Bernie: "Today the Walton family of Walmart own more wealth than the bottom 40 percent of America."

[Arianrhod]

Is it your perception that if you keep posting that it will magically come true? It won't. But post it again. Your inability to comprehend the nature of the problem is entertaining, in a sad sort of way.

The grass is greener on the other side of the fence for most people, it's up to you to make it better, no one will do that for you.

Not everyone has the freedom to move every time a job market dries up.

Unless they are on probation, they most certainly do.

Do you have kids in school? Elderly parents? A mortgage on a house you've put hours of work into?

You are kidding.....I hope.

People have been moving since the dawn of time. With kids in school and elderly parents. And your mortgage is your business.

Or do you really believe that is an entitlement ?

I believe that people with commitments to their families take those commitments seriously.

I've also observed that those who toss off "Pick up and move where the jobs are" usually have no commitments or don't give a shit.

"Oh, the wife has a job locally? Well, fuck her - we're moving!"

"Kids like their school? Well, fuck them, we're moving!"

"Mom's in a nursing home and she won't get to see me or the grandkids that often if we move? Well, fuck her (she doesn't like me anyway; can't imagine why), we're moving!"

 

[Arianrhod]

The answer's self-evident: Have a wealthy grandfather leave you billions.

May we assume you're at least a millionaire?

We do not have two pennies to rub together. But that doesn't give us the authority to steal the Walton's wealth.


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No one's asking you to steal anything. Like Ronald Reagan, we expect American corporations to pay their fair share. "Zero" - in the case of 20 American corporations - is not a "fair share."

Again, I'm amazed that the Rightists are so unwilling to demand that Apple, at least, pay some taxes.

How does that differ from a thug extorting money from a business at gunpoint?

I don't give a damn what you "expect." I expect you to mind your own business.

When did you or your ilk get put in charge of determining anyone's "fair share?"

Ask your hero:

What does that have to do with Corporate taxes and wages at Wal-Mart?

You need to have a video explained to you? Do you know what a "tax loophole" is? If you don't, I can't help you - I doubt anyone can.

BTW, not that your avatar isn't perfect for you - your every post shouts "angry little boy" - but why do you show your "patriotism" with a photo supporting the Rotterdam footie team?

 

[bripat9643]

I don't see how anyone can justify this.
Bernie Sanders says Walmart heirs own more wealth than bottom 40 percent of Americans

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, tweeted a startling statistic to his followers on July 22, 2012: "Today the Walton family of Walmart own more wealth than the bottom 40 percent of America."

Sanders speaks and writes frequently about wealth distribution in the U.S., a hot-button issue among liberals and a rallying cry of the Occupy Wall Street Movement.

The Waltons, of course, are members of the proverbial 1 percent. But are they really sitting on that much wealth? We decided to check it out.

First, what is wealth?

In economics, wealth is commonly measured in terms of net worth, and it’s defined as the value of assets minus liabilities. For someone in the middle class, that could encompass the value of their 401(k) or other retirement accounts, bank savings and personal assets such as jewelry or cars, minus what they owe on a home mortgage, credit cards and a car note.

It does not include income -- what people earn in wages. For that reason, someone who earns a good salary but has little savings and owes a lot of money on their house would have a negative net worth.

In fact, because so many Americans invest in real estate to buy a home, middle-class wealth has been one of the biggest casualties of the housing-driven recession.

From 2007 to 2010, typical families lost 39 percent of their wealth, according to the Federal Reserve’s Survey of Consumer Finances, done every three years. In 2007, the median family net worth was $126,400. In 2010, it was $77,300, according to the survey.

Where the Waltons fit in

Six members of the Walton family appear on the Forbes 400 list of the wealthiest Americans. Christy Walton, widow of the late John Walton, leads the clan at No. 6 with a net worth of $25.3 billion as of March 2012. She is also the richest woman in the world for the seventh year in a row, according to Forbes. Here are the other five:

No. 9: Jim Walton, $23.7 billion
No. 10: Alice Walton, $23.3 billion
No. 11: S. Robson Walton, oldest son of Sam Walton, $23.1 billion
No. 103: Ann Walton Kroenke, $3.9 billion
No. 139: Nancy Walton Laurie, $3.4 billion

It's theirs and they earned it. More power to them.

