Bolton says secondary sanction on Europe possible

[toomuchtime_]

Again, put sanctions on any country that helps Iran. The obozo deal never put an end to iran’s Nuclear aspirations, in fact because of the sunset clause, it paved the way for Iran to get nukes. The only reason why our so called European allies signed off was they’re not the ones in immediate harms way and they wanted oil.

OK so we put sanctions on all those countries. Then what do you say when they pull all their businesses and jobs out of this one? And exactly what other country is going to follow these sanctions?

Again, put sanctions on any country that helps Iran. The obozo deal never put an end to iran’s Nuclear aspirations, in fact because of the sunset clause, it paved the way for Iran to get nukes. The only reason why our so called European allies signed off was they’re not the ones in immediate harms way and they wanted oil.

OK so we put sanctions on all those countries. Then what do you say when they pull all their businesses and jobs out of this one? And exactly what other country is going to follow these sanctions?

We’re the number one consumer in the world. Our sanctions carry weight. If we threaten to sanction any company that does Buisness with Iran, then that will isolate Iran

No it will not. These companies have locations in the US. They can close shop and take jobs away. They can decide to do more business in China, they do not have to listen to crazy coming from of so called US leadership.

US companies that violate the sanctions will face heavy fines. The same is true of US subsidiaries of foreign companies. US offices of foreign companies that violate sanctions will be closed. If you violate US sanctions, you simply will not be able to do business in America.

And they'll march their jobs right on outta here. You don't get it, we aren't the only country on earth.

No, they won't. These are not crazy anti Americans, these are business people who will do whatever is most profitable. They'll stop violating US sanctions.

 

[rightwinger]

Iran doesn’t have nukes

The other countries will not comply with our sanctions because they are honoring their agreement

What does the US do if the Trump sanctions are not honored by other countries

Again, put sanctions on any country that helps Iran. The obozo deal never put an end to iran’s Nuclear aspirations, in fact because of the sunset clause, it paved the way for Iran to get nukes. The only reason why our so called European allies signed off was they’re not the ones in immediate harms way and they wanted oil.

OK so we put sanctions on all those countries. Then what do you say when they pull all their businesses and jobs out of this one? And exactly what other country is going to follow these sanctions?

Iran doesn’t have nukes

The other countries will not comply with our sanctions because they are honoring their agreement

What does the US do if the Trump sanctions are not honored by other countries

Again, put sanctions on any country that helps Iran. The obozo deal never put an end to iran’s Nuclear aspirations, in fact because of the sunset clause, it paved the way for Iran to get nukes. The only reason why our so called European allies signed off was they’re not the ones in immediate harms way and they wanted oil.

OK so we put sanctions on all those countries. Then what do you say when they pull all their businesses and jobs out of this one? And exactly what other country is going to follow these sanctions?

We’re the number one consumer in the world. Our sanctions carry weight. If we threaten to sanction any company that does Buisness with Iran, then that will isolate Iran

No it will not. These companies have locations in the US. They can close shop and take jobs away. They can decide to do more business in China, they do not have to listen to crazy coming from of so called US leadership.

US companies that violate the sanctions will face heavy fines. The same is true of US subsidiaries of foreign companies. US offices of foreign companies that violate sanctions will be closed. If you violate US sanctions, you simply will not be able to do business in America.

I doubt if we can enforce that broad a sanction

What if the US punishes them and Russia, China, Germany, France, UK and EU rewards them with more business

The US economy is not alone

 

[toomuchtime_]

Again, put sanctions on any country that helps Iran. The obozo deal never put an end to iran’s Nuclear aspirations, in fact because of the sunset clause, it paved the way for Iran to get nukes. The only reason why our so called European allies signed off was they’re not the ones in immediate harms way and they wanted oil.

OK so we put sanctions on all those countries. Then what do you say when they pull all their businesses and jobs out of this one? And exactly what other country is going to follow these sanctions?

