Bernie Wants to Toss People in Prison for Not Violating the Law

[bripat9643]

What LAW was broken?

You breathing harms the environment too, shitforbrains.

You just validate the Left want to destroy the economy.

THANK YOU

Fraud for one. Exxon/Mobil is already under investigation by California and New York. It's also a crime to lie to consumers and shareholders.

Good little fascist liar.

Really? California and New York aren't looking into Exxon/Mobil? Interesting. You're kind of boring me, you're all over the map trying to find a place to land a blow rather than just debating.

So why do they use fossil fuels in greater quantities than other cities and states?
Seems hypocritical.

To be fair you have to compare the states on a per capita basis, right? Of course California is going to use more energy then say Montana. So, per capita how does that work out?

Here are the top 10 states that use the most energy:
Which 10 States Use The Most Energy per Capita?

1. Wyoming
2. Alaska
3. Louisiana
4. North Dakota
5. Iowa
6. Texas
7. South Dakota
8. Nebraska
9. Kentucky
10. Indiana

Looks like a bunch of rural red states to me.

That's no surprise. People have to drive long distances in sparsely populated rural states like Wyoming and North Dakota. It's also very cold in those states.

 

[bripat9643]

Yet Leftards covet their plastics and fossil fuel transportation.

If you mean reusable bottles and Teslas, sure.

Your phone is 99% plastic, Dufus.

It is and I keep it for as long as I can. I don't think it's possible to completely reduce our carbon footprint, however we need to reduce, we don't have much of a choice.

Why do we not have much of a choice? I think our choices are pretty clear.

We have two choices. We destroy the planet's ability to sustain life or we don't.

Using fossil fuels won't destroy the planet's ability to sustain life. In fact, exactly the opposite is the case.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Why do we not have much of a choice? I think our choices are pretty clear.

I was lucky enough to tour a recycling facility about two years ago and it was eye opening. The sheer amount of waste being sent there from just the surrounding area was embarrassing in my opinion, and a pretty good percentage of it was still slated for a landfill due to contamination. This was just one facility in a relatively rural area of Oregon and so if you try to picture that same scene but probably larger and scattered across the US in every major city and cities in-between we generate a lot of waste that mostly goes to landfills. I think there has to be a way that we can try to make a personal choice to help reduce what we throw away in my opinion. I don't think there needs to be a political agenda or political angle to it, it's just being responsible stewards of a place that we are blessed to live in.

Back in the 60's and perhaps early 70's, we used to return bottles for a refund of the charge they assessed to us upon the purchase of the product. We returned everything: milk bottles, orange juice bottles, pop, beer, you name it, and it was returnable.

So yes, we can do that, but I think most would object to hauling twenty pounds of bottles back to the store every week.

True they probably would object, but it also means they could try and figure out what they could sacrifice and reduce the frequency in which they buy those items. Make it an infrequent treat rather than a frequent expectation for example.

When plastic first came out, companies switched because of the work and expense involved with refilling used bottles. After all, the store needs a place to keep those thousands of bottles. A truck driver has to load all those bottles into the truck by hand, has to haul those bottles back to the factory. Then they had to unload all those bottles by hand, put them on various carts, and wheeled to the washing and drying machines. Once again, load the bottles by hand into the various machines, unload them by hand, and take them to the part of the factory that filled the bottles with the beverage. Some bottles had to be disposed of because of chipping or breaking, so inspections had to be conducted before the bottles went on the line to get refilled.

It was just a lot of work and expense even though much more environmentally friendly.

I may be in over my head when it comes to the large scale conversion of other people to mirror how we try to live and I understand that. My goal is not to force anybody to do what I do, but i'd just like to see some positive movement towards reducing our negative footprint when it comes to excess.

And that's fine. However when we have loons like Socialist Sanders who say people need to be thrown in jail simply because they are in industries against his political beliefs, we come to the conclusion that Democrats are the real Nazi's. They want to throw innocent Americans in prison and give healthcare to illegal aliens all on the taxpayers dime.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

Fossil fuels have systematically allowed you to be a lazy piece of shit winter and summer to sit on your pc bitching about the fucking temperature.

You better hope Bernie doesn’t win because if fossil fuels go away you die.

I use less, I have solar and just like the fossil fuel industry part of it was subsidized as it should be.

