BIG!!!! Latest Gruber video will finish off Obamacare

[ShootSpeeders]

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Socialism is where society (the government) controls production. Having some worthless piece of paper called a "title" that confers no authority to determine how the property is used is meaningless. The more government controls the use of private property, the more socialist it is. Obamacare is a big step in that direction. It has partially nationalized the insurance companies.

At their request. Fact is most businessmen are socialist and will take all the corporate welfare they can get.

 

[Faun]

Look for Captain Choom to simply rewrite the law himself as he has already done like 30 times. The most lawless president in history.

The law CAN be changed by congress if obozo will go to congress and make a deal. But he won't do that. He won't admit he screwed up yet again.

Congress isn't going to make a deal, they are going to try to repeal it.

Here's the thing you guys don't get. Big Insurance actually like the ACA. And the Roberts Court is a Business Court. As much as the rednecks out in the sticks dislike ObamaCare because a black guy came up with it, big business is perfectly fine with it.

Hey genius, they didn't like Hillary 'Her Thighness' Clintons healthcare plan either

-Geaux

Yeah, and to counter HillaryCare, the GOP proposed an individual mandate. Known affectionately these days as ... ObamaCare.

 

[Faun]

The progressive dream is 100% taxation. Why allow the (stupid) people the ability to make any decisions or have "disposable" income?

And yet, the highest income tax rates occurred under a Republican administration.

Not true. The highest rate was in 1944- under a Democrat. Here 8217 s the US tax rate on your income for every year since 1913 8211 Quartz

It wasn't until the 1960's that JFK cut tax rates.... he'd be a Republican today.

Liberals invented the "income tax" ....

Funny thing is your link shows the highest effective tax rate was during the Eisenhower administration. But still, I was talking about tax rates, so I stand corrected ... there was one year during WWII where the top bracket was raised to 94%; whereas it ranged from 91 to 92 percent under Eisenhower until a Liberal Democrat lowered it in 1964.

Your nonsense about JFK is absurd. A) he would not be a Republican today; and B) he never cut taxes.

It was JFK's idea to cut tax rates.....

The president finally decided that only a bold domestic program, including tax cuts, would restore his political momentum. Declaring that the absence of recession is not tantamount to economic growth, the president proposed in 1963 to cut income taxes from a range of 20-91% to 14-65% He also proposed a cut in the corporate tax rate from 52% to 47%. Ironically, economic growth expanded in 1963, and Republicans and conservative Democrats in Congress insisted that reducing taxes without corresponding spending cuts was unacceptable. Kennedy disagreed, arguing that “a rising tide lifts all boats” and that strong economic growth would not continue without lower taxes

The law was passed - It was called the Revenue act of 1964 and was signed into the law by LBJ - Revenue Act of 1964 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So what? You said he cut taxes. He didn't. Johnson did.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

I can easily afford health insurance, but I don't need it and I don't want it.

I refuse to buy a product I do not want and do not need. Until this POS is repealed, I'll pay the tax....

Oh, and good luck collecting the tax.....

Many people think the best way to control health care costs is to ban health insurance. Then people would not run to the doctor for every little thing and would be more inclined to doctor themselves like i've always done.

Fact is until about 60 years ago most americans did NOT have health insurance.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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Oh, and police and fire protection should not be public services. The biggest problem with both is that they are public services - which means the are grossly overpriced and ineffective.

Same with education. Fact is govt can't do anything right.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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People like us (tax payers), were already shaken down. People who can't afford insurance use emergency rooms for health care but wouldn't pay the bill. Tax dollars cover those losses.

And that applies even to illegals!!!. Thirty years ago congress passed the EMTALA act which says even illegals get free health care at hospital ERs. It's supposed to be just for emergencies but illegals use it for everything.

 

[Zander]

The progressive dream is 100% taxation. Why allow the (stupid) people the ability to make any decisions or have "disposable" income?

