Bernie Wants to Toss People in Prison for Not Violating the Law

[HappyJoy]

Yet Leftards covet their plastics and fossil fuel transportation.

If you mean reusable bottles and Teslas, sure.

Your phone is 99% plastic, Dufus.

It is and I keep it for as long as I can. I don't think it's possible to completely reduce our carbon footprint, however we need to reduce, we don't have much of a choice.

Why do we not have much of a choice? I think our choices are pretty clear.

I was lucky enough to tour a recycling facility about two years ago and it was eye opening. The sheer amount of waste being sent there from just the surrounding area was embarrassing in my opinion, and a pretty good percentage of it was still slated for a landfill due to contamination. This was just one facility in a relatively rural area of Oregon and so if you try to picture that same scene but probably larger and scattered across the US in every major city and cities in-between we generate a lot of waste that mostly goes to landfills. I think there has to be a way that we can try to make a personal choice to help reduce what we throw away in my opinion. I don't think there needs to be a political agenda or political angle to it, it's just being responsible stewards of a place that we are blessed to live in.

Yeah, I agree, this shouldn't be political.

Also, I agree, somethings recycle better than others. Cell phones and electronics we can get back a lot from where as consumable plastics can be a different story.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

I think sometimes people forget, or just frankly don't know, the thousands of products that we own, use, interact with, and see everyday that are made from fossil fuels such as petroleum. The gas in our cars and tractors and planes and power plants and other big visible machines are the things most associated with fossil fuels to most people but just simply go to a grocery store and down every aisle are hundreds upon hundreds, thousands really, of products that are made from fossil fuels. As dirty as they are we can't just simply pretend that our country can just stop using fossil fuels overnight or even over one presidential term. It will take a lot of time, effort, money, alternatives, will power, thought, sacrifices, and calm in order to convert completely away from fossil fuels. It's worth the effort, but we really also need to be realistic about the process in my opinion.

Every time some leftwing idiot buys some bottled water on the way to protest againts big oil, he's consuming fossil fuels.

Many of the products made from fossil fuels are created out of a sense of convenience and could easily be replaced by alternatives, however, I'm not optimistic that too many people would be willing to sacrifice some convenience for a better planet unfortunately.

Then get off your plastics phone and computer, recycle them, and post here via snail mail.

Delivered by fossil fuel vehicles of course.

I'm not advocating for a total dismissal of fossil fuels. I'm just simply saying that many of the products we buy are purely for convenience and could be replaced with other items that last longer and are more Earth friendly in the long run. Much of the plastic packaging for products for example is for single use.

What should they be?

It's hard to say since there are so many products out there, and i'm certainly no expert or a perfect example, but I can only speak to what my husband and I try to do which seems to work for us. I mentioned earlier how we get our dairy products, but some of the biggest plastic items that we try not to buy regularly are things that we make ourselves like soap, deodorant, cleaning sprays, and things like that. Even that can be tough sometimes since if we need some new borax for example it's hard to not find it already in a plastic container but one tub also lasts us a very long time and when the tub is empty we try to find a use for the tub. We don't use bags for our fruits and vegetables. We still buy plastics of course but we are still learning how to live a more sustainable lifestyle.

 

[HappyJoy]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

Fossil fuels have systematically allowed you to be a lazy piece of shit winter and summer to sit on your pc bitching about the fucking temperature.

You better hope Bernie doesn’t win because if fossil fuels go away you die.

I use less, I have solar and just like the fossil fuel industry part of it was subsidized as it should be.

Lets see some pics of your solar and the bicycle you use as transportation.

I have two bikes, but those are just for fun. I telecommute. I have solar, I'm not climbing on my roof to take a picture of my panels. Though I guess I could take a pic of the inverter but I guess I really don't care if you believe me or not.

I’d rather have a picture of your meter with the wires cut showing you’re off grid.

Rarely do people go off grid, if you do you need a battery and you should probably know that. You should also know if you're keeping up I don't have a battery. If I were to go off grid I would also not be able to sell back my unused energy which helps the environment and also keeps my electric bill in the Arizona summers down to abut 20 bucks, pretty much just for fees.

Wires cut, what sort of janky shit would that be?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

Fossil fuels have systematically allowed you to be a lazy piece of shit winter and summer to sit on your pc bitching about the fucking temperature.