While it is theirs certainly, the earned part is questionable. Everyone is born.

What's questionable is why you leftists have latched onto the word "earned", and think you can demand that people prove to you that they "deserve" their own property through meeting some arbitrary definition of "earned".

They built and maintained a relationship with their father, such that he chose to give them his property. YOU, on the other hand, didn't even do that much. So I think we can safely say the Walton children did more to "earn" what they have than YOU did. Or the government did. Or anyone who doesn't actually own the money did.

No actually I do far more than the Waltons, none of them even have a position with the company. They don't work at all. I work quite a lot.

Not true. Rob Walton is the CEO of the company. Most of the others have positions with other companies. They are all on the Walton Family Foundation's board of directors.

 

[bripat9643]

Work harder and be more responsible employee you will get paid more simple as that

If there are lots of great jobs out there waiting to be filled why are wages stagnant?

Immigration from third world countries like Mexico, India and China.

 

[Rustic]

If they don't like their wage, work somewhere else.

Is it your perception that if you keep posting that it will magically come true? It won't. But post it again. Your inability to comprehend the nature of the problem is entertaining, in a sad sort of way.

The grass is greener on the other side of the fence for most people, it's up to you to make it better, no one will do that for you.

Not everyone has the freedom to move every time a job market dries up.

Well, make your current job better by working harder and/or being more responsible. There is any number of things that can be done about that.

Not if Walmart is your employer.

Leave then, simple as that.

After all the grass is always greener on the other side. LOL

 

[bripat9643]

The grass is greener on the other side of the fence for most people, it's up to you to make it better, no one will do that for you.

Not everyone has the freedom to move every time a job market dries up.

Unless they are on probation, they most certainly do.

Do you have kids in school? Elderly parents? A mortgage on a house you've put hours of work into?

You are kidding.....I hope.

People have been moving since the dawn of time. With kids in school and elderly parents. And your mortgage is your business.

Or do you really believe that is an entitlement ?

I believe that people with commitments to their families take those commitments seriously.

I've also observed that those who toss off "Pick up and move where the jobs are" usually have no commitments or don't give a shit.

"Oh, the wife has a job locally? Well, fuck her - we're moving!"

What an A-hole. I have a friend who just quite his job and took another job in Wisconsin. His wife had to quit hers so they could move. People move all the time, and the wife usually has to quit when they do.

"Kids like their school? Well, fuck them, we're moving!"

So you're saying my parents said "Fuck the kids" when we moved?"

"Mom's in a nursing home and she won't get to see me or the grandkids that often if we move? Well, fuck her (she doesn't like me anyway; can't imagine why), we're moving!"

I wouldn't put my mother in a nursing home. That is cruelty of the worse kind. However, we all know libs don't want their parents living with them. That's one reason they always give for supporting Social Security.

 

[bripat9643]

We do not have two pennies to rub together. But that doesn't give us the authority to steal the Walton's wealth.


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No one's asking you to steal anything. Like Ronald Reagan, we expect American corporations to pay their fair share. "Zero" - in the case of 20 American corporations - is not a "fair share."

Again, I'm amazed that the Rightists are so unwilling to demand that Apple, at least, pay some taxes.

How does that differ from a thug extorting money from a business at gunpoint?

I don't give a damn what you "expect." I expect you to mind your own business.

When did you or your ilk get put in charge of determining anyone's "fair share?"

Ask your hero:

What does that have to do with Corporate taxes and wages at Wal-Mart?

You need to have a video explained to you? Do you know what a "tax loophole" is? If you don't, I can't help you - I doubt anyone can.

BTW, not that your avatar isn't perfect for you - your every post shouts "angry little boy" - but why do you show your "patriotism" with a photo supporting the Rotterdam footie team?

We're talking about corporations here, not wealthy individuals. Please try and keep the subject of the discussion straight.

Now explain what the video has to do with corporate taxes or the wage Wal-Mart pays.