Fossil fuels aren’t subsidized you moron. Solar and wind sure as hell are. But you already know that. It was on your taxes.

Fossil fuels are also subsidized.

Fossil fuels are underpriced by a whopping $5.2 trillion

That's Marxist propaganda. Do you imagine that using wood to heat our homes would cause less damage to the environment?

Nothing was said about wood heating homes. You said that fossil fuels were not subsidized. I simply provided a link showing that they are.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Fossil fuels have systematically allowed you to be a lazy piece of shit winter and summer to sit on your pc bitching about the fucking temperature.

You better hope Bernie doesn’t win because if fossil fuels go away you die.

I use less, I have solar and just like the fossil fuel industry part of it was subsidized as it should be.

Fossil fuels aren’t subsidized you moron. Solar and wind sure as hell are. But you already know that. It was on your taxes.

Fossil fuels are also subsidized.

Fossil fuels are underpriced by a whopping $5.2 trillion

That's Marxist propaganda. Do you imagine that using wood to heat our homes would cause less damage to the environment?

Nothing was said about wood heating homes. You said that fossil fuels were not subsidized. I simply provided a link showing that they are.

There are some states who want to ban burning wood as a means to heat your home.

 

[ABikerSailor]

If you mean reusable bottles and Teslas, sure.

Your phone is 99% plastic, Dufus.

It is and I keep it for as long as I can. I don't think it's possible to completely reduce our carbon footprint, however we need to reduce, we don't have much of a choice.

Why do we not have much of a choice? I think our choices are pretty clear.

I was lucky enough to tour a recycling facility about two years ago and it was eye opening. The sheer amount of waste being sent there from just the surrounding area was embarrassing in my opinion, and a pretty good percentage of it was still slated for a landfill due to contamination. This was just one facility in a relatively rural area of Oregon and so if you try to picture that same scene but probably larger and scattered across the US in every major city and cities in-between we generate a lot of waste that mostly goes to landfills. I think there has to be a way that we can try to make a personal choice to help reduce what we throw away in my opinion. I don't think there needs to be a political agenda or political angle to it, it's just being responsible stewards of a place that we are blessed to live in.

Back in the 60's and perhaps early 70's, we used to return bottles for a refund of the charge they assessed to us upon the purchase of the product. We returned everything: milk bottles, orange juice bottles, pop, beer, you name it, and it was returnable.

So yes, we can do that, but I think most would object to hauling twenty pounds of bottles back to the store every week.

Most adults might bitch about hauling bottles back to the store, but I know that as a kid, collecting bottles and selling them back to the store was how I made pocket money.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I use less, I have solar and just like the fossil fuel industry part of it was subsidized as it should be.

Fossil fuels aren’t subsidized you moron. Solar and wind sure as hell are. But you already know that. It was on your taxes.

Fossil fuels are also subsidized.

Fossil fuels are underpriced by a whopping $5.2 trillion

That's Marxist propaganda. Do you imagine that using wood to heat our homes would cause less damage to the environment?

Nothing was said about wood heating homes. You said that fossil fuels were not subsidized. I simply provided a link showing that they are.

There are some states who want to ban burning wood as a means to heat your home.

Really? Got a link for those states? Wood burning stoves were pretty much a staple in the homes I grew up in. And, I lived in Montana, Wyoming and Colorado as a kid.

 

[TRFjr]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

so when should I expect you to hand over your car
you sure in the hell don't want to continue contributing to their criminality now do you
hell best you just stop living because every dam thing you consume the oil companies have ties to from the food you eat to the house you live in

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Your phone is 99% plastic, Dufus.

It is and I keep it for as long as I can. I don't think it's possible to completely reduce our carbon footprint, however we need to reduce, we don't have much of a choice.

Why do we not have much of a choice? I think our choices are pretty clear.

I was lucky enough to tour a recycling facility about two years ago and it was eye opening. The sheer amount of waste being sent there from just the surrounding area was embarrassing in my opinion, and a pretty good percentage of it was still slated for a landfill due to contamination. This was just one facility in a relatively rural area of Oregon and so if you try to picture that same scene but probably larger and scattered across the US in every major city and cities in-between we generate a lot of waste that mostly goes to landfills. I think there has to be a way that we can try to make a personal choice to help reduce what we throw away in my opinion. I don't think there needs to be a political agenda or political angle to it, it's just being responsible stewards of a place that we are blessed to live in.

