Blacks have been voting for Dems for over a hundred years!

[iceberg]

i started on the same path you did and handled it differently and we came to a consensus or common ground.

it goes where you drive it.

yep. you did a nice job. thanks. but again, the intent of a thread is based on the OP. I 've been hand slapped enough for not staying on the OP.

i'd hate to be a mod here. well on any political forum actually.

most people want to be right. not learn.

what's to learn on a message board is how disingenuous people really are. Lie to lie. again, you did a nice job, with OK we got the 100 years. so he's still wrong with his OP intentions of making the president look like he was clueless. just saying.

depends on why you go to message boards. i filter out most of the canned trolling and people who obviously are here to get on others nerves. it was fun banter back when i was drunk every evening but never got anywhere.

common ground isn't easy to find. esp these days. but i'd have to say it's the one thing we need the most these days. you can't scream someone into submission online. i've yet to see it happen and i've been here since doing <marquee>hi i rock!</marquee> was new.

we will eventually get back to it. everything changes and goes in cycles. til then, it is what we make it. nothing more, nothing less.

I come to see how accurate people really are in what they post for the most part. Inaccuracies cause all of the hate in here. I at least can apologize if I got it wrong. not waste ten pages of troll news to say otherwise. that happens more than not. Just be honest. Be factual. that's all. it isn't rocket science. you hate trump, fine, I can live with that, I didn't like obammies agenda though. Then the man doubled down. called for riots in the street and I then I didn't like him. I give two shits trump tells white lies cause of his ego. it's who he is. I accept them. I want his agenda. he has more blacks working than previous two presidents. That's news and it isn't highlighted by the left media. sad. I thought they were for blacks, guess that shows how not they are.

so you come in to be right?

 

[jc456]

yep. you did a nice job. thanks. but again, the intent of a thread is based on the OP. I 've been hand slapped enough for not staying on the OP.

i'd hate to be a mod here. well on any political forum actually.

most people want to be right. not learn.

what's to learn on a message board is how disingenuous people really are. Lie to lie. again, you did a nice job, with OK we got the 100 years. so he's still wrong with his OP intentions of making the president look like he was clueless. just saying.

depends on why you go to message boards. i filter out most of the canned trolling and people who obviously are here to get on others nerves. it was fun banter back when i was drunk every evening but never got anywhere.

common ground isn't easy to find. esp these days. but i'd have to say it's the one thing we need the most these days. you can't scream someone into submission online. i've yet to see it happen and i've been here since doing <marquee>hi i rock!</marquee> was new.

we will eventually get back to it. everything changes and goes in cycles. til then, it is what we make it. nothing more, nothing less.

I come to see how accurate people really are in what they post for the most part. Inaccuracies cause all of the hate in here. I at least can apologize if I got it wrong. not waste ten pages of troll news to say otherwise. that happens more than not. Just be honest. Be factual. that's all. it isn't rocket science. you hate trump, fine, I can live with that, I didn't like obammies agenda though. Then the man doubled down. called for riots in the street and I then I didn't like him. I give two shits trump tells white lies cause of his ego. it's who he is. I accept them. I want his agenda. he has more blacks working than previous two presidents. That's news and it isn't highlighted by the left media. sad. I thought they were for blacks, guess that shows how not they are.

so you come in to be right?

I come in to correct the wrong.

 

[OKTexas]

Blacks have a very short memory on who was responsible for Jim Crow laws


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No, blacks remember quite well it was right wing reactionaries who were responsible.

Yeah, LBJ was a right wing reactionary. LMAO


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LBJ was whatever got him ahead. Just like Trump.

Trump was a "Bush Lied, People Died", pro-abortion, pro-Clinton, anti-war, Impeach Bush, Assault Weapons Ban, cut-and-run Democrat just a few years ago.

LBJ and Trump are opportunists. World class hucksters.

Huckster or not, the only thing I care about Trump is what he's doing now. I agree with him about 90-95% of the time, if he keeps it up, he'll get my vote again.


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I did not vote for either Trump or Clinton, because I believe our federal debt to be the greatest threat to our country, and I knew they were both big spenders.

Neither one of them deserved my vote, and Trump never will. He is ensuring either we or our children are going to pay a heavy price for his recklessness.

My priority was the supreme court nomination and the possibility of 2-3 more during his term. History shows the court has a greater effect on the country than any one president.


