Biden Calls For A Gun Ban After Colorado Shooting

[easyt65]

How do you propose one does that without expanding back ground checks to private sales?

1. INSANITY:
Democrats seeking to expand background checks on people trying to legally purchase a gun in an attempt to stop a future crime while fighting to prevent the use of a voter ID intended to stop future crime.

2. BTW: The Syrian underwent a background check that reportedly signaled a few red flags that should have prevented him from being able to purchase his weapon. The existing background check WORKED. What failed was the gun seller who missed / ignored those red flags. In this case, to prevent that from happening again, the seller needs to be punished as well. Strip them of their license to sell firearms. Allow victims to sue the gun seller for selling this weapon.

3. There is no new registration / laws that can be passed that would have prevented this shooting.

4. WHEN are Democrats going to address Mental Illness, as they have repeatedly promised to do. What is NOT needed, however, is the Democrats plan to call someone mentally unfit to own a weapon, their home is raided, their guns are taken - treated as GUILTY before ever being tested or proven to be mentally unfit. The gun owner then must hire a lawyer, get a mental test to PROVE THEIR INNOCENCE, and then wait months for a court dat to appear before a judge and have to fight to prove their innocence instead of 'Innocent Until Proven Guilty'.

 

[easyt65]

Sure. I don't disagree but I was addressing the statement about "banning Muslims" from owning guns. Would they not do the same thing?

My suggestion about banning Muslims from being able to own weapons in the US, of course, was posted in JEST....but the idea of making it illegal for LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS from owning weapons, to strip LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS of their 2nd Amendment Rights is just as stupid / wrong, IF NOT MORE SO.

 

[pknopp]

How do you propose one does that without expanding back ground checks to private sales?

1. INSANITY:
Democrats seeking to expand background checks on people trying to legally purchase a gun in an attempt to stop a future crime while fighting to prevent the use of a voter ID intended to stop future crime.

2. BTW: The Syrian underwent a background check that reportedly signaled a few red flags that should have prevented him from being able to purchase his weapon. The existing background check WORKED. What failed was the gun seller who missed / ignored those red flags. In this case, to prevent that from happening again, the seller needs to be punished as well. Strip them of their license to sell firearms. Allow victims to sue the gun seller for selling this weapon.

3. There is no new registration / laws that can be passed that would have prevented this shooting.

4. WHEN are Democrats going to address Mental Illness, as they have repeatedly promised to do. What is NOT needed, however, is the Democrats plan to call someone mentally unfit to own a weapon, their home is raided, their guns are taken - treated as GUILTY before ever being tested or proven to be mentally unfit. The gun owner then must hire a lawyer, get a mental test to PROVE THEIR INNOCENCE, and then wait months for a court dat to appear before a judge and have to fight to prove their innocence instead of 'Innocent Until Proven Guilty'.

LOL, Republicans are going to support the expansion of health care? (not that you will address this either),

Please explain how you propose we ban Muslims from owning guns?

 

[pknopp]

Sure. I don't disagree but I was addressing the statement about "banning Muslims" from owning guns. Would they not do the same thing?

My suggestion about banning Muslims from being able to own weapons in the US, of course, was posted in JEST....but the idea of making it illegal for LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS from owning weapons, to strip LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS of their 2nd Amendment Rights is just as stupid / wrong, IF NOT MORE SO.

So why not propose things that might actually work as opposed to proposals made in jest?

I agree we need to create programs that allow people who need mental health services available to them. You can't do that though when one fights against any and all expanded health care programs.

I support ending all gun ownership laws and enact UHC and start a conversation about what we can do about those with obvious mental health issues especially those who have shown a propensity to violence.

 

[easyt65]

HERE'S AN IDEA:

When the US government can prove it can take the illegal guns out of the hands of the gangs, thugs, robbers, and murderers in Chicago, Ill....when it can STOP double-digit shootings, double-digit woundings, double-digit MURDERS every weekend in Chicago, when it proves it can 100% successfully protect every innocent man, woman, and CHILD, when Chicago / the Federal Govt can prove it can massively reduce / end the record-setting murder rate there in Chicago, THEN we can talk about the government's desire to strip law-abiding citizens of their 2nd Amendment rights.

