Births fall to 42-year low in U.S.

[Dana7360]

Did your parents make that decision?

No, but what does that have to do with it? They made their decision and I made mine. .......

They were fabulously wealthy when you were conceived?

The reality is if the person you're replying to was born before 1972, his parents didn't make any decisions.

If that person was born before 1960, the pill wasn't available so the only way a couple could prevent a pregnancy was through either getting her tubes tied or he has a vasectomy. Which since that poster is alive, his parents didn't use any sort of birth control and had no choice when his mother became pregnant.
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People have always had choices.

Before Roe V Wade, those who could afford to go to Mexico or Canada had a choice.

Those who couldn't leave the nation for an abortion didn't have any legal choice.

Sure they could have and many did go to back alley butchers but by and large, women didn't have much choice before the pill and Roe V Wade.

You're missing the most obvious choice.

Yes I am. Besides staying pregnant there was no other choice that I know of.

 

[Unkotare]

Did your parents make that decision?

No, but what does that have to do with it? They made their decision and I made mine. .......

They were fabulously wealthy when you were conceived?

The reality is if the person you're replying to was born before 1972, his parents didn't make any decisions.

If that person was born before 1960, the pill wasn't available so the only way a couple could prevent a pregnancy was through either getting her tubes tied or he has a vasectomy. Which since that poster is alive, his parents didn't use any sort of birth control and had no choice when his mother became pregnant.
.......

People have always had choices.

Before Roe V Wade, those who could afford to go to Mexico or Canada had a choice.

Those who couldn't leave the nation for an abortion didn't have any legal choice.

Sure they could have and many did go to back alley butchers but by and large, women didn't have much choice before the pill and Roe V Wade.

You're missing the most obvious choice.

Yes I am. Besides staying pregnant there was no other choice that I know of.

Not having sex is a choice, and is the most reliable form of birth control. Not having sex existed long, long before the 70s.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Unless they found shameless hypocrisy distasteful?

No hypocrisy because I never once said that people who are deserving of social benefits shouldn't get them So once again, find a post of me saying anything like that and I'll admit I was a hypocrite. Go ahead liar.

 

[Unkotare]

Unless they found shameless hypocrisy distasteful?

No hypocrisy because I never once said that people who are deserving of social benefits shouldn't get them .....

What a fucking surprise. YOU are the "deserving." I wonder what characteristic those who are NOT "deserving" share? Hmmmmm...based on your history of racist comments, what could that characteristic be....? Hmmmmm.....?

You're a fucking fraud, welfare queen.

 

[Unkotare]

So quick to judge, so eager to apply racist generalizations at the same time, until it's YOU laying on your back begging for your government cheese. What a fucking disgrace.

 

[Unkotare]

.... Show me one post of mine that I ever stated people that have mental or physical challenges preventing them from working should not get any kind of aid. .....

Says the hypocrite with the mental and physical ability to post bullshit online all the damn time.

 

[Dana7360]

Did your parents make that decision?

No, but what does that have to do with it? They made their decision and I made mine. .......

They were fabulously wealthy when you were conceived?

The reality is if the person you're replying to was born before 1972, his parents didn't make any decisions.

If that person was born before 1960, the pill wasn't available so the only way a couple could prevent a pregnancy was through either getting her tubes tied or he has a vasectomy. Which since that poster is alive, his parents didn't use any sort of birth control and had no choice when his mother became pregnant.
.......

People have always had choices.

Before Roe V Wade, those who could afford to go to Mexico or Canada had a choice.

Those who couldn't leave the nation for an abortion didn't have any legal choice.

Sure they could have and many did go to back alley butchers but by and large, women didn't have much choice before the pill and Roe V Wade.

You're missing the most obvious choice.

Yes I am. Besides staying pregnant there was no other choice that I know of.

Not having sex is a choice, and is the most reliable form of birth control. Not having sex existed long, long before the 70s.

That's not practical. Especially in that time period. Married people have sex. As evidenced by the big baby boom.

Plus women get pregnant from rape too.

I was meaning in regard to the poster you were having fun exposing his hypocrisy. I'm assuming his parents were married. Maybe they weren't. If they were, they had sex and his mom became pregnant.

Telling a married couple to not have sex isn't practical.

Plus if his mom was doing the only birth control available to women at the time she was using the rhythm method.

Which caused a lot of pregnancies at that time.

In that time people didn't know how long sperm remained live in the woman's body. So she can have sex when she has not ovulated but if she ovulates within 72 hours of sex, she will get pregnant.