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[iceberg]

i'd hate to be a mod here. well on any political forum actually.

most people want to be right. not learn.

what's to learn on a message board is how disingenuous people really are. Lie to lie. again, you did a nice job, with OK we got the 100 years. so he's still wrong with his OP intentions of making the president look like he was clueless. just saying.

depends on why you go to message boards. i filter out most of the canned trolling and people who obviously are here to get on others nerves. it was fun banter back when i was drunk every evening but never got anywhere.

common ground isn't easy to find. esp these days. but i'd have to say it's the one thing we need the most these days. you can't scream someone into submission online. i've yet to see it happen and i've been here since doing <marquee>hi i rock!</marquee> was new.

we will eventually get back to it. everything changes and goes in cycles. til then, it is what we make it. nothing more, nothing less.

I come to see how accurate people really are in what they post for the most part. Inaccuracies cause all of the hate in here. I at least can apologize if I got it wrong. not waste ten pages of troll news to say otherwise. that happens more than not. Just be honest. Be factual. that's all. it isn't rocket science. you hate trump, fine, I can live with that, I didn't like obammies agenda though. Then the man doubled down. called for riots in the street and I then I didn't like him. I give two shits trump tells white lies cause of his ego. it's who he is. I accept them. I want his agenda. he has more blacks working than previous two presidents. That's news and it isn't highlighted by the left media. sad. I thought they were for blacks, guess that shows how not they are.

so you come in to be right?

I come in to correct the wrong.

i stand corrected.

 

[jc456]

what's to learn on a message board is how disingenuous people really are. Lie to lie. again, you did a nice job, with OK we got the 100 years. so he's still wrong with his OP intentions of making the president look like he was clueless. just saying.

depends on why you go to message boards. i filter out most of the canned trolling and people who obviously are here to get on others nerves. it was fun banter back when i was drunk every evening but never got anywhere.

common ground isn't easy to find. esp these days. but i'd have to say it's the one thing we need the most these days. you can't scream someone into submission online. i've yet to see it happen and i've been here since doing <marquee>hi i rock!</marquee> was new.

we will eventually get back to it. everything changes and goes in cycles. til then, it is what we make it. nothing more, nothing less.

I come to see how accurate people really are in what they post for the most part. Inaccuracies cause all of the hate in here. I at least can apologize if I got it wrong. not waste ten pages of troll news to say otherwise. that happens more than not. Just be honest. Be factual. that's all. it isn't rocket science. you hate trump, fine, I can live with that, I didn't like obammies agenda though. Then the man doubled down. called for riots in the street and I then I didn't like him. I give two shits trump tells white lies cause of his ego. it's who he is. I accept them. I want his agenda. he has more blacks working than previous two presidents. That's news and it isn't highlighted by the left media. sad. I thought they were for blacks, guess that shows how not they are.

so you come in to be right?

I come in to correct the wrong.

i stand corrected.

 

[jc456]

No, blacks remember quite well it was right wing reactionaries who were responsible.

Yeah, LBJ was a right wing reactionary. LMAO


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LBJ was whatever got him ahead. Just like Trump.

Trump was a "Bush Lied, People Died", pro-abortion, pro-Clinton, anti-war, Impeach Bush, Assault Weapons Ban, cut-and-run Democrat just a few years ago.

LBJ and Trump are opportunists. World class hucksters.

Huckster or not, the only thing I care about Trump is what he's doing now. I agree with him about 90-95% of the time, if he keeps it up, he'll get my vote again.


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I did not vote for either Trump or Clinton, because I believe our federal debt to be the greatest threat to our country, and I knew they were both big spenders.

Neither one of them deserved my vote, and Trump never will. He is ensuring either we or our children are going to pay a heavy price for his recklessness.

My priority was the supreme court nomination and the possibility of 2-3 more during his term. History shows the court has a greater effect on the country than any one president.


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It's one of my reasons as well. I also wanted the swamp drained.

 

[Slade3200]

thread should be deleted. It was a dishonest post. It was based on a lie.