You better hope Bernie doesn’t win because if fossil fuels go away you die.

I use less, I have solar and just like the fossil fuel industry part of it was subsidized as it should be.

Fossil fuels aren’t subsidized you moron. Solar and wind sure as hell are. But you already know that. It was on your taxes.

Fossil fuels are also subsidized.

Fossil fuels are underpriced by a whopping $5.2 trillion

They are not subsidized, they get tax breaks like most any other company in the US.

What subsidies do oil companies receive?

 

[HappyJoy]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

Fossil fuels have systematically allowed you to be a lazy piece of shit winter and summer to sit on your pc bitching about the fucking temperature.

You better hope Bernie doesn’t win because if fossil fuels go away you die.

I use less, I have solar and just like the fossil fuel industry part of it was subsidized as it should be.

Fossil fuels aren’t subsidized you moron. Solar and wind sure as hell are. But you already know that. It was on your taxes.

Fossil fuels are also subsidized.

Fossil fuels are underpriced by a whopping $5.2 trillion

They are not subsidized, they get tax breaks like most any other company in the US.

What subsidies do oil companies receive?

Hey, that's exactly what I got, a tax break. Subsidies are often paid through tax cuts.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

What did they lie about?

Climate change.

Holding Major Fossil Fuel Companies Accountable for Nearly 40 Years of Climate Deception and Harm

What LAW was broken?

You breathing harms the environment too, shitforbrains.

You just validate the Left want to destroy the economy.

THANK YOU

Fraud for one. Exxon/Mobil is already under investigation by California and New York. It's also a crime to lie to consumers and shareholders.

You mean like "If you like your insurance company, you can keep your insurance company?"

 

[HappyJoy]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

What did they lie about?

Climate change.

Holding Major Fossil Fuel Companies Accountable for Nearly 40 Years of Climate Deception and Harm

What LAW was broken?

You breathing harms the environment too, shitforbrains.

You just validate the Left want to destroy the economy.

THANK YOU

Fraud for one. Exxon/Mobil is already under investigation by California and New York. It's also a crime to lie to consumers and shareholders.

You mean like "If you like your insurance company, you can keep your insurance company?"

Wow, talk about a misquote. Good job.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Fossil fuels have systematically allowed you to be a lazy piece of shit winter and summer to sit on your pc bitching about the fucking temperature.

You better hope Bernie doesn’t win because if fossil fuels go away you die.

I use less, I have solar and just like the fossil fuel industry part of it was subsidized as it should be.

Fossil fuels aren’t subsidized you moron. Solar and wind sure as hell are. But you already know that. It was on your taxes.

Fossil fuels are also subsidized.

Fossil fuels are underpriced by a whopping $5.2 trillion

They are not subsidized, they get tax breaks like most any other company in the US.

What subsidies do oil companies receive?

Hey, that's exactly what I got, a tax break. Subsidies are often paid through tax cuts.

Well a subsidy is actually government handing over cash. Tax breaks are simply that, tax breaks. However the left often uses the word "subsidy" to think that taxpayers are funding big "whatever." It's very misleading which is why they avoid using the term tax breaks.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Every time some leftwing idiot buys some bottled water on the way to protest againts big oil, he's consuming fossil fuels.

Many of the products made from fossil fuels are created out of a sense of convenience and could easily be replaced by alternatives, however, I'm not optimistic that too many people would be willing to sacrifice some convenience for a better planet unfortunately.

Then get off your plastics phone and computer, recycle them, and post here via snail mail.

Delivered by fossil fuel vehicles of course.

I'm not advocating for a total dismissal of fossil fuels. I'm just simply saying that many of the products we buy are purely for convenience and could be replaced with other items that last longer and are more Earth friendly in the long run. Much of the plastic packaging for products for example is for single use.

What should they be?

It's hard to say since there are so many products out there, and i'm certainly no expert or a perfect example, but I can only speak to what my husband and I try to do which seems to work for us. I mentioned earlier how we get our dairy products, but some of the biggest plastic items that we try not to buy regularly are things that we make ourselves like soap, deodorant, cleaning sprays, and things like that. Even that can be tough sometimes since if we need some new borax for example it's hard to not find it already in a plastic container but one tub also lasts us a very long time and when the tub is empty we try to find a use for the tub. We don't use bags for our fruits and vegetables. We still buy plastics of course but we are still learning how to live a more sustainable lifestyle.

