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like I mentioned in an early reply,,,,any of those loony libs will likely claim that Trump built the tower,,,using very cheap labor/partsActually, no cause has been determinrd.
What this is is proof that we actually need our regulations for building safety.
One stairwell, no central alarms, no sprinkler system. Disaster.
This is what Trump & the Republicans want here in America. To allow corporations to decide what safety equipment & design goes into our buildings.
^ This is all President Trump's fault
President Trump wants hundreds, thousands of American's to be cremated in horrific infernos
^ This is all President Trump's fault
President Trump wants hundreds, thousands of American's to be cremated in horrific infernos
This is the Liberal dream to have all private property taken so more Public living spaces can be loaned out by the government. The USSR was notorious with events like this, as no one could have a house and all the citizens of the USSR lived in high rises, with poor quality of housing, poor quality of electrical and poor plumbing. We keep seeing the failure of government every time, by the events of the dept of the interior and BP oil, city of Detroit decayed city pipes(under Liberal mayor) and now the wonderful British government that allowed this shithole of a high rise to be occupied while the residents knew it was a death trap. Liberalism is about good intentions, but always ends in disaster.It's breaking on Drudge Report via the BBC. This is another terrorist attack.
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Back when the driver of the car that ran over people on the bridge, didn't want to jump to conclusions that it was a terrorist attack either. When they got out and started yelling allah ooh Akbar and slicing up people, then the cat was let out of the bag.This is the Liberal dream to have all private property taken so more Public living spaces can be loaned out by the government. The USSR was notorious with events like this, as no one could have a house and all the citizens of the USSR lived in high rises, with poor quality of housing, poor quality of electrical and poor plumbing. We keep seeing the failure of government every time, by the events of the dept of the interior and BP oil, city of Detroit decayed city pipes(under Liberal mayor) and now the wonderful British government that allowed this shithole of a high rise to be occupied while the residents knew it was a death trap. Liberalism is about good intentions, but always ends in disaster.It's breaking on Drudge Report via the BBC. This is another terrorist attack.
DRUDGE REPORT 2017[emoji768]
There is no report on the BBC that this was a terrorist attack. NONE.
There are several reports of complaints by residents that the building was a fire hazzard and have expressed fears for their safety for years, but nothing was done.
and some people are deep deep sleepers,,,,,for all we know,,,they either died in their sleep or woke up screaming
The ugly politics of the Grenfell Tower fire
This is a decent write up of the problems. The residents had been complaining for some time but the tory local authority refused to act.
Mr Corbyn put forward a bill last year to ensure that all rented accomodation was fit for purpose. The tory party voted it down. The majority of tory mps are landlords.
Corbyn tried to pass law to make homes safe last year – the Conservatives rejected it
The tory body count grows.
And can I just add that many of you on this thread with your bullshit terrorist theories are a bunch of *****.
Read the thread you thicko.The ugly politics of the Grenfell Tower fire
This is a decent write up of the problems. The residents had been complaining for some time but the tory local authority refused to act.
Mr Corbyn put forward a bill last year to ensure that all rented accomodation was fit for purpose. The tory party voted it down. The majority of tory mps are landlords.
Corbyn tried to pass law to make homes safe last year – the Conservatives rejected it
The tory body count grows.
And can I just add that many of you on this thread with your bullshit terrorist theories are a bunch of *****.
what bullshit terrorist theories? I have seen NO THEORIES------other than your bullshit theory
that the building was unsafe------got a link?
The ugly politics of the Grenfell Tower fire
This is a decent write up of the problems. The residents had been complaining for some time but the tory local authority refused to act.
Mr Corbyn put forward a bill last year to ensure that all rented accomodation was fit for purpose. The tory party voted it down. The majority of tory mps are landlords.
Corbyn tried to pass law to make homes safe last year – the Conservatives rejected it
The tory body count grows.
And can I just add that many of you on this thread with your bullshit terrorist theories are a bunch of *****.
what bullshit terrorist theories? I have seen NO THEORIES------other than your bullshit theory
that the building was unsafe------got a link?
The ugly politics of the Grenfell Tower fire
This is a decent write up of the problems. The residents had been complaining for some time but the tory local authority refused to act.
Mr Corbyn put forward a bill last year to ensure that all rented accomodation was fit for purpose. The tory party voted it down. The majority of tory mps are landlords.
Corbyn tried to pass law to make homes safe last year – the Conservatives rejected it
The tory body count grows.
And can I just add that many of you on this thread with your bullshit terrorist theories are a bunch of *****.
what bullshit terrorist theories? I have seen NO THEORIES------other than your bullshit theory
that the building was unsafe------got a link?
Because normally the fire extends to the ground but as you can see in Lucy Hamilton photos the fire seemed more concentrated in one place. As for an explosion?why strange? please explain .?When we look at the photos we can see that the way the fire spread is Strange!Yes, it is quite possible San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik have bomb-making materials in their kitchen
Q&A on quiet, devout Tashfeen Malik, wife at center of California terror probe
San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik ‘pledged allegiance to ISIS’ | Daily Mail Online
At this time nobody knows what the starter was, it could be anything from a gas explosion, to possibly an exploding household device, to a flat being a Meth Factory or a flat being a Bomb Making Factory.
