Boston bomber refusing to talk after reading of Miranda rights-Thanks liberals

[jon_berzerk]

Miranda warning then silence from bombing suspect - Road Runner

he already told the investigators

that he and his brother acted alone

---LOL

And you think that's all we need to know?

of course not

but that is what the admin wants us to believe

 

[bripat9643]

It's not about a conviction.

It's about getting intelligence. He is a combatant. He shouldn't have miranda rights (the right to remain silent)

He has Miranda rights whether he has them read to them or not. All that happens if they don't read him is rights is that they can't use anything he says as evidence in his trial.

 

[jon_berzerk]

They don't need the pre miranda confession to convict his ass, they have plenty of other evidence. They needed to talk to him to determine if he was part of a cell, or just a lone wolf type.

Once they figured these guys acted alone, the mirandized him, and now anything he says will be used against him at the criminal trial.

homeland security gave him the all clear

after he told them they acted alone

its been in the news

--LOL

"The all clear?" What the fuck is that? "Clear" of what?

yes of course

again that is what homeland security had to say about that

 

[bripat9643]

Miranda warning then silence from bombing suspect - Road Runner

So it's okay to break the law as long it's against people you don't like?

By the way..anything he's says before he's informed of his rights, can't be used in a court of law.

Wrong. Only things he's said after he's been arrested can't be used against him.

 

[jon_berzerk]

It's not about a conviction.

It's about getting intelligence. He is a combatant. He shouldn't have miranda rights (the right to remain silent)

He has Miranda rights whether he has them read to them or not. All that happens if they don't read him is rights is that they can't use anything he says as evidence in his trial.

"they" do not need anything he would say to convict this guy

 

[nitroz]

Miranda warning then silence from bombing suspect - Road Runner

The FBI and the US Constitution are now evil liberals?

They are products and orginazations by the communist barrack HUSSIEN obama and the democratic party.

I don't care about anyone's rights besides my own and my lawless gun "rights".

MURICA

 

[bripat9643]

It's not about a conviction.

It's about getting intelligence. He is a combatant. He shouldn't have miranda rights (the right to remain silent)

He has Miranda rights whether he has them read to them or not. All that happens if they don't read him is rights is that they can't use anything he says as evidence in his trial.

"they" do not need anything he would say to convict this guy

Exactly, so why the big rush to read them to him? Now he won't talk and we've screwed our shot at an intelligence bonanza.

 

[jon_berzerk]

He has Miranda rights whether he has them read to them or not. All that happens if they don't read him is rights is that they can't use anything he says as evidence in his trial.

"they" do not need anything he would say to convict this guy

Exactly, so why the big rush to read them to him? Now he won't talk and we've screwed our shot at an intelligence bonanza.

there should not have been a rush

but currently we live in a mixed up obama world

we have been screwed out of intelligence gathering for the past four+ years now

why would this be any different

why would you expect any different from this administration

 

[JakeStarkey]

He is a citizen, just like you and me, bripat. Get over it.

 

[freedombecki]

He was a US citizen. So cons are in favor of Eliminating certain segments of the Bill of Rights but the second amendment is off limits?

His citizenship was obtained under false pretenses.

He came here not to be a citizen, but to mass murder American citizens with a devastating bomb. Early examinations said the bombs didn't ignite properly and killed fewer people than planned.

He was 8 years old when he came to the US. Chance are he didn't even make that decision.

Chances are very strong his mother made that decision for him. Crime families perpetuate and multiply if they're not halted.

 

[MondoBongo]

Miranda warning then silence from bombing suspect - Road Runner

You righties are all about the constitution until it's just a tad bit inconvenient for you.

 

[Mertex]

I am not sure what he was told but it didn't matter if he were mirandized or not. All it meant was that he could be questioned without a lawyer and what he said could be used in court. Just because a person is mirandized does not mean they are forced to talk.

If they're not mirandized you can use interrofation techniques to try and make them talk.

You mean like "torture"?

 

[Mertex]

He has Miranda rights whether he has them read to them or not. All that happens if they don't read him is rights is that they can't use anything he says as evidence in his trial.

"they" do not need anything he would say to convict this guy

Exactly, so why the big rush to read them to him? Now he won't talk and we've screwed our shot at an intelligence bonanza.

You really think this idiot would be able to provide some "highly sought after intelligence bonanza"?