The thread is a quote from the mouth of Trump to be interpreted and discussed. You can call that a lie if you want but you just sound like a fool

yes it was and factual. so, your point was that he lied and was stupid cause he didn't know when blacks started voting. Tell me I'm wrong. And that is pure bullshit.

if it's perspective that blacks have been voting since 1870 so trump was correct, i agree.
if it's perspective that blacks really didn't enjoy that right in the manner intended until AT LEAST 1965, that perspective would still be correct.

well, that is purely subjective and not in the OP. not at all.

that's why you ask follow up questions.

or get bent to hell and start screaming and end up with no resolution.

your call.

Ok here are some questions. What do you think trump meant by the statement and do you think it takes our discourse or a policy agenda in a positive direction? Do you think it has any negative effects?

 

[iceberg]

The thread is a quote from the mouth of Trump to be interpreted and discussed. You can call that a lie if you want but you just sound like a fool

yes it was and factual. so, your point was that he lied and was stupid cause he didn't know when blacks started voting. Tell me I'm wrong. And that is pure bullshit.

if it's perspective that blacks have been voting since 1870 so trump was correct, i agree.
if it's perspective that blacks really didn't enjoy that right in the manner intended until AT LEAST 1965, that perspective would still be correct.

well, that is purely subjective and not in the OP. not at all.

that's why you ask follow up questions.

or get bent to hell and start screaming and end up with no resolution.

your call.

Ok here are some questions. What do you think trump meant by the statement and do you think it takes our discourse or a policy agenda in a positive direction? Do you think it has any negative effects?

dunno. did trump write it or does he have a speech writer?

i think he meant that blacks have been able to vote for 100+ years and traditionally have voted democrat and got nothing in return. if i wanna get "clever" i can say he's right cause they voted dem up until 1965 and it took how long again??? 95 years? the ones who could vote sure didn't help their cause.

if you like trump, it's a positive effect.
if you hate trump, anything he says is negative
if you're neutral you didn't watch the speech and apathy has consumed you at this point.

if you want allowances for your point of view you kinda gotta give people their allowances as well. you seem to be looking for a binary answer where they simply don't exist.

 

[Some Guy]

The thread is a quote from the mouth of Trump to be interpreted and discussed. You can call that a lie if you want but you just sound like a fool

yes it was and factual. so, your point was that he lied and was stupid cause he didn't know when blacks started voting. Tell me I'm wrong. And that is pure bullshit.

if it's perspective that blacks have been voting since 1870 so trump was correct, i agree.
if it's perspective that blacks really didn't enjoy that right in the manner intended until AT LEAST 1965, that perspective would still be correct.

well, that is purely subjective and not in the OP. not at all.

that's why you ask follow up questions.

or get bent to hell and start screaming and end up with no resolution.

your call.

Ok here are some questions. What do you think trump meant by the statement and do you think it takes our discourse or a policy agenda in a positive direction? Do you think it has any negative effects?

Most of what he says isn't a positive direction. He's a fighter, not a uniter.

I do also think that it's gotten to the point that no matter what he says, certain people will take it out of context and find a reason to hate him for whatever he says. You could see that in the State of the Union address when he noted that black unemployment was at a record low and democrats sat their all frowny-faced about it. If Trump does reach out to try to unite on something, it requires someone there willing to take his hand. There's none of that right now, and it's both sides' fault.

 

[Slade3200]

the fact is you lied. you posted it like trump lied and was a boob. you're just a leftist liar that is disingenuous. we know. Thread should be deleted.

why are we lost in binaryland?

from his perspective and what he views to be important, blacks really didn't appreciate the same level of voting rights as whites until 1965 and honestly, not even then.

while i do agree it's getting mad out of habit, his point is still valid.

no, he lied. he stated 1965. Well there was a civil war in this country. and well, that won them the right to vote. maybe not full vote, but still a right to vote. that is all the president said. So his premise is a lie.

and if you ask why he said that, you find out why and have a better understanding where he's coming from. this is an example of digging in the shades of gray.

FUCK YOU YOU LIED - well that's binary YES / NO and i just don't see the world like that.

I understand why he said it. He is making a point that Dems are bad for blacks and Trump is good for blacks and blacks have been idiotically voting for Dems for over a hundred years and they need to wise up and vote republican now. Am I wrong?

nope. that would do it. 100+ years makes a stronger case than 48.

kinda like when obama was saying how many guns were bought illegally and he used the highest number he could find on the internet. was it true? no. but it sure fit his agenda.