I would bet money on what caused the spread of the inferno that engulfed an entire tower of 27 storeys in they say just 15 minutes and that's the exterior cladding that was a mixture of oil-based plastic and foam and it spread from top to bottom inside probably because of these softwood doors and non-fire resistant paint and could have been avoided if it wasn't for things being carried out on the cheap.
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It doesn't have to extend to the ground, unless it starts at the ground level or near the ground level, fire travels upwards not downwards and it depends where it begins.
You can see from the below picture, it appears to have started on the fifth floor, the ground floor and the four floors above are completely untouched, it begins on the fifth floor and travels upwards engulfing the building up to the roof.
Yes, and spray very fast Upward at high speed let's hope we will have the cause of the fire as soon as possible because there are others like this one aroundBecause normally the fire extends to the ground but as you can see in Lucy Hamilton photos the fire seemed more concentrated in one place. As for an explosion?why strange? please explain .?When we look at the photos we can see that the way the fire spread is Strange!Yes, it is quite possible San Bernardino shooter Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik have bomb-making materials in their kitchen
Q&A on quiet, devout Tashfeen Malik, wife at center of California terror probe
San Bernardino shooter Tashfeen Malik ‘pledged allegiance to ISIS’ | Daily Mail Online
At this time nobody knows what the starter was, it could be anything from a gas explosion, to possibly an exploding household device, to a flat being a Meth Factory or a flat being a Bomb Making Factory.
I would bet money on what caused the spread of the inferno that engulfed an entire tower of 27 storeys in they say just 15 minutes and that's the exterior cladding that was a mixture of oil-based plastic and foam and it spread from top to bottom inside probably because of these softwood doors and non-fire resistant paint and could have been avoided if it wasn't for things being carried out on the cheap.
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It doesn't have to extend to the ground, unless it starts at the ground level or near the ground level, fire travels upwards not downwards and it depends where it begins.
You can see from the below picture, it appears to have started on the fifth floor, the ground floor and the four floors above are completely untouched, it begins on the fifth floor and travels upwards engulfing the building up to the roof.
Well I guess that the public enquiry will get to the bottom of it. But essentially these people do not matter to the tories. so austerity has cut budgets and health and safety goes out of the window.The ugly politics of the Grenfell Tower fire
This is a decent write up of the problems. The residents had been complaining for some time but the tory local authority refused to act.
Mr Corbyn put forward a bill last year to ensure that all rented accomodation was fit for purpose. The tory party voted it down. The majority of tory mps are landlords.
Corbyn tried to pass law to make homes safe last year – the Conservatives rejected it
The tory body count grows.
And can I just add that many of you on this thread with your bullshit terrorist theories are a bunch of *****.
what bullshit terrorist theories? I have seen NO THEORIES------other than your bullshit theory
that the building was unsafe------got a link?
The British Left like the Leftists everywhere are now playing politics and in lowest of the low fashion using this horrific tragedy as an attempt to score cheap political points.
Should we on the Right be shocked at this? No.
The Leftists always say that the Right attempt to capitalise on Islamist Terrorist attacks by saying that we on the Right have the philosophy to if not stop at least reduce such Islamist Terrorist attacks in Western nations.
The Leftists being hypocrites now attempt to capitalise on this tragic happening in London with this Grenfell Tower by saying that but but but Jeremy Corbyn could have prevented this.
Because normally the fire extends to the ground but as you can see in Lucy Hamilton photos the fire seemed more concentrated in one place. As for an explosion?why strange? please explain .?When we look at the photos we can see that the way the fire spread is Strange!At this time nobody knows what the starter was, it could be anything from a gas explosion, to possibly an exploding household device, to a flat being a Meth Factory or a flat being a Bomb Making Factory.
I would bet money on what caused the spread of the inferno that engulfed an entire tower of 27 storeys in they say just 15 minutes and that's the exterior cladding that was a mixture of oil-based plastic and foam and it spread from top to bottom inside probably because of these softwood doors and non-fire resistant paint and could have been avoided if it wasn't for things being carried out on the cheap.
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It doesn't have to extend to the ground, unless it starts at the ground level or near the ground level, fire travels upwards not downwards and it depends where it begins.
You can see from the below picture, it appears to have started on the fifth floor, the ground floor and the four floors above are completely untouched, it begins on the fifth floor and travels upwards engulfing the building up to the roof.
You can see from the below picture, it appears to have started on the fifth floor, the ground floor and the four floors above are completely untouched, it begins on the fifth floor and travels
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Merci, This is an explanation but questions arise by looking at the progression of the fire at the beginning the fire is concentrated in the same place of great magnitude and spreads quickly in the upward direction avoiding the apartments on the left and the firemen Are at work at the same place where the fire started. The fire should have spread in the corridors to the left is what seems strange to me we see on the photos. But the instructions were to stay Inside in case of fire so it might be the reason why the fire did not go to the left right away.
P.S: the reply don't work very well.
