Bill introduced to ban Howard Zinn's books from public schools

[Book of Jeremiah]

I'm not in favor of any book banning...it's a slippery slope

Agreed. Let local school districts and parents decide what books to use.

It's about to be decided with this bill and I, for one, would like to see his books banned. Marxist educators produce Marxists. This isn't rocket science.

And when they decide to ban...oh say the Bible? Will you still support book banning?

They already banned the Bible from School curriculum. Where have you been?

Not in our's schools. Another reason ours attend private schools

I applaud your decision to not let your children attend public school. You're a good parent, SassyIrishLass.

 

[The Original Tree]

I'm not in favor of any book banning...it's a slippery slope

Howard Zinn was teaching a class, but he wasn’t yet a professor and his classroom wasn’t at a university. It was late 1951, and the students who gathered for Zinn’s lessons in Brooklyn were his fellow members of the Communist Party USA.

One of Zinn’s comrades described him as “a person with some authority” within the local CPUSA section and said that Zinn’s class was on “basic Marxism,” the theme being “that the basic teachings of Marx and Lenin were sound and should be adhered to by those present.”

That description, furnished to the Federal Bureau of Investigation by a former Communist in 1957, is included in more than 400 pages of Zinn’s FBI file made public last week.

The FBI files demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that Zinn — author of A People’s History of the United States, widely used as a textbook or supplement in many of our nation’s high schools and universities — was a card-carrying Communist at a time when the Soviet Union was America’s most dreaded enemy.

File No. 100-360217 was begun in March 1949 in response to an order from FBI director J. Edgar Hoover to Edward Scheidt, special agent in charge of the Bureau’s New York office. Zinn’s name had previously surfaced in connection with other FBI investigations of Communist Party activities, but a new report from an unnamed agent marked Zinn as a subject of special interest.

In 1948, an FBI confidential informant had spoken to Zinn at a protest in front of the White House and reported that, during the course of their conversation, “Zinn indicated that he is a member of the Communist Party and that he attends Party meetings five nights a week in Brooklyn.” Zinn, who was then a 26-year-old Army Air Force veteran attending New York University, expressed to the informant his support for Henry Wallace’s third-party “Progressive” presidential campaign, “indicating that the Communist Party was 100% behind this Movement,” according to the FBI file.

Additional investigation showed that Zinn was active in several Communist-dominated “front groups,” and that in 1947 Zinn was a delegate to a conference of the Joint Anti-Fascist Refugee Committee, which had been designated a subversive organization by the Attorney General pursuant to a 1947 executive order of President Truman. Furthermore, according to another informant, Zinn’s Brooklyn address “appeared on a list of addressograph stencils at Communist Party Headquarters” in New York.

The Case Against Howard Zinn

Sorry but when you start banning books where does it stop? Classics such as Huck Finn and others are under fire. I just don't agree with it

Books that have lies and errors and revisionist history should be removed from libraries & schools. They will still be available in Public Libraries.

Lefty can read his Fairy Tales there.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

Agreed. Let local school districts and parents decide what books to use.

It's about to be decided with this bill and I, for one, would like to see his books banned. Marxist educators produce Marxists. This isn't rocket science.

And when they decide to ban...oh say the Bible? Will you still support book banning?

They already banned the Bible from School curriculum. Where have you been?

Not in our's schools. Another reason ours attend private schools

I applaud your decision to not let your children attend public school. You're a good parent, SassyIrishLass.

The left will never get their grimy paws on our children.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

Kids can read it anytime online...

Along with Mein Kampf and the Communist Manifesto. It belongs with those works.

NONE of these are appropriate as the text for an American History class, though.

SassyIrishLass thought the book was being used as a discussion.. I don't believe she would ever advocate using Communist propaganda for text book purposes.

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

It's about to be decided with this bill and I, for one, would like to see his books banned. Marxist educators produce Marxists. This isn't rocket science.

And when they decide to ban...oh say the Bible? Will you still support book banning?

They already banned the Bible from School curriculum. Where have you been?