 

[WTF19]

So some liberal extremist, Trump-Hating Whack-a-doodle with a Muslim-sounding name goes on a shooting spree, and Biden and the Democrats rush to use this as an excuse to strip LAW-ABIDING citizens of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

During the foreign-funded Democrat-supported domestic-terrorist violence of Antifa looting, pillaging, destroying, arsonist, raping, assaulting, and murdering Antifa terrorist acts in Democrat-run communities all over the country - that caused BILLIONS of dollars in damage and destroyed many Americans businesses / dreams...

Democrats arrested a couple for holding their legally-owned, Constitutionally protected personal weapons on their own property in front of their own house - in a 'Stand-Your Ground' state, to protect themselves and ther home from violent protestors who threatened their lives and threatened to burn down their House.

The trespassing terrorists were arrested for trespassing....and have already been released. The case by a liberal extremist AG against the couple is still on-going, has not been dropped, despite the fact that they did not do anything illegal and a bipartisan effort to get the charges dropped is on-going.

Biden and the Democrats, who are just screwing the majority of Americans as hard as they can as fast as they can have turned DC into the Iraqi 'Green Zone' defended by National Guard Troops because they are so deathly afraid that the Americans they are screwing and whose country they are turning into a 3rd-world socialist tyrannical country are going to rise up against them for what they are doing.

To ensure a successful revolt against their tyrannical transformation f this nation into a single-party Socialist state they HAVE to take the guns out of the hands of the people.

'Hell yes, we are coming after your AR-15s!'
- A bill has already been submitted by proven CCP Espionage Facilitator Diane Feinstein

Hell YES, we are coming for your guns. There was never any doubt.

Biden calls on Senate to pass gun control measures 'immediately' after Boulder shooting

President Biden on Tuesday implored the Senate to pass new gun control measures in the wake of a mass shooting that left 10 dead in Boulder, Colorado, this week.

www.foxnews.com

Gun control isn't a gun ban. No reasonable person should believe that's the case.

Yes it is, because it violates the principles of a democratic republic, and creates a 2 tiered society. Eventually that can only lead to a draconian dictatorship where one elite group decides what the rest of the people can and can not do. The only people we abuse now are minors, and we only do that temporarily. What you suggest is permanent and totally arbitrary, in absolutely violation of the constitution, like the first amendment. To prove to yourself that you are wrong, just consider that the most dangerous people in our society right now ARE the police. So does your plan decrease or increase abuses by police?

What plan? I'm just asking for people to be reasonable. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact, after all.

responsible AMERICANS do not need irresponsible, whine asses telling us they are afraid of guns. get a life

 

[WTF19]

Sure. I don't disagree but I was addressing the statement about "banning Muslims" from owning guns. Would they not do the same thing?

My suggestion about banning Muslims from being able to own weapons in the US, of course, was posted in JEST....but the idea of making it illegal for LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS from owning weapons, to strip LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS of their 2nd Amendment Rights is just as stupid / wrong, IF NOT MORE SO.

So why not propose things that might actually work as opposed to proposals made in jest?

I agree we need to create programs that allow people who need mental health services available to them. You can't do that though when one fights against any and all expanded health care programs.

I support ending all gun ownership laws and enact UHC and start a conversation about what we can do about those with obvious mental health issues especially those who have shown a propensity to violence.

this is because you are totally un-educated regarding guns. i support putting people like you on a deserted island, w/1 gun, lets see who kills in order to live

 

[Kondor3]

...If someone with felony convictions wants to buy gun(s), and a background check would flag the private sale, then that person will just get a friend to do the purchase or find someone who won't do the background check......as there are a gazillion people willing to do that.