Yes and Obama should be called out for using false numbers. The difference in these scenarios are the racial undertones of critiquing blacks for how they voted during a time that they were being restricted from voting by the very party that Trump is claiming they were voting for even though the majority of blacks couldn’t vote and were fighting for basic human rights. It opens up a can of worms and I’m curious if it is intentional on Trumps part as he seems to thrive on controversy or if he is just oblivious to the “can” that statements like that open. Thoughts?

 

[Slade3200]

We playing word games now? Do you not recognize the barriers that were in place from 1870s - 1965. Do you not understand my point or do I need to spell it out for you?

No word games, you tried to deride me for pointing out a fact. Blacks have a very short memory on who was responsible for Jim Crow laws, and who pushed the VRA across the finish line in spite of commiecrat opposition. Hell racist Woodrow Wilson got massive black support for his time, it was only about 7% but that was big back then. BTW that was the 1912 election, more than 100 years ago.

President Woodrow Wilson: Pro-Segregationist Democrat--African-Americans & the Presidency


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Do you really not see the irony in criticizing the black vote for partisan purposes during a time when their rights were being restricted? A time when they were being lynched, and blocked from fair education, job opportunities, and even use of public facilities? Are you that tone deaf? I wasn’t trying to deride you, but when you ignore my point to pick on details like you are and then call me ignorant for that, then you are setting a hostile tone to the conversation.

Hey, your the one that got all holier than thou over political rhetoric. Politicians embellish, get over it.


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I’m far from holly. And I don’t see a problem with criticizing tone deaf statements like this. They do zero good for our country and the sick divide that’s happening.

Of course making a big deal over political rhetoric brings everyone closer together, right? I bet most people didn't even see the speech, I didn't.


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I don’t think I’m making a big deal about it. Why do you? I mean I’m not calling him a racist or calling for impeachment or staging a protest. I’m pointing out a careless statement that he made and opening up a discussion about it. Do you think that’s inappropriate of me? Do you think we should all just ignore the powerful when we feel like they are being inappropriate or inflammatory or doing something we feel is damaging to our country?

 

[iceberg]

why are we lost in binaryland?

from his perspective and what he views to be important, blacks really didn't appreciate the same level of voting rights as whites until 1965 and honestly, not even then.

while i do agree it's getting mad out of habit, his point is still valid.

no, he lied. he stated 1965. Well there was a civil war in this country. and well, that won them the right to vote. maybe not full vote, but still a right to vote. that is all the president said. So his premise is a lie.

and if you ask why he said that, you find out why and have a better understanding where he's coming from. this is an example of digging in the shades of gray.

FUCK YOU YOU LIED - well that's binary YES / NO and i just don't see the world like that.

I understand why he said it. He is making a point that Dems are bad for blacks and Trump is good for blacks and blacks have been idiotically voting for Dems for over a hundred years and they need to wise up and vote republican now. Am I wrong?

nope. that would do it. 100+ years makes a stronger case than 48.

kinda like when obama was saying how many guns were bought illegally and he used the highest number he could find on the internet. was it true? no. but it sure fit his agenda.

Yes and Obama should be called out for using false numbers. The difference in these scenarios are the racial undertones of critiquing blacks for how they voted during a time that they were being restricted from voting by the very party that Trump is claiming they were voting for even though the majority of blacks couldn’t vote and were fighting for basic human rights. It opens up a can of worms and I’m curious if it is intentional on Trumps part as he seems to thrive on controversy or if he is just oblivious to the “can” that statements like that open. Thoughts?

sorry - i don't quantify it with "but my case is different"

politicians use whatever numbers they can verify from at least their POV to push their agenda. trump isn't like starting a new trend here. getting selectively mad seems convenient to me and part of the problem.

 

[jc456]

why are we lost in binaryland?

from his perspective and what he views to be important, blacks really didn't appreciate the same level of voting rights as whites until 1965 and honestly, not even then.

while i do agree it's getting mad out of habit, his point is still valid.

no, he lied. he stated 1965. Well there was a civil war in this country. and well, that won them the right to vote. maybe not full vote, but still a right to vote. that is all the president said. So his premise is a lie.

and if you ask why he said that, you find out why and have a better understanding where he's coming from. this is an example of digging in the shades of gray.

FUCK YOU YOU LIED - well that's binary YES / NO and i just don't see the world like that.