And yet, the highest income tax rates occurred under a Republican administration.

Not true. The highest rate was in 1944- under a Democrat. Here 8217 s the US tax rate on your income for every year since 1913 8211 Quartz

It wasn't until the 1960's that JFK cut tax rates.... he'd be a Republican today.

Liberals invented the "income tax" ....

Funny thing is your link shows the highest effective tax rate was during the Eisenhower administration. But still, I was talking about tax rates, so I stand corrected ... there was one year during WWII where the top bracket was raised to 94%; whereas it ranged from 91 to 92 percent under Eisenhower until a Liberal Democrat lowered it in 1964.

Your nonsense about JFK is absurd. A) he would not be a Republican today; and B) he never cut taxes.

It was JFK's idea to cut tax rates.....

The president finally decided that only a bold domestic program, including tax cuts, would restore his political momentum. Declaring that the absence of recession is not tantamount to economic growth, the president proposed in 1963 to cut income taxes from a range of 20-91% to 14-65% He also proposed a cut in the corporate tax rate from 52% to 47%. Ironically, economic growth expanded in 1963, and Republicans and conservative Democrats in Congress insisted that reducing taxes without corresponding spending cuts was unacceptable. Kennedy disagreed, arguing that “a rising tide lifts all boats” and that strong economic growth would not continue without lower taxes

The law was passed - It was called the Revenue act of 1964 and was signed into the law by LBJ - Revenue Act of 1964 - Wikipedia the free encyclopedia

So what? You said he cut taxes. He didn't. Johnson did.

You win the internets.......

 

[william the wie]

It would be a waste of political capital to repeal Obamacare. just gut it.

 

[Zander]

It would be a waste of political capital to repeal Obamacare. just gut it.

The fastest way to get rid of Obamacare is to fully enforce it. That's why Obama keeps delaying it......

 

[bripat9643]

Sure it does. I recently went on the Obama cere website to see what it would cost. One plan I looked at for my wife and I was $1200/month and the deductible was $12000. That's $27000 Before the insurance pays a single dime.

That's why your company has to provide you with insurance where they get a group policy with a much lower premium and deductible. Plus, many companies pay a portion of the premium.

So how is Obamacare making healthcare cheaper?

It's cheap for those on low/no income.

Right, because the rest of us are being shaken down to subsidize their rates. It's welfare, in other words.

People like us (tax payers), were already shaken down. People who can't afford insurance use emergency rooms for health care but wouldn't pay the bill. Tax dollars cover those losses. At least now, those bills will be paid by insurance companies only at a loser cost.

Then why is Obamacare more expensive? The previous arrangement was a better deal.

 

[RKMBrown]

Translation: obamacare is communism/socialism. If you work hard you are punished for it... if you are lazy you are rewarded by the state.

Why should the quality of health care you recieve being contingent on your wealth or earning potential? Health care should be a public service like police or fire protection.

If you own something worth protecting like a house you pay taxes on it. When the fire or police come out you already paid for it. When you need a doctor to help you and YOU HAVE NOT PAID FOR HIM TO WORK ON YOU, HE'S NOT YOUR EFFING SLAVE YOU COMMUNIST POS.

 

[Geaux4it]

My healthcare cost were just fine. Not sure why I have to be involved in this disaster

-Geaux

 

[JoeB131]

That's like asking why should the quality of the car you drive or the size of you house be contingent on your wealth or earning potential. Most people, if asked such a question, will just stare at you as if you are clinically insane. That's because you are clinically insane.

Oh, and police and fire protection should not be public services. The biggest problem with both is that they are public services - which means the are grossly overpriced and ineffective.

Okay, guy, in the REST OF THE INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD- healthcare is a public service, not a consumer commodity only deserved by the rich. Most people in the world would look at you as if you were insane if you said, 'Only the rich deserve good health care".