Well I guess that the public enquiry will get to the bottom of it. But essentially these people do not matter to the tories. so austerity has cut budgets and health and safety goes out of the window.The ugly politics of the Grenfell Tower fire
This is a decent write up of the problems. The residents had been complaining for some time but the tory local authority refused to act.
Mr Corbyn put forward a bill last year to ensure that all rented accomodation was fit for purpose. The tory party voted it down. The majority of tory mps are landlords.
Corbyn tried to pass law to make homes safe last year – the Conservatives rejected it
The tory body count grows.
And can I just add that many of you on this thread with your bullshit terrorist theories are a bunch of *****.
what bullshit terrorist theories? I have seen NO THEORIES------other than your bullshit theory
that the building was unsafe------got a link?
The British Left like the Leftists everywhere are now playing politics and in lowest of the low fashion using this horrific tragedy as an attempt to score cheap political points.
Should we on the Right be shocked at this? No.
The Leftists always say that the Right attempt to capitalise on Islamist Terrorist attacks by saying that we on the Right have the philosophy to if not stop at least reduce such Islamist Terrorist attacks in Western nations.
The Leftists being hypocrites now attempt to capitalise on this tragic happening in London with this Grenfell Tower by saying that but but but Jeremy Corbyn could have prevented this.
Tories closed THREE fire stations near #Grenfell – and resisted sprinkler installation
Closing fire stations and not insisting on sprinklers being installed. This tragedy was not an accident.
Britain is going to change because of this. I would advise folk to buy fire safety shares.
Look Lucy the fire seem to have started below to right and did not go to the left side right awayBecause normally the fire extends to the ground but as you can see in Lucy Hamilton photos the fire seemed more concentrated in one place. As for an explosion?why strange? please explain .?When we look at the photos we can see that the way the fire spread is Strange!
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It doesn't have to extend to the ground, unless it starts at the ground level or near the ground level, fire travels upwards not downwards and it depends where it begins.
You can see from the below picture, it appears to have started on the fifth floor, the ground floor and the four floors above are completely untouched, it begins on the fifth floor and travels upwards engulfing the building up to the roof.
You can see from the below picture, it appears to have started on the fifth floor, the ground floor and the four floors above are completely untouched, it begins on the fifth floor and travels
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Merci, This is an explanation but questions arise by looking at the progression of the fire at the beginning the fire is concentrated in the same place of great magnitude and spreads quickly in the upward direction avoiding the apartments on the left and the firemen Are at work at the same place where the fire started. The fire should have spread in the corridors to the left is what seems strange to me we see on the photos. But the instructions were to stay Inside in case of fire so it might be the reason why the fire did not go to the left right away.
P.S: the reply don't work very well.
Well the corridors on the left that you refer are below floor 5 where the situation seems to have started, so no it wouldn't have spread to those because they are all below, fire travels upwards not downwards.
I don't think the instructions to stay inside would have affected this. The reason they are told to stay inside, I think it was for 10 minutes, this is because it's to avoid a mass rush of hundreds of people all in a panic.
The theory is that if they stay inside their apartments for 10 minutes, this gives time for the emergency services to get there and into the building to assist in some ordered evacuation of the building.
The first emergency crew was at the scene within 6 minutes, but unknown to them half of the building from floor 5 upwards was already near inferno level.
Look Lucy the fire seem to have started below to right and did not go to the left side right awayBecause normally the fire extends to the ground but as you can see in Lucy Hamilton photos the fire seemed more concentrated in one place. As for an explosion?why strange? please explain .?
It doesn't have to extend to the ground, unless it starts at the ground level or near the ground level, fire travels upwards not downwards and it depends where it begins.
You can see from the below picture, it appears to have started on the fifth floor, the ground floor and the four floors above are completely untouched, it begins on the fifth floor and travels upwards engulfing the building up to the roof.
You can see from the below picture, it appears to have started on the fifth floor, the ground floor and the four floors above are completely untouched, it begins on the fifth floor and travels
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Merci, This is an explanation but questions arise by looking at the progression of the fire at the beginning the fire is concentrated in the same place of great magnitude and spreads quickly in the upward direction avoiding the apartments on the left and the firemen Are at work at the same place where the fire started. The fire should have spread in the corridors to the left is what seems strange to me we see on the photos. But the instructions were to stay Inside in case of fire so it might be the reason why the fire did not go to the left right away.
P.S: the reply don't work very well.
Well the corridors on the left that you refer are below floor 5 where the situation seems to have started, so no it wouldn't have spread to those because they are all below, fire travels upwards not downwards.
I don't think the instructions to stay inside would have affected this. The reason they are told to stay inside, I think it was for 10 minutes, this is because it's to avoid a mass rush of hundreds of people all in a panic.
The theory is that if they stay inside their apartments for 10 minutes, this gives time for the emergency services to get there and into the building to assist in some ordered evacuation of the building.
The first emergency crew was at the scene within 6 minutes, but unknown to them half of the building from floor 5 upwards was already near inferno level.
Fire spray for different cause.
Structural Fire Spread
Anyway i don't know what happen exactly i just wanted to bring up what i notice.