Not in our's schools. Another reason ours attend private schools

I applaud your decision to not let your children attend public school. You're a good parent, SassyIrishLass.

The left will never get their grimy paws on our children.

I'm with you.

 

[Pogo]

I'm not in favor of any book banning...it's a slippery slope

Agreed. Let local school districts and parents decide what books to use.

It's about to be decided with this bill and I, for one, would like to see his books banned. Marxist educators produce Marxists. This isn't rocket science.

Ah, you must be one of that crowd that thinks kids are some kind of sponge-robot race incapable of critical thought, who will simply record and repeat whoever reaches them first, GIGO with never a question on any of it.

That's so cute.

Reminds me of the time, must have been fourth grade or so, that my elementary school teacher launched off an ultra-right wing jingoistic American Exceptionalism tirade. Its effect was actually pretty deep --- stayed with me about two hours. That's way longer than when they tried to sell the concepts of "original sin" and "Satan".

 

[Book of Jeremiah]

I'm not in favor of any book banning...it's a slippery slope

Howard Zinn was teaching a class, but he wasn’t yet a professor and his classroom wasn’t at a university. It was late 1951, and the students who gathered for Zinn’s lessons in Brooklyn were his fellow members of the Communist Party USA.

One of Zinn’s comrades described him as “a person with some authority” within the local CPUSA section and said that Zinn’s class was on “basic Marxism,” the theme being “that the basic teachings of Marx and Lenin were sound and should be adhered to by those present.”

That description, furnished to the Federal Bureau of Investigation by a former Communist in 1957, is included in more than 400 pages of Zinn’s FBI file made public last week.

The FBI files demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt that Zinn — author of A People’s History of the United States, widely used as a textbook or supplement in many of our nation’s high schools and universities — was a card-carrying Communist at a time when the Soviet Union was America’s most dreaded enemy.

File No. 100-360217 was begun in March 1949 in response to an order from FBI director J. Edgar Hoover to Edward Scheidt, special agent in charge of the Bureau’s New York office. Zinn’s name had previously surfaced in connection with other FBI investigations of Communist Party activities, but a new report from an unnamed agent marked Zinn as a subject of special interest.

In 1948, an FBI confidential informant had spoken to Zinn at a protest in front of the White House and reported that, during the course of their conversation, “Zinn indicated that he is a member of the Communist Party and that he attends Party meetings five nights a week in Brooklyn.” Zinn, who was then a 26-year-old Army Air Force veteran attending New York University, expressed to the informant his support for Henry Wallace’s third-party “Progressive” presidential campaign, “indicating that the Communist Party was 100% behind this Movement,” according to the FBI file.

Additional investigation showed that Zinn was active in several Communist-dominated “front groups,” and that in 1947 Zinn was a delegate to a conference of the Joint Anti-Fascist Refugee Committee, which had been designated a subversive organization by the Attorney General pursuant to a 1947 executive order of President Truman. Furthermore, according to another informant, Zinn’s Brooklyn address “appeared on a list of addressograph stencils at Communist Party Headquarters” in New York.

The Case Against Howard Zinn

Sorry but when you start banning books where does it stop? Classics such as Huck Finn and others are under fire. I just don't agree with it

Books that have lies and errors and revisionist history should be removed from libraries & schools. They will still be available in Public Libraries.

Lefty can read his Fairy Tales there.

They were using his book as a textbook therein giving it a stamp of approval for education of our students.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Where did I say it was? But again that's for parents and schools to decide, not politicians or you

Except that it IS politicians and leftist academicians who have corrupted our schools with this bit of agitprop. Few parents have any idea what history book is used by the school their child is in.

I don't promote banning this, it should be in the Library along with Mein Kampf and Das Kapital. It is simply not appropriate to teach classes from, no more than those other two are.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I'm not in favor of any book banning...it's a slippery slope

Agreed. Let local school districts and parents decide what books to use.

It's about to be decided with this bill and I, for one, would like to see his books banned. Marxist educators produce Marxists. This isn't rocket science.