 

[Rustic]

The socialism of this country is made everything out of sorts, blame that.
A business is not there to hire employees, employees are a necessary part of expanding the business.

The sole purpose of a business is to make profit.

 

[bripat9643]

The way to teach people they don't need government is to put them on the government tit?

How are you going to force a corporation to pay more than it can and still make a profit?

No, the plan is obviously to get them off welfare, pay attention.

Again professor, you give them tax breaks in return for providing for their employees. What makes you think they can't afford it? They can afford to continually give CEOs huge pay increases, and now they would have tax savings to pay for the increases.

For one thing, if they raise their wage costs, they reduce their profit, and they automatically pay lower taxes as a result. Your plan would have to provide a substantially better incentive in taxes than the cost of the additional wages, and you couldn't do that even if you dropped corporate taxes to zero. For another, if most companies paid out their entire profit additional wages, it wouldn't have an appreciable effect on wages. Third, reducing company profits means reducing economic growth because profits are the fuel for growth.

So then companies now don't pay much in taxes you are saying?

It's a small fraction of what they pay in wages.

Let the waltons be, envy really makes America an ugly place...

By paying so little their workers are on welfare, the government grows. I think that is a bad thing. You must love big government.

The government grows because libturds and all the people who get a check from the government (is there a distinction?) want it to grow.

And those people get a check from the gov because their employer hoses them. Either the gov or the employers need to provide for them. If you want small gov the only answer is the employer. This isn't so hard to understand.

No, they get a check from the government because they do a job that doesn't command a better paycheck. Blaming others for not paying you huge amounts to do a job a middle-schooler could manage is just part and parcel of why one doesn't have a better life.

Neither the government nor their employer "needs to provide for them", nor does anyone else.. THEY need to stop thinking like children, and provide for themselves. THAT is the only answer, and it isn't hard to understand, unless you're a lazy parasite.

Really? Cause in the example of Walmart the workers are making the waltons billions a year. Sounds pretty valuable to me.

The Waltons provide a million employees with good wages for jobs that require no marketable skills. They're getting the better end of the bargain.

 

[Arianrhod]

"Good wages" -!

 

[kaz]

I don't see how anyone can justify this.
Bernie Sanders says Walmart heirs own more wealth than bottom 40 percent of Americans

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, tweeted a startling statistic to his followers on July 22, 2012: "Today the Walton family of Walmart own more wealth than the bottom 40 percent of America."

Sanders speaks and writes frequently about wealth distribution in the U.S., a hot-button issue among liberals and a rallying cry of the Occupy Wall Street Movement.

The Waltons, of course, are members of the proverbial 1 percent. But are they really sitting on that much wealth? We decided to check it out.

First, what is wealth?

In economics, wealth is commonly measured in terms of net worth, and it’s defined as the value of assets minus liabilities. For someone in the middle class, that could encompass the value of their 401(k) or other retirement accounts, bank savings and personal assets such as jewelry or cars, minus what they owe on a home mortgage, credit cards and a car note.

It does not include income -- what people earn in wages. For that reason, someone who earns a good salary but has little savings and owes a lot of money on their house would have a negative net worth.

In fact, because so many Americans invest in real estate to buy a home, middle-class wealth has been one of the biggest casualties of the housing-driven recession.

From 2007 to 2010, typical families lost 39 percent of their wealth, according to the Federal Reserve’s Survey of Consumer Finances, done every three years. In 2007, the median family net worth was $126,400. In 2010, it was $77,300, according to the survey.

Where the Waltons fit in

Six members of the Walton family appear on the Forbes 400 list of the wealthiest Americans. Christy Walton, widow of the late John Walton, leads the clan at No. 6 with a net worth of $25.3 billion as of March 2012. She is also the richest woman in the world for the seventh year in a row, according to Forbes. Here are the other five:

No. 9: Jim Walton, $23.7 billion
No. 10: Alice Walton, $23.3 billion
No. 11: S. Robson Walton, oldest son of Sam Walton, $23.1 billion
No. 103: Ann Walton Kroenke, $3.9 billion
No. 139: Nancy Walton Laurie, $3.4 billion

Let's kill them!