I understand why he said it. He is making a point that Dems are bad for blacks and Trump is good for blacks and blacks have been idiotically voting for Dems for over a hundred years and they need to wise up and vote republican now. Am I wrong?

nope. that would do it. 100+ years makes a stronger case than 48.

kinda like when obama was saying how many guns were bought illegally and he used the highest number he could find on the internet. was it true? no. but it sure fit his agenda.

Yes and Obama should be called out for using false numbers. The difference in these scenarios are the racial undertones of critiquing blacks for how they voted during a time that they were being restricted from voting by the very party that Trump is claiming they were voting for even though the majority of blacks couldn’t vote and were fighting for basic human rights. It opens up a can of worms and I’m curious if it is intentional on Trumps part as he seems to thrive on controversy or if he is just oblivious to the “can” that statements like that open. Thoughts?

I believe there are many blacks that believe as trump does about how the blacks vote for dems over the course of the years be however many you'd like to stop at. The left insult those blacks. One in recent memory was Kanye West. he said basically what trump most likely would like to say but can't. the blacks have enslaved themselves to the democratic party. period. Do you discount the lower unemployment rate for blacks today under trump's presidency? Are you against blacks being self sufficient out of the democratic hold? let's ask Jesse Jackson or racist Al Sharpton. Two black leaders put in power to control the black population.

 

[Slade3200]

yes it was and factual. so, your point was that he lied and was stupid cause he didn't know when blacks started voting. Tell me I'm wrong. And that is pure bullshit.

if it's perspective that blacks have been voting since 1870 so trump was correct, i agree.
if it's perspective that blacks really didn't enjoy that right in the manner intended until AT LEAST 1965, that perspective would still be correct.

well, that is purely subjective and not in the OP. not at all.

that's why you ask follow up questions.

or get bent to hell and start screaming and end up with no resolution.

your call.

Ok here are some questions. What do you think trump meant by the statement and do you think it takes our discourse or a policy agenda in a positive direction? Do you think it has any negative effects?

dunno. did trump write it or does he have a speech writer?

i think he meant that blacks have been able to vote for 100+ years and traditionally have voted democrat and got nothing in return. if i wanna get "clever" i can say he's right cause they voted dem up until 1965 and it took how long again??? 95 years? the ones who could vote sure didn't help their cause.

if you like trump, it's a positive effect.
if you hate trump, anything he says is negative
if you're neutral you didn't watch the speech and apathy has consumed you at this point.

if you want allowances for your point of view you kinda gotta give people their allowances as well. you seem to be looking for a binary answer where they simply don't exist.

Im not a historian but I have a hard time thinking that blacks didn’t support Lincoln, the republican that freed them from slavery. And in the following years you think they just jumped on the democrats wagon, despite it was southern democrats that were instituting Jim Crow laws? I really don’t think Trump is versed on this history either, I’d bet it was just an off the cuff comment telling blacks they shouldn’t vote for Dems, but if you want to dive into the history of the black vote, I’d be interested to learn more. I did a little research earlier today and it takes some digging

 

[jc456]

no, he lied. he stated 1965. Well there was a civil war in this country. and well, that won them the right to vote. maybe not full vote, but still a right to vote. that is all the president said. So his premise is a lie.

and if you ask why he said that, you find out why and have a better understanding where he's coming from. this is an example of digging in the shades of gray.

FUCK YOU YOU LIED - well that's binary YES / NO and i just don't see the world like that.

I understand why he said it. He is making a point that Dems are bad for blacks and Trump is good for blacks and blacks have been idiotically voting for Dems for over a hundred years and they need to wise up and vote republican now. Am I wrong?

nope. that would do it. 100+ years makes a stronger case than 48.

kinda like when obama was saying how many guns were bought illegally and he used the highest number he could find on the internet. was it true? no. but it sure fit his agenda.

Yes and Obama should be called out for using false numbers. The difference in these scenarios are the racial undertones of critiquing blacks for how they voted during a time that they were being restricted from voting by the very party that Trump is claiming they were voting for even though the majority of blacks couldn’t vote and were fighting for basic human rights. It opens up a can of worms and I’m curious if it is intentional on Trumps part as he seems to thrive on controversy or if he is just oblivious to the “can” that statements like that open. Thoughts?

sorry - i don't quantify it with "but my case is different"

politicians use whatever numbers they can verify from at least their POV to push their agenda. trump isn't like starting a new trend here. getting selectively mad seems convenient to me and part of the problem.