Back in the 60's and perhaps early 70's, we used to return bottles for a refund of the charge they assessed to us upon the purchase of the product. We returned everything: milk bottles, orange juice bottles, pop, beer, you name it, and it was returnable.

So yes, we can do that, but I think most would object to hauling twenty pounds of bottles back to the store every week.

Most adults might bitch about hauling bottles back to the store, but I know that as a kid, collecting bottles and selling them back to the store was how I made pocket money.

I did the same at construction sights.
Of course the big cash cow came at three in the morning when we climbed the fence and made off with all their bottles.
Same with coyote ears. They tossed em in the dumpster and we retrieved them only to turn em in the next day.

 

[HappyJoy]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

so when should I expect you to hand over your car
you sure in the hell don't want to continue contributing to their criminality now do you
hell best you just stop living because every dam thing you consume the oil companies have ties to from the food you eat to the house you live in

Not handing over my car. The fossil fuel industry created a cottage industry of denialism that has retarded our efforts to combat climate change because people like you vote for idiots who accept their money.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Fossil fuels aren’t subsidized you moron. Solar and wind sure as hell are. But you already know that. It was on your taxes.

Fossil fuels are also subsidized.

Fossil fuels are underpriced by a whopping $5.2 trillion

That's Marxist propaganda. Do you imagine that using wood to heat our homes would cause less damage to the environment?

Nothing was said about wood heating homes. You said that fossil fuels were not subsidized. I simply provided a link showing that they are.

There are some states who want to ban burning wood as a means to heat your home.

Really? Got a link for those states? Wood burning stoves were pretty much a staple in the homes I grew up in. And, I lived in Montana, Wyoming and Colorado as a kid.

It's common knowledge for those who follow the news.
EPA's Wood-Burning Stove Ban Has Chilling Consequences For Many Rural People

 

[TRFjr]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

so when should I expect you to hand over your car
you sure in the hell don't want to continue contributing to their criminality now do you
hell best you just stop living because every dam thing you consume the oil companies have ties to from the food you eat to the house you live in

Not handing over my car. The fossil fuel industry created a cottage industry of denialism that has retarded our efforts to combat climate change because people like you vote for idiots who accept their money.

then you once again have been exposed as a hypocrite

 

[HappyJoy]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

so when should I expect you to hand over your car
you sure in the hell don't want to continue contributing to their criminality now do you
hell best you just stop living because every dam thing you consume the oil companies have ties to from the food you eat to the house you live in

Not handing over my car. The fossil fuel industry created a cottage industry of denialism that has retarded our efforts to combat climate change because people like you vote for idiots who accept their money.

then you once again have been exposed as a hypocrite

Actually never. I've never said everyone should give up their cars. What I have said is lying to the public, consumers and shareholders should have a price attached to it.

 

[WillMunny]

Since that Bernie swine is at least 30 years older than me (and I'm in perfect health), I have the satisfaction of knowing that infected-urine-bucket of a human being is going to die long before me. That walking spoonful of diarrhea is pure, absolute, treasonous evil. He's a 77-year-old dried-up turd who throws screaming baby tantrums and a bunch of young people with empty brains lapped it up, the same way young liberals lap up muslim semen (which the old pig supports).

 

[bripat9643]

Fossil fuels have systematically allowed you to be a lazy piece of shit winter and summer to sit on your pc bitching about the fucking temperature.

You better hope Bernie doesn’t win because if fossil fuels go away you die.

I use less, I have solar and just like the fossil fuel industry part of it was subsidized as it should be.

Fossil fuels aren’t subsidized you moron. Solar and wind sure as hell are. But you already know that. It was on your taxes.

Fossil fuels are also subsidized.

Fossil fuels are underpriced by a whopping $5.2 trillion

That's Marxist propaganda. Do you imagine that using wood to heat our homes would cause less damage to the environment?

Nothing was said about wood heating homes. You said that fossil fuels were not subsidized. I simply provided a link showing that they are.

Your link points at Marxist propaganda. Part of its claimed is based on the supposed environmental damage fossil fuels supposedly cause. That assumes the alternative causes no damage. What is the alternative that does the job and causes no damage?