Again, put sanctions on any country that helps Iran. The obozo deal never put an end to iran’s Nuclear aspirations, in fact because of the sunset clause, it paved the way for Iran to get nukes. The only reason why our so called European allies signed off was they’re not the ones in immediate harms way and they wanted oil.

OK so we put sanctions on all those countries. Then what do you say when they pull all their businesses and jobs out of this one? And exactly what other country is going to follow these sanctions?

We’re the number one consumer in the world. Our sanctions carry weight. If we threaten to sanction any company that does Buisness with Iran, then that will isolate Iran

No it will not. These companies have locations in the US. They can close shop and take jobs away. They can decide to do more business in China, they do not have to listen to crazy coming from of so called US leadership.

US companies that violate the sanctions will face heavy fines. The same is true of US subsidiaries of foreign companies. US offices of foreign companies that violate sanctions will be closed. If you violate US sanctions, you simply will not be able to do business in America.

I doubt if we can enforce that broad a sanction

What if the US punishes them and Russia, China, Germany, France, UK and EU rewards them with more business

The US economy is not alone

I assume a country, France for example, tries to get the best value for taxpayer euros it spends, so you are suggesting France would be willing to switch to a second of third choice and get less value for the Euros it spends just to spite the US?

 

[IM2]

What grounds go we have to force our allies to impose new sanctions on Iran?

Because Trump says so?

This is a test of Trumps leadership. Let’s see how it works out

You're dreaming again, You've got to work harder to try to tell the difference between fantasy and real life. Nobody is trying to tell our "allies" to impose sanctions.

If the US imposes sanctions and nobody else does
What does that accomplish?

It destroys the Iranian economy. Germany is saying at this point that it will stay in JCPOA, meaning it will not impose sanctions, but any German company that violates US sanctions will lose access to US markets, which will cost them more than they will ear from doing business with Iran, so these companies will respect US sanctions even if their governments do not.

Iran makes its money off of oil

If the US sanctions their oil and everyone else buys it....how are they hurt?

What are they going to buy it with. Banks that handle international transactions will lose access to the US market, so unless these buyers are traveling to Iran with suitcases of money, they won't be able to buy Iranian oil. During the last sanctions regime, countries bartered goods for oil with Iran, but the process is so cumbersome Iran's oil sales fell precipitously and Iran was forced to sell its oil at deep discounts under market price. It's economy was about to crumble before Obama rode in and saved the regime.

How do you figure? US sanctions will not work if the US is the only country sanctioning. And then there needs to be a reason for sanctions. Obama did not save anything.

 

[IM2]

Riight...secondary sanctions against them is in no way a threat. It is s....Get Well Soon card....yeah...."We love you....now bend over."

There are no secondary sanctions against other nations, just against companies that violate our sanctions no matter where they are located. The point Bolton is making is that he doesn't believe many companies will violate US sanctions no matter what their governments think or do.

Bolton is wrong.

Unlikely, companies that violate US sanctions will lose access to the US market and that will cost them more money than they will earn doing business with Iran, so no more than a few companies will violate US sanctions.

So they lose the US market and gain the Chinese one. Then what do you do? You on the right don't seem to understand the concept that the US is not all powerful.

lol They have the Chinese and US markets right now. They will gain the paltry Iranian market but lose the US market and that will cause them to have a lower bottom line - what will their shareholders say?

You fool yourself if you think these sanctions are a good idea.

 

[BluesLegend]

any country that helps the Iranians should pay the price. We won’t allow Iran to get nukes. This isn’t a negotiation

Iran doesn’t have nukes

The other countries will not comply with our sanctions because they are honoring their agreement

What does the US do if the Trump sanctions are not honored by other countries

Again, put sanctions on any country that helps Iran. The obozo deal never put an end to iran’s Nuclear aspirations, in fact because of the sunset clause, it paved the way for Iran to get nukes. The only reason why our so called European allies signed off was they’re not the ones in immediate harms way and they wanted oil.

