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I sure hope he survives this dispute with Big Brother. We all saw what happened to those women and children at Waco. Big Brother doesn't like to lose. God help him.
A long-simmering dispute between a Nevada cattle rancher and the federal Bureau of Land Management has reached a boiling point, and participants have their fingers crossed it wont erupt into violence.
Since 1993, Cliven Bundy has been battling the agency, as well as the National Park Service, the Center for Biological Diversity and the courts, to graze his cattle on 150 square miles of Gold Butte scrub land in the Lake Mead National Recreation Area. He stopped paying his grazing fees back then, saying he fired the Bureau of Land Management as land manager. His Mormon ancestors had tilled the unforgiving soil since 1887, long before the 1934 Taylor Grazing Act allowed the federal government to seize control.
I have raised cattle on that land, which is public land for the people of Clark County, all my life. Why I raise cattle there and why I can raise cattle there is because I have preemptive rights, he asserted, that this includes the right to forage, too.
Furthermore, Bundy has argued that it is the United States trespassing on Clark County, Nev., land, not he, and that he is a better steward of the land. He points out that the manure from his cows fertilizes the soil, that hes built water sources for wildlife, and that his cattle prevent the vegetation from growing overly dense and creating a fire hazard.
But environmentalists, federal officials and the courts disagree. Armed federal officials and contract cowboys have been brought in to execute a 2013 court order and remove the trespassing cattle.
Its high time for the BLM to do its job and give the [endangered desert] tortoises and the Gold Butte area the protection they need and are legally entitled to, senior Center for Biological Diversity scientist Rob Mrowka told the Mesquite Local News. As the tortoises emerge from their winter sleep, they are finding their much-needed food consumed by cattle.
Bundys herd also hinders the plants ability to recover from wildfires, tramples rare species, damages ancient American Indian cultural sites and endangers recreationists, Mrowka added.
The Bureau of Land Management has overstepped its boundaries by not letting me access my rights, he said, and contended that it had inserted 200 armed officers watching our every move and stealing our cattle. Bundys wife, Carol, said snipers are patrolling the familys ranch.
Spokeswoman Cannon responded that There are law enforcement and other personnel in place as needed to ensure that the BLM and National Park Services employees and contractors are able to conduct operations safely.
Bundy has vowed to do whatever it takes to protect his property, and his 14 children and hundreds of supporters stand behind him. Dave Bundy, his son, was arrested on Sunday afternoon while attempting to film the contract cowboys at work, and cited for failing to disperse and resisting arrest...
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Bundy and the right seem to be in a contest to see which one can outkook the other. Bundy acknowledges that the land is, and was, PUBLIC land. That means it was not, and IS not, his private property.
So, could someone PLEASE tell me why this idiot thinks he has any standing to "fire" the BLM? And what the hell are preemptive rights supposed to be?
It sounds like the guy needs a psych evaluation. Naturally, his lunacy makes him the perfect new hero of the right.
Eminent Domain doesn't apply to this particular case, but it does resemble it. Look into Eminent Domain a bit more. If Big Brother says it's his, it's his. Very little recourse for the little people.
I can appreciate it when people admit when they are wrong.
You got that link showing where i claimed Eminent Domain applied to this particular case? If not, i can appreciate it when people admit when they are wrong. Thanks.
Nodog-Eminent domain? LOL - REALLY - how is that a factor in this case AT ALL? It isn't.
paulitician - It's a factor, and it's very disturbing.
Yes we know, it's for America and the children. Can't have those evil Cattle Grazer Terrorists running around free to wreak havoc on innocent men, women, and children. We must preserve our American way of life.
There is no terrorist. Rhetorical hyperboles is really all you got isn't it?
The travesty here is that he's been allowed to break the rule of law for 20 some odd years with little or no consequence.
Thin that herd. Get them to the market. Beef, it's what's for dinner.
Big Brother is the criminal thief in this. And it's so sad so many Americans feel compelled to shill. This man is a good man, he's not a criminal. Especially when compared to the all-too numerous criminals in our Government. Let the man graze his cattle. Big Brother can go to hell.
Let's see how you feel if the Feds move in and declare your backyard "protected wetlands" because of a rain puddle, and order you to tear down your house.
I would, obviously, not be happy about it. But I would certainy not try to claim that, since I have lived in the house longer than the EPA has been around, I don't have to listen to them.
And that is a bit different than what is happening in Nevada. The rancher does not own the land. It is public land. He stopped paying the grazing fees 21 years ago, and was ordered by a federal judge to remove his cattle from the public lands 16 years ago.
It's not at all different. The land has been ranched by the family for decades. The eco-terrorist regulations being used to drive the rancher out of business were made "after the fact". It's a disgraceful abuse of government power.
While law enforcement agencies will negotiate with hostage takers, which is exactly what Koresh was doing with the kids, they also put a SWAT team on the roof to take them out, should they come to the conclusion that the hostages are in danger of being killed or injured by the hostage takers.
Koresh knew that, and he made no effort whatsoever to protect those kids. He was using them as a shield.
I can appreciate it when people admit when they are wrong.
You got that link showing where i claimed Eminent Domain applied to this particular case? If not, i can appreciate it when people admit when they are wrong. Thanks.
Why yes, I happen to have that link.
Nodog-Eminent domain? LOL - REALLY - how is that a factor in this case AT ALL? It isn't.paulitician - It's a factor, and it's very disturbing.