 

[bripat9643]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

so when should I expect you to hand over your car
you sure in the hell don't want to continue contributing to their criminality now do you
hell best you just stop living because every dam thing you consume the oil companies have ties to from the food you eat to the house you live in

Not handing over my car. The fossil fuel industry created a cottage industry of denialism that has retarded our efforts to combat climate change because people like you vote for idiots who accept their money.

then you once again have been exposed as a hypocrite

Actually never. I've never said everyone should give up their cars. What I have said is lying to the public, consumers and shareholders should have a price attached to it.

What did they lie about? You keep evading an answer to that question.

 

[TRFjr]

want to save the planet stop forcing people to by being punitive and start awarding them for contributing

had a small town in my state that wanted to do its part so it started a voluntary recycling effort asked the residences to sign up and they gave them bins to put the recyclables in
there wasn't enough that signed up to justify the manpower and gas used to pick up those recyclables so they held a city council meeting to discuss and vote for forced recycling and a member of the town council proposed instead of forcing people why don't we incentive them by giving them a 10% reduction on their water bill for participating they are now at 99% participation and the money they are making on their recyclables more than made up for the 10% deduction on water bills

 

[bripat9643]

I don't know about throwing them in jail, suing them isn't a half bad idea. The fossil fuel industry has systematically lied to the public much like the tobacco industry did.

Anyway, for those curious here is a read:

It’s Time to Try Fossil-Fuel Executives for Crimes Against Humanity

Have fun.

so when should I expect you to hand over your car
you sure in the hell don't want to continue contributing to their criminality now do you
hell best you just stop living because every dam thing you consume the oil companies have ties to from the food you eat to the house you live in

Not handing over my car. The fossil fuel industry created a cottage industry of denialism that has retarded our efforts to combat climate change because people like you vote for idiots who accept their money.

Global warming is a con. The fossil fuel industry isn't responsible for the AGW alarmists having no credibility.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Fossil fuels are also subsidized.

Fossil fuels are underpriced by a whopping $5.2 trillion

That's Marxist propaganda. Do you imagine that using wood to heat our homes would cause less damage to the environment?

Nothing was said about wood heating homes. You said that fossil fuels were not subsidized. I simply provided a link showing that they are.

There are some states who want to ban burning wood as a means to heat your home.

Really? Got a link for those states? Wood burning stoves were pretty much a staple in the homes I grew up in. And, I lived in Montana, Wyoming and Colorado as a kid.

It's common knowledge for those who follow the news.
EPA's Wood-Burning Stove Ban Has Chilling Consequences For Many Rural People

Hate to tell you, but that article is from 2014. And, with all the regulations Trump got rid of, I'd be willing to bet they are in use again.

Here's a website that is a bit more current. And, while in some states they may issue a red burn warning, it means that if you have a stove that isn't EPA certified, when the red warning is in effect (usually during air inversions), you can't use your stove below 7,000 feet in 7 areas around Denver, unless it's EPA certified. But, if there is no ban in effect, you can use your stove.

Ordinances and Regulations for Wood-Burning Appliances | US EPA

I trust the EPA website more than I trust your opinion piece from Forbes that is over 5 years old.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

That's Marxist propaganda. Do you imagine that using wood to heat our homes would cause less damage to the environment?

Nothing was said about wood heating homes. You said that fossil fuels were not subsidized. I simply provided a link showing that they are.

There are some states who want to ban burning wood as a means to heat your home.

Really? Got a link for those states? Wood burning stoves were pretty much a staple in the homes I grew up in. And, I lived in Montana, Wyoming and Colorado as a kid.

It's common knowledge for those who follow the news.
EPA's Wood-Burning Stove Ban Has Chilling Consequences For Many Rural People

Hate to tell you, but that article is from 2014. And, with all the regulations Trump got rid of, I'd be willing to bet they are in use again.

Here's a website that is a bit more current. And, while in some states they may issue a red burn warning, it means that if you have a stove that isn't EPA certified, when the red warning is in effect (usually during air inversions), you can't use your stove below 7,000 feet in 7 areas around Denver, unless it's EPA certified. But, if there is no ban in effect, you can use your stove.

Ordinances and Regulations for Wood-Burning Appliances | US EPA

I trust the EPA website more than I trust your opinion piece from Forbes that is over 5 years old.

So you can thank Trump.....