So we spend more than any other country in the world on Health Care (18% of our GDP compared to most other countries that spend 8-11%) and we get the worst results in terms of things like life expectancy and infant mortality.

 

[JoeB131]

If you own something worth protecting like a house you pay taxes on it. When the fire or police come out you already paid for it. When you need a doctor to help you and YOU HAVE NOT PAID FOR HIM TO WORK ON YOU, HE'S NOT YOUR EFFING SLAVE YOU COMMUNIST POS.

Okay, but here's the point. The Fire Department has to treat a fire at my Condo the same way they have to treat a fire at the million dollar mansions that are a few miles away from me. And that's the way it should be. That's their job.

As for Doctor's being "slaves", the fact is he's going to get paid for his services. The only question is, what's the most effective way to do that. A single payer system that covers everyone, or a multi-payer system where that doctor h as to employ three clerks to sort out all the insurance plans, and the CEO's of those plans get paid 8 figure salaries for finding ways to NOT pay that doctor.

 

[JoeB131]

My healthcare cost were just fine. Not sure why I have to be involved in this disaster

-Geaux

You know, that's what I thought until 2008 and I was confronted with a bunch of medical bills and my insurance company insisted my employer fire me.

 

[The Rabbi]

Look for Captain Choom to simply rewrite the law himself as he has already done like 30 times. The most lawless president in history.

The law CAN be changed by congress if obozo will go to congress and make a deal. But he won't do that. He won't admit he screwed up yet again.

Congress isn't going to make a deal, they are going to try to repeal it.

Here's the thing you guys don't get. Big Insurance actually like the ACA. And the Roberts Court is a Business Court. As much as the rednecks out in the sticks dislike ObamaCare because a black guy came up with it, big business is perfectly fine with it.

Hey genius, they didn't like Hillary 'Her Thighness' Clintons healthcare plan either

-Geaux

Yeah, and to counter HillaryCare, the GOP proposed an individual mandate. Known affectionately these days as ... ObamaCare.

That lie has been debunked so many times anyone repeating it reveals himself as a mindless hack. No shock it's you.

 

[ShootSpeeders]

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Okay, guy, in the REST OF THE INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD- healthcare is a public service, not a consumer commodity only deserved by the rich. Most people in the world would look at you as if you were insane if you said, 'Only the rich deserve good health care".

So we spend more than any other country in the world on Health Care (18% of our GDP compared to most other countries that spend 8-11%) and we get the worst results in terms of things like life expectancy and infant mortality.

The rest of the world piggybacks off of american medical innovation. When the govt regulates an industry, all innovation stops.

 

[Siete]

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Okay, guy, in the REST OF THE INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD- healthcare is a public service, not a consumer commodity only deserved by the rich. Most people in the world would look at you as if you were insane if you said, 'Only the rich deserve good health care".

So we spend more than any other country in the world on Health Care (18% of our GDP compared to most other countries that spend 8-11%) and we get the worst results in terms of things like life expectancy and infant mortality.

The rest of the world piggybacks off of american medical innovation. When the govt regulates an industry, all innovation stops.