And do you really believe you are making any kind of difference?

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

Many of the products made from fossil fuels are created out of a sense of convenience and could easily be replaced by alternatives, however, I'm not optimistic that too many people would be willing to sacrifice some convenience for a better planet unfortunately.

Then get off your plastics phone and computer, recycle them, and post here via snail mail.

Delivered by fossil fuel vehicles of course.

I'm not advocating for a total dismissal of fossil fuels. I'm just simply saying that many of the products we buy are purely for convenience and could be replaced with other items that last longer and are more Earth friendly in the long run. Much of the plastic packaging for products for example is for single use.

What should they be?

It's hard to say since there are so many products out there, and i'm certainly no expert or a perfect example, but I can only speak to what my husband and I try to do which seems to work for us. I mentioned earlier how we get our dairy products, but some of the biggest plastic items that we try not to buy regularly are things that we make ourselves like soap, deodorant, cleaning sprays, and things like that. Even that can be tough sometimes since if we need some new borax for example it's hard to not find it already in a plastic container but one tub also lasts us a very long time and when the tub is empty we try to find a use for the tub. We don't use bags for our fruits and vegetables. We still buy plastics of course but we are still learning how to live a more sustainable lifestyle.

And do you really believe you are making any kind of difference?

Globally no, locally I don't really know, but I do know we are trying to do the right thing and I believe we are making a difference. The Earth is a creation of God and so we try to treat it with the respect it deserves.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Yet Leftards covet their plastics and fossil fuel transportation.

If you mean reusable bottles and Teslas, sure.

Your phone is 99% plastic, Dufus.

It is and I keep it for as long as I can. I don't think it's possible to completely reduce our carbon footprint, however we need to reduce, we don't have much of a choice.

Why do we not have much of a choice? I think our choices are pretty clear.

I was lucky enough to tour a recycling facility about two years ago and it was eye opening. The sheer amount of waste being sent there from just the surrounding area was embarrassing in my opinion, and a pretty good percentage of it was still slated for a landfill due to contamination. This was just one facility in a relatively rural area of Oregon and so if you try to picture that same scene but probably larger and scattered across the US in every major city and cities in-between we generate a lot of waste that mostly goes to landfills. I think there has to be a way that we can try to make a personal choice to help reduce what we throw away in my opinion. I don't think there needs to be a political agenda or political angle to it, it's just being responsible stewards of a place that we are blessed to live in.

Back in the 60's and perhaps early 70's, we used to return bottles for a refund of the charge they assessed to us upon the purchase of the product. We returned everything: milk bottles, orange juice bottles, pop, beer, you name it, and it was returnable.

So yes, we can do that, but I think most would object to hauling twenty pounds of bottles back to the store every week.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

If you mean reusable bottles and Teslas, sure.

Your phone is 99% plastic, Dufus.

It is and I keep it for as long as I can. I don't think it's possible to completely reduce our carbon footprint, however we need to reduce, we don't have much of a choice.

Why do we not have much of a choice? I think our choices are pretty clear.

I was lucky enough to tour a recycling facility about two years ago and it was eye opening. The sheer amount of waste being sent there from just the surrounding area was embarrassing in my opinion, and a pretty good percentage of it was still slated for a landfill due to contamination. This was just one facility in a relatively rural area of Oregon and so if you try to picture that same scene but probably larger and scattered across the US in every major city and cities in-between we generate a lot of waste that mostly goes to landfills. I think there has to be a way that we can try to make a personal choice to help reduce what we throw away in my opinion. I don't think there needs to be a political agenda or political angle to it, it's just being responsible stewards of a place that we are blessed to live in.

Back in the 60's and perhaps early 70's, we used to return bottles for a refund of the charge they assessed to us upon the purchase of the product. We returned everything: milk bottles, orange juice bottles, pop, beer, you name it, and it was returnable.

So yes, we can do that, but I think most would object to hauling twenty pounds of bottles back to the store every week.

True they probably would object, but it also means they could try and figure out what they could sacrifice and reduce the frequency in which they buy those items. Make it an infrequent treat rather than a frequent expectation for example.

 

[DOTR]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

Good to hear from you Fascists.

You really going to push the idea no one has a clue of fossil fuel use?

You have to attend a university to learn to be that stupid.

Yeah, all of you idiots don't believe in climate change thanks mostly to the fossil fuel industry.