OK so we put sanctions on all those countries. Then what do you say when they pull all their businesses and jobs out of this one? And exactly what other country is going to follow these sanctions?

any country that helps the Iranians should pay the price. We won’t allow Iran to get nukes. This isn’t a negotiation

Iran doesn’t have nukes

The other countries will not comply with our sanctions because they are honoring their agreement

What does the US do if the Trump sanctions are not honored by other countries

Again, put sanctions on any country that helps Iran. The obozo deal never put an end to iran’s Nuclear aspirations, in fact because of the sunset clause, it paved the way for Iran to get nukes. The only reason why our so called European allies signed off was they’re not the ones in immediate harms way and they wanted oil.

OK so we put sanctions on all those countries. Then what do you say when they pull all their businesses and jobs out of this one? And exactly what other country is going to follow these sanctions?

We’re the number one consumer in the world. Our sanctions carry weight. If we threaten to sanction any company that does Buisness with Iran, then that will isolate Iran

No it will not. These companies have locations in the US. They can close shop and take jobs away. They can decide to do more business in China, they do not have to listen to crazy coming from of so called US leadership.

The European Union is already threatening retaliation for the sanctions Dem's demanded be slapped on Russia.

 

[toomuchtime_]

You're dreaming again, You've got to work harder to try to tell the difference between fantasy and real life. Nobody is trying to tell our "allies" to impose sanctions.

If the US imposes sanctions and nobody else does
What does that accomplish?

It destroys the Iranian economy. Germany is saying at this point that it will stay in JCPOA, meaning it will not impose sanctions, but any German company that violates US sanctions will lose access to US markets, which will cost them more than they will ear from doing business with Iran, so these companies will respect US sanctions even if their governments do not.

Iran makes its money off of oil

If the US sanctions their oil and everyone else buys it....how are they hurt?

What are they going to buy it with. Banks that handle international transactions will lose access to the US market, so unless these buyers are traveling to Iran with suitcases of money, they won't be able to buy Iranian oil. During the last sanctions regime, countries bartered goods for oil with Iran, but the process is so cumbersome Iran's oil sales fell precipitously and Iran was forced to sell its oil at deep discounts under market price. It's economy was about to crumble before Obama rode in and saved the regime.

How do you figure? US sanctions will not work if the US is the only country sanctioning. And then there needs to be a reason for sanctions. Obama did not save anything.

US sanctions will make it unprofitable for companies to do business with sectors of the Iranian economy and that will drive the Iranian economy to ruin. The reason for the sanctions is to force Iran to give up its nuclear weapons program, end its support for terrorism and end its imperialist wars. Obama sided with the regime against the people during the protests in 2009 and and saved the regime by resuscitating the failing Iranian economy with JCPOA.

 

[toomuchtime_]

There are no secondary sanctions against other nations, just against companies that violate our sanctions no matter where they are located. The point Bolton is making is that he doesn't believe many companies will violate US sanctions no matter what their governments think or do.

Bolton is wrong.

Unlikely, companies that violate US sanctions will lose access to the US market and that will cost them more money than they will earn doing business with Iran, so no more than a few companies will violate US sanctions.

So they lose the US market and gain the Chinese one. Then what do you do? You on the right don't seem to understand the concept that the US is not all powerful.

lol They have the Chinese and US markets right now. They will gain the paltry Iranian market but lose the US market and that will cause them to have a lower bottom line - what will their shareholders say?

You fool yourself if you think these sanctions are a good idea.

lol You fool yourself if you think they are not.

 

[IM2]

OK so we put sanctions on all those countries. Then what do you say when they pull all their businesses and jobs out of this one? And exactly what other country is going to follow these sanctions?

OK so we put sanctions on all those countries. Then what do you say when they pull all their businesses and jobs out of this one? And exactly what other country is going to follow these sanctions?

We’re the number one consumer in the world. Our sanctions carry weight. If we threaten to sanction any company that does Buisness with Iran, then that will isolate Iran

No it will not. These companies have locations in the US. They can close shop and take jobs away. They can decide to do more business in China, they do not have to listen to crazy coming from of so called US leadership.