IMO, it is the problem.

 

[iceberg]

No word games, you tried to deride me for pointing out a fact. Blacks have a very short memory on who was responsible for Jim Crow laws, and who pushed the VRA across the finish line in spite of commiecrat opposition. Hell racist Woodrow Wilson got massive black support for his time, it was only about 7% but that was big back then. BTW that was the 1912 election, more than 100 years ago.

President Woodrow Wilson: Pro-Segregationist Democrat--African-Americans & the Presidency


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Do you really not see the irony in criticizing the black vote for partisan purposes during a time when their rights were being restricted? A time when they were being lynched, and blocked from fair education, job opportunities, and even use of public facilities? Are you that tone deaf? I wasn’t trying to deride you, but when you ignore my point to pick on details like you are and then call me ignorant for that, then you are setting a hostile tone to the conversation.

Hey, your the one that got all holier than thou over political rhetoric. Politicians embellish, get over it.


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I’m far from holly. And I don’t see a problem with criticizing tone deaf statements like this. They do zero good for our country and the sick divide that’s happening.

Of course making a big deal over political rhetoric brings everyone closer together, right? I bet most people didn't even see the speech, I didn't.


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I don’t think I’m making a big deal about it. Why do you? I mean I’m not calling him a racist or calling for impeachment or staging a protest. I’m pointing out a careless statement that he made and opening up a discussion about it. Do you think that’s inappropriate of me? Do you think we should all just ignore the powerful when we feel like they are being inappropriate or inflammatory or doing something we feel is damaging to our country?

maybe cause:

Did you all hear Trump say this at his last rally? Another brilliant tag line from our dear leader
#clueless

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came off as snark and inventing reasons to call trump clueless when in fact, he was correct from his point of view.

 

[Timmy]

if it's perspective that blacks have been voting since 1870 so trump was correct, i agree.
if it's perspective that blacks really didn't enjoy that right in the manner intended until AT LEAST 1965, that perspective would still be correct.

well, that is purely subjective and not in the OP. not at all.

that's why you ask follow up questions.

or get bent to hell and start screaming and end up with no resolution.

your call.

Ok here are some questions. What do you think trump meant by the statement and do you think it takes our discourse or a policy agenda in a positive direction? Do you think it has any negative effects?

dunno. did trump write it or does he have a speech writer?

i think he meant that blacks have been able to vote for 100+ years and traditionally have voted democrat and got nothing in return. if i wanna get "clever" i can say he's right cause they voted dem up until 1965 and it took how long again??? 95 years? the ones who could vote sure didn't help their cause.

if you like trump, it's a positive effect.
if you hate trump, anything he says is negative
if you're neutral you didn't watch the speech and apathy has consumed you at this point.

if you want allowances for your point of view you kinda gotta give people their allowances as well. you seem to be looking for a binary answer where they simply don't exist.

Im not a historian but I have a hard time thinking that blacks didn’t support Lincoln, the republican that freed them from slavery. And in the following years you think they just jumped on the democrats wagon, despite it was southern democrats that were instituting Jim Crow laws? I really don’t think Trump is versed on this history either, I’d bet it was just an off the cuff comment telling blacks they shouldn’t vote for Dems, but if you want to dive into the history of the black vote, I’d be interested to learn more. I did a little research earlier today and it takes some digging

Can we get over this spin over the lower unemployment rate for blacks.

Unemployment has been dropping for years for everyone . It’s a rising tide situation, that effects all ships .

Anything good trump does for minorities is merely a side effect of his true intentions.

 

[jc456]

No word games, you tried to deride me for pointing out a fact. Blacks have a very short memory on who was responsible for Jim Crow laws, and who pushed the VRA across the finish line in spite of commiecrat opposition. Hell racist Woodrow Wilson got massive black support for his time, it was only about 7% but that was big back then. BTW that was the 1912 election, more than 100 years ago.

President Woodrow Wilson: Pro-Segregationist Democrat--African-Americans & the Presidency


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Do you really not see the irony in criticizing the black vote for partisan purposes during a time when their rights were being restricted? A time when they were being lynched, and blocked from fair education, job opportunities, and even use of public facilities? Are you that tone deaf? I wasn’t trying to deride you, but when you ignore my point to pick on details like you are and then call me ignorant for that, then you are setting a hostile tone to the conversation.