Now you were saying about being wrong .........
So what?While law enforcement agencies will negotiate with hostage takers, which is exactly what Koresh was doing with the kids, they also put a SWAT team on the roof to take them out, should they come to the conclusion that the hostages are in danger of being killed or injured by the hostage takers.
Koresh knew that, and he made no effort whatsoever to protect those kids. He was using them as a shield.
B'loney. The rancher's family had used that land without paying fees for decades. The Feds are trying to harass him out of business. It's also eco-terrorism. The Fed's have declared the grazing area a protective habitat for a tortoise.
1. The rancher's family had been allowed to graze for free on federal land until the Taylor land use act was passed, creating the BLM.
2. No one is "harassing him out of business". He's been actively and admittedly breaking the law for more than 20 years.
3. That area has NOT been declared a "protective habitat" for the tortoise. It's still BLM land, and all of the ranchers that followed the law are still grazing there.
The family started ranching the area in the 1870s. The feds moved in and interfered with their property rights. You can use whatever apparatchik excuse you'd like, but it doesn't change the fact that it's an abuse of government power and an infringement on states' rights.
Why should the Federal government control so much land? There is no national security interest in this.
You got that link showing where i claimed Eminent Domain applied to this particular case? If not, i can appreciate it when people admit when they are wrong. Thanks.
Why yes, I happen to have that link.
paulitician - It's a factor, and it's very disturbing.
Now you were saying about being wrong .........
I did not claim it applied to this particular case. I said Eminent Domain is a factor and is very disturbing. It's nothing to just ignore and dismiss. You misunderstood. So like i said, i can appreciate it when people admit when they are wrong. Thanks.
I would, obviously, not be happy about it. But I would certainy not try to claim that, since I have lived in the house longer than the EPA has been around, I don't have to listen to them.
And that is a bit different than what is happening in Nevada. The rancher does not own the land. It is public land. He stopped paying the grazing fees 21 years ago, and was ordered by a federal judge to remove his cattle from the public lands 16 years ago.
It's not at all different. The land has been ranched by the family for decades. The eco-terrorist regulations being used to drive the rancher out of business were made "after the fact". It's a disgraceful abuse of government power.
Had he paid his grazing fees we wouldnt even be discussing this.
Truthfully I wish I could back the rancher on this but I haven't seen any hard evidence that this anything but him refusing to pay his bills.
If it comes out this is some kind of enviro BS or some good ol boy network scam?
Then hell yes I'm for the rancher.
His ideas about preemptive rights is hilarious. Since he has been there longer than the BLM, he doesn't think he has to follow their laws. lol
Let's see how you feel if the Feds move in and declare your backyard "protected wetlands" because of a rain puddle, and order you to tear down your house.
Oh i'm pretty sure Communist Globalists are all-in on Eminent Domain. If Big Brother says it's his, it's his. End of story. It's so sad so many in this country have become servile Authority-Worshippers.
1. The rancher's family had been allowed to graze for free on federal land until the Taylor land use act was passed, creating the BLM.
2. No one is "harassing him out of business". He's been actively and admittedly breaking the law for more than 20 years.
3. That area has NOT been declared a "protective habitat" for the tortoise. It's still BLM land, and all of the ranchers that followed the law are still grazing there.
The family started ranching the area in the 1870s. The feds moved in and interfered with their property rights. You can use whatever apparatchik excuse you'd like, but it doesn't change the fact that it's an abuse of government power and an infringement on states' rights.
Why should the Federal government control so much land? There is no national security interest in this.
He doesn't own the land. How can he have property rights?
So, as someone stated earlier, when one decides to take up arms against a law enforcement agency, there should be no surprise as to what the outcome will be. I am certain that Koresh orchestrated the whole thing to it's inevitable conclusion.
It's a factor, and it's very disturbing. Do you really own anything? You probably don't even realize that what you think is yours, is actually Big Brother's. If he says it's so, it becomes so.
Bundy has title to the land in question?
Eminent Domain doesn't apply to this particular case, but it does resemble it. Look into Eminent Domain a bit more. If Big Brother says it's his, it's his. Very little recourse for the little people.
And more Americans should become educated on Eminent Domain. Do you really own anything? What's yours, is actually Big Brother's. That's what our Supreme Court ruled a few years back. Most Americans probably don't even realize that.
So what?While law enforcement agencies will negotiate with hostage takers, which is exactly what Koresh was doing with the kids, they also put a SWAT team on the roof to take them out, should they come to the conclusion that the hostages are in danger of being killed or injured by the hostage takers.
Koresh knew that, and he made no effort whatsoever to protect those kids. He was using them as a shield.
So, as someone stated earlier, when one decides to take up arms against a law enforcement agency, there should be no surprise as to what the outcome will be. I am certain that Koresh orchestrated the whole thing to it's inevitable conclusion.
And that is why it is abuse of government power.
The government Changed The Rules via bureaucratic regulatory fiat.
That is not the Rule of Law, it is the Whim of the Bureaucrat, and a hallmark of totalitarianism.
Yes, and now he's a 'Terrorist.' Just like that, he's branded a 'Criminal' only worthy of being crushed by Big Brother. It's what's best for America and the children. Blah Blah Blah. But the saddest part of this travesty, is seeing so many defend and cheer Big Brother on.