US companies that violate the sanctions will face heavy fines. The same is true of US subsidiaries of foreign companies. US offices of foreign companies that violate sanctions will be closed. If you violate US sanctions, you simply will not be able to do business in America.

And they'll march their jobs right on outta here. You don't get it, we aren't the only country on earth.

No, they won't. These are not crazy anti Americans, these are business people who will do whatever is most profitable. They'll stop violating US sanctions.

Not everybody is a right wing loon. Some people need to see a reason for sanctions. At this point Iran has been following the rules. People are not just going to agree to US sanctions just because Dumb ass Donald wants to erase anything Obama has done. Those companies may very well move jobs outta here than to be subject to big fine for unjust sanctions put on them for no reason.

 

[toomuchtime_]

We’re the number one consumer in the world. Our sanctions carry weight. If we threaten to sanction any company that does Buisness with Iran, then that will isolate Iran

No it will not. These companies have locations in the US. They can close shop and take jobs away. They can decide to do more business in China, they do not have to listen to crazy coming from of so called US leadership.

US companies that violate the sanctions will face heavy fines. The same is true of US subsidiaries of foreign companies. US offices of foreign companies that violate sanctions will be closed. If you violate US sanctions, you simply will not be able to do business in America.

And they'll march their jobs right on outta here. You don't get it, we aren't the only country on earth.

No, they won't. These are not crazy anti Americans, these are business people who will do whatever is most profitable. They'll stop violating US sanctions.

Not everybody is a right wing loon. Some people need to see a reason for sanctions. At this point Iran has been following the rules. People are not just going to agree to US sanctions just because Dumb ass Donald wants to erase anything Obama has done. Those companies may very well move jobs outta here than to be subject to big fine for unjust sanctions put on them for no reason.

The companies will do whatever is most profitable for them and that will be to respect US sanctions. I gave you the reasons for the sanctions and instead of responding to them you post some gibberish and Trump and Obama. This is a well though out US policy. It should have been Obama's policy but he was he a weakling and an incompetent who was so eager to add some glory to his name that he signed a bad deal rather than walking away and forcing Iran into a good deal.

 

[IM2]

If the US imposes sanctions and nobody else does
What does that accomplish?

It destroys the Iranian economy. Germany is saying at this point that it will stay in JCPOA, meaning it will not impose sanctions, but any German company that violates US sanctions will lose access to US markets, which will cost them more than they will ear from doing business with Iran, so these companies will respect US sanctions even if their governments do not.

Iran makes its money off of oil

If the US sanctions their oil and everyone else buys it....how are they hurt?

What are they going to buy it with. Banks that handle international transactions will lose access to the US market, so unless these buyers are traveling to Iran with suitcases of money, they won't be able to buy Iranian oil. During the last sanctions regime, countries bartered goods for oil with Iran, but the process is so cumbersome Iran's oil sales fell precipitously and Iran was forced to sell its oil at deep discounts under market price. It's economy was about to crumble before Obama rode in and saved the regime.

How do you figure? US sanctions will not work if the US is the only country sanctioning. And then there needs to be a reason for sanctions. Obama did not save anything.

US sanctions will make it unprofitable for companies to do business with sectors of the Iranian economy and that will drive the Iranian economy to ruin. The reason for the sanctions is to force Iran to give up its nuclear weapons program, end its support for terrorism and end its imperialist wars. Obama sided with the regime against the people during the protests in 2009 and and saved the regime by resuscitating the failing Iranian economy with JCPOA.

Things are not going to work the way you say. You keep lying about Obama, and what Trump has done just isolates us. The other 5 countries that signed the agreement still support it. The US threatening to sanction any company from one of those countries is going to hurt us. You are stupid to think that if the US decides to threatn a German company with sanctions the German government is not going to support them.

 

[IM2]

No it will not. These companies have locations in the US. They can close shop and take jobs away. They can decide to do more business in China, they do not have to listen to crazy coming from of so called US leadership.

US companies that violate the sanctions will face heavy fines. The same is true of US subsidiaries of foreign companies. US offices of foreign companies that violate sanctions will be closed. If you violate US sanctions, you simply will not be able to do business in America.