So what we have is that maybe your strategy of making excuses and giving handouts isn't working. Ya think?

 

[bripat9643]

The part where the corporation saves enough in taxes to compensate for the increased cost of wages doesn't add up.

Why not? You republicans run around saying our corporations are the most taxed in the world. Are you now saying they aren't? Walmart for instance would have an extra 7.1 billion.

Wal-Mart as 1,000,000 employees. Paying them all an extra $1.00/hr means an additional $20 billion in payroll costs. That's more than their entire profit for the year.

I realize you won't get this because math is hard for leftwing turds.

How many employees they have on welfare?

What difference does that make?

You're paying for it. The fact that your side maintains a calculated ignorance no matter how many times that's pointed out to you is...remarkable.

YEs, I pay for welfare, but Wal-Mart isn't to blame. What you're making clear is that you don't believe in personal responsibility. You believe corporations are supposed to operate "en loco parentis." I can't image a more pathetic or despicable view of human nature than that.

 

[bripat9643]

The grass is greener on the other side of the fence for most people, it's up to you to make it better, no one will do that for you.

Not everyone has the freedom to move every time a job market dries up.

Well, make your current job better by working harder and/or being more responsible. There is any number of things that can be done about that.

Not if Walmart is your employer.

You mean they can't get a better job somewhere else?

I mean not everyone has the freedom to move every time a job market dries up.

Do you have kids in school? Elderly parents? A mortgage on a house you've put hours of work into? Or are you completely self-absorbed?

I have had all three. I rented my house out for 4 years because I moved to another state.

If you don't want to move, that's your decision, but why should anyone else have to pay the consequences of your decisions?

 

[deltex1]

I don't see how anyone can justify this.
Bernie Sanders says Walmart heirs own more wealth than bottom 40 percent of Americans

Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders, an independent who caucuses with Democrats, tweeted a startling statistic to his followers on July 22, 2012: "Today the Walton family of Walmart own more wealth than the bottom 40 percent of America."

Sanders speaks and writes frequently about wealth distribution in the U.S., a hot-button issue among liberals and a rallying cry of the Occupy Wall Street Movement.

The Waltons, of course, are members of the proverbial 1 percent. But are they really sitting on that much wealth? We decided to check it out.

First, what is wealth?

In economics, wealth is commonly measured in terms of net worth, and it’s defined as the value of assets minus liabilities. For someone in the middle class, that could encompass the value of their 401(k) or other retirement accounts, bank savings and personal assets such as jewelry or cars, minus what they owe on a home mortgage, credit cards and a car note.

It does not include income -- what people earn in wages. For that reason, someone who earns a good salary but has little savings and owes a lot of money on their house would have a negative net worth.

In fact, because so many Americans invest in real estate to buy a home, middle-class wealth has been one of the biggest casualties of the housing-driven recession.

From 2007 to 2010, typical families lost 39 percent of their wealth, according to the Federal Reserve’s Survey of Consumer Finances, done every three years. In 2007, the median family net worth was $126,400. In 2010, it was $77,300, according to the survey.

Where the Waltons fit in

Six members of the Walton family appear on the Forbes 400 list of the wealthiest Americans. Christy Walton, widow of the late John Walton, leads the clan at No. 6 with a net worth of $25.3 billion as of March 2012. She is also the richest woman in the world for the seventh year in a row, according to Forbes. Here are the other five:

No. 9: Jim Walton, $23.7 billion
No. 10: Alice Walton, $23.3 billion
No. 11: S. Robson Walton, oldest son of Sam Walton, $23.1 billion
No. 103: Ann Walton Kroenke, $3.9 billion
No. 139: Nancy Walton Laurie, $3.4 billion

The Waltons are winners. You and your friends are losers.

 

[Arianrhod]

Why not? You republicans run around saying our corporations are the most taxed in the world. Are you now saying they aren't? Walmart for instance would have an extra 7.1 billion.

Wal-Mart as 1,000,000 employees. Paying them all an extra $1.00/hr means an additional $20 billion in payroll costs. That's more than their entire profit for the year.

I realize you won't get this because math is hard for leftwing turds.