Ah, you must be one of that crowd that thinks kids are some kind of sponge-robot race incapable of critical thought, who will simply record and repeat whoever reaches them first, GIGO with never a question on any of it.

That's so cute.

Our children....not yours. You may go now

 

[SassyIrishLass]

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Where did I say it was? But again that's for parents and schools to decide, not politicians or you

Except that it IS politicians and leftist academicians who have corrupted our schools with this bit of agitprop. Few parents have any idea what history book is used by the school their child is in.

I don't promote banning this, it should be in the Library along with Mein Kampf and Das Kapital. It is simply not appropriate to teach classes from, no more than those other two are.

Leftists are under some misguided ideal that children belong to society, they don't, they belong to parents

 

[The Original Tree]

I'm not in favor of any book banning...it's a slippery slope

Agreed. Let local school districts and parents decide what books to use.

It's about to be decided with this bill and I, for one, would like to see his books banned. Marxist educators produce Marxists. This isn't rocket science.

Ah, you must be one of that crowd that thinks kids are some kind of sponge-robot race incapable of critical thought, who will simply record and repeat whoever reaches them first, GIGO with never a question on any of it.

That's so cute.

So, then why do 8 year old Jihadis behead Christians if they aren't ISIS robotic recording devices?

 

[Preacher]

Howard Zinn is a disgrace! He's not an educator. He's an indoctrinator!

Absolutely agree.

Ark. bill introduced to ban Howard Zinn books from public schools

I agree we need to ban unAmerican books

'Nuff said right there. Fascists are all about Kontrol. Who controls the past controls the future.

Racial Socialist actually. I don't care for Fascism. In a natural correct state there would be no need to BAN these books because they wouldn't exist to begin with and anyone with a mental illness like Zinn who also happens to be a JEW would be sterilized and locked in a mental asylum.

 

[Pogo]

Howard Zinn is a disgrace! He's not an educator. He's an indoctrinator!

Absolutely agree.

Ark. bill introduced to ban Howard Zinn books from public schools

I agree we need to ban unAmerican books

'Nuff said right there. Fascists are all about Kontrol. Who controls the past controls the future.

Racial Socialist actually. I don't care for Fascism. In a natural correct state there would be no need to BAN these books because they wouldn't exist to begin with and anyone with a mental illness like Zinn who also happens to be a JEW would be sterilized and locked in a mental asylum.

Ah yes, they "wouldn't exist" because stray thought would be illegal.

And a Jew too. Well isn't that informative. Do tell us more.




And while you're at it --- read my sigline.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

I'm not in favor of any book banning...it's a slippery slope

Agreed. Let local school districts and parents decide what books to use.

It's about to be decided with this bill and I, for one, would like to see his books banned. Marxist educators produce Marxists. This isn't rocket science.

Ah, you must be one of that crowd that thinks kids are some kind of sponge-robot race incapable of critical thought, who will simply record and repeat whoever reaches them first, GIGO with never a question on any of it.

That's so cute.

Our children....not yours. You may go now

My condolences. Perhaps it's a genetic thing.

Mhm, last week one of our 13 year old twins took on a teacher at the school in a debate on the whether the Iraq war was justified, legal, etc. She walked away the winner and the next day said teacher congratulated her on being well prepared, using documentation to support her stance and pretty much making the teacher look the fool. The reason the teacher looked the fool is because she used the same worn out BS you and your ilk use on this very forum. You're all ill informed and media-bots

Now you may go now, dumbass and get past I take a damn thing you spew to heart

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Leftists are under some misguided ideal that children belong to society, they don't, they belong to parents

My son was chosen for the International Baccalaureate Program. I saw this as a huge honor based on his hard work and dedication to knowledge. When he came home with this as a sophomore, I had no idea what it was or who Howard Zinn was. But he was a smart kid (now a smart adult) and started pointing out some of the absurd tales Zinn had inserted. I went to the district, who basically laughed at the idea that a parent could object to how the state was raising their children. PYLUSD is far left and don't approve of parents. The state is all children really need. He left IB the following year because he could not stand the leftist indoctrination. His choice, not mine. College was far LESS biased. (UC Riverside)