And they'll march their jobs right on outta here. You don't get it, we aren't the only country on earth.

No, they won't. These are not crazy anti Americans, these are business people who will do whatever is most profitable. They'll stop violating US sanctions.

Not everybody is a right wing loon. Some people need to see a reason for sanctions. At this point Iran has been following the rules. People are not just going to agree to US sanctions just because Dumb ass Donald wants to erase anything Obama has done. Those companies may very well move jobs outta here than to be subject to big fine for unjust sanctions put on them for no reason.

The companies will do whatever is most profitable for them and that will be to respect US sanctions. I gave you the reasons for the sanctions and instead of responding to them you post some gibberish and Trump and Obama. This is a well though out US policy. It should have been Obama's policy but he was he a weakling and an incompetent who was so eager to add some glory to his name that he signed a bad deal rather than walking away and forcing Iran into a good deal.

You posted a bunch of gibberish. I stated a proven fact. Iran has been following the provisions of the agreement. There is no reason for sanctions, there was no reason to pull out of this agreement. 6 nations agreed to this. 5 nations at still satisfied with the way Iran is conducting themselves and following the terms of the agreement. Donald Trump who doesn't read, will not read his daily briefs, who I doubt has read this agreement misled you as to what's going on ad you blindly follow him into oblivion. I'm not the one. This is not well thought out, it's stupidity and there is going to be no new deal as long as the 5 other nations agree with this one and are satisfied with Iran's cooperation.

 

[IM2]

Bolton is wrong.

Unlikely, companies that violate US sanctions will lose access to the US market and that will cost them more money than they will earn doing business with Iran, so no more than a few companies will violate US sanctions.

So they lose the US market and gain the Chinese one. Then what do you do? You on the right don't seem to understand the concept that the US is not all powerful.

lol They have the Chinese and US markets right now. They will gain the paltry Iranian market but lose the US market and that will cause them to have a lower bottom line - what will their shareholders say?

You fool yourself if you think these sanctions are a good idea.

lol You fool yourself if you think they are not.

In this case I'm not.

 

[JimH52]

What grounds go we have to force our allies to impose new sanctions on Iran?

Because Trump says so?

This is a test of Trumps leadership. Let’s see how it works out

You're dreaming again, You've got to work harder to try to tell the difference between fantasy and real life. Nobody is trying to tell our "allies" to impose sanctions.

Riight...secondary sanctions against them is in no way a threat. It is s....Get Well Soon card....yeah...."We love you....now bend over."

There are no secondary sanctions against other nations, just against companies that violate our sanctions no matter where they are located. The point Bolton is making is that he doesn't believe many companies will violate US sanctions no matter what their governments think or do.

Bolton is wrong.

I really don't think trump has anything resembling a plan. He is compulsive and is making it up as he goes along. Occasionally he gets lucky. Many times.he fails dramatically....then blames someone else.

 

[JimH52]

What grounds go we have to force our allies to impose new sanctions on Iran?

Because Trump says so?

This is a test of Trumps leadership. Let’s see how it works out

You're dreaming again, You've got to work harder to try to tell the difference between fantasy and real life. Nobody is trying to tell our "allies" to impose sanctions.

Riight...secondary sanctions against them is in no way a threat. It is s....Get Well Soon card....yeah...."We love you....now bend over."

There are no secondary sanctions against other nations, just against companies that violate our sanctions no matter where they are located. The point Bolton is making is that he doesn't believe many companies will violate US sanctions no matter what their governments think or do.

Bolton is wrong.

Unlikely, companies that violate US sanctions will lose access to the US market and that will cost them more money than they will earn doing business with Iran, so no more than a few companies will violate US sanctions.

So....like Putin envisioned....it is the US against the EU and Britian

This is going according to the script from Moscow.

 

[JimH52]

What grounds go we have to force our allies to impose new sanctions on Iran?

Because Trump says so?