How many employees they have on welfare?

What difference does that make?

You're paying for it. The fact that your side maintains a calculated ignorance no matter how many times that's pointed out to you is...remarkable.

YEs, I pay for welfare, but Wal-Mart isn't to blame.

Well, you're wrong, and no amount of evidence will convince you, so enjoy.

 

[Arianrhod]

Not everyone has the freedom to move every time a job market dries up.

Well, make your current job better by working harder and/or being more responsible. There is any number of things that can be done about that.

Not if Walmart is your employer.

You mean they can't get a better job somewhere else?

I mean not everyone has the freedom to move every time a job market dries up.

Do you have kids in school? Elderly parents? A mortgage on a house you've put hours of work into? Or are you completely self-absorbed?

I have had all three. I rented my house out for 4 years because I moved to another state.

If you don't want to move, that's your decision, but why should anyone else have to pay the consequences of your decisions?

Why, indeed? Yet you continue to pay for SNAP benefits because the Waltons are manipulating you into doing so. Enjoy.

 

[bripat9643]

Wal-Mart as 1,000,000 employees. Paying them all an extra $1.00/hr means an additional $20 billion in payroll costs. That's more than their entire profit for the year.

I realize you won't get this because math is hard for leftwing turds.

How many employees they have on welfare?

What difference does that make?

You're paying for it. The fact that your side maintains a calculated ignorance no matter how many times that's pointed out to you is...remarkable.

YEs, I pay for welfare, but Wal-Mart isn't to blame.

Well, you're wrong, and no amount of evidence will convince you, so enjoy.

No, I'm not wrong. No amount of your bullshit will convince me. That much is true. So far all you've done is insist that your claim is true. You haven't offered a shred of evidence.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

The grass is greener on the other side of the fence for most people, it's up to you to make it better, no one will do that for you.

Not everyone has the freedom to move every time a job market dries up.

Unless they are on probation, they most certainly do.

Do you have kids in school? Elderly parents? A mortgage on a house you've put hours of work into?

You are kidding.....I hope.

People have been moving since the dawn of time. With kids in school and elderly parents. And your mortgage is your business.

Or do you really believe that is an entitlement ?

I believe that people with commitments to their families take those commitments seriously.

I've also observed that those who toss off "Pick up and move where the jobs are" usually have no commitments or don't give a shit.

"Oh, the wife has a job locally? Well, fuck her - we're moving!"

"Kids like their school? Well, fuck them, we're moving!"

"Mom's in a nursing home and she won't get to see me or the grandkids that often if we move? Well, fuck her (she doesn't like me anyway; can't imagine why), we're moving!"

Nobody really cares what you've observed.

The fact is that this has been going longer than you've been around.

Families have made sacrifices since the dawn of time to improve financially.

That's life.

Get over it.

Your little observations don't mean anything.

 

[bripat9643]

Well, make your current job better by working harder and/or being more responsible. There is any number of things that can be done about that.

Not if Walmart is your employer.

You mean they can't get a better job somewhere else?

I mean not everyone has the freedom to move every time a job market dries up.

Do you have kids in school? Elderly parents? A mortgage on a house you've put hours of work into? Or are you completely self-absorbed?

I have had all three. I rented my house out for 4 years because I moved to another state.

If you don't want to move, that's your decision, but why should anyone else have to pay the consequences of your decisions?

Why, indeed? Yet you continue to pay for SNAP benefits because the Waltons are manipulating you into doing so. Enjoy.

No, I pay for SNAP benefits because morons like you voted in the politicians who approve of the program, and for no other reason.

 

[Arianrhod]

No, I'm not wrong. No amount of your bullshit will convince me. That much is true. So far all you've done is insist that your claim is true. You haven't offered a shred of evidence.

You mean "evidence you can understand." This thread and others are replete with evidence you steadfastly ignore.

Then again, you didn't "get" the Reagan video, and you probably never even noticed the logo on your avatar's jacket, so maybe you don't understand what "evidence" means, either.

Enjoy your ignorance, Feyenoord. (Now watch him think "Feyenoord" is a cuss word.)