 

[wamose]

This is the only indicator that says the US is actually using it's head in spite of our failed education system.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

That's not practical. Especially in that time period. Married people have sex. As evidenced by the big baby boom.

Plus women get pregnant from rape too.

I was meaning in regard to the poster you were having fun exposing his hypocrisy. I'm assuming his parents were married. Maybe they weren't. If they were, they had sex and his mom became pregnant.

Telling a married couple to not have sex isn't practical.

Plus if his mom was doing the only birth control available to women at the time she was using the rhythm method.

Which caused a lot of pregnancies at that time.

In that time people didn't know how long sperm remained live in the woman's body. So she can have sex when she has not ovulated but if she ovulates within 72 hours of sex, she will get pregnant.

Right. Because nobody knew how to use condoms at that time.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Says the hypocrite with the mental and physical ability to post bullshit online all the damn time.

Your comments certainly reveals your public education background. The idea you don't know the difference between young physically and mentally capable people not working and sucking off the government tit vs a person who was ruled as medically disabled by the government and had to retire two years before being eligible for SS retirement tells us of your ignorance. So let me educate you on the difference since you don't possess the intelligence to figure it out for yourself: In the first instance people had options to work or not. In my case and millions like me, we don't have that option. We can't work, at least not a job where one can make a livable wage.

Also if you did some research (which I'm sure you don't have the intelligence to do) you'd discover that disability is not only for blind people in wheelchairs. It's for people that cannot continue to be self-supportive due to medical disadvantages. Need me to do the leg work on qualifications for disability, just ask. I'll be more than happy to post the SS government link.

 

[Unkotare]

How convenient to declare yourself a helpless little victim and thereby justify laying on your ass and giving up. Of course, all those people you judged, disparaged and looked down upon for YEARS never got the benefit of that doubt, did they?


Sucks to be hoisted on your own petard, huh hypocrite?

 

[Unkotare]

No.

This is repeat.

Close the border. Let our citizens get back to work for twenty years and then open it back up as needed. Easy-peasy.

Screw the border, close down ANY business that employs non-citizens. 90% improvement in a couple of months.

Not going to happen.

 

[Unkotare]

... We can't work, at least not a job where one can make a livable wage.

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Little victim hitting all the democrat talking points. "Livable wage"

 

[Unkotare]

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Shut the border down. End H1b visas. There appears to be a collective amnesia for the corporations.


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And the millions of jobs that companies can't fill? 3:1

 

[EvilEyeFleegle]

The reality is if the person you're replying to was born before 1972, his parents didn't make any decisions.

If that person was born before 1960, the pill wasn't available so the only way a couple could prevent a pregnancy was through either getting her tubes tied or he has a vasectomy. Which since that poster is alive, his parents didn't use any sort of birth control and had no choice when his mother became pregnant.

If anyone has paid any attention, birth rates have been declining ever since the pill became available.

Which shows only one thing. Women don't want to have a bunch of kids. They want at most, 2 children. Which is the normal size of a family since the pill was available.

Before the pill, a family with 4 kids was usually the size of an average family in America.

That's correct, because condoms weren't invented until the mid 70s if I remember correctly.

My parents had the amount of kids they wanted which was three of us. It's the same with my extended family. All my cousins (some of which are older) were planned and were in a family of two or three children.

People years ago were more religious and held the belief that you should have as many kids as you could. Even the Catholic church stood against any kind of birth control. People also had more children because we didn't live nearly as long as today. Some parents suffered the loss of their children when their kids were barely in their 20's. With advancements in medical technology throughout the decades, it's rare that a person die at a young age for medical reasons. It's rare that a family that has four kids, the parents will lose at least two of them before they reach the age of 35.

Condoms, in some fashion, have been in use for a few hundred years....at least.

From The Cave To The Bedroom, The 13,000-Year History Of The Condom

The long history of condoms dates back to cave times, and while latex remains the standard for today's condoms, in the past, people went to extreme lengths to practice safe sex.

allthatsinteresting.com

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

How convenient to declare yourself a helpless little victim and thereby justify laying on your ass and giving up. Of course, all those people you judged, disparaged and looked down upon for YEARS never got the benefit of that doubt, did they?


Sucks to be hoisted on your own petard, huh hypocrite?