One of the two who weren't smart enough to keep the hostage guarded during their "escape" and who told the hostage they had done the bombing? Oh yeah, I'm sure we've robbed ourselves of some valuable intelligence.

You really are delusional.

 

[MondoBongo]

I am not sure what he was told but it didn't matter if he were mirandized or not. All it meant was that he could be questioned without a lawyer and what he said could be used in court. Just because a person is mirandized does not mean they are forced to talk.

If they're not mirandized you can use interrofation techniques to try and make them talk.

Only if you want to ignore the constitutional amendment about "cruel and unusual punishment" - "miranda" doesn't bypass the constitution, it clarifies it.

 

[nitroz]

Miranda warning then silence from bombing suspect - Road Runner

You righties are all about the constitution until it's just a tad bit inconvenient for you.

Kinda like how they bitched about the free market when GE stopped gun loans/financing last week. lawl.

 

[MondoBongo]

Miranda warning then silence from bombing suspect - Road Runner

You righties are all about the constitution until it's just a tad bit inconvenient for you.

Kinda like how they bitched about the free market when GE stopped gun loans/financing last week. lawl.

delete - wine is working fine. thank you for asking.

 

[JakeStarkey]

GE has every legal and ethical right to not finance weapons sales.

Get over it.

 

[Flopper]

It's not about a conviction.

It's about getting intelligence. He is a combatant. He shouldn't have miranda rights (the right to remain silent)

He has Miranda rights whether he has them read to them or not. All that happens if they don't read him is rights is that they can't use anything he says as evidence in his trial.

"they" do not need anything he would say to convict this guy

I don't know the law that well, but it seems to me if no Miranda Warning were given and the interrogators slipped into questions not related to public safety, it could cause problems for the prosecution. Also if there is no Miranda Warning, and the accused gives incrimination information which of course isn't admissible, and then the defense claims that law enforcement used that inadmissible information in their investigation, I think this also might cause a problem.

 

[zzzz]

It's not about a conviction.

It's about getting intelligence. He is a combatant. He shouldn't have miranda rights (the right to remain silent)

The Miranda Warning has nothing to do with his right to remain silent. Miranda simple warns the accused that what they say can be used against them in court. With or without the warning the accused has the right to remain silent.

Integrators were allowed to interrogate without the Miranda Warning to gain information about public safety. There was never a plan not to give him the Miranda Warning just delay it. The public safety exception would be meaningless if interrogations are given an open-ended time horizon.

There is plenty of evidence to convict. Refusing to give the Miranda Warning would give the defense cause for objection because of the limitation of the exception. Why take chances on a conviction when Feds had plenty of time to interrogate the prisoner about public safety issues?

The need to mirandize the suspect is to allow any statements made by the suspect to be admissible in court. All this stuff about the need for public safety is all good but anything he said before being mirandized is not admissible in court. Once he was mirandized anything he says can be used against him in court, not that the government needs any statements from him. The evidence against him, without any statements, seems to be enough to convict him and to give him the death penalty.

 

[Flopper]

It's not about a conviction.

It's about getting intelligence. He is a combatant. He shouldn't have miranda rights (the right to remain silent)

The Miranda Warning has nothing to do with his right to remain silent. Miranda simple warns the accused that what they say can be used against them in court. With or without the warning the accused has the right to remain silent.

Integrators were allowed to interrogate without the Miranda Warning to gain information about public safety. There was never a plan not to give him the Miranda Warning just delay it. The public safety exception would be meaningless if interrogations are given an open-ended time horizon.

There is plenty of evidence to convict. Refusing to give the Miranda Warning would give the defense cause for objection because of the limitation of the exception. Why take chances on a conviction when Feds had plenty of time to interrogate the prisoner about public safety issues?

The need to mirandize the suspect is to allow any statements made by the suspect to be admissible in court. All this stuff about the need for public safety is all good but anything he said before being mirandized is not admissible in court. Once he was mirandized anything he says can be used against him in court, not that the government needs any statements from him. The evidence against him, without any statements, seems to be enough to convict him and to give him the death penalty.

But suppose, before the Miranda Warning, he tells interrogators where bomb making material is stored. The police had already planned to search the location. The police search, find the bomb making material but in the course of the search they stumble on other incriminating evidence. The prosecution introduces it in court and the defense objects claiming the police used the information from the accused which was not admissible to find the incriminating evidence.