The way around that is to make it a serious felony to do so, and then to aggressively and broadly prosecute such cases, until the volume becomes minimal.

 

[easyt65]

So why not propose things that might actually work as opposed to proposals made in jest?

Name it, shy of stripping law-abiding citizens of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

Colorado has about every gun law out there, to include a RED FLAG law. which calls for friends and FAMILY to report the individual...which DID NOT HAPPEN. TWO family members have come forwarded and said they have seen his paranoia, playing with weapons, and that they believed he had mental issues...but never reported him.

There are enough laws out there - they are just NOT being exercised / enforced...so we DON'T need MORE laws or out Constitutional Rights stripped.

 

[pknopp]

Sure. I don't disagree but I was addressing the statement about "banning Muslims" from owning guns. Would they not do the same thing?

My suggestion about banning Muslims from being able to own weapons in the US, of course, was posted in JEST....but the idea of making it illegal for LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS from owning weapons, to strip LAW-ABIDING CITIZENS of their 2nd Amendment Rights is just as stupid / wrong, IF NOT MORE SO.

So why not propose things that might actually work as opposed to proposals made in jest?

I agree we need to create programs that allow people who need mental health services available to them. You can't do that though when one fights against any and all expanded health care programs.

I support ending all gun ownership laws and enact UHC and start a conversation about what we can do about those with obvious mental health issues especially those who have shown a propensity to violence.

this is because you are totally un-educated regarding guns. i support putting people like you on a deserted island, w/1 gun, lets see who kills in order to live

Odd that you only reply with insults as opposed to making a rational argument as to why I am wrong. Typical.

 

[pknopp]

So why not propose things that might actually work as opposed to proposals made in jest?

Name it, shy of stripping law-abiding citizens of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

Colorado has about every gun law out there, to include a RED FLAG law. which calls for friends and FAMILY to report the individual...which DID NOT HAPPEN. TWO family members have come forwarded and said they have seen his paranoia, playing with weapons, and that they believed he had mental issues...but never reported him.

There are enough laws out there - they are just NOT being exercised / enforced...so we DON'T need MORE laws or out Constitutional Rights stripped.

I did. Make health care, specifically mental health care available to those who need it and then have a discussion about that to do with those who have known violent mental health issues.

 

[AMart]

...If someone with felony convictions wants to buy gun(s), and a background check would flag the private sale, then that person will just get a friend to do the purchase or find someone who won't do the background check......as there are a gazillion people willing to do that.

The way around that is to make it a serious felony to do so, and then to aggressively and broadly prosecute such cases, until the volume becomes minimal.

So you want something that is largely legal in the USA, private sales no background check depending on the state, and make that a federal felony punishable with years in jail? You are not even targeting crime, you are creating criminals out of thin air. How many private sale hood transactions do you think occur in the USA annually?

 

[DBA]

I support ending all gun ownership laws and enact UHC and start a conversation about what we can do about those with obvious mental health issues especially those who have shown a propensity to violence.

Wow, this is about as left-wing nuts as one can go.

 

[konradv]

So some liberal extremist, Trump-Hating Whack-a-doodle with a Muslim-sounding name goes on a shooting spree, and Biden and the Democrats rush to use this as an excuse to strip LAW-ABIDING citizens of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

During the foreign-funded Democrat-supported domestic-terrorist violence of Antifa looting, pillaging, destroying, arsonist, raping, assaulting, and murdering Antifa terrorist acts in Democrat-run communities all over the country - that caused BILLIONS of dollars in damage and destroyed many Americans businesses / dreams...

Democrats arrested a couple for holding their legally-owned, Constitutionally protected personal weapons on their own property in front of their own house - in a 'Stand-Your Ground' state, to protect themselves and ther home from violent protestors who threatened their lives and threatened to burn down their House.

The trespassing terrorists were arrested for trespassing....and have already been released. The case by a liberal extremist AG against the couple is still on-going, has not been dropped, despite the fact that they did not do anything illegal and a bipartisan effort to get the charges dropped is on-going.