Hey, your the one that got all holier than thou over political rhetoric. Politicians embellish, get over it.


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I’m far from holly. And I don’t see a problem with criticizing tone deaf statements like this. They do zero good for our country and the sick divide that’s happening.

Of course making a big deal over political rhetoric brings everyone closer together, right? I bet most people didn't even see the speech, I didn't.


.

I don’t think I’m making a big deal about it. Why do you? I mean I’m not calling him a racist or calling for impeachment or staging a protest. I’m pointing out a careless statement that he made and opening up a discussion about it. Do you think that’s inappropriate of me? Do you think we should all just ignore the powerful when we feel like they are being inappropriate or inflammatory or doing something we feel is damaging to our country?

I’m pointing out a careless statement that he made

why is it a "careless" statement? again, it isn't wrong.

 

[jc456]

well, that is purely subjective and not in the OP. not at all.

that's why you ask follow up questions.

or get bent to hell and start screaming and end up with no resolution.

your call.

Ok here are some questions. What do you think trump meant by the statement and do you think it takes our discourse or a policy agenda in a positive direction? Do you think it has any negative effects?

dunno. did trump write it or does he have a speech writer?

i think he meant that blacks have been able to vote for 100+ years and traditionally have voted democrat and got nothing in return. if i wanna get "clever" i can say he's right cause they voted dem up until 1965 and it took how long again??? 95 years? the ones who could vote sure didn't help their cause.

if you like trump, it's a positive effect.
if you hate trump, anything he says is negative
if you're neutral you didn't watch the speech and apathy has consumed you at this point.

if you want allowances for your point of view you kinda gotta give people their allowances as well. you seem to be looking for a binary answer where they simply don't exist.

Im not a historian but I have a hard time thinking that blacks didn’t support Lincoln, the republican that freed them from slavery. And in the following years you think they just jumped on the democrats wagon, despite it was southern democrats that were instituting Jim Crow laws? I really don’t think Trump is versed on this history either, I’d bet it was just an off the cuff comment telling blacks they shouldn’t vote for Dems, but if you want to dive into the history of the black vote, I’d be interested to learn more. I did a little research earlier today and it takes some digging

Can we get over this spin over the lower unemployment rate for blacks.

Unemployment has been dropping for years for everyone . It’s a rising tide situation, that effects all ships .

Anything good trump does for minorities is merely a side effect of his true intentions.

and what a leftist would say that wants to keep the black vote from shifting to the right.

 

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well, that is purely subjective and not in the OP. not at all.

that's why you ask follow up questions.

or get bent to hell and start screaming and end up with no resolution.

your call.

Ok here are some questions. What do you think trump meant by the statement and do you think it takes our discourse or a policy agenda in a positive direction? Do you think it has any negative effects?

dunno. did trump write it or does he have a speech writer?

i think he meant that blacks have been able to vote for 100+ years and traditionally have voted democrat and got nothing in return. if i wanna get "clever" i can say he's right cause they voted dem up until 1965 and it took how long again??? 95 years? the ones who could vote sure didn't help their cause.

if you like trump, it's a positive effect.
if you hate trump, anything he says is negative
if you're neutral you didn't watch the speech and apathy has consumed you at this point.

if you want allowances for your point of view you kinda gotta give people their allowances as well. you seem to be looking for a binary answer where they simply don't exist.

Im not a historian but I have a hard time thinking that blacks didn’t support Lincoln, the republican that freed them from slavery. And in the following years you think they just jumped on the democrats wagon, despite it was southern democrats that were instituting Jim Crow laws? I really don’t think Trump is versed on this history either, I’d bet it was just an off the cuff comment telling blacks they shouldn’t vote for Dems, but if you want to dive into the history of the black vote, I’d be interested to learn more. I did a little research earlier today and it takes some digging

Can we get over this spin over the lower unemployment rate for blacks.

Unemployment has been dropping for years for everyone . It’s a rising tide situation, that effects all ships .

Anything good trump does for minorities is merely a side effect of his true intentions.

can we stop dogging trump for everything and stop pretending he won't do anything good for anyone?