge expense, you blame the people instead of your inability to choose a real American to lead the country. Yeah, I know, I know, it's never the Democrats fault.
Bernie and the left...still clinging to government healthcare even after the disaster of Obamacare is revealed. You cannot fix stupid
Yes....Number one issue. The money we pay for insurance premiums is deducted before taxes. In other words, employer provided insurance coverage is essentially income that is not taxed.Well, I'm like Hillary on this one. Why won't Bernie explain exactly how he's going to pay for it? The reason is, and Hillary knows it, is that the computations have already been don on Bernie's plan and it will raise taxes on everyone that currently pay taxes.
Will the increase in your taxes be more than your insurance premiums?
It is highly unlikely employers will at the onset of a single payer system begin paying their employees the equivalent of the expense absorbed by the company's share of the premium. Therefore every worker would lose that pay. In effect, that is a tax. Second, every person would see their taxes increased. And the source of single payer funding will have to be more regressive than progressive in nature. for example, it is not likely the lowest earners will see much of an increase in their income or payroll taxes. However, there will be new taxes and fees unrelated to income such as fuel taxes, a national sales tax, taxes on alcohol, firearms, pharma companies( passed along to consumers) health and exercise equipment, obesity and behavior.
Our freedoms will be greatly eroded as government seeks to control costs be regulating behavior in a manner that would cause the Framers to roll over in their graves.
As a victim of Commie Care, let me explain how it works when you lose your employers plan:
First of all there is no way for an employer to transfer funds to an employee for an individual plan. The only way to do that is with a pay increase. Along with a pay increase comes all the other increases that most don't realize. The employer has to match the larger medicare contribution by the employee, the larger SS contribution by the employee, workman's compensation insurance increases along with unemployment insurance. In my case, my employer contributes a generous amount to our retirement plan which of course increases.
My employer was paying $425.00 a month for my coverage. After he deducted all the additional expenses it took to give me that pay increase, I ended up with about $200.00. Then (as you stated) that additional $200.00 is taxed as payroll.
In short, that money my employer used to use to provide us coverage was eaten up in taxation because Commie Care didn't provide for a dollar to dollar transfer of that money to an individual plan.
To add insult to injury, when I went to my tax preparer, I found out that Commie Care got rid of my medical expense deduction. You now need a minimum of $10,000 of medical expenses before you can deduct anything.
Ray
Do you EVER quit whining and take responsibility for yourself and your situation? If it aint the government its your employer if it aint your employer its the poor people.
Find a better job. thats the mantra of your kind. Your employer dont OWE you jack shit. Right? Including HC. You should be GLAD that you still have access to HC. Because your employer dont OWE you jack shit. Right.
Damn that ACA.
Both my under 25 student children having medical coverage.
My 30 year old has medical insurance and also has a medical condition that would have kept her from being insured
prior to the ACA.
My wifes company is our heath insurance provider and the rate of increase in premium costs has slowed.
Well care fully covered. etc etc.
Yea the ACA is the pits I tell you.
If not for Commie Care I would have insurance today by my employer. But because of Commie Care, my employer dropped our coverage. That's not my fault, that's the fault of all the Commies that voted for this jerk.
What if we get a GOP President and he makes law that everybody has to buy a brand new SUV? Would you approve of that? Granted, a new SUV is cheaper than health insurance, but it's something that's not affordable for many people.
When you elect Commies and they inflict a huge expense on people, and then people can't afford that huge expense, you blame the people instead of your inability to choose a real American to lead the country. Yeah, I know, I know, it's never the Democrats fault.
do you know how sad it is when they throw up about the FREAKING roads we travel on? what the freak does that have to do with anything. we pay BOTH STATE taxes and a FEDERAL gas tax to pay for those things. are people really this dumb about how our country and governments work?