Biden and the Democrats, who are just screwing the majority of Americans as hard as they can as fast as they can have turned DC into the Iraqi 'Green Zone' defended by National Guard Troops because they are so deathly afraid that the Americans they are screwing and whose country they are turning into a 3rd-world socialist tyrannical country are going to rise up against them for what they are doing.

To ensure a successful revolt against their tyrannical transformation f this nation into a single-party Socialist state they HAVE to take the guns out of the hands of the people.

'Hell yes, we are coming after your AR-15s!'
- A bill has already been submitted by proven CCP Espionage Facilitator Diane Feinstein

Hell YES, we are coming for your guns. There was never any doubt.

Biden calls on Senate to pass gun control measures 'immediately' after Boulder shooting

President Biden on Tuesday implored the Senate to pass new gun control measures in the wake of a mass shooting that left 10 dead in Boulder, Colorado, this week.

www.foxnews.com

Gun control isn't a gun ban. No reasonable person should believe that's the case.

Yes it is, because it violates the principles of a democratic republic, and creates a 2 tiered society. Eventually that can only lead to a draconian dictatorship where one elite group decides what the rest of the people can and can not do. The only people we abuse now are minors, and we only do that temporarily. What you suggest is permanent and totally arbitrary, in absolutely violation of the constitution, like the first amendment. To prove to yourself that you are wrong, just consider that the most dangerous people in our society right now ARE the police. So does your plan decrease or increase abuses by police?

What plan? I'm just asking for people to be reasonable. The 2nd amendment isn't a suicide pact, after all.

responsible AMERICANS do not need irresponsible, whine asses telling us they are afraid of guns. get a life

Who said I was afraid of guns? I'm afraid of those who wield guns irresponsibly and those who enable them. A reasonable person should realize that, but I see you aren't one of them.

 

[Kondor3]

...So you want something that is largely legal in the USA, private sales no background check depending on the state, and make that a federal felony punishable with years in jail? You are not even targeting crime, you are creating criminals out of thin air. How many private sale hood transactions do you think occur in the USA annually?

If it becomes illegal to transfer a firearm without prior approval ( background check, etc. ) then yes, I want those who attempt to circumvent such laws to be prosecuted.

Why? Because better control of firearms transfers ( sales, inheritance, gifting, loans, etc. ) are designed to regulate Killing Devices, and that's too serious NOT to enforce.

And because the problem is so widespread that we have to start somewhere and not be intimidated by the size and scope of the challenge.

 

[easyt65]

I did. Make health care, specifically mental health care available to those who need it and then have a discussion about that to do with those who have known violent mental health issues.

I have made that same argument. MILLIONS of Americans ave called for this. DEMOCRATS have promised this - giving LIP SERVICE to it then pivot straight back to gun control / limiting 2nd Amendment Rights / eliminating the 2nd Amendment.

Democrats are full of shit when it comes to real ideas or enforcement of existing law. Their goal is to get rid of Americans' right to own weapons....the reason why is the same reason they have turned DC ointo the Iraqi 'Green Zone'. They are afraid of the American people and a possible revolt against the Democrats destruction of this nation and their conversion into Socialism / oppressive tyranny.

 

[easyt65]

The FBI has admitted they had this guy under monitoring / investigation because he is connected to another Syrian they believe might be a terrorist...so where were they in this one?

 

[pknopp]

I support ending all gun ownership laws and enact UHC and start a conversation about what we can do about those with obvious mental health issues especially those who have shown a propensity to violence.

Wow, this is about as left-wing nuts as one can go.

You don't even have a clue what I said. You support more gun laws?

 

[SC Patriot]

So some liberal extremist, Trump-Hating Whack-a-doodle with a Muslim-sounding name goes on a shooting spree, and Biden and the Democrats rush to use this as an excuse to strip LAW-ABIDING citizens of their 2nd Amendment Rights.