I am always amazed at the cognitive dissonance of liberals.

Even ExxonMobil Wants President Trump to Stick With the Paris Climate Deal

Climate change | ExxonMobil

BP:The energy transition | Sustainability | Home

SHELL:Climate change and energy transitions

Conoco:Climate Change Position

CHEVRON:Climate Change Initiatives

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Then get off your plastics phone and computer, recycle them, and post here via snail mail.

Delivered by fossil fuel vehicles of course.

I'm not advocating for a total dismissal of fossil fuels. I'm just simply saying that many of the products we buy are purely for convenience and could be replaced with other items that last longer and are more Earth friendly in the long run. Much of the plastic packaging for products for example is for single use.

What should they be?

It's hard to say since there are so many products out there, and i'm certainly no expert or a perfect example, but I can only speak to what my husband and I try to do which seems to work for us. I mentioned earlier how we get our dairy products, but some of the biggest plastic items that we try not to buy regularly are things that we make ourselves like soap, deodorant, cleaning sprays, and things like that. Even that can be tough sometimes since if we need some new borax for example it's hard to not find it already in a plastic container but one tub also lasts us a very long time and when the tub is empty we try to find a use for the tub. We don't use bags for our fruits and vegetables. We still buy plastics of course but we are still learning how to live a more sustainable lifestyle.

And do you really believe you are making any kind of difference?

Globally no, locally I don't really know, but I do know we are trying to do the right thing and I believe we are making a difference. The Earth is a creation of God and so we try to treat it with the respect it deserves.

I understand that, but to go so far out of your way to make no major difference is a lot of work in vain. Don't get me wrong, I recycle nearly everything. I have a can crusher in my garage, and all the beer and pop cans I have are crushed and taken to the recycle place. I keep all my cardboard boxes until I watch television. Then while watching, I rip up all those boxes so the cardboard takes the least room in our recycling can.

I do all that, but not because I think I'm saving the planet, it's because I'm conservative and don't believe in throwing things away that somebody else could use. When recycling first started, we used blue see through bags. What I noticed is that my more conservative neighbors had those bags on the tree lawn than our known liberal neighbors.

As we throw more and more away, we need to find more places to bury the stuff. That means they have to drive further and further out of the city. After all, I don't want them to open up a dump near my home more than anybody else. Plus I have to pay to have all that garbage transported via property tax. So the way I look at it, the less garbage we throw away, the less our expense for dumping the stuff in the future.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Fossil fuels have systematically allowed you to be a lazy piece of shit winter and summer to sit on your pc bitching about the fucking temperature.

You better hope Bernie doesn’t win because if fossil fuels go away you die.

I use less, I have solar and just like the fossil fuel industry part of it was subsidized as it should be.

Lets see some pics of your solar and the bicycle you use as transportation.

I have two bikes, but those are just for fun. I telecommute. I have solar, I'm not climbing on my roof to take a picture of my panels. Though I guess I could take a pic of the inverter but I guess I really don't care if you believe me or not.

I’d rather have a picture of your meter with the wires cut showing you’re off grid.

Rarely do people go off grid, if you do you need a battery and you should probably know that. You should also know if you're keeping up I don't have a battery. If I were to go off grid I would also not be able to sell back my unused energy which helps the environment and also keeps my electric bill in the Arizona summers down to abut 20 bucks, pretty much just for fees.

Wires cut, what sort of janky shit would that be?

So let’s sue the shit out of the people that produce your power the majority of the time. Good plan.

Do you still get paid what it costs the power company to produce electricity during the times they can’t use it? That was pretty messed up how AZ did that.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

I'm not advocating for a total dismissal of fossil fuels. I'm just simply saying that many of the products we buy are purely for convenience and could be replaced with other items that last longer and are more Earth friendly in the long run. Much of the plastic packaging for products for example is for single use.

What should they be?

It's hard to say since there are so many products out there, and i'm certainly no expert or a perfect example, but I can only speak to what my husband and I try to do which seems to work for us. I mentioned earlier how we get our dairy products, but some of the biggest plastic items that we try not to buy regularly are things that we make ourselves like soap, deodorant, cleaning sprays, and things like that. Even that can be tough sometimes since if we need some new borax for example it's hard to not find it already in a plastic container but one tub also lasts us a very long time and when the tub is empty we try to find a use for the tub. We don't use bags for our fruits and vegetables. We still buy plastics of course but we are still learning how to live a more sustainable lifestyle.