 

[SassyIrishLass]

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Leftists are under some misguided ideal that children belong to society, they don't, they belong to parents

My son was chosen for the International Baccalaureate Program. I was this as a huge honor based on his hard work and dedication to knowledge. When he came home with this as a sophomore, I had no idea what it was or who Howard Zinn was. But he was a smart kid (now a smart adult) and started pointing out some of the absurd tales Zinn had inserted. I went to the district, who basically laughed at the idea that a parent could object to how the state was raising their children. PYLUSD is far left and don't approve of parents. The state is all children really need. He left IB the following year because he could not stand the leftist indoctrination. His choice, not mine. College was far LESS biased. (UC Riverside)

One of our twins is on the verge of setting a new school record for GPA. She maintains her pace and in six weeks she owns it

 

[Marion Morrison]

Ark. bill introduced to ban Howard Zinn books from public schools

I agree we need to ban unAmerican books like this filth,it will only make kids go to a public library and check it out. I know who he is and I don't have any interest in reading his filth marxist anti American garbage he passed off as literature. Its better to bring it up in class have an open discussion about this Anti American marxist scumbag and be done with it.

They need to go after whoever approved that text for classroom use as well. Call them out on it and let it be made public whoever advocated for the use of that text.

Call them out for the commies they are. Be they school board members, or teachers, or state employees.

Shine the 200 candlepower spotlight on those cockroaches.

 

[Preacher]

Howard Zinn is a disgrace! He's not an educator. He's an indoctrinator!

Absolutely agree.

Ark. bill introduced to ban Howard Zinn books from public schools

I agree we need to ban unAmerican books

'Nuff said right there. Fascists are all about Kontrol. Who controls the past controls the future.

Racial Socialist actually. I don't care for Fascism. In a natural correct state there would be no need to BAN these books because they wouldn't exist to begin with and anyone with a mental illness like Zinn who also happens to be a JEW would be sterilized and locked in a mental asylum.

Ah yes, they "wouldn't exist" because stray thought would be illegal.

And a Jew too. Well isn't that informative. Do tell us more.




And while you're at it --- read my sigline.

Stray thought wouldn't happen dumb ass....its actually called DISSENT and TREASON.When you RAISE children correctly and the nation puts its people first there is no reason for dissent unless its from a traitor or enemy from another nation like the Jew. I don't expect a moron to understand so.

 

[Preacher]

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Leftists are under some misguided ideal that children belong to society, they don't, they belong to parents

My son was chosen for the International Baccalaureate Program. I was this as a huge honor based on his hard work and dedication to knowledge. When he came home with this as a sophomore, I had no idea what it was or who Howard Zinn was. But he was a smart kid (now a smart adult) and started pointing out some of the absurd tales Zinn had inserted. I went to the district, who basically laughed at the idea that a parent could object to how the state was raising their children. PYLUSD is far left and don't approve of parents. The state is all children really need. He left IB the following year because he could not stand the leftist indoctrination. His choice, not mine. College was far LESS biased. (UC Riverside)

One of our twins is on the verge of setting a new school record for GPA. She maintains her pace and in six weeks she owns it

Wow congrats!

 

[Uncensored2008]

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Leftists are under some misguided ideal that children belong to society, they don't, they belong to parents

My son was chosen for the International Baccalaureate Program. I was this as a huge honor based on his hard work and dedication to knowledge. When he came home with this as a sophomore, I had no idea what it was or who Howard Zinn was. But he was a smart kid (now a smart adult) and started pointing out some of the absurd tales Zinn had inserted. I went to the district, who basically laughed at the idea that a parent could object to how the state was raising their children. PYLUSD is far left and don't approve of parents. The state is all children really need. He left IB the following year because he could not stand the leftist indoctrination. His choice, not mine. College was far LESS biased. (UC Riverside)

One of our twins is on the verge of setting a new school record for GPA. She maintains her pace and in six weeks she owns it

Is the school on a 5 point scale?