During the foreign-funded Democrat-supported domestic-terrorist violence of Antifa looting, pillaging, destroying, arsonist, raping, assaulting, and murdering Antifa terrorist acts in Democrat-run communities all over the country - that caused BILLIONS of dollars in damage and destroyed many Americans businesses / dreams...

Democrats arrested a couple for holding their legally-owned, Constitutionally protected personal weapons on their own property in front of their own house - in a 'Stand-Your Ground' state, to protect themselves and ther home from violent protestors who threatened their lives and threatened to burn down their House.

The trespassing terrorists were arrested for trespassing....and have already been released. The case by a liberal extremist AG against the couple is still on-going, has not been dropped, despite the fact that they did not do anything illegal and a bipartisan effort to get the charges dropped is on-going.

Biden and the Democrats, who are just screwing the majority of Americans as hard as they can as fast as they can have turned DC into the Iraqi 'Green Zone' defended by National Guard Troops because they are so deathly afraid that the Americans they are screwing and whose country they are turning into a 3rd-world socialist tyrannical country are going to rise up against them for what they are doing.

To ensure a successful revolt against their tyrannical transformation f this nation into a single-party Socialist state they HAVE to take the guns out of the hands of the people.

'Hell yes, we are coming after your AR-15s!'
- A bill has already been submitted by proven CCP Espionage Facilitator Diane Feinstein

Hell YES, we are coming for your guns. There was never any doubt.

Biden calls on Senate to pass gun control measures 'immediately' after Boulder shooting

President Biden on Tuesday implored the Senate to pass new gun control measures in the wake of a mass shooting that left 10 dead in Boulder, Colorado, this week.

www.foxnews.com

Gun control isn't a gun ban. No reasonable person should believe that's the case.

Right. Because a gun at home in your safe is so much protection from a shooter.

konradv: OK, shooter. We're going to let you have it now. We'll make even more sure your victims aren't armed! Now there's no way you'll shoot anyone, huh!?!

Here's a fun fact for you. It was illegal for the shooter to shoot those people. Telling him he can't have a gun is going to work how?

Democrat: Someone with a complete inability to think things through ...

That is a valid argument that gun control advocates refuse to respond to.

Simple...If I want to kill that guy fucking my grilfriend....I can go to Bass Pro Shops and be told I need to go through a background check....or...I can go to the corner and buy a Saturday night special from Chico. Hey....I want to kill someone...who the fuck needs to deal with a background check.....Off to meet with Chico.

Not rocket science.

Those who wish to commit a crime are not worried about what other laws they may be breaking. Especially when the crime is murder.

I mean...what has a longer sentence? Commititing murder or carrying a gun without a license?

Not rocket science.

In all my life I have never seen anyone selling guns on a street corner.

LMAO...the only ones who see them doing it are the ones who are told who to get them from.

Its not like the illegal gun sellers have a stand with a sign "illegal guns for sale"

What a childish response

Still I never see them.

So if you dont see them, they dont exist?
Are you one who believes the only guns sold are sold legally because you dont see those that sell them illegally?

So if you never saw a 60 year old guy rape his 10 year old niece, then there are no pedophiles out there?

Do you not realize that people that commit crimes do all they can to not be seen?

Your attitude toward this conversation is naïve.

 

[pknopp]

I did. Make health care, specifically mental health care available to those who need it and then have a discussion about that to do with those who have known violent mental health issues.

I have made that same argument. MILLIONS of Americans ave called for this. DEMOCRATS have promised this - giving LIP SERVICE to it then pivot straight back to gun control / limiting 2nd Amendment Rights / eliminating the 2nd Amendment.

Democrats are full of shit when it comes to real ideas or enforcement of existing law. Their goal is to get rid of Americans' right to own weapons....the reason why is the same reason they have turned DC ointo the Iraqi 'Green Zone'. They are afraid of the American people and a possible revolt against the Democrats destruction of this nation and their conversion into Socialism / oppressive tyranny.

The Republicans have fought the expansion of health care at every step.