And do you really believe you are making any kind of difference?

Globally no, locally I don't really know, but I do know we are trying to do the right thing and I believe we are making a difference. The Earth is a creation of God and so we try to treat it with the respect it deserves.

I understand that, but to go so far out of your way to make no major difference is a lot of work in vain. Don't get me wrong, I recycle nearly everything. I have a can crusher in my garage, and all the beer and pop cans I have are crushed and taken to the recycle place. I keep all my cardboard boxes until I watch television. Then while watching, I rip up all those boxes so the cardboard takes the least room in our recycling can.

I do all that, but not because I think I'm saving the planet, it's because I'm conservative and don't believe in throwing things away that somebody else could use. When recycling first started, we used blue see through bags. What I noticed is that my more conservative neighbors had those bags on the tree lawn than our known liberal neighbors.

As we throw more and more away, we need to find more places to bury the stuff. That means they have to drive further and further out of the city. After all, I don't want them to open up a dump near my home more than anybody else. Plus I have to pay to have all that garbage transported via property tax. So the way I look at it, the less garbage we throw away, the less our expense for dumping the stuff in the future.

I don't mind doing things that might be ultimately in vain. I'm a simple living person and I've been able to mostly convert my husband over the years and so it's just normal now. I personally do it moreso for my religious convictions and sense of stewardship than for any sort of political or social reasons, and so if it's in vain when it comes to a political or environmental or convenience cause then that's ultimately ok to me.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Your phone is 99% plastic, Dufus.

It is and I keep it for as long as I can. I don't think it's possible to completely reduce our carbon footprint, however we need to reduce, we don't have much of a choice.

Why do we not have much of a choice? I think our choices are pretty clear.

I was lucky enough to tour a recycling facility about two years ago and it was eye opening. The sheer amount of waste being sent there from just the surrounding area was embarrassing in my opinion, and a pretty good percentage of it was still slated for a landfill due to contamination. This was just one facility in a relatively rural area of Oregon and so if you try to picture that same scene but probably larger and scattered across the US in every major city and cities in-between we generate a lot of waste that mostly goes to landfills. I think there has to be a way that we can try to make a personal choice to help reduce what we throw away in my opinion. I don't think there needs to be a political agenda or political angle to it, it's just being responsible stewards of a place that we are blessed to live in.

Back in the 60's and perhaps early 70's, we used to return bottles for a refund of the charge they assessed to us upon the purchase of the product. We returned everything: milk bottles, orange juice bottles, pop, beer, you name it, and it was returnable.

So yes, we can do that, but I think most would object to hauling twenty pounds of bottles back to the store every week.

True they probably would object, but it also means they could try and figure out what they could sacrifice and reduce the frequency in which they buy those items. Make it an infrequent treat rather than a frequent expectation for example.

When plastic first came out, companies switched because of the work and expense involved with refilling used bottles. After all, the store needs a place to keep those thousands of bottles. A truck driver has to load all those bottles into the truck by hand, has to haul those bottles back to the factory. Then they had to unload all those bottles by hand, put them on various carts, and wheeled to the washing and drying machines. Once again, load the bottles by hand into the various machines, unload them by hand, and take them to the part of the factory that filled the bottles with the beverage. Some bottles had to be disposed of because of chipping or breaking, so inspections had to be conducted before the bottles went on the line to get refilled.

It was just a lot of work and expense even though much more environmentally friendly.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Fossil fuels have systematically allowed you to be a lazy piece of shit winter and summer to sit on your pc bitching about the fucking temperature.

You better hope Bernie doesn’t win because if fossil fuels go away you die.

I use less, I have solar and just like the fossil fuel industry part of it was subsidized as it should be.

Fossil fuels aren’t subsidized you moron. Solar and wind sure as hell are. But you already know that. It was on your taxes.

Fossil fuels are also subsidized.

Fossil fuels are underpriced by a whopping $5.2 trillion

They are not subsidized, they get tax breaks like most any other company in the US.

What subsidies do oil companies receive?

Hey, that's exactly what I got, a tax break. Subsidies are often paid through tax cuts.

Funny how when you don’t pay taxes on frivolous shit like solar it’s a tax break.