what a bunch of BS .. the rest of the world. LMAO

1. Adrenaline (epinephrine): Isolated and used to treat asthma by Jokichi Takamine (Japan)
2. Artificial heart: Paul Winchell (USA) holds the original patent for an implantable artificial heart. Oddly enough, he was also an accomplished ventriloquist who was the voice of Tigger in Disney’s Winnie the Pooh
3. Aspirin: Felix Hoffmann (Germany) – he also synthesized heroin
4. Beta blockers: Sir James Black (UK) made a number of contributions to understanding of cardiology for which he was awarded the Nobel Prize in 1988. Among his inventions was the first of a class of beta blocker drugs which among other things offers cardioprotection after a heart attack and reduce high blood pressure.
5. Bone marrow compatibility test: Barbara Bain (Canada)
6. Cardiac pacemaker: The idea for the pacemaker came from J A McWilliam in 1889 (UK). The first external pacemaker was designed and built by John Hopps (Canada). Earl Bakken (USA) developed the first externally wearable pacemaker. The first implantable pacemaker was designed by Rune Elmqvist and Ake Senning (Sweden).
7. CAT scan: Godfrey Hounsfield (UK), Alban Cormac (USA, born in South Africa)
8. Clinical trials: Austin Bradford Hill (UK)
9. Contact lenses: Leonardo Da Vinci (Italy)
10. Electrocardiogram (ECG or EKG) – Justin Ho (UK). The first portable EKG was developed by Taro Takemi (Japan)
11. Fetal monitor: K. Hammacher (Germany), Hewlett-Packard Co (USA, Germany)
12. Heart lung machine: John Heysham Gibbon (USA)
13. Heart transplant: Christiaan Barnard (South Africa) successfully transplanted the first human heart from one person to another
14. Helicobacter pylori:Barry Marshall and Robin Warren (Australia) discovered this bacterium which causes stomach ulcers
15. Hepatitis B vaccine: Baruch Blumberg, Irving Millman (USA)
16. HIV: Luc Montagnier (France) is credited for discovering HIV as the cause for AIDS
17. In vitro fertilization: John Rock (USA) extracted the first intact fertilized human egg. Carl Wood (Australia) pioneered the use of frozen embryos. Patrick Steptoe and Robert Edwards (UK) carried out the first successful procedure resulting in the birth of a healthy infant, Louise Brown.
18. Insulin: Isolated by Frederick Banting, Charles Best, J.J.R. Macleod, James Collip (Canada). They also pioneered the process for using insulin to treat diabetes
19. Medical ultrasound: Karl Theodore Dussik (Austria), Ian Donald (Scotland)
20. Nuclear medicine: Taro Tekemi (Japan)
21. Pasteurization: Developed by Louis Pasteur (France) as a method to kill germs. Pasteur also developed the germ theory of infection
22. Penicillin: Alexander Fleming (Scotland)
23. Polio vaccine: Jonas Salk, Albert Sabin (USA)
24. Smallpox vaccine: Although Edward Jenner (UK) is credited with developing the vaccine, his work was based on an existing innoculation technique brought back from Turkey by Lady Mary Montague. It was Jenner, however, that invented the term “vaccination”
25. Spray-on-skin: Fiona Wood (Australia) developed this for burn victims
26. Structure of DNA: Rosalind Franklin (UK), Francis Crick (UK), James Watson (USA)
27. Surgery: Abu Al-Qasim al-Zahrawi (Andalusia) is considered the father of modern surgery
28. Tuberculosis vaccine: Albert Calmette, Charles Guerin (France)
29. Viagra: Ian Osterloh (UK) – OK, not that significant, but interesting
30. Xray: Wilhelm Konrad Roentgen (Germany)

 

[bripat9643]

That's like asking why should the quality of the car you drive or the size of you house be contingent on your wealth or earning potential. Most people, if asked such a question, will just stare at you as if you are clinically insane. That's because you are clinically insane.

Oh, and police and fire protection should not be public services. The biggest problem with both is that they are public services - which means the are grossly overpriced and ineffective.

Okay, guy, in the REST OF THE INDUSTRIALIZED WORLD- healthcare is a public service, not a consumer commodity only deserved by the rich. Most people in the world would look at you as if you were insane if you said, 'Only the rich deserve good health care".

So we spend more than any other country in the world on Health Care (18% of our GDP compared to most other countries that spend 8-11%) and we get the worst results in terms of things like life expectancy and infant mortality.

only a short while ago healthcare was privately run in virtually every country in the world, and it worked just fine, so why would any intelligent person think going back to a tested successful system is insane?

 

[JoeB131]

The rest of the world piggybacks off of american medical innovation. When the govt regulates an industry, all innovation stops.

Not really.