This is a test of Trumps leadership. Let’s see how it works out

You're dreaming again, You've got to work harder to try to tell the difference between fantasy and real life. Nobody is trying to tell our "allies" to impose sanctions.

If the US imposes sanctions and nobody else does
What does that accomplish?

It destroys the Iranian economy. Germany is saying at this point that it will stay in JCPOA, meaning it will not impose sanctions, but any German company that violates US sanctions will lose access to US markets, which will cost them more than they will ear from doing business with Iran, so these companies will respect US sanctions even if their governments do not.

So Iran abides by the terms of the agreement....as stated by Mattis...and we still sanction them....cause a Man who claims he is really smart and has not read the agreement....says so.

What a dunce....

 

[IM2]

And that's the reason why these sanctions won't work. We are just going to sancton companies for doing business with Iran because Donald Trump says they are breaking a deal and the only proof he has is a PowerPoint from Netanyahu. The other 5 nations that made the agreement have seen what Iran is doing alnd they say Iran is complying. How are these idiots going to levy sanctions on these companies for doing business with a nation that is not breaking an agreement?

 

[rightwinger]

OK so we put sanctions on all those countries. Then what do you say when they pull all their businesses and jobs out of this one? And exactly what other country is going to follow these sanctions?

OK so we put sanctions on all those countries. Then what do you say when they pull all their businesses and jobs out of this one? And exactly what other country is going to follow these sanctions?

We’re the number one consumer in the world. Our sanctions carry weight. If we threaten to sanction any company that does Buisness with Iran, then that will isolate Iran

No it will not. These companies have locations in the US. They can close shop and take jobs away. They can decide to do more business in China, they do not have to listen to crazy coming from of so called US leadership.

US companies that violate the sanctions will face heavy fines. The same is true of US subsidiaries of foreign companies. US offices of foreign companies that violate sanctions will be closed. If you violate US sanctions, you simply will not be able to do business in America.

I doubt if we can enforce that broad a sanction

What if the US punishes them and Russia, China, Germany, France, UK and EU rewards them with more business

The US economy is not alone

I assume a country, France for example, tries to get the best value for taxpayer euros it spends, so you are suggesting France would be willing to switch to a second of third choice and get less value for the Euros it spends just to spite the US?

More likely, France will say Fuck Trump and buy from whom they like

 

[rightwinger]

What grounds go we have to force our allies to impose new sanctions on Iran?

Because Trump says so?

This is a test of Trumps leadership. Let’s see how it works out

You're dreaming again, You've got to work harder to try to tell the difference between fantasy and real life. Nobody is trying to tell our "allies" to impose sanctions.

If the US imposes sanctions and nobody else does
What does that accomplish?

It destroys the Iranian economy. Germany is saying at this point that it will stay in JCPOA, meaning it will not impose sanctions, but any German company that violates US sanctions will lose access to US markets, which will cost them more than they will ear from doing business with Iran, so these companies will respect US sanctions even if their governments do not.

So Iran abides by the terms of the agreement....as stated by Mattis...and we still sanction them....cause a Man who claims he is really smart and has not read the agreement....says so.

What a dunce....

If it has Obama’s name on it

It must be bad

 

[IM2]

We’re the number one consumer in the world. Our sanctions carry weight. If we threaten to sanction any company that does Buisness with Iran, then that will isolate Iran

No it will not. These companies have locations in the US. They can close shop and take jobs away. They can decide to do more business in China, they do not have to listen to crazy coming from of so called US leadership.

US companies that violate the sanctions will face heavy fines. The same is true of US subsidiaries of foreign companies. US offices of foreign companies that violate sanctions will be closed. If you violate US sanctions, you simply will not be able to do business in America.

I doubt if we can enforce that broad a sanction

What if the US punishes them and Russia, China, Germany, France, UK and EU rewards them with more business

The US economy is not alone

I assume a country, France for example, tries to get the best value for taxpayer euros it spends, so you are suggesting France would be willing to switch to a second of third choice and get less value for the Euros it spends just to spite the US?

More likely, France will say Fuck Trump and buy from whom they like

That's going to be the general consensus.