Energy companies keeping your home powered up when you can’t are getting subsidies.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What should they be?

It's hard to say since there are so many products out there, and i'm certainly no expert or a perfect example, but I can only speak to what my husband and I try to do which seems to work for us. I mentioned earlier how we get our dairy products, but some of the biggest plastic items that we try not to buy regularly are things that we make ourselves like soap, deodorant, cleaning sprays, and things like that. Even that can be tough sometimes since if we need some new borax for example it's hard to not find it already in a plastic container but one tub also lasts us a very long time and when the tub is empty we try to find a use for the tub. We don't use bags for our fruits and vegetables. We still buy plastics of course but we are still learning how to live a more sustainable lifestyle.

And do you really believe you are making any kind of difference?

Globally no, locally I don't really know, but I do know we are trying to do the right thing and I believe we are making a difference. The Earth is a creation of God and so we try to treat it with the respect it deserves.

I understand that, but to go so far out of your way to make no major difference is a lot of work in vain. Don't get me wrong, I recycle nearly everything. I have a can crusher in my garage, and all the beer and pop cans I have are crushed and taken to the recycle place. I keep all my cardboard boxes until I watch television. Then while watching, I rip up all those boxes so the cardboard takes the least room in our recycling can.

I do all that, but not because I think I'm saving the planet, it's because I'm conservative and don't believe in throwing things away that somebody else could use. When recycling first started, we used blue see through bags. What I noticed is that my more conservative neighbors had those bags on the tree lawn than our known liberal neighbors.

As we throw more and more away, we need to find more places to bury the stuff. That means they have to drive further and further out of the city. After all, I don't want them to open up a dump near my home more than anybody else. Plus I have to pay to have all that garbage transported via property tax. So the way I look at it, the less garbage we throw away, the less our expense for dumping the stuff in the future.

I don't mind doing things that might be ultimately in vain. I'm a simple living person and I've been able to mostly convert my husband over the years and so it's just normal now. I personally do it moreso for my religious convictions and sense of stewardship than for any sort of political or social reasons, and so if it's in vain when it comes to a political or environmental or convenience cause then that's ultimately ok to me.

And that's all that counts, doing things that make you feel good about yourself. I'm the same way with my recycling.

 

[Grace Is Stoked]

It is and I keep it for as long as I can. I don't think it's possible to completely reduce our carbon footprint, however we need to reduce, we don't have much of a choice.

Why do we not have much of a choice? I think our choices are pretty clear.

I was lucky enough to tour a recycling facility about two years ago and it was eye opening. The sheer amount of waste being sent there from just the surrounding area was embarrassing in my opinion, and a pretty good percentage of it was still slated for a landfill due to contamination. This was just one facility in a relatively rural area of Oregon and so if you try to picture that same scene but probably larger and scattered across the US in every major city and cities in-between we generate a lot of waste that mostly goes to landfills. I think there has to be a way that we can try to make a personal choice to help reduce what we throw away in my opinion. I don't think there needs to be a political agenda or political angle to it, it's just being responsible stewards of a place that we are blessed to live in.

Back in the 60's and perhaps early 70's, we used to return bottles for a refund of the charge they assessed to us upon the purchase of the product. We returned everything: milk bottles, orange juice bottles, pop, beer, you name it, and it was returnable.

So yes, we can do that, but I think most would object to hauling twenty pounds of bottles back to the store every week.

True they probably would object, but it also means they could try and figure out what they could sacrifice and reduce the frequency in which they buy those items. Make it an infrequent treat rather than a frequent expectation for example.

When plastic first came out, companies switched because of the work and expense involved with refilling used bottles. After all, the store needs a place to keep those thousands of bottles. A truck driver has to load all those bottles into the truck by hand, has to haul those bottles back to the factory. Then they had to unload all those bottles by hand, put them on various carts, and wheeled to the washing and drying machines. Once again, load the bottles by hand into the various machines, unload them by hand, and take them to the part of the factory that filled the bottles with the beverage. Some bottles had to be disposed of because of chipping or breaking, so inspections had to be conducted before the bottles went on the line to get refilled.

It was just a lot of work and expense even though much more environmentally friendly.

I may be in over my head when it comes to the large scale conversion of other people to mirror how we try to live and I understand that. My goal is not to force anybody to do what I do, but i'd just like to see some positive movement towards reducing our negative footprint when it comes to excess.