No liar, I never said nobody should get help. I'm far from any victim, but unlike you, I live in reality. There is nothing more for me to give up because government gave it up for me. Nobody is going to pay a livable wage to a 61 year old with as much work experience as an 18 year old kid fresh out of high school. If you think somebody will, then you're stupider than you portray yourself on USMB. I even challenged JoeB on that. He couldn't come up with any job that paid a livable wage with no experience at anything, and he is a self-proclaimed expert as he says he writes resumes from home for a living; not that I believe it. He may do it on the side, but not for his only source of income.

In any case I am a believer in God. You may be a believer in karma or whatever you punks believe today. In any case, what goes around comes around. And when something hits you when you get older, remember your own words when you are forced out of the workforce and have no realistic options before you. It will happen........watch.

 

[Unkotare]

... , ..... government gave it up for me. ......

Spoken like a helpless little victim.

 

[bendog]

Now I would have thought that the pandemic would have led to an increase in births...it appears not:

Births fall to 42-year low in U.S.

Some experts have sounded the alarm on declining birth rates and what this will mean for the U.S. economy in the years to come. In a recent interview with "CBS This Morning" co-host Tony Dokoupil, Dowell Myers, who studies demographics at the University of Southern California, called the phenomenon a "crisis.
"We need to have enough working-age people to carry the load of these seniors, who deserve their retirement, they deserve all their entitlements, and they're gonna live out another 30 years," he said. "Nobody in the history of the globe has had so many older people to deal with."
The pandemic could prove to exacerbate the decline. The Brookings Institution has predicted "a large, lasting baby bust" of at least 300,000 fewer children in 2021. Health departments in more than two dozen states provided records to CBS News, showing a 7% drop in births in December — nine months after the first lockdowns began. Phil Cohen, a sociologist at the University of Maryland, said December's drop was the biggest he's seen since the baby boom ended in 1964.
"We don't know if it's the beginning of a bigger decline over the whole next year or if it's just a shock from March," Cohen said in February. "But I'm more inclined based on history to think that all of next year is going to be very much down for births."

I guess there is a silver lining:

Among teenagers, many of whom shifted to remote learning due to the pandemic, birth rates fell precipitously, according to data released by the CDC. The birth rate for young women between the ages of 15 and 19 fell to a record low in 2020, dropping to 15.3 births per 1,000, an 8% decline from the year before. That continues a significant downward trend over the past two decades — down 75% from 1991, the most recent peak.

The border isn't the problem. Clearly we need more teenagers engaging in unprotected sex, and we need to force these SLUTS to carry to term, and then place the children in adoption, where either white hetero people with money can adopt, or the kids will be put in foster care

 

[Unkotare]

..... Nobody is going to pay a livable wage to a 61 year old......

There you go again with your lefty talking points again. And how convenient to quit before even trying. I guess you like being a welfare queen.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Back to the point....

It is simple math.
You take three generations...
a) Grandparents
b) Parents
c) Children
The way the wheel works is Group C will pay most of the retirement cost of Group B, and part of group A as that generation dies off.
Right now we have a record level lows of group C. This will have a minor effect on group A. And a dramatic effect on Group B.
And guess who group B is folks?? - Millennials. Y'all are not raising enough to take care of you when you retire.

Well you have to make a pretty good buck today to raise a child. This is especially true of single mothers. Much of the time the father helps but sometimes not. Then it begs the question: If we are having record low birth rates, how is it our population keeps increasing?

Well yes, but you don't pay it all at once. And most of the expenses come in the first 5 years. Kids become much cheaper after that age, basically you just feed and clothe them.

As to your other note... the populations that are increasing are those that have no intention of supporting their child. They let the government pay for it. So for those folks - kids are free, in fact can make you money.

Fertility rates are FALLING. Without immigration, our national population would be in decline by now.

No....MORAL people which isn't the illegals or welfare hos-----would naturally care about the well being of their offspring and ability to care for these offspring. Moral people have moral children generally speaking while non-moral people tend to have non-moral children............

MOral people would instinctively act to protect their existing family members and want to provide for their own kids----so naturally when face with uncertainities, poverty, disease, overpopulation especially of trash overpopulation, moral people would have fewer offspring insuring that they could provide for their children and make sure that they don't lack for anything including clean air and water.

Now--your immoral group will keep having kids because they don't give a shit about them. Because of both genetics and upbringing, their kids tend to be just as immoral and stupid and self centered and useless...they don't care about the kids or the effects on everyone else at all but they will keep having kids and demanding that the moral responsible people take care of them and their kids------eventually the overall population becomes dumber and more immoral.

Kick the illegals and their trash offspring, moral people would then be more likely to have more kids. End welfare as we know it..stop paying druggies and criminals to have huge number of kids.